November 2012 - Inkscape Devel

Units
by Jelle 06 Nov '12

06 Nov '12

Dear all, On Units: After some digging I found that Inkscape uses a 90dpi setting internally for everything. It finally explains the insane precision to me. Now that's fine with me, but it would be really handy if you could set your own preferences. As a user of metrics it really is mindnumbing to have to work with 3.543307 px per mm. I'd much rather would set that to 10 or 100 for instance so I can more easily work from px units into mm and vice versa. I guess that for those that use their feet to do measurements 90dpi makes more sense though they must have some trouble when it comes to fractions of Inches (what pinky's?). If I want to design something in metrics and I get all those fractioned numbers in my files, it makes it a tad difficult to edit it by hand or script. Especially the latter is rather important for me. So the question here is,.. is it humanly possible to create a setting of your units and their conversion to px so the whole SVG document starts using those unit settings? If this is set in some script, where can I find the script and wouldn't it be great if that could be turned into a user settings config script that is editable from Inkscape. I'd be happy to make an interface for it as an extension as I think even I could do that with my limited skills in programming. I bet it all comes down to getting Inkscape to recognise these new settings at runtime, but restarting the application after changing the settings might be an option (Alert: restart Inkscape to use your new settings). I love Inkscape and its functionality for web design, but I think making it more flexible with unit settings might make it really useful for those that want to organise their whole work flow including print with it. On SVGDOM and Pyhton: Can one access the SVGDOM from python like you do from javascript? Using getAttributeNS etc.? If so, I'd like to try write some extensions. On the topic of the Inkscape UI re-design: If anything I'd love to see a UI that would be completely configurable like the one in Coreldraw. I also like the Gimp where UI objects and canvas are separated. Though it would be nice if there was some way to set a Z order in those as you often move new windows over UI objects and thus hiding them. Some UI object manager could be useful in that regard. Alternatively I would suggest making the canvas UI have a set position in the window and scale it when you open a docker. Now the part of the drawing get's hidden that often holds the objects you need the docker for, making more clicks. Using the GIMP format it might be possible to dock over the right side of the canvas window edge and like wise for tools to move them to the left side over the windows edge. This should be an OPTION as not everyone has a screen estate of 1920x1600 where this method would really make sense. It would defy some UI design adagia no doubt, but the movements would be a logical extension of the ones you are already making. Jelle Mulder On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 06:30:22 +0800, <inkscape-devel-request(a)lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Send Inkscape-devel mailing list submissions to > inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > inkscape-devel-request(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > inkscape-devel-owner(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Inkscape-devel digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Problem export to png in spanish version (alvinpenner) > 2. Re: Problem export to png in spanish version (Benjamin N??ez) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 14:55:58 -0700 (PDT) > From: alvinpenner <penner@...1856...> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem export to png in spanish version > To: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > Message-ID: <1351893357935-4965540.post@...2730...> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > cami?nCatalu?a.png > <http://inkscape.13.n6.nabble.com/file/n4965540/cami%C3%B3nCatalu%C3%B1a.png> > - not reproduced on Windows 7, Inkscape 0.48.3.1. > - attached is a png file saved using Export Bitmap. > - just for clarification, is it only the file that has non-Ascii > characters, > or do the directories also have non-Ascii characters? > > Alvin Penner > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://inkscape.13.n6.nabble.com/Problem-export-to-png-in-spanish-version-t… > Sent from the Inkscape - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:29:53 +0100 > From: Benjamin N??ez <benji.n.gon@...400...> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem export to png in spanish version > To: alvinpenner <penner@...1856...> > Cc: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > Message-ID: > <CAAZNt3vyWuVE-u0VdMEr-GeUOiCJ3kuX2n_quvZhm_4dQOsbpw@...401...> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Ahhhh ok, it's true. When we use export bitmap no problem with "?". > > Is only when I try use the option "save as" and Cairo PNG when I have > that > problem. > > And your question yes, when the directorie have non-Ascii characters I > can't save the file with "save as", but no problem when I use Export > Bitmap. > > Thanks for everything. > > Benja > > 2012/11/2 alvinpenner <penner@...1856...> > >> cami?nCatalu?a.png >> < >> http://inkscape.13.n6.nabble.com/file/n4965540/cami%C3%B3nCatalu%C3%B1a.png >> > >> - not reproduced on Windows 7, Inkscape 0.48.3.1. >> - attached is a png file saved using Export Bitmap. >> - just for clarification, is it only the file that has non-Ascii >> characters, >> or do the directories also have non-Ascii characters? >> >> Alvin Penner >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://inkscape.13.n6.nabble.com/Problem-export-to-png-in-spanish-version-t… >> Sent from the Inkscape - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. >> Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center >> Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues >> Automate, monitor and manage. 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active document
by Johan Engelen 06 Nov '12

06 Nov '12

Hi all, "SP_ACTIVE_DOCUMENT" or equivalently "inkscape_active_document" uses the current active desktop to find out which document is active. So SP_ACTIVE_DOCUMENT will not work if there is no GUI (cmdline Inkscape), and will return NULL. To allow one to call SP_ACTIVE_DOCUMENT to obtain the SPDocument, I am proposing to 'fall back' to take the first listed document in the Inkscape instance if desktop==NULL. In inkscape.cpp: SPDocument * inkscape_active_document (void) { if (SP_ACTIVE_DESKTOP) { return sp_desktop_document (SP_ACTIVE_DESKTOP); } else if (!inkscape->document_set.empty()) { return document_set.begin()->first; } return NULL; } I know we should move away from SP_ACTIVE_DOCUMENT and friends, but let's do the proposed change for sake of getting functionality now instead of over 5 years. ;-) It is related to fixing r11804 [1] to work from the cmdline. Cheers, Johan [1] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~inkscape.dev/inkscape/trunk/revision/11804#src…

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Changes in cairo >= 1.12.4 affect Inkscape stable and trunk
by ~suv 06 Nov '12

06 Nov '12

Cairo 1.12.4 introduced changes which affect Inkscape stable and trunk. Later releases (1.12.6, 1.12.8) addressed some of them for now, but not all: Outline view mode doesn't display any visible outlines at all [1], even with latest cairo 1.12.8 (released today). Tests with just released cairo 1.12.8 on OS X 10.7.4 (X11 and Quartz cairo surface backends with Inkscape 0.48.3.1 and Inkscape 0.48+devel r11861) gave me these results: - not fixed: outline view mode still renders invisible affects current stable 0.48.3.1 and trunk - fixed (since 1.12.6): invisible auxiliary paths and handles ° path outlines (red/green), node handles (blue) in Pen, Pencil and Node tool ° circle (grey/green) indicating distance to guide path in Calligraphy tool hatch mode ° circle (orange) indicating brush size of Tweak tool (width) ° circle (orange) indicating spray area of Spray tool (width) ° possibly others I missed in my tests affected current stable (0.48.3.1) - AFAICT fixed (since 1.12.8): rendering artifacts with stroked curves affected trunk [3] In upstream bug 56099 [2], one of the cairo developers indicates that Inkscape needs to change how certain handles and paths are rendered via cairo: > commit c565bad8901dbe66e1402cdc2418986e96e698e3 > Author: Chris Wilson <chris@...2923...> > Date: Fri Oct 19 12:22:58 2012 +0100 > > pen: Relax invisibility criteria from half-tolerance to quarter-tolerance > > Inkscape is one user who sets geometric tolerance to 1.25 pixels when > stroking sub-pixel lines. Whilst we wait for inkscape to set sensible > values for their tolerance, we have to allow through the current values > in order to prevent the fine strokes from disappearing. Is there something which can or ought to done on Inkscape's side to help affected users of current Inkscape stable [4] (AFAIK currently Fedora 18, Mageia and ArchLinux, and probably soon other distros which plan to update to latest cairo stable)? Likely - I don't know any details about how cairo is used in Inkscape - there will be different changes required for the stable release branch (release of 0.48.4 is pending, and held up only by one blocker so far) and current trunk. V [1] Bug #1074612 “No display in outline mode” <https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1074612> [2] Bug 56099 - path rendering problems in 1.12.4 <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56099> [3] artifacts with stroked bézier curves <http://lists.cairographics.org/archives/cairo/2012-September/023532.html> <http://lists.cairographics.org/archives/cairo/attachments/20120928/194fcb1c…> <http://dl.dropbox.com/u/65084033/irc/cairo-1.12.4-stroked-paths-rendering-g…> [4] user comments <https://plus.google.com/106604070261659014786/posts/Bru4nW8wSrh> <https://plus.google.com/106604070261659014786/posts/3DpwXkBLRwv>

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Testing SpiroLive
by Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz 06 Nov '12

06 Nov '12

Hi SorinN. How are your testing? I'm not enoft specific? Thanks for your time compiling. I want to know if SpiroLive is mature to propose to merge. ¿Whath do you think about? Hi, Jabier.

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feComposite : how to deal with alpha ?
by pennec victor 06 Nov '12

06 Nov '12

Hi, Some days ago, Jasper van de Gronde asked me if I still got problem with negative values in feComposite. He pointed that I forgot about the alpha value (becoming zero) https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1044989 So I reworked my filters using his clever trick so that alpha won't reach 0 (except I used feColorMatrix instead of feComponentTransfer) And once again I'm stuck. I try to redo the exclusion filter in photoshop using feComposite For two layers A (=sourceImage) and B (=backgroundImage) with opacities = 1, formula is supposed to be A+B - 2AB. As feComposite (stupidly IMO) computes not only rgb channels but the alpha too I need to get rid of the alpha channel (either in earlier or later stages) until now I failed. What I'd expected rgb(1,0,0.5, x) exclusion rgb(0,1,0.5, y) should be rgb(1,1,0.5, 1) r:1 + 0 - 2 (1*0) = 1 g:0 + 1 - 2 (0*1) = 1 b:0.5+0.5 - 2 (0.5*0.5) = 0.5 problem is the alpha coz 1 + 1 - 2(1*1) = 0 I tried the 2 following solutions solution 1: dealing later with alpha => set alpha to 1 when everything is done. feComposite k=(-2;1;1;_) followed by colorMatrix 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 <= identity for rgb 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 <= reset alpha to 1.0 whatever it could've been before this doesn't work, the result is full black solution 2: dealing earlier with alpha => set alpha so that it is 1 and not 0 after composition (=set it to 0 before the feComposite) pass sourceimage through the following colormatrix to remove the alpha 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 <= identity for rgb 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 <= reset alpha to 0 run this + backgrounImage in feComposite k=(-2;1;1;_) with this I'd expected the alpha to be ok because 0 + 1 - 2 (1*0) = 1. but this doesn't work either (fully transparent ?) Could anybody help ? How do you deal with alpha when using feComposite ? Does Inkscape (or svg) drop result of a filter stage if alpha is zero ? (in solution 1)

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Clippath and Masks
by Jelle 06 Nov '12

06 Nov '12

Dear all, I was wondering if it wouldn't be useful to change the way clippath and masks are created. Now the object used to create the clippath, gets transformed into a clippath and placed in the defs. However, very often I'd have to create a copy of this very object, move it down in Z-order and the use the original object to clip. Wouldn't it be easier to move a copy of the orginal to the defs as clippath and leave the original where it is? For masked area's it makes more sense to destroy the orignal, but even there I feel maintaining the original could be useful as those shapes are often used for dropshadows (at least that's what I use them for). Releasing the clip or mask would then still be rendering the same result as now, the only change is creating a new idea for the clippath by adding "c_" or "m_" in front of the ID of the copy. Jelle Mulder

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Something annoying with new sliders and filters
by Ivan Louette 04 Nov '12

04 Nov '12

While the new sliders could be smart they are also annoying when used on some filters like Gaussian Blur when a wide range of variation is allowed (this is the case for some filters also suited for high resolution images like for example the new custom filter "Drawing"). The problem is when you try to click on numerical values because then often the slider instantly increase up to the highest value (like if you drag it to this value) instead of giving you precise control on the numerics. And in these cases often if you type Ctrl+Z before the filter is completely applied Inkscape crashes. It make working with some nice filters somewhat hasardous and I am sure discouraging for the beginners in this area. ivan

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display scale factor
by unknown＠example.com 04 Nov '12

04 Nov '12

Recently, I wanted to use Inkscape to draw a floor plan for a large house. For this, I needed to use a grid specified in feet and inches. I found that in order to fit the whole drawing on the screen at once, I had to set the zoom factor to 3% or less, which was inconvenient. It seems that for some reason you cannot set a zoom factor of less than 1%, so if the building were even three times larger, there would be no way to view it all at once, if you used the correct units to draw it. It seems that I'm not the only person having this problem: http://inkscape-forum.andreas-s.net/topic/1209992 The suggested solution is to scale your drawing in "px" units, and then apply a mental scale factor to get the real dimensions. Of course you COULD do that, but why should you have to? Why can't Inkscape accommodate whatever units, dimensions, and scales are appropriate for the task at hand? My first solution was as follows. The inch and foot units are defined in the Inkscape config file "/usr/share/inkscape/ui/units.txt", or possibly "/usr/share/inkscape/ui/units.xml". I'm not sure which of these files is supposed to be normative; why are there two of them? # name plural abbr type factor PRI description inch inches in LINEAR 90.0 N Inches (90 px/in) foot feet ft LINEAR 1080 N Feet (12 in/ft) I added the following units, which are defined to be 1/360 of the usual ones: x-inch x-inches xin LINEAR 0.25 N X-Inches (0.25 px/xin) x-foot x-feet xft LINEAR 3 N X-Feet (12 xin/xft) Inkscape then recognizes these new units for the "Default units" and "Page Size" options, and for the "Transform" dialog. It DOES NOT recognize them for the object dimension boxes along the top of the canvas, and when the drawing's default unit is set to "xft", the rulers are graduated in "px" units. I then tried adding the same definitions to the "units.xml" file: <unit type="LINEAR" pri="n"> <name>x-inch</name> <plural>x-inches</plural> <abbr>xin</abbr> <factor>0.25</factor> <description>X-Inches (0.25 px/xin)</description> </unit> <unit type="LINEAR" pri="n"> <name>x-foot</name> <plural>x-feet</plural> <abbr>xft</abbr> <factor>3</factor> <description>X-Feet (12 xin/xft)</description> </unit> This did not appear to have any further effect. It seems rather silly that for some purposes, the unit definitions would be read at runtime from a config file, while for other purposes, they would be compiled into the program binary, but that appears to be how it currently works. I suppose I could fix this so that all the unit definitions were read from a single config file at runtime, and then define corresponding metric x-units as 1/100 of the usual ones, but that would be kind of pointless. People who want to draw cells, or integrated circuits, or molecules, would have to define y-micrometres, y-nanometres, and y-angstroms, as a million times bigger than the standard units, because it turns out that the maximum zoom factor you can apply is 25600%, or 256. (It's pretty silly to have to write 256 as "25600%", but apparently you do have to.) There is a much better solution, which is illustrated by the attached image "scale.png". This is intended as an addition to the current "Document Properties/Page" config window. It specifies the scale at which the drawing will be displayed on the physical screen, as a ratio between real dimensions on the screen, and the declared dimensions of the drawing. This does not replace the current "Zoom" option in the "View" menu or the box in the lower right corner of the main window. It is simply multiplied together with that setting, so if the zoom factor is set to "1:1" or "100%", the specified display scale factor is what you get. The intention is that the display scale factor will be set once, to an appropriate value for the drawing, while the zoom factor will be changed frequently while working. The display scale factor is specified as a ratio between two values, each of which consists of a decimal number and a unit chosen from a selection list. The available units are those read from the units.{txt,xml} file, with the addition of "width" and "height". These two units will refer to the physical screen dimensions, and the declared page size for the drawing. You can therefore specify that the normal display scale is such that the width of the drawing is the width of the screen (or half that, or twice that). This is likely to be useful, because often the X server does not have an accurate idea of the physical screen dimensions, but it always knows the size in pixels. It seems that this feature should be fairly simple to implement, for someone familiar with the Inkscape code. It only requires four additional widgets for the Document Properties window, for this setting to be saved and read from the SVG file, and for the resulting value to be multiplied with the existing zoom factor wherever that appears. Note the following related feature request, rated as "Priority: High": https://blueprints.launchpad.net/inkscape/+spec/real-units Bob wants to draw a house plan in feet and inches, but still print it on a letter-sized paper. (one idea: different layers can have different scales: e.g. border layer is actual size, house layer is 1 in. = 8 ft.) I would point out that the SVG specification does not prescribe any particular ratio between "px" drawing units and actual physical lengths. (It certainly DOES NOT specify that 90 px = 1 inch, as Inkscape currently assumes [units.txt]; this ratio is only mentioned as "for example".) http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/coords.html#Units I suggest that for Inkscape, "px" be considered to be equivalent to the specified "Default unit" from the Document Properties window. If the default unit is metres, or whatever, then that's what "px" means, for that document, but no other. I don't see how this is inconsistent with the SVG specification. Another related proposal is here: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=29861176 >> I think that if we are going to break compatibility, we go for one >> release to do it. Basically, all of the new-style stuff including >> custom doc coords would be a huge win to introduce all at once. I >> would love to see a rotatable canvas in Inkscape, but I have no idea >> how feasible it is with the current rendering/viewport stuff we have >> in place. > > In principle it should be possible to change doc2dt and dt2doc > matrices to any transform without any modifications to the display > subsystem, but it might expose bugs - mainly hidden assumptions that > doc2dt is always an Y flip + translation. If the canvas can be rotated by an arbitrary angle (or "any transform matrix" applied), then certainly another uniform scaling factor can be applied at the same time. Finally, I must comment on how strange it is that "units.txt" contains the following definition: # name plural abbr type factor PRI description % % % DIMENSIONLESS 1.00 Y Percentage It seems clear that since 100% = 100/100 = 1.0 , then 1% = 1/100 = 0.01 ; this is what the conversion factor should be. Only slightly less strange is this: degree degrees deg RADIAL 1.00 Y Degrees The natural base unit for rotations (if not radians) is one whole rotation, the identity operation, analogous to multiplication by one. These definitions necessarily imply that there must be inverse conversion factors of "100" and "360" hard-wired into the Inkscape code somewhere. But why should that be? The natural place for such conversion factors is this same "units.txt" definition file; that's what it's FOR. In this regard, it would be helpful if whatever piece of code is responsible for reading these definitions were (trivially) extended to handle ratios; then a degree could be defined as "1/360", rather than "0.002777777". Then, if someone wants to specify angles in milliradians, for some reason, they can define that as "1/6283.185", rather than "0.05729578", as is currently necessary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angle#Units Similarly, if someone is working on some tiling problem and wants to scale things by multiples of 1/64, rather than 1/100, they can call that a "perfoo", and define it as "1/64", instead of "1.5625", as currently necessary. Another thing that would be useful for this file is to have some notation for "the n-th root of x"; for example, "2\4" could mean "the fourth root of two", which might otherwise be written as "2^(1/4)". Currently, the "+" and "-" keys zoom the display by a factor of 2^(1/2) (usually called "square root of two", 1.414214), while the up and down arrows next to the zoom factor box change it by almost, but not quite, 2^(1/10) ("tenth root of two", 1.071773). If there were some convenient notation for specifying geometric roots in the "units.txt" file, these zoom factors might be made configurable, and they could also be used in the "Transform" dialog for scaling objects. -- Ian Bruce

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XQuartz no more!
by Andrew Pennebaker 03 Nov '12

03 Nov '12

As a Mac user, I'm happy that GIMP finally removed the XQuartz dependency. Would some GIMP developers like to do the same for other Mac Gtk projects such as Inkscape <http://inkscape.org/> or GnuCash <http://www.gnucash.org/>? The latter is in real need of an interface update. -- Cheers, Andrew Pennebaker www.yellosoft.us

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Problem export to png in spanish version
by Benjamin Núñez 02 Nov '12

02 Nov '12

Hi everybody When I try export to png a file, and the name have spanish letters like "ñ" or accent like in this word "camión" the name change in other form. For example Cataluña change as CataluÃ±a. The other problem is, when I try import this file in the same folder nothing happens. If I want export the file I need put this file in other folder. I´m not sure if this problem is because I use Windows. I´m from Spain, sorry if my english not is good and I´m not engineer. V. 0.48 Spanish version Windows 7 -- Benjamín Núñez González

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