March 2005 - Inkscape Devel - Inkscape Mailman

Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape website with WordPress
by Jonathan Leighton 17 Mar '05

17 Mar '05

John Taber wrote: >My two cents - if the CMS or any other scripting thing does not really buy you >a must have or great to have that you can't do otherwise without a lot of >pain, then it's not worth it down the road. Warren Buffett swears by KISS so >I tend to think it is a good thing to strive for. If the CMS does buy a lot, >and if it's well done, then do it. > Yes, exactly. But there are different interpretations of this rule. I'd say that having an RSS feed is a fairly essential feature. I'd also say that maintaining a news section is a fairly essential feature. Now, the code for that needs to come from somewhere, and either someone on the Inkscape project has to write it, or we have to use publishing software from someone else. I think that by letting the WordPress developers deal with publishing and WordPress, it allows the Inkscape developers to get on with the task at hand: Inkscape. This is a simplistic view ('scuse the repetition), I know, and there are issues to consider, which Bryce explained extremely well, but when it comes down to it, I say let the publishing people deal with the publishing, and the Inkscape people deal with the Inkscaping. Just as an example: the only time you'd have to write (X)HTML with WordPress is when you want "advanced" things like blockquotes, lists, etc. All the paragraphing, validating (to an extent) and entity encoding is done for you, so you don't have to worry about it. The Inkscape website currently fails on validation due to non-validating news entries. Dates are also added automatically, so there's no chance of forgetting that. >I'll format my blogs simply using css (although even css doesn't work very well in IE for >customers stuck with that so maybe I'll just keep my blogs in simple html). > > I know quite a few people who would shoot you for saying that, although I'd rather they shot Microsoft ; ). Jon -- Jonathan Leighton aka. Turnip http://turnipspatch.com/ | http://digital-proof.org/

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multi-line text entry causes exception in cvs
by inkblotter 17 Mar '05

17 Mar '05

$ ./inkscape terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::out_of_range' what(): basic_string::replace Emergency save activated! [snip] public cvs, up-to-date this evening fc3, gcc 3.4.2 Steps to repeat: select the text tool enter some text and then hit CR to enter a multi-line text object *bang!* Happens every time. Aren't exceptions wonderful? I suspect things are changing in text handling at the moment, yes?

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Re: [cairo] Pango + cairo
by unknown＠example.com 17 Mar '05

17 Mar '05

Quoting Keith Packard <keithp@...579...>: > I'll read through the SVG spec and see whether this is always > true; it may be that SVG allows applications to request text > wrapping or embed newlines. Newlines in SVG text are just whitespace; they don't introduce a new line: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/text.html#WhiteSpace However, SVG 1.2 introduces flowing text and graphics, where text flowing/wrapping is performed according to a specified greedy algorithm. http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG12/flow.html Speaking for Inkscape, we're currently in the progress of implementing support for this in Inkscape, and we do use pango for what we can, but I'm fairly certain we ended up having to do line breaking/wrapping ourselves as the required algorithm is very different from what Pango wants to do. (Admittedly, I'm not very personally involved with that part of the codebase these days so I might be off on some of the details; I'll CC the list in case anyone more familiar wants to correct me...) -mental

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Show Page Shadow Option
by Jon Phillips 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

I can't find the email where I said I would commit my "Show Page Shadow" option to the "Document Preferences" dialog. Anyhow, I added and tested it (I'm trying to make good on my backlog of promises). Now anyone may quickly set whether page shadow is on or off per-document via the "Document Preferences" dialog. If you would like to make it permanent, you can change your local preferences.xml under namedview by adding the attribute: showpageshadow="false" However, if you have the default.svg located by default at /usr/local/share/templates/default.svg on *nix, then you must add the aforementioned setting in namedview. Took me moment to track down where that conflict between preferences.xml and default.svg occurred. I think Jimmac and some others requested this and I don't like the cheesy "this is a document" page shadow either. Plus, it won't really be applicable when the documents are for animations, etc. Jon PS: Should I have made that atrribute "inkscape:showpageshadow" ??? I can change quickly if necessary. -- Jon Phillips USA PH 510.499.0894 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) CVS Book (http://cvsbook.ucsd.edu) Scale Journal (http://scale.ucsd.edu)

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Re: [Scribus] Scribus on VNU.NET
by PLinnell 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

On Thursday 10 March 2005 20:15, Louis Desjardins wrote: > Hi everybody! > > The Frenchspeaking readers on this list will appreciate the > following link. It brings you to the Dossier published in Feb. 05 > in SVM Mac. There are no screenshots. However, there are many links > and a Fink how-to. > > http://svmmac.vnunet.fr/dossiers/logiciels/utilitaires/20050309001 > > Happy reading! > > Bonne lecture! > > Louis > _______________________________________________ > For those who are not French speakers or have not read the articles, the text version was very in depth group of articles about not just Scribus, but Inkscape and GIMP. For a major Mac publication to give it such broad coverage is in itself very significant.. To me, it says to their readers who might not truly understand OSS benefits, 'these are worthy applications'. What I found most pleasing was they highlighted the applications strengths: Inkscape's attention to UI detail and ease of use, along with prominently Scribus PDF export. Worth a look, if you can get it. Cheers, Peter

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape website with WordPress
by Jonathan Leighton 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

John Taber wrote: >On Wednesday 16 March 2005 11:30, you wrote: > > >>>I'll format my blogs simply using css (although even css doesn't work very >>>well in IE for customers stuck with that so maybe I'll just keep my blogs >>>in simple html). >>> >>> >>I know quite a few people who would shoot you for saying that, although >>I'd rather they shot Microsoft ; ). >> >> > >I don't understand why - I wasted a whole weekend redesigning our site using >W3C standard CSS, testing on Mozilla and Konqueror then found out that it was >basically unreadable in IE. So I've gone back to lots of tables. > > Sorry, my comment was perhaps a little rude. I didn't mean it like that. Basically, standards advocates (myself included) say that developing semantic (ie. not using tables for presentation), standards compliant sites is very important. There are lots of reasons: it helps search engines understand your content more, makes your site more accessible (by separating content and presentation), smaller file sizes, etc. IE has crappy support for standards, which is where the fight begins. There are, however, ways to get around the IE difficulties including suicide, changing career, and forcing everyone to use Firefox. Errr, sorry, I mean browser specific "hacks" (filters), writing CSS in a more compatible "style", and some other little things to fix stuff as well (like for transparent PNGs). There is also a slight hope that one day Microsoft may decide to improve IE's standards support, but I personally think Firefox will take over sooner than that. If you're still interested in going the standards route, you might find the following links to be of use (particularly the first): * http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/04/30/a_roadmap_to/ * http://www.htmldog.com/ * http://www.positioniseverything.net/ This has gone wildly off topic though (sorry everyone!), so if you have any more questions feel free to email me direct and I'll do my best to help you out. Jon -- Jonathan Leighton aka. Turnip http://turnipspatch.com/ | http://digital-proof.org/

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NEW: converting node to smooth improved
by bulia byak 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

Kevin, I reviewed your page at http://www.angelfire.com/mi/kevincharles/inkscape/ncwf.htm - thanks for the detailed description. I just committed a fix to Inkscape CVS. Now you can achieve your result with a single click. In Node tool, either Ctrl+click the node, or select it and click the "Make selected node smooth" button. The node will get handles and its adjacent segments will become curves, but the neighbouring nodes will remain cusp.

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NEW: dragging out handles
by bulia byak 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

Here's another Node tool improvement: - If a node does not show one or both handles (i.e. they are retracted), you can drag a handle out by dragging away from the node with Shift. This is often more convenient than using the "Convert node to smooth" or "Convert segment to curve" buttons. Unlike before, dragging a node without modifiers, or with any modifiers but Shift, will always move the node itself, not its retracted handle. Retracted handles are now not displayed at all, so for the user there's no difference between a node on a line segment (without handles) or a curve node with retracted handles. They behave the same, and you can Shift+drag out a handle easily from both.

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interface discussions
by Kees Cook 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

I love that the core features of Inkscape are so far along that the devel list has dived into long discussions of how to make subtle tweaks to the interface to make things _even better_. :) -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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NEW: small improvement in drawing tools
by bulia byak 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

Inspired by http://www.angelfire.com/mi/kevincharles/inkscape/aiwf.htm, I added a small improvement to the drawing tools: - When you switch to the Pen or Pencil tool, they now start in the "add" mode: the selected path displays endnodes to attach to, and any path you draw becomes a single object with the selected path. To start a new path object, deselect the selected path by pressing Esc. Previously you had to press "a" to go to the add mode, and I'm sure many people were not aware of this. You can still turn the add mode off by pressing "a", but I'm thinking of removing that because I don't see what advantage that may have. If you don't want to continue the path, just deselect it. Removing the "non-add" mode altogether will make the interface simpler. Any comments?

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