September 2005 - Inkscape Devel

Bounding Boxes
by Stephen Schrenk 17 Sep '05

17 Sep '05

Hi, I believe there is a problem with the way bounding boxes are calculated. At the moment the calculation assumes that lines have a >Round< join and cap style if the stroke is visible. This means, for example, that the bounding box of a 30-60-90 degree triangle does not preserve the proportions of the triangle and that a triangle with a Miter join style extends past the bounding box. It also means that a non-horizontal or vertical line with a Square cap extends outside the bounding box and that a line with a Butt cap doesn't reach the bounding box. I can't see any advantage to this particular definition. A better choice for defining the bounding box would be to use the entire visible area covered by an object. Advantage: More intuitive and probably what most people would expect. Disadvantage: More CPU intensive? May not be what is wanted for lines with markers - could ignore. There may be occasions where a different definition could be advantageous such as defining a bounding box assuming a Miter join style or using only the nodes (both preserve the proportions of regular objects). Perhaps these could be added as per object options. Tav

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Mac OS X developpement build
by Kees Cook 17 Sep '05

17 Sep '05

Hey, I just noticed your email didn't get sent to the list.... sorry I didn't respond; I didn't see it. :) We'll give you group access on sourceforge, and you can just upload it there (not through CVS or the file release section, but to the website area). If you've got CVS changes for packaging, put it in the patch tracker first, then we can move on to CVS. On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 05:41:41PM +0200, jiho wrote: > >We can make another directory up on sourceforge, alongside the win32 > >snapshots. > > I'll need CVS acces for that, which I don't have at the moment. my > sourceforge user account name is "irisson". > Where should I put the file exactly? I'm browsing inkscape CVS > without finding the win32 snapshot... > Then I guess that this must be linked from the download page. I would > be able to modify the download-en.inc file but I am no good in > german. How should I modify it: download the website, modify and > commit by CVS? -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape stats 9/15/05
by Nicu Buculei 16 Sep '05

16 Sep '05

Ben Fowler wrote: > I would respectfully disagree with both of the substantive points in this > thread(!): But you forgot to reply to the list ;) > On 9/16/05, Nicu Buculei <nicu@...398...> wrote: > >>Bryce Harrington wrote: >> >>>[ snip ] >> >> > Where the project needs help right now is in closing bugs. >> > We have our bug tracker quite well under control, but there >> > are 258 open bugs, and it would be wonderful if we could cut >> > that down significantly before the 0.43 release. If you can >> > code, please check out if you can help close one or two, ... > > > I am sitting on three patches, waiting for a thaw so that I can commit > without endangering other's activities. There was never much of a thaw > after 0.42! > > Ideally, the tree should be open just after a release for new work > including patches for minor bugs, also for developers' prized features, > as there will be a period for stabilisation before the next release. > > Just before a release, the emphasis should be on testing, packaging > and to a lesser extent on 'blocking bugs'. Cutting down the number > of open bugs by commiting is highly likely to expose other bugs or > problems with the code that require stabilisation and should be done > (IMHO) early in the release cycle. > > I suspect that I am missing something ... > > Personally, I would suggest that some manageable number > bugs (somewhere between 10 an 50 given the number of developers) > are marked as must fix before 0.43 and patches for other bugs (the > 'minor bugs' I mentioned above) are held over. > > Ideally this should be based on the importance to the end-user > rather than priority or ease of fixing. (High priority and easy to fix bugs > should most certainly be fast tracked, but again, at the beginning > or in the middle of a release cycle). > > >>Other projects keep from time to time some events called "bug >>party", when people clean the bug/feature tracker, collaborating >>over IRC and closing as much as possible as DUPLICATE, WON'T >>FIX, INVALID, RESOLVED or prioritizing. It may have the benefit >>of attracting new contributors and giving non-developers a way >>to contribute. >> >>What do you think about the opportunity/usefulness of such a >>bug party? >> >>At 258 bugs and 448 RFEs the number may be small enough and >>the action not needed. > > > I wholeheartedly agree with these data and your suggestions, until > the last line, where there is the implication that 250 open bugs is > a small number. Really, we should be aiming at zero bugs, and > should have 10 or fewer open ones. I said "may be" because I really don't know what we should consider a large or small number of bugs, compared with larger projects like Mozilla or OOo, 258 open bugs is very little. > I would urge every effort to getting non-coders interested in triaging > bugs and assigning priorities at all times. It is especially helpful to > have end-users prioritising bugs, as bugs which do not impact > the user community can be left to a future when there is more > time. > > I also note that many of the open bugs refer to the Windows > operating system, and unless those they are easily reproducible > they may never get seen by a developer unless the user > community can get behind them and insist that (some of) such > bugs are indeed important. Well, it may also be the case some of those bugs can't be reproduced at all or referring to old versions of Inkscape and can be simply closed. > Finally, if we are going to have hundreds of open bugs, we should > consider an even/odd policy, and do 'bug fixes only' for even > numbered releases ... > > That may not desirable if we have a large number of RFEs and/or > features which developers are interested in. Certainly in the > proprietary world, there are products which have benefitted > from a period of stability in which six months of the developers > time was spent on stabilisation, performance and bug fixing > rather than new features. Ideally we need to know whether the > user community would vote for quality and bug fixes or new > features ... > > Ben > -- nicu

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Using Inkscape.
by Gavin Band 16 Sep '05

16 Sep '05

Hi, First let me thank the developers for the fantastic Inkscape. I have a couple of questions about its usage. (It's a wish-list, really. I am using Inkscape 0.42.2). First, when using Inkscape on a large file such as this one: http://www.liv.ac.uk/~gband/shift_class_classification.svg it's impossible to zoom out so one can see the whole picture at once. Secondly, it would seem to me that one should "export" to file types which are not rich enough to recover the whole file, and "save" to other file types. But in Inkscape one has to "save as" (for example) Postscript. Then, if you want to keep a master copy for later editing you has to save as .svg as well, forcing you to keep choosing between the two filenames. This also seems inconsistent with the command-line switches where there is a --export-ps switch. Can't "Export bitmap" be turned into "Export", offering a choice of bitmaps, and remembering the chosen filename? Thanks, gav.

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Win32 help
by Jon A. Cruz 16 Sep '05

16 Sep '05

I've got a few bugs open for Win32 issues, and a few ideas on how to address them. What I don't have is a good way to compile or run Win32 tests here on my Mac. :-) What would be helpful would be anyone who could either build win32 versions with some tweaks or anyone who could run quick tests with those builds. Especially given our freeze state, I don't want to check anything in to CVS that hasn't gone through actual build and user testing. So... If anyone could help with either of those aspects (I've had a few people mention this in chat), just drop me a quick email directly and say if you can compile, test, or both. (no need to clutter the mailing lists to responses to this) Thanks.

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web-site translation / gettext
by Alexandre Prokoudine 16 Sep '05

16 Sep '05

Hi, I didn't catch up when you were discussing details of i18n implementation for our beloved www.inkscape.org. All I want is to point out that web-sites can be translated via gettext just like applications. Example is http://audacity.sf.net, where you just download a .pot file (from http://audacity.sourceforge.net/community/translation), translate it in KBabel, poEdit, GTranslator or whatever else and commit it to CVS or send to one of developers. When anything at ("on" is the right preposition?) the site updates, .pot files updates as well (currently manually, but this could be done automatically, I think). Translators then only need to merge changes tro translations and send them back to developer or commit themselves. This is quite handy. I don't know details of implementation, but I think that Matt Brubeck, who is in charge for that site, could help you. His e-mail address is mbrubeck =at= cs.hmc.edu Alexandre

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Spell checking
by Tavmjong Bah 16 Sep '05

16 Sep '05

Hi, I am wondering how I can get the spell checker to work. I have compiled Inkscape from today's cvs on a Fedora Core 4 system and as with past versions of Inkscape, the spell checking doesn't work. Yes, I am looking at the Text tab in the Text and Font dialog. Can someone give me some hints on where to begin to debug the problem? Thanks, Tav

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[msalsbury@...58...: Just passing along well-earned kudos]
by Bryce Harrington 16 Sep '05

16 Sep '05

----- Forwarded message from Michael Salsbury <msalsbury@...58...> ----- Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:26:47 -0700 From: Michael Salsbury <msalsbury@...58...> To: bryce@...58... Subject: Just passing along well-earned kudos Message body follows: I've only very recently heard of Inkscape (say in the last couple of months). Recently I downloaded the software and tried it out on a Mac OS X machine, as part of an article I'm researching for my blog. After spending a few hours with Inkscape, I was impressed enough with your work to write a "compare and contrast" review for my blog: http://mikesalsbury.com/mambo/content/view/231/1/ In case you don't have time to read it, I compared Inkscape to Macromedia FreeHand MXa and it compared very favorably. I found a few things in each product I didn't find in the other. Most of what I found in FreeHand that isn't in Inkscape didn't seem to be anything I would personally want, need, or expect to find in an illustration program. Since there's no appropriate forum I can find for communicating this information to the development team for Inkscape (i.e., it's not a bug, not a tip/trick, etc.) I decided to take a moment to write some of the developers directly. I'm very impressed with what you've done and look forward to seeing future releases! -- This message has been sent to you, a registered SourceForge.net user, by another site user, through the SourceForge.net site. This message has been delivered to your SourceForge.net mail alias. You may reply to this message using the "Reply" feature of your email client, or using the messaging facility of SourceForge.net at: https://sourceforge.net/sendmessage.php?touser=1046455 ----- End forwarded message -----

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URGENT: Website is BROKEN!
by unknown＠example.com 16 Sep '05

16 Sep '05

Hello, test out the website. Also, people who are editing the website, make sure you test your changes before committing them to be public! All the left hand menu links are to change languages and lead no where! Can someone fix this please and quick? Jon

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Fwd: [Inkscape-devel] Mac OS X developpement build
by jiho 15 Sep '05

15 Sep '05

sorry i replied to the sender only. hjere is a mail for the list. Begin forwarded message: > On 15 sept. 05, at 17:09, Kees Cook wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 01:07:45PM +0200, jiho wrote: >> >> >>> Here is what is activated at the end of the compilation process. >>> Is it >>> OK or do you want gnome-print and gnome-vfs? >>> >>> >> >> gnome-print should stay off. gnome-vfs is a "nice to have", and lets >> you load URLs from the commandline. >> > > ok. next build will include it. actually, I am switching to tiger > now because a friend gave me his dvd so next builds will be done on > tiger. > > >>> If this is ok, where should I put it now? I have no space to host it >>> myself. >>> If this proves to be useful I plan on making such a build on a >>> weekly >>> basis. >>> >>> >> >> We can make another directory up on sourceforge, alongside the win32 >> snapshots. >> > > I'll need CVS acces for that, which I don't have at the moment. my > sourceforge user account name is "irisson". > Where should I put the file exactly? I'm browsing inkscape CVS > without finding the win32 snapshot... > Then I guess that this must be linked from the download page. I > would be able to modify the download-en.inc file but I am no good > in german. How should I modify it: download the website, modify and > commit by CVS? JiHO --- Windows, c'est un peu comme le beaujolais nouveau : a chaque nouvelle cuvee on sait que ce sera degueulasse, mais on en prend quand meme par masochisme. --- http://jo.irisson.free.fr/

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