Re: [Inkscape-devel] All hands to Merge Requests!
by Martin Owens
Hi Michael,
This sounds very much like it should have gone into trunk /before/
going into 0.92 or 0.93.
The process is that items are merged into trunk/main and then are
forked to the release branch, these forks then get merges from trunk
(and rarely fixes just for that branch).
If it was working for 0.92 and still works in trunk and has been
reviewed, merge it in.
The deadline is Wed 7th June, so it's practically now!
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 17:12 +0200, Michael Soegtrop wrote:
> Dear Martin,
>
> I am sure the answer is somewhere in the lengthy discussion on moving
> to
> git but I must admit I didn't follow it. What I need to know is what
> the
> deadline is.
>
> The stuff was working fine in 0.92 and reviewed OK (by Jabier), it
> just
> didn't make it in time for 0.93. So all that needs to be done is
> merge
> it from 0.92 to 0.93 (or the current baseline).
>
> There is one additional LPE in this branch which is intended for
> making
> designs for stitching machines. This is also working, but it could
> need
> some improvements in the path optimization algorithms (a TSP). But I
> think this can be fixed later (enable this LPE only in development
> builds).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michael
>
> On 04.06.2017 17:01, Martin Owens wrote:
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > If you don't think it can be completed in the time left, then we
> > should
> > look for the git branch when the migration is complete. If it's not
> > there, you may have to copy across your changes and commit them
> > into a
> > new branch.
> >
> > But if you need help with your branch, this is a good time to ask.
> >
> > Best Regards, Martin Owens
> >
> > On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:11 +0200, Michael Soegtrop wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Martin,
> > >
> > > I am not sure how to proceed with my bool lpe. Shoul dit be
> > > finalized
> > > in
> > > bzr until some deadline, or should I move it over somehow
> > > (manually)
> > > to git?
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Michael
5 years, 12 months
Re: [Inkscape-devel] All hands to Merge Requests!
by Martin Owens
Michael,
If you don't think it can be completed in the time left, then we should
look for the git branch when the migration is complete. If it's not
there, you may have to copy across your changes and commit them into a
new branch.
But if you need help with your branch, this is a good time to ask.
Best Regards, Martin Owens
On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:11 +0200, Michael Soegtrop wrote:
> Dear Martin,
>
> I am not sure how to proceed with my bool lpe. Shoul dit be finalized
> in
> bzr until some deadline, or should I move it over somehow (manually)
> to git?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michael
5 years, 12 months
Board Meeting Minutes ~ 2017-05-03
by Bryce Harrington
== Meeting Minutes for 2017-05-03 ==
I don't usually prepare meeting minutes, but there was a ton of
discussion with a lot of follow ups and action items, so figure it could
use some additional visibility.
Summary of Action Items:
+ ACTION: Need to sharpen pencil on budget to see where we're at exactly. [bryce]
+ ACTION: Draft https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfest-2017/ [Tavmjong]
+ ACTION: Make a news item for the hackfest fundraiser [Tavmjong, doctormon]
+ ACTION: Advertise hackfest fundraiser on twitter [Mc, Tavmjong]
+ ACTION: Advertise hackfest fundraiser on facebook [Tavmjong or designee]
+ ACTION: Advertise hackfest fundraiser on G+ [Tavmjong or designee]
+ ACTION: Advertise hackfest fundraiser on Instagram [Rob-Sterbal, Tavmjong]
+ ACTION: Investigate stickers & pricing for hackfest [jabiertxof]
+ ACTION: Decide GUADEC attendance [Alex]
+ ACTION: Propose donation "add-on" for Win10 store to inkscape-devel@ [Mc]
+ ACTION: Jot signed-mug raffle idea down on Fundraising_Ideas page [CRogers]
+ ACTION: Test the message patch from ML [tedg]
+ ACTION: Announce plan for gitlab migration [tedg]
+ ACTION: Discuss scripting ideas for bug migration [Mc, doctormon]
+ ACTION: Re-raise topic of bugtracker migration at a future time [Mc]
+ ACTION: Help Mc kickoff funded devel of a feature [bryce]
+ ACTION: Propose a batch t-shirt run (e.g. for hackfest) [tedg]
+ ACTION: Re-contact Mihaela to finish starting up Spreadshirt [doctormon, bryce]
+ ACTION: Experiment with first-call / last-call dates on board votes [bryce]
+ ACTION: Check on board member voting [bryce]
Full log:
https://inkscape.org/en/paste/11064/
=== Paris Hackfest ===
* 5 devs + interest from a few others
* Note that Conservancy has clarified travel reimbursement documentation
+ Process hasn't changed but it's explained better.
+ Hackfest travelers should doublecheck
* Future hackfests may be short on cash
+ We have $8000 budgeted for hackfests currently
+ The 2017 hackfest allocates $13,000 expenses
- Most people won't use their full allocation
- Some people won't be able to attend
- So actual expense should be far less than the allocation
+ ACTION: Need to sharpen pencil on budget to see where we're at exactly. [Bryce]
* Should use this as opportunity to do fundraising for further hackfests
+ ACTION: Draft https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfest-2017/ [Tavmjong]
+ ACTION: Make a news item for the hackfest fundraiser [Tavmjong, doctormon]
+ ACTION: Advertise hackfest fundraiser on twitter [Mc, Tavmjong]
+ ACTION: Advertise hackfest fundraiser on facebook [Tavmjong or designee]
+ ACTION: Advertise hackfest fundraiser on G+ [Tavmjong or designee]
+ ACTION: Advertise hackfest fundraiser on Instagram [Rob-Sterbal, Tavmjong]
* Should we plan a community "open day" at the Hackfest?
+ Sticker give-aways to visitors of the event (if any)
+ Stacks to distribute to regular attendees to give out at other
events
+ If it's done, designate a single day for visitors, to avoid
distraction, and make sure to advertise the fact prominently
+ Purpose of hackfest is not community outreach, so perhaps should be
left for a separate event.
* The SFC-produced stickers might not get done in time for the hackfest,
but the designs could be used for locally printed ones
+ Ryan Gorley recommends https://www.uprinting.com/vinyl-sticker-printing.html
+ Shoot for 20 per attendee, ~200 total
+ ACTION: Investigate stickers & pricing for hackfest [jabiertxof]
* Virtual attendance (e.g. livestream, google hangouts, etc.)
+ If someone sets it up, post explanation on how to get set up
=== GUADEC - Gtk3 ===
* Coming up end of July in Manchester
* Last year they said they could help us with Gtk3 stuff.
* Would be worthwhile if Alex could go, pertaining Gtk3
+ tghs (Mac gtk3) is in Leeds so can make it for attendance
* ACTION: Decide GUADEC attendance [Alex]
=== Sticker Printing by Conservancy ===
* Stickers are designed from the about screen entrants. Artists were
asked if they would be open to having their work printed on stickers.
+ https://inkscape.org/en/~doctormo/%E2%98%85stickers-2017-draw-freely
+ https://inkscape.org/en/~doctormo/%E2%98%85stickers-2017-landscape-inkscape
* Designs were sent to SFC with a $100 budget (vote approved by board)
+ Waiting on Brett to get back to us on it
=== Funded Projects ===
* Various funded feature development ideas were floated during the meeting:
+ 1% zoom limit (chr[])
+ hidpi support (Windows users want this particularly)
+ gtk3 migration may give a native-looking ui for mac os, and many
people would pay for that
* Various fundraising ideas were floated during the meeting:
+ Kickstarter fundraising based on feature sets that people ask for all
the time has worked very well for Krita
- krita succeeds well at advertizing becaue they work with awesome
artists to promote them
- They also deliver things that artists ask for as their primary goal.
+ Donation dummy "add-on" to Inkscape on the Windows store
- ACTION: Propose donation "add-on" for Win10 store to inkscape-devel@ [Mc]
+ Raffle for an inkscape mug and/or t-shirt signed by hackfest devs
- ACTION: Jot signed-mug raffle idea down on Fundraising_Ideas page [CRogers]
+ More ideas are being captured at:
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Fundraising_Ideas
=== Gitlab Migration ===
* General desire is to get it achieved prior to the hackfest
+ The hackfest would be a good opportunity to f2f through the various
followup work-items.
+ But should target getting it done a couple weeks prior, else major
issues could be disruptive of the event.
+ So need to target getting it done in the next week or so.
+ Followup-workitems for post-migration:
- Automating builds
- Fix cmake bzr-isms
- Update builds for windows
- Update builds for mac
- Fix jenkins
- Rewriting inkscape.org to re-document git instead of bzr
* Ted has done some dry runs. The 0.44 branches generate import errors,
but everything else looks happy.
+ Ted wants ~24hr downtime to deal with migration issues, so need to
disable commits for that interim.
+ ACTION: Test the message patch from ML [tedg]
+ ACTION: Announce plan for gitlab migration [tedg]
* plan -- send notice to the list (today?), then 24hr later change
ownership of inkscape.dev's branches or otherwise configure them so
they can't be committed to, run the migration script, do any cleanup,
and if all's well we reopen on gitlab 24 hr after that
+ Branches owned by individuals may need separate attention. People
can continue hosting branches in LP for now, but we might revisit
this later (esp. if/when we wish to close out the Inkscape LP
project.) With gitlab, user branches are kept more separate
(e.g. as forks) but we can import broadly and prune later.
+ Do the migration mid-week, as people seem to use W-E's for devel
* Bug reporting will remain with Launchpad for now.
+ Launchpad's spam problem has been growing...
+ Existing bzr revno references from bug reports will continue to
work, but going forward these will need to start referencing to git
SHA's at gitlab. For now we won't have the easy shortcuts from bug
reports to commits (or vice versa).
+ Non-trivial to import bugs to gitlab.com -- it doesn't permit
setting the bug owners/commenters for one thing.
- might be doable if we ran our own gitlab instance.
- Maybe be acceptable of old bugs/comments are just left owned by
inkscape.dev?
+ ACTION: Discuss scripting ideas for bug migration [Mc, DoctorMo]
+ ACTION: Re-raise topic of bugtracker migration at a future time [Mc]
=== Infrastructure backup/alternate hosting ===
* This effort is in early discussion/planning stage. Bryce and Martin
have been working on it behind the scenes but now ready for some wider
input and thinking.
* Rationale for investigating alternatives:
1. Capacity has been a bit limited with OSUOSL; we've banged our head on
this a few times now.
2. Responsiveness to IT requests has also been pretty slow. Two
infrastructure moves have had to be scuttled/replanned due to
this.
3. Outages occur periodically (generally due to #1 or #2 but
sometimes unrelated).
* Goal is having a primary host, with a second independent host we can
bring up as cold failover in emergencies.
+ Geographically separated, e.g. Europe + Canada/US
+ Backup host would be kept simple - a mirror of the primary that can
be manually switched on as needed.
+ Even if we stick with OSUOSL we still should have another host, just
for best practices in case of failures.
* Current hosting has been 100% sponsor supported. We have budget to
pay for IT support but obviously would prefer sponsor support here.
+ We're not yet ready to start contacting or engaging, but close
=== Funded development project management system ==
* Bryce still plugging away at it
* Manual funding of feature development also possibility
+ This would mainly involve recruiting and vetting developers to take
on one of the already defined and funded projects
+ Also need to track devel progress and completion, and coordinate
payment (via Conservancy)
+ Similar to GSoC but less teaching, and shorter durations
+ ACTION: Help Mc kickoff funded devel of a feature [Bryce]
=== Merchandise Sales ===
* Temporary-run batch T-Shirt sales
+ "Must pass this line, limited sale"
+ Could just use existing logo
+ Need to identify a good quality t-shirt supplier (Cotton Bureau?)
https://cottonbureau.com/submit-a-design
+ ACTION: Propose a batch t-shirt run (e.g. for hackfest) [tedg]
* Spreadshirt
+ On hold, no changes to report
+ Probably time to pick a kickoff date and run with what we have
+ ACTION: Re-contact Mihaela to finish starting up Spreadshirt [doctormon, bryce]
* If anyone wants to take lead on setting up other merchandising
options, contact bryce. We're pretty open to ideas, just need someone
to make arrangements and set up the order/shop/etc.
=== GSoC ===
* Just started this week, first evaluation in a month
* There will be an additional $500 per student for travel costs.
+ Does the board need to be involved in arranging or approving the
expenditures? Probably, since it'll go through conservancy...
+ We'll wait until the issue comes up; board can do a quick enough
vote on it. Contact bryce when you have specifics.
=== How's the Board Doing? ===
* More efficient voting
+ Need quicker turnaround
+ Not all board members are placing votes
+ ACTION: Experiment with first-call / last-call dates on board votes [bryce]
+ ACTION: Check on board member voting [bryce]
* Automation of board work
+ Need tool to upload text files to the website's pastebin
(I.e. to send IRC log snippets of board meetings, w/ metadata)
=== Other Business ===
None
=== Next Meeting ===
Same time & place, July 7th, 2017.
5 years, 12 months
Website / GSOC
by Maren Hachmann
Hi all,
just noticed someone updated the front page for this year's summer of
code (when I wanted to do that).
Was the change meant to be published, or is there a reason why it's not
published yet?
Could any website editors, when they make a change that requires
translation (i.e. not typo corrections), please send a short notice to
the translators mailing list to notify us about the page that has been
changed and the nature of the change?
We don't have any diffs for website edits anymore, and I'd find it
unfortunate if we all had to rely on me noticing any changes for keeping
translations of the website in sync.
Thank you!
Kind Regards,
Maren
5 years, 12 months
GitLab Migration Schedule
by Ted Gould
Howdy folks,
As we've discussed more that once we're looking to move a Bazaar
repositories on Launchpad over to Git repositories on GitLab. We're no
closing in on the time for that migration. We've discussed a schedule in
the board meeting this afternoon and I wanted to make sure everyone is
aware of the plan. We're expecting 24-hours of "downtime" as part of this.
Step 1:
5 years, 12 months
Git Migration
by Martin Owens
Hi Bryce + devs,
I'm a bit worried about the Git migration. I'm a bit impatient ;-) but
we haven't heard much from KK about availability and I'm thinking we
need to plan a contingency.
Thoughts?
Are we planning to get this done at the hackfest?
Best Regards, Martin Owens
5 years, 12 months
last used style
by brynn
Hi Friends,
I've been trying to get my nerve up to ask about this, since I first
used Inkscape, 10 years ago. So here goes.
Can anyone give me a good reason for having all the tools styles set, by
default, to last used style?
In 10 years, I have never met, seen, or heard of anyone who needs this
feature; while we have to answer this same general problem for newbies over and
over and over again. Countless times I've answered these messages. I'll bet I
don't even need to give examples, do I?
I would guess it's the single biggest stumbling block for newbies. It
certainly must be the single most asked question by newbies. At least in
forums, and probably LP Answers.
I can imagine rare scenarios, where someone might actually use this
feature. But if I want an object the exact same style as the one before, I
simply duplicate (or copy/paste, or paste style). So it's a mystery to me why
last used style should be the default behavior, when we have all these other
perfectly suitable features, which don't cause newbies (and those who help them)
so many headaches.
I understand if we might not want to throw it out the window ((although
that's what I would do with it, haha)). But is there any chance we could at
least not have it to be the default behavior?
When we first download and open Inkscape for the first time, all the
tools have a characteristic style. If I recall, it's a pink rectangle, light
blue circle, yellow star, and green spiral, with darker tones for the strokes,
and all partially transparent. And for Pencil and Pen, I guess it's the black
stroke.
Could we just keep those styles, but set all the tools for "This tool's
own style" instead of "Last used style"? And could we have this the default
behavior for when newbies first install Inkscape?
Oh, it would save us SO, so much time, those of us who answer newbie
questions, day in and day out. I'd be so happy to write up a bug/feature
request report for this, if there isn't some serious objection.
Thanks for listening,
brynn
5 years, 12 months
