March 2008 - Inkscape Devel - Inkscape Mailman

on refactoring
by Alexandre Prokoudine 03 Mar '08

03 Mar '08

Hi, The word "refactoring" is floating in the air ever since 0.46 was branched. What I'm curious about is whether we have the exact plan of what we want to do. This is especially interesting in the context of other words like "animation". Is it still planned to split Inkscape into InkCore to make it possible building new applications? Do we want animation as part of Inkscape or as a co-project? Alexandre

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You are correct - Win32 printing really is broken!
by Joel Holdsworth 03 Mar '08

03 Mar '08

Seeing as I am a win32 developer - albeit with not much time, I just hooked up my old printer to investigate the notorious win32 printing bug. I see the problem - wierd blackness in both bitmap and vector mode, and messed up polygons in vector mode. I guess I'm stating the obvious here. I'm not sure what to suggest - this seems like a renderer (cairo?) problem to me. If cairo is broken, then we must either push through fixes to cairo, or revert back to the old system. I imagine cairo fixes will be too slow, so I suggest we revert printing to the pre-November version for win32 only, until we can get a proper fix in time for 0.46.1. What do people think? +1 for releasing all platforms at the same time - we need to make as a big a media rumble as we can. Joel

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splitting PO files
by Alexandre Prokoudine 03 Mar '08

03 Mar '08

Hi, Here is an question that is triggered by a recent request in inkscape-translator@...233... While doing refactoring in 0.47, should we probably try to split translatable messages into several ones? E.g.: po/ po-lpe/ po-extensions/ po-tools/ ? Inkscape has grown *a lot* over the 0.46: amount of translatable messages has jumped from 2480 in 0.45.1 to 3465 in 0.46. While supporting one large already existing PO file is probably OK for translators (not quite correct for the case I started this email with), creating a whole new translation will be psychologically difficult at the same time. I've seen this with Xara Xtreme for Linux which had ~5700 messages last time I checked - and the pace of translation work into various languages was dead slow. On the other hand, I sometimes find myself jumping between po/ru.po and po-libgimp/ru.po and suspect that this will apply to Inkscape to some extent in case we choose this path. Anyway, what do you think? Alexandre

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0.46/0.47 about pictures
by Alexandre Prokoudine 03 Mar '08

03 Mar '08

Hi, I know, maybe it's too early to discuss that, but what happened to the chosen 0.46 and 0.47/SVN about pictures? :) Alexandre

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Update spanish po for 0.46
by Lucas Vieites 02 Mar '08

02 Mar '08

Hi, I'm attaching the translated es.po in this mail. Please forgive me for not opening a patch o bug in launchpad as I am away from my own computer for a few days. Thanks in advance, -- Lucas Vieites Fariña <lucas@...1852...> Got the code, got the connection... codexion.com

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-user] 0.46, 0.45 startup problems on Leopard
by Stuart Edwards 02 Mar '08

02 Mar '08

Thank you for the quick response. No trouble - just like to get to the bottom of it - On Feb 24, 2008, at 12:27 PM, jiho wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for the detailed report and sorry for the trouble. My answers > below. > > On 2008-February-24 , at 17:05 , Stuart Edwards wrote: >> Reboot >> Activate Inkscape >> Inkscape menu appears but no windows; X11 is not activated >> >> console messages are: >> >> 2/24/08 9:59:29 AM [0x0-0x1a01a].org.inkscape.Inkscape[224] >> 2008-02-24 >> 09:59:29.816 defaults[245:10b] >> 2/24/08 9:59:29 AM [0x0-0x1a01a].org.inkscape.Inkscape[224] The >> domain/ >> default pair of (kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, AppleAquaColorVariant) >> does not exist >> 2/24/08 9:59:29 AM defaults[246] The domain/default pair of >> (kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, AppleHighlightColor) does not exist >> 2/24/08 9:59:30 AM [0x0-0x1a01a].org.inkscape.Inkscape[224] >> 2008-02-24 >> 09:59:29.922 defaults[246:10b] >> 2/24/08 9:59:30 AM [0x0-0x1a01a].org.inkscape.Inkscape[224] The >> domain/ >> default pair of (kCFPreferencesAnyApplication, AppleHighlightColor) >> does not exist > > These are known and fixed in the latest versions (but there may not be > a build yet, can't remember when I did the last one). To work around > it you can open System prefs, change the appearance settings and it > will generate those two keys in the preferences. You can then switch > back to your previous settings (but in the meantime do yourself a > favor and switch to graphite and grey highlighting ;) ) Ok - now Inkscape 'opens' (still no X11 windows) but there are no console messages either. > > >> Activate X11 (this is X11.app at /Applications/Utilities/X11.app/ >> Contents/MacOS/X11 ) >> xterm window opens >> >> Activate Inkscape >> Inkscape menu appears but no X11 windows >> >> Console messages similar with a couple of additions, then the >> Activity >> Monitor goes a little crazy: >> [...] >> 2/24/08 10:10:26 AM Activity Monitor[271] *** -[NSCFArray >> objectAtIndex:]: index (24) beyond bounds (24) >> 2/24/08 10:10:46 AM Activity Monitor[271] *** -[NSCFArray >> objectAtIndex:]: index (24) beyond bounds (24) >> 2/24/08 10:10:46 AM Activity Monitor[271] *** -[NSCFArray >> objectAtIndex:]: index (24) beyond bounds (24) >> 2/24/08 10:10:46 AM Activity Monitor[271] *** -[NSCFArray >> objectAtIndex:]: index (24) beyond bounds (24) >> etc, once per second > > These I don't know about. They are Activity Monitor messages so I > guess there something wrong there. Do you notice it only with > Inkscape? My guess is that this is just a display problem since a > process was suppressed outside of activity monitor, while it was > running. Just triggered by Inkscape -- but not happening now after changing the settings / updating X11. > > >> Quit Inkscape and console says: >> >> 2/24/08 10:17:12 AM [0x0-0x23023].org.inkscape.Inkscape[367] Platypus >> App: PID 368 killed brutally >> 2/24/08 10:17:12 AM com.apple.launchd[84] >> ([0x0-0x23023].org.inkscape.Inkscape[367]) Stray process with PGID >> equal to this dead job: PID 368 PPID 1 inkscape-bin > > this is normal behavior when you force-quit inkscape. ok - > > >> Quit Activity Monitor >> >> Try to activate Inkscape and X11 several times - same results. >> Inkscape did actually fire up a couple of days ago, but seemed to >> freeze a lot on file management tasks. >> Unfortunately I can't recreate that today. > > Strange. The unknown keypairs are just for the gtk theme, Inkscape > should start without it and just use the default. No clue at this > point. strange that nothing would induce it to start today > > >> Go back to 0.45 >> Activate Inkscape (X11 is open) >> Inkscape window opens >> I usually have to have X11 open in order for Inkscape to find it -- >> been using it this way most of the time. 'Failed to start X11' >> screen >> is presented otherwise. > > 0.45 or 0.45.1? 0.45.1 universal was fixed to work on leopard and > according to the new behavior of X11, 0.45 was not. you're right - 0.45 > > >> Console messages are: >> >> 2/24/08 10:22:28 AM [0x0-0x2e02e].org.inkscape.Inkscape[685] / >> Applications/Inkscape/Inkscape.app/Contents/Resources/script: line >> 17: >> open-x11: command not found >> 2/24/08 10:22:28 AM [0x0-0x2e02e].org.inkscape.Inkscape[685] Unable >> to >> find application named 'XDarwin' > > ↑↑ This is probably 0.45 and not 0.45. Yes, it's 0.45 > >> 2/24/08 10:22:31 AM [0x0-0x2e02e].org.inkscape.Inkscape[685] >> (inkscape- >> bin:686): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. >> 2/24/08 10:22:31 AM [0x0-0x2e02e].org.inkscape.Inkscape[685] Using >> the fallback 'C' locale. > > This is OK. Not getting this now with xquartz > > >> 2/24/08 10:22:32 AM [0x0-0x2e02e].org.inkscape.Inkscape[685] ** >> (inkscape-bin:686): WARNING **: Unknown verb name: FullScreen > > This is just a warning but we are having it a lot. This is related to > the new version of X11 but I don't know where it comes from on > Inkscape's side. Nor this > > >> 2/24/08 10:22:34 AM [0x0-0x2e02e].org.inkscape.Inkscape[685] >> (inkscape- >> bin:686): Pango-WARNING **: Error loading GDEF table 85 >> 2/24/08 10:22:34 AM [0x0-0x2e02e].org.inkscape.Inkscape[685] >> (inkscape- >> bin:686): Pango-WARNING **: Error loading GPOS table 85 >> 2/24/08 10:22:34 AM [0x0-0x2e02e].org.inkscape.Inkscape[685] >> (inkscape- >> bin:686): Pango-WARNING **: Error loading GSUB table 85 > > These are regular warnings too. ok, but they are gone too. > > >> This may shed some light on the X11 problem > > The X11 problem is the following: on Panther+Tiger X11 must be started > to run X11 applications so we started it manually in Inkscape > launcher, on Leopard, X11 is automatically launched when an > applications queries the DISPLAY variable (and X11 thing). So we just > had to surround the code which started X11 in the launcher by an if > condition ( if version is < 10.5 then start X11, else just skip it ). > This has been included in all recent devel versions of Inkscape (all > those compiled on Leopard at least) and has been "backported" to > 0.45.1. So all those should work on Leopard. So this definitely doesn't seem to be happening with Leopard or 0.45.1 (see below) > > In the devel version the gtk theme was added and this leads to > problems when the default Aqua appearance was never changed. I knew > about it last week or so, and fixed it. But in any case, it should > just start with an ugly theme. > > So my advice: > - do the appearance thing done > > - get the lastest build for leopard. It is kind of a pre-release build > so it has many bugs squashed out, better font support and python > support for extensions is included (hence the size of the download) > http://inkscape.modevia.com/macosx-snap/Inkscape-17373-10.5-i386.dmg that's what I have - but I just downloaded it again to be sure. > > - get the latest X11 from Xquartz (*much* better than the default one > on Leopard, and kind of official > > http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/xquartz/wiki/X112.1.4 done - unfortunately the net result is no change as far as 0.46 is concerned. I downloaded 0.45.1 and it opens briefly, triggers X11 which opens and then Inkscape is gone. There are no Inkscape related console messages. > > With those, everything should be fine. If it is not, then let us know. > > JiHO So my fall back is opening X11 manually and running 0.45 -- that seems to be reasonably stable, although some of the effects are missing because of the lack of pyxml - but never mind. It's still a great program. Stu

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] clip/mask edit
by Guillermo Espertino 02 Mar '08

02 Mar '08

I really needed this feature. Good work! A couple of thoughts about clipping paths and masks. -Clipping should be also placed in the right-click menu on the canvas. It's a tool used very frequently and since it hasn't a keyboard shortcut (please correct me if I'm wrong) it's kind of "hidden". A more accesible place would be welcome. -Clipping path and mask nodes should be considered in snapping. Currently they aren't and it's very difficult to manually place clipped objects in a specific place when snapping is needed. -Finally, I agree with the idea to make the clip and mask editable directly from the path edit tool. It would be fast and intuitive. What do you guys think? If you agree with these ideas I'll fill the proper bug or RFE.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Windows Native dialog (lost ubuntu)
by Guillermo Espertino 02 Mar '08

02 Mar '08

> I used to have Ubuntu64 on this machine along with WinXP (on AMD64 3000) until the routine win C: reformat after which Ubuntu was inaccessible. I guess boot partitions got corrupted? When I tried to install Ubuntu again it crashed during installation. Any idea what I might do to get Ubuntu back? When you reinstall windows the mbr (master boot record) is re-written and you loose the boot manager (usually GRUB). The data and partitions are there, but the boot record only has the information to boot windows. You have to reinstall grub mounting the partition with the LiveCD or use an excellent tool called Super Grub Disk (SGD) which is easily found googling. SGD lets you create a diskette or CD that boots and give you tools to revover the lost grub. Good luck!

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] 0.46 release debate
by Guillermo Espertino 02 Mar '08

02 Mar '08

In my honest oppinion, Inkscape 0.46 for Windows shouldn't be released until the printing issue is fixed. 0.46 may be released later, or event not be released, then release 0.47 directly. Being a linux user I see frequently software packages that aren't available for linux in the latest versions (skype, adobe reader and flash player, etc.). Even some open souce packages are released for windows first and we have to wait. So I don't think it's a big deal to opt for not releasing 0.46 due to its platform specific bugs. Windows users will keep using 0.45 or use devel compilations while they wait. If 0.46 is ready for Linux or other platform, then release it. A new stable version, at least in this platform will keep dragging attention and will show the project's health. Gez.

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Strings to translate in bitmap effects.
by Marcin Floryan 01 Mar '08

01 Mar '08

Hi! I was trying to review bitmap effects and found two where translation is not used properly. In /src/extension/internal/bitmap there are two files: addNoise.cpp and channel.cpp where strings are properly marked for translation (and thus are in the .po files) but do not appear to be used. I thought it would be nice to fix this for 0.46 since the strings are already there but I can't trace where the XML is used to create the UI. It seems like the items for Combo Box are not being created with a call to gettext. This could potentially benefit more then just those two effects and would also allow for the combox box items in the idx files to be translatable. Regards, -- Marcin Floryan http://marcin.floryan.pl/ [GPG Key ID: 0D5581C5]

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