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[Fwd: <nettime-ann> [event] 19th May: Freestyle - FLOSS In Design]
by Jon Phillips 14 May '04

14 May '04

We are starting to get airtime in art circles. :) Read below for inkscape mention. I met a guy at the pub tonight who had a creative commons shirt on and he new about the new Open Clip Art Library and was so ecstatic to meet someone who is involved in both projects and open content...very interesting... Jon -----Forwarded Message----- > From: matthew fuller <fuller@...353...> > To: nettime-ann@...354... > Subject: <nettime-ann> [event] 19th May: Freestyle - FLOSS In Design > Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:05:15 -0500 > > > Freestyle - FLOSS In Design > > A seminar on Free, Libre and Open Source Software in Design > > Over the last few years 'Free Libre and Open Source Software' FLOSS, a > form of collaborative software development has proven itself as a driving > force of digital networks, especially the internet. Now this approach is > beginning to open up new approaches in design and visual culture. This > seminar will present clear information on this software and how it both > challenges and provides new opportunities for media design. > > Art and design work using computers can often get stuck in the use of the > same old tools. One thing that FLOSS does is to allow for new ideas to > become software on a much faster timescale and with less reliance on > conforming to a 'mass' market. Learning design increasingly means > learning to use the applications of a smaller and smaller amount of > companies. FLOSS offers one possibility for escaping such a trap. > > At the same time FLOSS itself could do with a good dose of design. Born > as it is through the energy and imagination of software developers, FLOSS > can in some cases fall behind in meeting the needs of users who aren't > also programmers. On the one hand this creates an important demand for > greater technical literacy amongst users, but it also means that > interfaces to, for instance, cultural practices, need creating. > > The morning session will present an introduction to FLOSS software in > design. The emphasis is on a realistic survey of the possibilities this > way of working is opening up. > > The afternoon will present a number of case studies. Artists and > designers using FLOSS software will show and talk about the tools they > work with, the culture of use of the software. Software developers will > present their projects and open them up to questions and debate. > > Speakers: > Kit Blake - Silva, content management system, Rotterdam; > http://www.infrae.com > > Erik Dooper - Open Source Software Lab, Amsterdam, will demo Scribus, > SodiPodi and Inkscape. DTP and vector graphics applications. > http://www.ossl.org/ > > Rishab Aiyer Ghosh - Economist and editor of FirstMonday, Maastricht; > http://orbiten.org/rishab.html > > Graham Harwood - artist, London, speaking about The GIMP, image > manipulation software; > http://www.scotoma.org/ > > Jaromil - GNU/Linux developer, South Italy, currently resident at > Montevideo, Amsterdam; Dynebolic, > http://www.dyne.org/ > > Willi LeMaitre & Eric Rosenzweig - PlayList, software tools for > collaborative video work; > http://www.w----e.net > > Roger Teeuwen - Graphic Designer, Rotterdam > > Antoine van de Ven - V2_Lab, Rotterdam, presents V2_Jam, research on > combining and integrating open source media software; http://lab.v2.nl > > Wednesday, May 19 | 10.30 - 17.00hrs | V2 Eendrachtstraat 10 | > Rotterdam > Fee for the day: 5euro, 2.50euro concessions > Advance Reservations: Eliane Roest (V2_), (010) 206 72 72, eliane at > v2.nl > > This seminar is jointly held by: > Media Design Research, Piet Zwart Institute http://pzwart.wdka.hro.nl/ > Interactive Media, Hogeschool van Amsterdam http://www.hva.nl/ > V2_Organisation, Institute for the Unstable Media http://www.v2.nl/ > > STREAM: This seminar will be streamed via http://www.v2.nl/live/ > _______________________________________________ > nettime-ann mailing list > nettime-ann@...354... > http://www.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-ann -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] window layout configurable
by Peter Linnell 14 May '04

14 May '04

> Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 01:27:36 -0700 > From: "Ted Gould" <ted@...11...> > To: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] window layout configurable > > > --=-D6IVPrKjlX/peJPMF1l6 > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Thu, 2004-05-13 at 00:17, bulia byak wrote: > > >2. When saving a document, suggest a name like "untitled.svg". > >=20 > > Ted, is this hard to do? > > Okay, I think that this is in CVS right now. Good idea, but I would extend this a bit more, append a -1 and a function to auto-increment the number to the file name for a given session. <snip> > I also changed it so that > the save directory defaults to your home directory instead of the pwd.=20 > I don't know if that is a good thing or not. It is probably more > intuitive for new users - but it is not how other applications work. > > --Ted Err. No. Very bad behavior IMO. Especially with any kind of program which works with images, art or remotely touches DTP. Why? Once you begin working with any kind of editing tool + DTP, directory organization becomes *really* important. One of the most maddening issues some apps on Win2k/Xp is its stubborn insistence on saving everything into "My Documents" instead of staying in the current working directory. This is a MS default btw. I think the MS way is lame but that's another issue. As a test, I tried hacked the win2k registry to make the "My Documents" silliness disappear - you can :-) Similar behavior with GTK apps is my number one complaint with Gnome/GTK in general. Every app defaults to $home with no possibility to set a default anywhere else. I want inkscape SVG's to be opened and saved into $home/Documents/svg or $home/$client/$project where I have artwork, text and other bits. If I open a file in $home/$client/webproject/images its maddening to make 3,4,5 clicks to save a file with revisions under a different name. When working with images and artwork, it is common to save several revisions to the same core file, but saved under a variation in the base file name. Once Inkscape becomes accepted (not long they way you are progressing..)into the pro designers toolkit, cross-platform network awareness is going to be important. I asked Mental on jabber if it would be possible to specify a default directory to save docs, but he mentioned this might pose a coding issue. Fair enough. Maybe GTK 2.4 will help with this. In Scribus, we shamelessly used the Open Office method of making a home button in the file save dialog, which can be directed anywhere in the prefs. It just works TM. Cheers, Peter "Not wanting to sound whiny about his fav SVG app" Linnell

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] window layout configurable
by bulia byak 14 May '04

14 May '04

>Good idea, but I would extend this a bit more, append a -1 and a >function to auto-increment the number to the file name for a given >session. Agree >Err. No. Very bad behavior IMO. Especially with any kind of program >which works with images, art or remotely touches DTP. Why? > >Once you begin working with any kind of editing tool + DTP, directory >organization becomes *really* important. I agree, but there are different scenarios here: 1 You work on some doc, then do Save As. Naturally it should default to the directory where the previous version was saved. 2 You work on some doc, then do ctrl+n, draw another one, and save. Where? I think again, the directory of the previous document is the best choice. (This might be the same as the directory of the previous save, if that document was saved before you do the new one.) 3 You just open up an empty Inkscape, draw something, and save. There are two possibilities: 3a save where the last save was made (even if it was in a previous session) or 3b save to the current dir. I like 3a better, here's why: If I want a document to be saved in a specific dir which is different from the dir of the last save (or was never before saved to), I want to be able to use a different approach: cd to that dir, run "inkscape newfile", get a messagebox saying "newfile.svg not found in /dir/, create?", answer Yes, and have that document created in that dir. This also needs to be implemented, and when we have it, there will remain no reason to offer to save to the current dir ever. 4 If we go with 3a, the absolutely last resort (when there were no previous saves ever) can be the home dir. So, to summarize, I seem to propose to always offer to save into the dir where the last save was done, and failing that, to the home dir, _except_ maybe when you do Save as of a document (then go to that document's dir) or a first save of a document which was Ctrl+N'ed from another one. (These two exceptions may often give the same results as the "save to last save location" method.) Plus implement the "file creation from commandline" logic. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page � FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Help with more grid problems
by bulia byak 14 May '04

14 May '04

> > No, this is wrong. You almost always want to snap to nodes. In the > > rare case that someone actually wants to snap to the bounding box they > > can use stroke to path to convert the shape to a new set of nodes. > > Please, don't start making preferences for everything! > >Personally, I'd be perfectly happy with this. But as soon as someone says >"I myself use bbox snapping" then I'm ok, in this case, with making it >optional. I agree about keeping preferences down where possible. Let me repeat, I do see lots of use for bbox snapping. When you snap a rect's sides to grid at 0mm and 10mm, you expect that rect to be exactly 10mm wide. With node snapping, it's not. So when I'm exporting a 10mm wide png, my rect will be clipped. (I'm sure someone will one day submit this as a bug, if we make node snapping the default.) Also what do I do if I want a row of rects with different stroke widths to all fit into the same width or height? Actually, why argue - why can't we have both node and bbox snapping enabled all the time? I don't see why this won't work. Surely these snappoints will be close enough to each other, but if you do care at all about what you snap, chances are you work at a magnification high enough to distinguish them. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Help with more grid problems
by bulia byak 13 May '04

13 May '04

>Actually, that example you gave opens another similar issue: snapping >correctly on object creation as well as moving / scaling. But I think >that can be made optional using the same UI as for move / scale snapping. Yes. >IMHO, the point of having /only/ node snapping is that you /don't/ have to >work at a high magnification --- the program takes care of doing what you >expect. Then when you look at things in detail you don't get any nasty >surprises. OK, I agree, but then please provide three options: snapping at bbox, nodes, or both. I like to have the "both" option. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page � FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Help with more grid problems
by bulia byak 13 May '04

13 May '04

>No, this is wrong. You almost always want to snap to nodes. I can see valid uses for both kinds of snapping. >they can use stroke to path to convert the shape to a new set of nodes. >Please, don't start making preferences for everything! I see absolutely no problem with Inkscape becoming the most configurable vector editor ever, even if some options are used by 0.001% of users. Besides their direct value of configurability, options also have educational value: if they're logically named and laid out, looking at the preference dialog page instantly gives you a good idea of the program's capabilities. _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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file open/save dialog
by Artemio 13 May '04

13 May '04

Hello! I noticed that if you have several Inkscape instances, and you fire up a file save or open dialogue with one of them, you cannot close those other instances until you close this open/save dialogue. Artemio. -- ArtemioLabs :.: innovative audio laboratories :.: http://artemiolabs.com [local time 14:27:50 (GMT +3) 13 May 2004] [system uptime 1 hr 19 min]

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] window layout configurable
by bulia byak 13 May '04

13 May '04

>1. "File" toolbar which would repeat the File menu. We even have a patch for this in the RFE tracker: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=902331&group_id=93… However the patch has a button size mismatch with the top panel buttons which looks ugly. Also before we make more than one horizontal toolbar, I want these toolbars to be totally configurable by dragging, so I could e.g. position a number of short toolbars in one row. I think someone mentioned that GTK 2.4 has support for this but we don't use it yet. >2. When saving a document, suggest a name like "untitled.svg". Ted, is this hard to do? _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Help with more grid problems
by Carl Hetherington 13 May '04

13 May '04

Hi, My next grid problem is this: 1. Turn the grid on. 2. Draw a 1x1 square on this grid using the pen tool. Note that the nodes of this square are snapped to the grid. 3. Scale this square using the handles and stop when the scale snaps near a size of 2x2. Now that square's nodes are no longer snapped to the grid. AFAICS this is because the scaling makes use of the sp_item_bbox_desktop(), which includes line widths. It suggests to me that the only way to solve this problem is to have a second bounding box function that considers nodal positions only. Then this could (optionally) be used for scaling. Any thoughts? Have I missed something? Thanks Carl

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[Fwd: [Sodipodi-list] feature request / suggestion]
by Jon Phillips 13 May '04

13 May '04

-----Forwarded Message----- > From: organism@...352... > To: sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [Sodipodi-list] feature request / suggestion > Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:25:57 -0700 > > It would be particularly handy to be able to "lock" the length [or other properties] of a segment [vector between nodes]. > > I envision that if a segment's length were locked, then the movement of one end node would result in a circular motion. This would be very, very handy for constructing precision geometric shapes. > > I can also see how the ability to lock the angle defined by two nodes would be handy as well. The movement of one end node in this circumstance would result in "sliding" the node along a precision vector, allowing the expansion in length of a segment without altering it's angle. > > In other news... still hoping for one day: > Text along a path, and > Text defined by box [meaning the box is resized and the text's breaks are automatically redefined to fit]. > > No complaints, though! I use sodipodi for a tremendous amount of things nowadays! > > --gcr > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: SourceForge.net Broadband > Sign-up now for SourceForge Broadband and get the fastest > 6.0/768 connection for only $19.95/mo for the first 3 months! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=2562&alloc_id=6184&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Sodipodi-list mailing list > Sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sodipodi-list -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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file previews?
by Artemio 13 May '04

13 May '04

Hello there! Well, I was thinking that, what if a preview was available in "open file" dialogue? I know you are using a default gtk dialogue. But maybe you can tweak it to have a preview, ala GIMP 2.0? The top 10 feature requester, Artemio. ;-P -- A-Man :.: new music from Artemio :.: http://a-man.artemio.net [local time 14:32:33 (GMT +3) 13 May 2004] [system uptime 1 hr 24 min]

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download page and win32
by Kees Cook 13 May '04

13 May '04

Can we add http://troi.lincom-asg.com/~rjamison/inkscape/builds/ to the "download.php" list of CVS snapshots? (btw: did the 2004-05-09 autobuild under windows blow up?) -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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popt
by Kees Cook 13 May '04

13 May '04

Is popt available in the win32 builds? I was going to make it a requirement for the build (to close bug 948333). -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Grid-related patches committed for comments
by bulia byak 13 May '04

13 May '04

>1. Removed feature where alt-drag provides a "slow drag" when moving >objects. Has anyone ever used this? It was probably supposed to be used for exact positioning, but now exact positioning is much easier to do via pixel-size arrow-key nudges. >2. When moving objects, alt-drag now moves them without snapping, even if >the grid is enabled. I like that. Except that on linux alt-drag often drags the window. A workaround is to start dragging first and press Alt while dragging. >3. When moving objects with the grid enabled, the current behaviour is to >snap the objects "snap points" to the grid. This patch adds an >alternative behaviour on Shift-drag: moved objects are snapped such that >they keep the offset from the grid that they had before the move. I think this might be useful too... but it sounds like something pretty limited. I wonder if we can think up something more generally useful for shift-drag. Or maybe move "snapless drag" from Alt to Shift and leave Alt alone. >4. When you paste an object it is pasted at the same offset from the grid >as the original. Sounds logical. >5. An option in Inkscape preferences to make (3) the default and the >current behaviour happen on Shift-drag. I think we should just decide which way is better (or whether we need this behavior at all). Providing shortcut configurability for only one shortcut is confusing (why not others?). Also, snapless drag also needs to be enabled for node tool, not only selector. As for a bbox/nodes snapping configuration switch, on a second thought I think it might not be necessary. If you want your nodes to snap, you just switch to node tool and do it there. In node tool you can even move the entire object by its nodes - press Ctrl-A to select all nodes and drag any one. The only thing you cannot do in node edit is scaling (although this may become possible in the future, see RFE 910817), but for scaling, you usually want to restrict the overall bbox, so the current selector behavior is appropriate. Am I missing something? _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com

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list of arrows looks strange (snapshot 20040510)
by Artemio 13 May '04

13 May '04

Hello there! The list of arrows in "stroke style" looks strange (snapshot 20040510) - see the attachment. Artemio. -- ArtemioLabs :.: innovative audio laboratories :.: http://artemiolabs.com [local time 19:32:59 (GMT +3) 12 May 2004] [system uptime 1 hr 17 min]

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window layout configurable
by bulia byak 13 May '04

13 May '04

Something I was planning to do since long ago... * The document window layout is completely configurable. Via the View menu commands, you can show or hide menu, top panel, toolbox, rulers, scrollbars, and the statusbar. These settings are saved across sessions, separately for normal and fullscreen modes. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Help with more grid problems
by bulia byak 12 May '04

12 May '04

>Also, on the topic of weird things happening when you resize stroked >boxes, another technical drawing 'mis-feature' worth figuring out a good >alternative solution for is how the stroke width is scaled. Normally >when doing a technical drawing you will want to scale some boxes but >maintain a consistent line width on everything. It would be valuable to >have an option in preferences to control whether stroke width is scaled >with object scaling or not. This is done for as long as 2 days today :) Update your CVS :) (See Transforms tab in the Prefs dialog) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Locale issues and .mo files
by Peter Linnell 12 May '04

12 May '04

Hi, It seems the locale issues Bulia and pjrm were working on last are sorted. Testing current CVS with fr_FR works as expected. Cheers, Peter

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Grid-related patches committed for comments
by Carl Hetherington 12 May '04

12 May '04

Hi, I've committed a couple of patches to the grid behaviour, after discussion with Buila on jabber. If anyone has problems, please say so and I'll fix or back out the patch. 1. Removed feature where alt-drag provides a "slow drag" when moving objects. 2. When moving objects, alt-drag now moves them without snapping, even if the grid is enabled. 3. When moving objects with the grid enabled, the current behaviour is to snap the objects "snap points" to the grid. This patch adds an alternative behaviour on Shift-drag: moved objects are snapped such that they keep the offset from the grid that they had before the move. 4. When you paste an object it is pasted at the same offset from the grid as the original. 5. An option in Inkscape preferences to make (3) the default and the current behaviour happen on Shift-drag. My rationale for (3), in case anyone's interested: It's basically for doing simple line drawings. Draw a simple shape made out of straight lines, some of whose points are snapped to the grid. Now if you move this object around, the bounding box of this object will be snapped, rather than the points themselves. This means that the line position plus its width will be snapped. If you then try to draw another line which joins to the object you've just moved, the new line's points will be snapped. Hence the old object and new line will not meet up, being offset by half the line width. It's possible that this would be better implemented by improving Inkscape's ideas of what "snap points" are, but the end result would be similar. Thanks Carl

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current snapshot is amazing!!! but here are some issues...
by Artemio 12 May '04

12 May '04

Hello there! I just installed the 20040510 snapshot - the things you guys have done with "clone", "inkscape preferences" and stroke style are very cool and useful. Thanks! There are several things I'd like to note though. 1. Look at the snapshot (attached). Some drop-down lists are smaller-sized but the font is still sized as in bigger widgets, and on muy system I can't see the current selected option. 2. Printer command is not yet stored :-( 3. It is the most minor issue, but it looks like Inkscape now closes and opens it's window on startup and on opening new files. It is fairly okay, but this makes a sort of blinking so maybe there's a better way to make this "virgin" tag work instead of killing the previous instance. Or maybe I just don't understand something ;-) Good luck and thanks for your great work! Artemio. -- ArtemioLabs :.: innovative audio laboratories :.: http://artemiolabs.com [local time 16:48:51 (GMT +3) 11 May 2004] [system uptime 43 min]

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AW: [Inkscape-devel] download page and win32
by Taraben, Adib 12 May '04

12 May '04

Yes I can confirm this behaviour. Look at .inkscape\\makefile.mingw It is copied to config.h in the make-proccess. HTH, Adib. ----------------------------------- > > Can someone verify that the windows build is correctly updating > "config.h": the g_ascii_strtod macro isn't being defined in the > autobuilds, it looks like. AFAIK the windows build uses inkscape/config.h.mingw as its config.h. Anything that needs to be in config.h must be added here, I think. Carl

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AW: [Inkscape-devel] Looking for icons
by Taraben, Adib 12 May '04

12 May '04

The icons are located in the icons.svg file. Each single icon is in his own group. This is the original source of the separate icon files. HTH, Adib. ________________________________ Von: inkscape-devel-admin(a)lists.sourceforge.net im Auftrag von Cédric GEMY Gesendet: Mi 12.05.2004 12:38 An: Inkscape devel list Betreff: [Inkscape-devel] Looking for icons I've taken the icons dir of Inkscape, but I'm surprise not to find the uptodate ones. I need them to update the manual from Sodipodi to Inkscape. Where can I find them. May be bulya has some ? Cedric ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Sleepycat Software Learn developer strategies Cisco, Motorola, Ericsson & Lucent use to deliver higher performing products faster, at low TCO. http://www.sleepycat.com/telcomwpreg.php?From=dnemail3 _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Looking for icons
by Cédric GEMY 12 May '04

12 May '04

I've taken the icons dir of Inkscape, but I'm surprise not to find the uptodate ones. I need them to update the manual from Sodipodi to Inkscape. Where can I find them. May be bulya has some ? Cedric

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export selection in 20040510 snapshot
by Artemio 12 May '04

12 May '04

Hi everybody! "Export selection" in the 20040510 snapshot always exports the whole page anyway. Artemio. -- A-Man :.: new music from Artemio :.: http://a-man.artemio.net [local time 12:33:13 (GMT +3) 12 May 2004] [system uptime 4 hr 28 min]

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AW: [Inkscape-devel] popt
by Taraben, Adib 12 May '04

12 May '04

There is a popt lib on sourceforge for the gcc on http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/popt.htm never tried Adib. ________________________________ Von: inkscape-devel-admin(a)lists.sourceforge.net im Auftrag von Kees Cook Gesendet: Mi 12.05.2004 00:42 An: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net Betreff: [Inkscape-devel] popt Is popt available in the win32 builds? I was going to make it a requirement for the build (to close bug 948333). -- Kees Cook @outflux.net ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Sleepycat Software Learn developer strategies Cisco, Motorola, Ericsson & Lucent use to deliver higher performing products faster, at low TCO. http://www.sleepycat.com/telcomwpreg.php?From=osdnemail3 _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] bad transparency export
by bulia byak 11 May '04

11 May '04

>I'm using the build from 6th of May... and the export of gradient with >transparency is somewhat messed up when you make excessive use of it... >it works fine, if you have a background color to export. >picture one is with white as bg color exported, picture two is with the >background filled in gimp. >Does anybody have the same problem or can reproduce it? I do not see any attachments in your mail. Please submit a bug report with your samples. I just tried exporting gradients with transparency and don't see any problems. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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bad transparency export
by David Christian Berg 11 May '04

11 May '04

Hi guys, I'm using the build from 6th of May... and the export of gradient with transparency is somewhat messed up when you make excessive use of it... it works fine, if you have a background color to export. picture one is with white as bg color exported, picture two is with the background filled in gimp. Does anybody have the same problem or can reproduce it? David -- Otto von Bismarck once remarked: “A fool learns from his experience. A wise person learns from the experience of others.” If so, how to define President George W. Bush, who is not even able to learn from his own experience?

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bitmap fill patch
by bulia byak 10 May '04

10 May '04

Simarilius, I finally reviewed your pattern fill patch. It works :) - Why does it only work for bitmaps? AFAIK the mechanism is pretty similar for fills out of SVG objects, so why not enable them as well. - I would expect it to show me the bitmaps imported into the document in the list as well, not only those i specifically import from the dialog. - Most importantly, there's no way to adjust the position of the bitmap inside a path. Ideally I would like to see on-canvas handles that would let me to arbitrarily move, scale, rotate, and skew the fill inside the path, but for the patch to be usable, _at least_ move must be implemented. You may try to create an arena in the dialog, similar to those in the gradient tabs, that would show the bbox rect of the object and a draggable handle that positions the fill's top left corner (you can steal most of the code from gradient tabs). - A related bug that must be fixed: objects that write transforms with optimization, such as path, do not update the position of the fill. So that looks like you're moving a window into an unmoving wall of repeating bitmap tiles. Non-optimizing objects (ellipse) work as expected, transforming their fill with them. Better yet, it would be nice to have a switch that would allow me to enable any of these two behaviors for any object. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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unable to open files
by David Christian Berg 10 May '04

10 May '04

with todays build I can't open files... instead they are always linked as images in a new document. this sucks David

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] crazy idea: map ourselves
by bulia byak 10 May '04

10 May '04

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] crazy idea: map ourselves
by Lucas Vieites 10 May '04

10 May '04

El lun, 10-05-2004 a las 08:09, Kees Cook escribió: [...] > appearing on such a thing send me their long/lat (or an address I can go > convert). I think it would be cool to see an "about" screen (or even a > "users of inkscape" map) that shows what a diverse set of places we come > from. Reserve me a square yard at: 42º 30' N 8º 04' W -- Lucas Vieites Fariña Asix Informática <info@...212...> http://www.asixinformatica.com/ Tel/Fax: +34 986 54 26 98

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NRArenaShape and SPStyle
by MenTaLguY 10 May '04

10 May '04

Just a quick heads up that I'm working on removing the SPStyle dependency from NRArenaShape. This should permit a cleaner separation between the renderer and the SPItem layer, as well as making future style cleanups much easier... -mental

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RE: typeset
by bulia byak 09 May '04

09 May '04

>dx/dy and letterspacing are not the way i intend to >store glyph coordinates in the layout; x/y attributes >are. Why? The most likely failure scenario is that the font used originally is not found or has different metrics. In this case, using letter/word spacing will result in wrong line lengths, but the text itself will remain readable. Using x/y will _almost_ (but not quite, due to the last letter) preserve line lengths, but may render text ugly or even completely unreadable, with letters overlapping each other etc. I think the first case (wrong line lengths) is much preferable to the second. Besides, line/word spacing settings per line take much less space in the source file. this is just a preliminary test to see if >something is badly fucked up. note that on this >sample, inkscape screws up somewhere in the advance of >glyphs, since it ends with a total length smaller than >what pango computes, hence the letterspacing (ie. the >dx attribute) doesn't compensate fully and the right >of the text is not the right of the text shape > > > 4 Currently your sample works in Batik, but crashes > > Inkscape on load :) > >i'm a 'printf debugger', so this is normal output. but >it works fine here. maybe some messing up with >deleting the children of the group or something like >that. also note that inkscape will not render the text >correctly when loading, because it can't get the >shape's curve (since the element it queries for the >shape is initialized after it), but as soon as you >change the shape, it will layout the text (in the >shape before the change, so this is still fucked up, >but hopefully i'll find a way around) > > > > > > >Vous manquez d�espace pour stocker vos mails ? >Yahoo! Mail : 6 Mo gratuits ! >Cr�ez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ > >Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis gr�ce � Yahoo! Messenger !T�l�chargez >Yahoo! Messenger sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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wow, this is amazing!
by Artemio 09 May '04

09 May '04

Hello guys! Bryce is so fast! ;-) -> http://inkscape.org/screenshots/examples/web_design/ <- Thanks so much! I'm so proud of myself ;-) You inspired me to send you more shots!!! ;-) I hope to send you shots for lilija.com.ua tomorrow!!! THANKS!!!! Artemio. -- KDEvibes :.: audio environment for KDE :.: http://kdevibes.artemio.net [local time 22:36:16 (GMT +3) 9 May 2004] [system uptime 14 min]

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RE: typeset
by bulia byak 09 May '04

09 May '04

Fred, Now that I see your sample, it's truly grand. Something like that we were contemplating with njh some time ago, but it seemed like a long time away :) A few points: 1 Why don't you use standard URIs for linking the typeset group with its shape? i.e. instead of non-standard inkscape:dstShape="[rect1525]" I propose inkscape:dstShape="#rect1525" which will allow you to use the standard URIReference class. 2 You use dx for spacing the line, but since all dx values are the same, it's much easier to add a letter-spacing property, e.g.: style="font-family:Luxi Sans;font-size:12.000000;letter-spacing:0.345123" That will work out of the box. Still better would be using word-spacing for small stretches, and add some letter-spacing when stretch becomes too large (with user-settable threshold). The word-spacing property is not yet supported, but it's easy to add it - just let me know and I'll implement it. 3 When all dy values are 0, you don't need to set the dy vector at all. 4 Currently your sample works in Batik, but crashes Inkscape on load :) typeset 82e0910: n src= The Digital Millennium Copyright Act, better known as the DMCA, is a travesty of law. The act (summary available here in PDF form) was passed in 1998 and since this period of time it has been used in the most egregious ways to shut down Fair Use and competition in the marketplace. From being used to justify illegal subpoenas, to making reverse engineering easily preventable, to shutting down toner cartridge competition, to killing off Fair Use, the law is a major blow to consumer interests. While some uses of the DMCA have met stiff rebuttals from the judiciary (e.g., Lexmark toner ploy was defeated for now), the law remains in need of revocation or serious reworking. Here's the beef: ditch typeset 82e0910: n shape dst= [rect1525] ** (inkscape:20246): CRITICAL **: file desktop-handles.cpp: line 40 (SPDocument* sp_desktop_document(SPDesktop*)): assertion `desktop != NULL' failed ** ERROR **: file document-undo.cpp: line 77 (void sp_document_maybe_done(SPDocument*, const gchar*)): assertion failed: (doc != NULL) aborting... _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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"ugly icons" problem
by Kees Cook 09 May '04

09 May '04

Well! It looks like g_ascii_strtod is NOT totally locale safe! What a shame. Here are the reports from my debugging of src/svg/svg-affine.cpp, sp_svg_transform_read: Under "C" locale: took 1 chars from '1,0,0,0.999999,4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 1.000000 took 1 chars from '0,0,0.999999,4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 0.000000 took 1 chars from '0,0.999999,4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 0.000000 took 8 chars from '0.999999,4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 0.999999 took 11 chars from '4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 0.000000 took 12 chars from '-1.09524e-06)' to make -0.000001 Under "fr_FR" locale: took 3 chars from '1,0,0,0.999999,4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 1,000000 took 3 chars from '0,0.999999,4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 0,000000 took 7 chars from '.999999,4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 0,999999 took 11 chars from '4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 0,000000 took 12 chars from '-1.09524e-06)' to make -0,000001 Yuck! (And it works correctly under "LANG=fr_FR LC_NUMERIC=C", further proving it to be locale-sensitive.) And, checking the most recent CVS of gstrfuncs.c in the gnome cvs: * glib/gstrfuncs.c (g_ascii_strtod): Fix problems when a locale-specific decimal separator directly follows a number. (#138424, Nickolay V. Shmyrev) -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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bitmap fill patch
by bulia byak 09 May '04

09 May '04

Simarilius, I finally reviewed your pattern fill patch. It works :) - Why does it only work for bitmaps? AFAIK the mechanism is pretty similar for fills out of SVG objects, so why not enable them as well. - I would expect it to show me the bitmaps imported into the document in the list as well, not only those i specifically import from the dialog. - Most importantly, there's no way to adjust the position of the bitmap inside a path. Ideally I would like to see on-canvas handles that would let me to arbitrarily move, scale, rotate, and skew the fill inside the path, but for the patch to be usable, _at least_ move must be implemented. You may try to create an arena in the dialog, similar to those in the gradient tabs, that would show the bbox rect of the object and a draggable handle that positions the fill's top left corner (you can steal most of the code from gradient tabs). - A related bug that must be fixed: objects that write transforms with optimization, such as path, do not update the position of the fill. So that looks like you're moving a window into an unmoving wall of repeating bitmap tiles. Non-optimizing objects (ellipse) work as expected, transforming their fill with them. Better yet, it would be nice to have a switch that would allow me to enable any of these two behaviors for any object. _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] unable to open files
by bulia byak 08 May '04

08 May '04

>So basically I'm stuck with two versions of inkscape that aren't working >for me, right now... I just installed the latest debian-package, >.38.1-something, and it crashes on me everytime, I try to open the "fill >and stroke" dialog :( Bug reports with complete details and backtraces would be appreciated. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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can't save document bg colour changes
by Artemio 08 May '04

08 May '04

Hello all! If I open an SVG file, then modify the document bg colour, and press Ctrl+S, I get that "No changes need to be saved". So in order to change the bg and save the file, I have to move some object back and forth and then Inkscape saves everything well as "there are changes needed to be saved" ;-) So the obvious solution would probably be to toggle the "modified" status on document bg colour change. Artemio. -- A-Man :.: new music from Artemio :.: http://a-man.artemio.net [local time 19:34:57 (GMT +3) 7 May 2004] [system uptime 2 hr 33 min]

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] unable to open files
by bulia byak 08 May '04

08 May '04

>The program 'inkscape' received an X Window System error. I recently got this error when it was trying to display a dasharray with too small dashes and failed. Try removing/renaming your ~/.inkscape/preferences.xml and run it again. Also this error is fixed in CVS since yesterday, update to the latest CVS and try again. I assume this refers to the error where it crashes displaying the Fill&Stroke dialog. Your error with opening files is still a mystery. Please provide more information. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] remaining locale problems?
by bulia byak 08 May '04

08 May '04

>Oops. I (think I have) sent a few screenshots to the list some time >ago. Did anyone receive that attachment? The list was being malfunctioning recently. >I will build from CVS and file a bug report now (if still needed). >Speaking of locale stuff, there's one more thing: are tutorial file >names >localizable now? Not too long ago they seemed to not be. This is likely a regression caused by converting tutorial commands to verbs. Kees should look into it, as it was his change. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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vector graphics + M$
by Jon Phillips 08 May '04

08 May '04

Hello all, I wondered if you all checked out this: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6978 Talk about the new MS vector graphics system and new windowing. You can see how SVG will be pushed around in the future. All the more reason to push SVG and Inkscape between now and before AVALON and the new WINDOWS is released. This adds new urgency to the cause. Man, why can't M$ just go along with some open standards! Arg!!! Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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remaining locale problems?
by bulia byak 07 May '04

07 May '04

Hi Arpad, I seem to have missed your mail with screenshots of the remaining locale-related problems. Once again: if you don't get a response on the list soon, _please_ submit a bug report with all the relevant info. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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example Inkscape works
by Artemio 07 May '04

07 May '04

Hello there! Once again I must admit how happy I am to use Inkscape - it has become no. 1 application that I use - see the attachment if you need proof ;-) Here is the list of example sites created by me, that use graphics by Inkscape. http://artemio.net My home site. The interface has actually been drawn in sodipodi (as I didn't know about Inkscape when I was creating thisone), but the rest (the icons on the main page etc.) is all by Inkscape. http://artemiolabs.com My audio laboratory site. 100% Inkscape. http://lilija.com.ua (in Russian) The site of a florictic shop where my sister works. 100% Inkscape. Note: all images were cut and JPEG'd with the GIMP (you guessed). Also, you guys mentioned that we, the users, can send you the screenshots of how we use Inkscape? I think it would be nice if, for example, you create a page on your site with a screnshot showing Inkscape at work and the web site that uses these graphics. If you need such a thing - just tell me. Thanks again for the best graphic editor ever and happy development! Artemio. -- A-Man :.: new music from Artemio :.: http://a-man.artemio.net [local time 18:31:08 (GMT +3) 7 May 2004] [system uptime 1 hr 30 min]

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Re: Inkscape-devel digest, Vol 1 #369 - 7 msgs
by Danni Coy 07 May '04

07 May '04

On Wednesday 05 May 2004 03:03, inkscape-devel-request(a)lists.sourceforge.net wrote: > How would you accomplish this in a way that would be intuitive, yet not > easy to do accidentally? If I read right, you're tired of Shift Clicking 2 > Objects and then using Union? I'm not sure how you would accomplish this in > a way that's not going to be frustrating for someone who might do it > unintentionally. > > Explain further? Why don't you submit a patch so we can play around with > it? > > Dan Ostrowski Yup... Basically I am thinking at this stage that an a new Context be created (Composite tool). By default a small circle would be created. When a drag action is happening there would be a reasonably lange yellow border around it to indicate that it is not a normal shape. Shapes droped into the Yellow zone would Union with the shape or subtract if a modifier key was pressed inside the drop zone. -- If you're going to America, bring your own food. -- Fran Lebowitz, "Social Studies"

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] prefix.cpp pthreads dependency
by MenTaLguY 06 May '04

06 May '04

On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 06:54, John Cliff wrote: > I fixed my build by dling the win32 pthreads from here > http://sources.redhat.com/pthreads-win32/ > > dont know if the added dep is worth it for the windows > build or not but it gets it building again :) I think I'd rather not include the pthreads stuff for long if we can help it -- I'm worried it could conflict with glib's windows threads wrapper at some point. -mental

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marker news
by bulia byak 06 May '04

06 May '04

I fixed marker previews. Now all markers (no matter where they come from, i.e. both from the current document and from markers.svg) are automatically shown with their icons in the start/mid/end menus in the Fill&Stroke dialog. No need to provide a preview object in markers.svg; that file needs only contain the markers themselves in <defs>. Simarilius wrote a small tutorial on how to create new markers. It's in share/tutorials/making_markers.svg. It's not in the menu because it's supposed to be temporary until we have a GUI facility for doing the same in a convenient way. I also tweaked markers.svg: provided 3 coordinated sizes for most useful markers, removed some not-so-useful ones, and generally cleaned them up. I would add more markers, but the menus become difficult to handle when they grow too long. What we need instead is a palette-like widget where marker icons can be shown in several rows/columns. _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Bliss: A nice article on-line about Inkscape and friends
by Peter Linnell 06 May '04

06 May '04

Hi all, Just a quick note with a link about an article why FLOSS coder code: http://niyam.com/gnulinux/lfy/fy/FY-monthly-col.php?article_body=FYmay2k4.h… Very well written in my opinion, by an ex Editor of PC World and well-known tech writer in India. Enjoy, Peter

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removal of private-fonts and libarikkei
by MenTaLguY 06 May '04

06 May '04

Just a heads-up that I've removed the "private-fonts" private font installation facility. Anyone who had needed it in the past it will probably find their system's native font management facilities easier and more flexible at this point. Fontconfig has brought unix font management a long, long way. Also of note, libarikkei has been removed from the tree as it is no longer used. -mental

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] [patch] Fix the relocatable build
by bulia byak 05 May '04

05 May '04

>Having said that, you now have to remember that you can't use the C >preprocessor to build paths anymore. Here is a patch to fix the CVS >relocatable build. Thanks, applied. Please always put patches to the tracker, for they can be easily lost in the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] removal of nr_arena_item_new()
by bulia byak 05 May '04

05 May '04

> > I removed nr_arena_item_new() today and replaced it with calls to > > NRArenaWhatever::clear() static members. Now opening any file with text crashes with multiple asserts: File display/nr-arena-glyphs.cpp line 761 (?): Assertion NR_IS_ARENA_GLYPHS_GROUP (gg) failed File libnr/nr-object.cpp line 55 (?): Assertion nr_type_is_a (((NRObject *) ip)->klass->type, tc) failed Mental, please do not commit changes without doing at least basic "runs and loads" type tests. One thing which would be very easy for you to do is to collect a number of various files (including tutorials, keys.svg, etc) in a directory and, when you're about to commit, run "inkscape *" in that directory to make sure it loads them OK. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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compiling problem
by David Christian Berg 04 May '04

04 May '04

Probably I'm just missing some sort of libary or something, but I can't tell. Can anyone tell me, how to fix this problem (see below), without manually copying those files? Thanx in advance David ./autogen.sh --------------------------------------------------------------------- I am testing that you have the required versions of libtool, autoconf, automake, glib-gettextize and intltoolize. This test is not foolproof, so if anything goes wrong, see the file HACKING for more information... checking for autoconf >= 2.52 ... yes (version 2.59) checking for automake >= 1.7 ... yes (version 1.7.9) checking for glib-gettextize >= 2.0.0 ... yes (version 2.4.1) checking for intltool >= 0.17 ... yes (version 0.30) configure.in: installing `./install-sh' configure.in: installing `./mkinstalldirs' configure.in: installing `./missing' configure.in:5: installing `./config.guess' configure.in:5: installing `./config.sub' Makefile.am: installing `./INSTALL' configure.in:25: required file `./ltmain.sh' not found src/Makefile.am: installing `./depcomp' libtoolize: copying file `./config.guess' libtoolize: copying file `./config.sub' libtoolize: copying file `./ltmain.sh' libtoolize: copying file `./ltoptions.m4' libtoolize: copying file `./ltsugar.m4' libtoolize: copying file `./ltversion.m4' libtoolize: copying file `./libtool.m4' Copying file po/Makefile.in.in Please add the files codeset.m4 gettext.m4 glibc21.m4 iconv.m4 isc-posix.m4 lcmessage.m4 progtest.m4 from the /usr/share/aclocal directory to your autoconf macro directory or directly to your aclocal.m4 file. You will also need config.guess and config.sub, which you can get from ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/config/. patching file po/Makefile.in.in ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- and for make: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- make[2]: *** [inkscape] Error 63 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/david/develop/inkscape-20040503/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/david/develop/inkscape-20040503' make: *** [all] Error 2

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Further Ideas for the UI
by Danni Coy 04 May '04

04 May '04

Just something that popped into my head over night. Basically I am thinking of a way of creating composite shapes by dragging other shapes onto a receptive shape. The default action would be Union, but Intersection and Difference should should be available through modifier keys. The internal representation would be non destructive until convert to curves is used. NODE_EDIT mode would allow the component objects to be edited. Also is anybody working on Layers or an Object Manager. -- I must get out of these wet clothes and into a dry Martini. -- Alexander Woolcott

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Greetings [Small Changes - were to submit]
by Danni Coy 03 May '04

03 May '04

I have added a few behaviours to Inkscape (basically workflow speedups): 1) In SELECT mode double clicking on an object brings that object into NODE_EDIT mode. 2) In NODE_EDIT mode double clicking on anything but a knot changes to SELECT MODE 3) Double clicking on a knot in NODE_EDIT mode deletes that knot. Behaviours I plan to add: 1) Double clicking on line segment between to knots adds a point where clicked. 2) CTRL + SPACEBAR + DRAG OBJECT creates duplicate of object in new location. 3) ALT + SPACEBAR + DRAG OBJECT creates a clone of object in new location. Anyway I was wondering how to submit the changes I have made. Thanks Danni

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Re: inkscape 0.38.1 patch
by Bryce Harrington 03 May '04

03 May '04

Thanks Tomasz, this sounds very cool, and something many have needed. I've posted it to the Inkscape patch tracker. In the future please feel free to post there directly; the developers check it often. :-) http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=93438&atid=604308 Someone will test out the patch and add it to the codebase soon, or provide some feedback to you if they have questions. Bryce On Mon, 3 May 2004, Tomasz Maka wrote: > > Hello, > > I have written a patch for inkscape 0.38.1 for different > paper sizes (30 schemes) and orientation (portrait, landscape). > > grab it here: > > http://clay.ll.pl/repository/inkscape-0.38.1-paper_size_orientation.gz > > Hope you like it... > > > greets, > tomek > >

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Greetings [Small Changes - were to submit]
by bulia byak 03 May '04

03 May '04

>I have added a few behaviours to Inkscape (basically workflow speedups): >1) In SELECT mode double clicking on an object brings that object into >NODE_EDIT mode. >2) In NODE_EDIT mode double clicking on anything but a knot changes to >SELECT >MODE Fine with me. I think that makes sense. >3) Double clicking on a knot in NODE_EDIT mode deletes that knot. What's wrong with the current ctrl+click that does the same? >Behaviours I plan to add: >1) Double clicking on line segment between to knots adds a point where >clicked. I would prefer that to also be ctrl+click so that its meaning would be "toggle node on/off". However it's not too straightforward algorithmically. We have had plans to add this for a long time, but currently the plan is to switch the nodepaths to a new representation (being worked on by njh and fred) and then add some advanced functions such as adding node in arbitrary position and dragging a bezier by any point on the curve. If you can do any of this right now, of course, it would be great. >2) CTRL + SPACEBAR + DRAG OBJECT creates duplicate of object in new >location. >3) ALT + SPACEBAR + DRAG OBJECT creates a clone of object in new location. Why not just spacebar for copy (as now) and alt-spacebar for clone? >Anyway I was wondering how to submit the changes I have made. Please submit a patch to the tracker. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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vector aesthetics
by Jon Phillips 03 May '04

03 May '04

Hello all, I've been working on a writing for a little while about what I'm calling "vector aesthetics," which is a feature-based look at vector graphics and design styles that are influenced by vector graphics. I'm trying to get some eyes on the writing and some edits/fixes from these lovely knowledgeable communities. http://cvsbook.ucsd.edu/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?VectorAesthetics I'm trying to develop a large picture view of SVG, Flash, why SVG is important and how the art/aesthetics of SVG relates and is defined. The final text will be included in a book I'm trying to get published (in the future). Read more here: http://cvsbook.ucsd.edu/cgi-bin/wiki.pl if interested. There are various sections in the writing which are important for our communities to understand/look-at and is one of the reasons why I have been working on these texts, as I think we need to zoom out and look at the big picture of what we are working on, SVG, INKSCAPE, Clipart, and OSS, and see where it is at in the aesthetic and technical landscapes. Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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prefix.cpp pthreads dependency
by MenTaLguY 03 May '04

03 May '04

prefix.cpp introduced a pthreads dependency that is breaking us on Win32... Any suggestions on how to proceed? I do think we ought to be able to use it in a threadsafe configuration, but it should be using the Glib threading wrappers for portability. -mental

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Status May 2, 2004
by Bryce Harrington 03 May '04

03 May '04

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] statusbar API
by bulia byak 03 May '04

03 May '04

>I think what I want to do initially is have SPView provide two "virtual" >methods (we'll need to use the GObject vtable for now rather than real >virtual methods): > > StatusMessageID SPView::postStatusMessage(StatusMessageType type, bool >flash, gchar const *message); > > void SPView::cancelStatusMessage(StatusMessageID id); > >StatusType would be an enum indicating the "style" of the message -- >warnings might get a little warning icon next to them, etc... > >postStatusMessage returns an id which can be later used to cancel the >status message with cancelStatusMessage. I.e. that is different from the current system in that you added a style param and use an id to cancel messages. I don't see any problems with that, except that I don't see much use for the style param currently, and I also want to preserve the current pop function (popping whatever is at the top of the stack without an id) as well, because in many situations (such as dragging or navigating in menu) there's really no need to fiddle with ids. That would be extra work for no extra benefit, for in these cases nothing can conceivable overlay the message that you just pushed up. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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statusbar API cont'd
by MenTaLguY 03 May '04

03 May '04

Okay, here's the second half of my thinking on the statusbar stuff. Basically, a class that looks something like this: class StatusMessageContext { public: StatusBarContext(SPView *view) : _view(view), _message_id(NULL_MESSAGE_ID) { g_object_ref(G_OBJECT(_view)); } ~StatusBarContext() { cancel(); g_object_unref(G_OBJECT(_view)); } void post(StatusMessageType type, gchar const *message) { cancel(); _message_id = _view->postStatusMessage(type, false, message); } void flash(StatusMessageType type, gchar const *message) { _view->postStatusMessage(type, true, message); } void cancel() { if (_message_id) { _view->cancelStatusMessage(_message_id); _message_id = NULL_MESSAGE_ID; } } void postF(StatusMessageType type, gchar const *format, ...) { ... etc ... } void flashF(StatusMessageType type, gchar const *format, ...) { ... etc ... } private: SPView *_view; StatusMessageID _message_id; }; The idea being that everybody can have their own StatusMessageContext (e.g. a SPSelectContext has one, and a seltrans has one, etc..). Then they can simply pretend they have the statusbar all to themselves, but it will do the right thing for all concerned behind the scenes. Comments? -mental

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RE: [Inkscape-user] ~/.inkscape/private-fonts
by bulia byak 03 May '04

03 May '04

>Now that we're using Gtk2, "normal" font installation is easy even on >Unix (put your fonts in ~/.fonts). > >Would anyone object if we removed support for the "private-fonts" file? >I don't think we have a need to maintain our own font >installation/management mechanism anymore. No problem for me. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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~/.inkscape/private-fonts
by MenTaLguY 02 May '04

02 May '04

Now that we're using Gtk2, "normal" font installation is easy even on Unix (put your fonts in ~/.fonts). Would anyone object if we removed support for the "private-fonts" file? I don't think we have a need to maintain our own font installation/management mechanism anymore. -mental

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removal of nr_arena_item_new()
by MenTaLguY 02 May '04

02 May '04

I removed nr_arena_item_new() today and replaced it with calls to NRArenaWhatever::clear() static members. That should clear the field for you to do some more C++ification work there. -mental

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statusbar API
by MenTaLguY 02 May '04

02 May '04

I've been thinking about your suggestions re: the statusbar stuff... I think what I want to do initially is have SPView provide two "virtual" methods (we'll need to use the GObject vtable for now rather than real virtual methods): StatusMessageID SPView::postStatusMessage(StatusMessageType type, bool flash, gchar const *message); void SPView::cancelStatusMessage(StatusMessageID id); StatusType would be an enum indicating the "style" of the message -- warnings might get a little warning icon next to them, etc... postStatusMessage returns an id which can be later used to cancel the status message with cancelStatusMessage. If 'flash' is true, the message is automatically cancelled after a period of time. Cancelling an already cancelled message does no harm. These two methods will be the building blocks on top of which a "friendlier" (e.g. printf formatting and other amenities) API would be built. But details on that will have to wait for later tonight. -mental

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Wiki
by Arpad Biro 02 May '04

02 May '04

Hi, It seems someone has put some inappropriate stuff into the Inkscape Wiki: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiSyntax Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

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Tidbits
by Peter Linnell 30 Apr '04

30 Apr '04

Hi all, Just some quick notes (hopefully) of interest: I have sucessfully compiled the last few days of cvs with the final release of GCC 3.4. The code clean-up by mental and others has resulted in much faster compiling and far fewer warnings - even with -Wall switched on. CGG 3.4 seems faster compiling c++ code, but is much more strict about c++ code. I have updated the wiki wrt Interoperability. Discussed on jabber is: Possibility of harmonizing some keyboard short cuts. Color sets - Scribus now has four. Cheers, Peter

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by bulia byak 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

>OK, the difference between the 2004-04-10 05:00 (good) and the >2004-04-10 06:00 (bad) versions are in inkscape.cpp and in main.cpp. >Downgrading inkscape.cpp in the 06 tree to the 05 version does not >solve the problem, but downgrading main.cpp DOES. I just replaced all atof() and strtod() with g_ascii_strtod() which is locale independent. Please try the CVS and see if this fixes your problem (Arpad, you have the developer access and thus can check the up-to-the-minute CVS, others will have to wait until tomorrow because anon CVS lags behind). _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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[patch] Put description in .desktop file
by Mike Hearn 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

Hi, Yes there is no specific standard for this, but the general consensus seems to be "Name Description" for non-core desktop apps. Index: inkscape.desktop.in =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/inkscape.desktop.in,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 inkscape.desktop.in --- inkscape.desktop.in 16 Nov 2003 23:16:13 -0000 1.2 +++ inkscape.desktop.in 28 Apr 2004 21:17:28 -0000 @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ [Desktop Entry] -_Name=Inkscape +_Name=Inkscape SVG Vector Illustrator _Comment=SVG Vector Illustrator Encoding=UTF-8

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Tutorials translated to french
by Cédric GEMY 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

I've just translated Bulia's tutorials to french. they are available at http://www.le-radar.com/mm/sodipodi/xml/tutorial-basic_fr.svg http://www.le-radar.com/mm/sodipodi/xml/tutorial-advanced_fr.svg May be these could be put on CVS by right owner. AND, Since de manual I made was writtent for Sodipodi and that it is a quite old now (because Inkscape is improving very fast), I aim to update it in the following weeks. I also would like to improve english translation of this future manual. Help would be welcome. I'll tell more about the way I see that in the next days. May be People with Ideas can telle there wishes before the beginning of the update work period. Cheers Cedric

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] win32. Print seems to be broken
by bulia byak 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

>Hmmm, any more info on this. Can you get a stack trace or something >similar? There has been a few changes, notably the adding of extension >properties into the print subsystem. I think that is the biggest change >there, so I'm a touch concerned. Let me suggest a few guidelines for users on how to report bugs: If the bug you report to the list is not fixed promptly, this may mean developers cannot reproduce it, or cannot understand your description, or are simply too busy with other things. Be persistent. As the original reporter, you are the person most interested in fixing it, so if your first report had no effect, you must not let it drop. There are many things you can do to push your bug closer to fixing: 1. Submit the bug to the tracker. Don't wait for someone else to do it. It's important, otherwise your report will be quickly forgotten. (But check the tracker first, your bug may be already there.) 2. Submit complete information: version, platform, locale, steps to reproduce, sample file(s), screenshots. 3. If this is a crash, it's important to submit a backtrace. Use gdb to get a backtrace by running gdb <path to inkscape executable> and then from within gdb run <parameters> When the program crashes, type at the gdb prompt bt and send us the output. All of this can be done on Windows too, the Windows binary of gdb is available from http://www.mingw.org/download.shtml. 4. If you really want the bug to be fixed, try to find out the exact point in time when the bug appeared. At the very least, test old Inkscape versions. To get a narrower and more useful estimate, use backdated CVS checkouts (the -D switch) to find the most recent date on which the CVS was is OK, and also the first date on which it is broken. Then we can make a diff between these two dates to figure out the reason. If you manage to find the day of breakage and if that day's diff is big (which is possible, given the rate of checkins we're having on average), try to narrow it down to a few hours. For example: cvs -d:ext:<your sf login>@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/inkscape checkout -D"2004-04-04 12:00" inkscape will give you the CVS as it was on that date at midday. I think this should work with anonymous CVS access too. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by Arpad Biro 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

Hi, > I just replaced all atof() and strtod() with g_ascii_strtod() which > is locale independent. Please try the CVS and see if this fixes your > problem I built and tested. Most of the problems are gone, but a few of them remains. I attached 3 screenshots showing the problems I've seen with current CVS. Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

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autopackages of Inkscape CVS now available for pre-release testing
by Mike Hearn 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

Hi, In January I said to you guys "go ahead and use GTKmm, don't worry about dependencies, that's our job" and promptly disappeared for a few months. Hopefully you accept my apologies - we've made a lot of improvements to autopackage in the meantime with the result that it's now capable of making a competent attempt at installing Inkscape and related dependencies. Firstly a recap: autopackage is a framework for building Linux binary packages that will install on any reasonably sane/modern Linux distribution[1] to any prefix, whilst taking care of all the fiddly bits like getting the menu integration right, dependency resolution and presenting a nice GUI feedback window while the program is being installed and its dependencies downloaded. You can read more about it on its website: http://www.autopackage.org/ I've packaged Inkscape, GTKmm and libsigc++ but not popt, libart, gtk2 or libxml2. I think most distros should have these things already. The long term plan is for autopackage to be able to drive apt/yum/urpmi and so on to be able to fetch dependencies not available in .package form from the distros native package repositories if possible. For now that doesn't work, so the user has to resolve those dependencies themselves. The Inkscape package is built from CVS nightly. It is available here: http://navi.cx/~mike/inkscape/inkscape-0.39cvs.package It can be installed like this: $ wget http://navi.cx/~mike/inkscape/inkscape-0.39cvs.package $ su # bash ./inkscape-0.39cvs.package In other words, just run it. Currently you should do this from a terminal window, though support from running it directly from file managers is nearly ready (it mostly-sorta works now). You will be prompted to download the autopackage support code. This should only happen once (until we do a new release of course). You don't have to run it as root. If you don't, it'll install itself to ~/.local - menus and such should still work theoretically, let us know if they don't. There is currently no way to uninstall graphically. You must run "package remove inkscape gtkmm libsigc++" as whichever user you installed as to uninstall the packages (assuming all of them were installed by autopackage). You can remove autopackage itself by running "package remove autopackage-gtk autopackage" as whichever user installed the support code. "package list" shows what you currently have installed. The summary screen at the end of the install will tell you what autopackage actually put on your system. Upgrading just involves downloading and running the new package, but our upgrade support is currently pretty weak. It'll just uninstall the old package and install the new one :) There is no way to do this automatically at the moment, you just have to wget the new .package file from my web server. It is keyed to a testing pre-release of autopackage 0.5, which isn't out yet but will be soon. So, report any bugs you find now :) If you like you can link to this package from your website. If you do, please put the usual disclaimer about autopackage being beta software etc on it. thanks -mike [1] for Inkscape that means any gcc 3.2 system with GTK2, as we need the 3.2 std lib DSO and we haven't packaged GTK2.

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[patch] another binreloc fix
by Mike Hearn 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

Only matters if you use extensions of course :) Index: src/extension/init.cpp =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/extension/init.cpp,v retrieving revision 1.10 diff -u -r1.10 init.cpp --- src/extension/init.cpp 26 Apr 2004 07:29:32 -0000 1.10 +++ src/extension/init.cpp 28 Apr 2004 22:40:58 -0000 @@ -34,6 +34,8 @@ #include "internal/ps-out.h" #include "internal/eps-out.h" +#include "prefix.h" + namespace Inkscape { namespace Extension { cvs server: Diffing src/extension/implementation cvs server: Diffing src/extension/internal

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[patch] Fix the relocatable build
by Mike Hearn 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

Firstly, thanks for integrating the binary relocatability patch! This will help not only the autopackage team but win32 porters as well. Having said that, you now have to remember that you can't use the C preprocessor to build paths anymore. Here is a patch to fix the CVS relocatable build. thanks -mike Index: src/dialogs/stroke-style.cpp =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/dialogs/stroke-style.cpp,v retrieving revision 1.39 diff -u -r1.39 stroke-style.cpp --- src/dialogs/stroke-style.cpp 25 Apr 2004 22:18:20 -0000 1.39 +++ src/dialogs/stroke-style.cpp 28 Apr 2004 19:55:23 -0000 @@ -789,15 +789,18 @@ static unsigned int edoc = FALSE; /* Try to load from document */ if (!edoc && !doc) { - if (g_file_test(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR)) { - doc = sp_document_new(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", FALSE, FALSE); + char *markers_file = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR, "/markers.svg", NULL); + if (g_file_test(markers_file, G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR)) { + doc = sp_document_new(markers_file, FALSE, FALSE); } - if ( !doc && g_file_test( INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", + if ( !doc && g_file_test( markers_file, G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR) ) { - doc = sp_document_new( INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", + doc = sp_document_new( markers_file, FALSE, FALSE ); } + g_free(markers_file); + if (doc) { unsigned int visionkey; sp_document_ensure_up_to_date(doc); @@ -909,15 +912,17 @@ } /* Try to load from document */ if (!edoc && !doc) { - if (g_file_test(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR)) { - doc = sp_document_new(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", FALSE, FALSE); + char *markers = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR, "/markers.svg", NULL); + if (g_file_test(markers, G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR)) { + doc = sp_document_new(markers, FALSE, FALSE); } - if ( !doc && g_file_test( INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", + if ( !doc && g_file_test( markers, G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR) ) { - doc = sp_document_new( INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", + doc = sp_document_new( markers, FALSE, FALSE ); } + g_free(markers); if (doc) { sp_document_ensure_up_to_date(doc); } else { @@ -951,15 +956,18 @@ /* Try to load from document */ if (!edoc && !doc) { - if (g_file_test(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR)) { - doc = sp_document_new(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", FALSE, FALSE); + char *marker = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR, "/markers.svg", NULL); + if (g_file_test(marker, G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR)) { + doc = sp_document_new(marker, FALSE, FALSE); } - if ( !doc && g_file_test( INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", + if ( !doc && g_file_test( marker, G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR) ) { - doc = sp_document_new( INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", + doc = sp_document_new( marker, FALSE, FALSE ); } + g_free(marker); + if (doc) { sp_document_ensure_up_to_date(doc); } else { @@ -1216,21 +1224,24 @@ tb = NULL; + char *path = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR, "/join_miter.xpm", NULL); tb = sp_stroke_radio_button(tb, INKSCAPE_STOCK_JOIN_MITER, - INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR "/join_miter.xpm", - hb, spw, "join", "miter"); + path, hb, spw, "join", "miter"); + g_free(path); gtk_tooltips_set_tip(tt, tb, _("Miter join"), NULL); + path = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR, "/join_round.xpm", NULL); tb = sp_stroke_radio_button(tb, INKSCAPE_STOCK_JOIN_ROUND, - INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR "/join_round.xpm", - hb, spw, "join", "round"); + path, hb, spw, "join", "round"); gtk_tooltips_set_tip(tt, tb, _("Round join"), NULL); + g_free(path); + path = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR, "/join_bevel.xpm", NULL); tb = sp_stroke_radio_button(tb, INKSCAPE_STOCK_JOIN_BEVEL, - INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR "/join_bevel.xpm", - hb, spw, "join", "bevel"); + path, hb, spw, "join", "bevel"); gtk_tooltips_set_tip(tt, tb, _("Bevel join"), NULL); - + g_free(path); + i++; /* Miterlimit */ @@ -1259,20 +1270,24 @@ hb = spw_hbox(t, 3, 1, i); tb = NULL; + + path = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR, "/cap_butt.xpm", NULL); tb = sp_stroke_radio_button(tb, INKSCAPE_STOCK_CAP_BUTT, - INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR "/cap_butt.xpm", - hb, spw, "cap", "butt"); + path, hb, spw, "cap", "butt"); gtk_tooltips_set_tip(tt, tb, _("Butt cap"), NULL); + g_free(path); + path = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR, "/cap_round.xpm", NULL); tb = sp_stroke_radio_button(tb, INKSCAPE_STOCK_CAP_ROUND, - INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR "/cap_round.xpm", - hb, spw, "cap", "round"); + path, hb, spw, "cap", "round"); gtk_tooltips_set_tip(tt, tb, _("Round cap"), NULL); + g_free(path); + path = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR, "/cap_square.xpm", NULL); tb = sp_stroke_radio_button(tb, INKSCAPE_STOCK_CAP_SQUARE, - INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR "/cap_square.xpm", - hb, spw, "cap", "square"); + path, hb, spw, "cap", "square"); gtk_tooltips_set_tip(tt, tb, _("Square cap"), NULL); + g_free(path); i++;

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News from the Scribus World
by Peter Linnell 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

Hi all, Since 1.1.6 was released, we have begun the long and winding road to Scribus 1.2. Some updates: Last night's CVS release, contains new code to speed up image rendering. It *is* noticeably faster. Anyone using CVS, is encouraged to update and test. There is a Roadmap document for 1.2 and 1.3+ which has been posted to www.scribus.net Those who who might be interested in tackling some of these tasks are invited to join in. Slashdot visited again, based on a review of 1.1.6 from madpenguin.com. This led another discussion on dot.kde.org here: http://dot.kde.org/1083054064/ as well as stories on newsforge.com and others. In related news, the Inkscape team marches towards their next release. The current cvs version has a new feature called the "clone tool". It harder to describe, than to use, but it is an innovative way of editing. Also, there is a new project being launched called "Open Clipart. I have posted a story on the front of www.scribus.net with details. Scribus users are encouraged to support this new endeavor. Cheers, Peter

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RE: win32 Calligraphy Tool
by bulia byak 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

>Is there anything written on "mass" and "drag" for instance or on the >rationale behind what the tool is doing? My guess is as good as yours. The original author of the tool is not active in Inkscape. I agree that the tool is pretty useless, but let it be until we have a better replacement. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Quick Observation / Inquiry
by bulia byak 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

>1) Observation: > One of the nicer features of Sodipodi's interface was the ability to >quickly >zoom in on a selection, as that is one of the most frequently done >operations. You can still hit '3' in Inkscape, but is this not one of the >features that might qualify for a RMB entry? RMB == right mouse button? Anyway, feel free to submit a patch. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by bulia byak 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

> > OK, the difference between the 2004-04-10 05:00 (good) and the > > 2004-04-10 06:00 (bad) versions are in inkscape.cpp and in main.cpp. > > Downgrading inkscape.cpp in the 06 tree to the 05 version does not > > solve the problem, but downgrading main.cpp DOES. > >Ok, so it's locale related, I've probed exporting LC_NUMERIC="C" >manually and it worked fine. The previous code set that manually to (and >it advertised that not doing it will mess up things, btw). Great work >Mr. Biro. Thanks for finding this out. I wonder what functions might be affected by the non-C locale, now that we removed all printfs? Judjing by the program behavior, it fails when reading SVG from files. We don't seem to have scanf() in XML reading code, only atof(). Is atof locale-broken also, as is printf? If so what should we use instead? > >Thanks. > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: The Robotic Monkeys at ThinkGeek >For a limited time only, get FREE Ground shipping on all orders of $35 >or more. Hurry up and shop folks, this offer expires April 30th! >http://www.thinkgeek.com/freeshipping/?cpg=12297 >_______________________________________________ >Inkscape-devel mailing list >Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Quick Observation / Inquiry
by Dan Ostrowski 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

Hello. I've been following Inkscape development for a while now. I was also on the Sodipodi list. 1) Observation: One of the nicer features of Sodipodi's interface was the ability to quickly zoom in on a selection, as that is one of the most frequently done operations. You can still hit '3' in Inkscape, but is this not one of the features that might qualify for a RMB entry? If no, I understand you get a lot of UI suggestions, but I figured I'd throw this one out there. It seems to be a logical fit. 2) Inquiry: What are the plans, if any, for patterns in Inkscape? Every couple days I say to myself "Hey, I just need to go in there and hack up some pattern support...", and yet... Lauris did not comment a lot of his files very well and the myriad of SP/NR_long_names_of_pointers shoved together in structs makes my eyes cross. Is anyone on the development team interested in patterns? There's a sp-pattern* file subset, but nothing seems to be done with it... It's SUCH a crucial feature is it on the radar at all? Thanks so much for a reply and Thanks so much for your development work, Dan Ostrowski

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by Arpad Biro 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

Hi, OK, the difference between the 2004-04-10 05:00 (good) and the 2004-04-10 06:00 (bad) versions are in inkscape.cpp and in main.cpp. Downgrading inkscape.cpp in the 06 tree to the 05 version does not solve the problem, but downgrading main.cpp DOES. main.cpp diff attached Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by bulia byak 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

>For me, it's not just buttons, but also menu icons, SVG documents, >and more. Looks like something very basic is broken. Since I cannot reproduce this, I would appreciate if you could find out the exact point in time when this started to happen. Use backdated CVS checkouts (the -D switch) to find the most recent date on which the CVS was is OK (maybe pre-0.38?), and also the first date on which it is broken. Then we can make a diff between these two dates to figure out the reason. If you manage to find the day of breakage and if that day's diff is big (which is possible, given the rate of checkins we're having on average), try to narrow it down to a few hours. For example: cvs -d:ext:a_b@...318...:/cvsroot/inkscape checkout -D"2004-04-04 12:00" inkscape will give you the CVS as it was on that date at midday. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] selection NULLness
by bulia byak 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

>which means that the SP_DT_SELECTION macro will give an assertion failure >if it doesn't return a non-NULL selection. I've then removed defensive >checks from callers of SP_DT_SELECTION. Everything seems ok so far. Here's a crash that seems to be caused by selection==NULL: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=942149&group_id=93… _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by bulia byak 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

>So, in addition to determining when the offending code was checked in, >we should look at the specific compiler/build configuration of the >people experiencing problems. Likely, given that some people have no problem with RPMs (compiled elsewhere) but their own builds are broken. So whoever has or does not have this problem, please report your compiler version and, if non-standard, compilation flags. Mine is g++ (GCC) 3.3.2 (Mandrake Linux 10.0 3.3.2-3mdk) works ok. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Can we remove acinclude.m4 ?
by Peter Moulder 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

inkscape seems to compile fine if I do rm -rf acinclude.m4 `cat .cvsignore` builddir ./autogen.sh && mkdir builddir && cd builddir && ../configure blah && make -sj4 A simplistic check suggests that none of the macros it defines are used by configure.in (with the arguable exception of AC_PROG_LIBTOOL, which is defined by /usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4 anyway). (This check ignores the possibility of configure.in invoking a macro in /usr/share/aclocal that invokes a macro whose definition is overridden by something in acinclude.m4, but in these cases it's questionable that we would want the acinclude.m4 version anyway if we never update acinclude.m4.) Our acinclude.m4 causes a number of warnings with automake-1.8. Has anyone any objection to removing acinclude.m4 from CVS ? pjrm.

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sp_item_write_transform
by MenTaLguY 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

I've decided to go ahead and rewrite sp_item_write_transform() into a form that doesn't write to reprs -- leaving SPObjectClass::write soley responsible for repr writing. Since the existing write_transform code was only writing to attributes for their side-effects (updating other member variables -- better done directly), this shouldn't be too hard. I'm not going to commit anything obviously broken, but just a heads up to look out for transform breakage in case I miss something along the way. A side-effect of the change is going to be that sp_item_write_transform will need to be followed by an explicit call to sp_object_invoke_write(). sp_item_write_transform() will probably become sp_item_set_transform(), also. Part of the reason for doing this is that I plan to remove the requirement for explicit writes (during editing) altogether, in favor of a per-document "dirty list" that gets written out automatically before the transaction is finalized with sp_document_done(). We'll see how this goes... -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by bulia byak 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

>Hey! It works!!! ;-) I copied this file into 0.38.1 tree and recompiled. It >works! I can now open the file open dialogue, switch to another desktop and >then back and the dialogue is there. OK, so this one is fixed. Good. Now we need to attack that "ugly buttons" problem. It's so weird I don't know where to start :) Please create a bug ticket with your screenshot attached and provide as much information and testing as you can. Everyone, please spend some time thinking about it, maybe you'll be stricken by an idea :) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by bulia byak 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

> > I just checked in a code fix. Please try the current CVS and see if it > > fixes the problem. Also try to vary the "Dialogs are hidden in the >taskbar" > > and "Dialogs on top" options and report which work best for you. >Okay, I'll try it. But two days ago I tried the CVS snapshot and the icons >looked distorted/ugly... I hoped we had left this problem behind. I never could reproduce it. Anyone else experiencing it? _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by bulia byak 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

> > a file selector dialog (Open, Save As, ...) and switch to another task > > without closing this dialog, then you will not be able to switch back > > to this Inkscape instance, so you will sooner or later need to kill it. >I have the same issue here. KDE 3.2.0, Mandrake 10.0 community. I just checked in a code fix. Please try the current CVS and see if it fixes the problem. Also try to vary the "Dialogs are hidden in the taskbar" and "Dialogs on top" options and report which work best for you. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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cosmetics
by bulia byak 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

I removed the relief from the top panel buttons (looks much nicer IMHO). Also the "sticky zoom" button if finally gone, instead there's a global preference governing this. _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Deleting extensions
by Ted Gould 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

Hey, I've committed some code that increases the abilities of the checking involving scripts - and I left in some debugging output. The reason for this is so people will complain ;) You might get something like: Deleting Extension: Dia Input Typically this is caused by not being able to find the program in the path. If, you think that something shouldn't be deleted, and it is getting deleted, please tell me. I think that the path detection code should work on win32 also, but I don't have it to verify. If someone could verify that it would be cool too. Thanks for your time, we will now return you to your regularly scheduled program :) --Ted

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Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by Arpad Biro 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

Hi, I noticed the following problem when using Inkscape in KDE: if you open a file selector dialog (Open, Save As, ...) and switch to another task without closing this dialog, then you will not be able to switch back to this Inkscape instance, so you will sooner or later need to kill it. The same happens if you move the file selector dialog to another virtual desktop: you will not see the dialog again, so you will not be able to close it. This does not happen in GNOME, nor does it happen with other Inkscape dialogs under KDE. Other GTK apps I tested (Gedit, Gnumeric, GnoZip) do not have this problem even under KDE. My versions are: GTK 2.2.4, Qt 3.2.3, GNOME 2.4, KDE 3.2 Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash

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Clones tamed
by bulia byak 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

I just checked in a change to the clones code which allows you to select how a clone reacts when its original is moved. In the Inkscape Preferences dialog, Misc tab, you can choose between: - Moves in parallel: Clone is translated by the same vector as its original. - Stays unmoved: Clone preserves its position when its original is moved. - Moves according to transform: Clone moves according to the value of its transform= attribute. For example, a rotated clone will move in a different direction than its original. Until now, the last of the three options was the only possible one. Now the default is the "moves in parallel" option. This makes handling clones much more intuitive and convenient in design. _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/dir…

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pangoization
by MenTaLguY 25 Apr '04

25 Apr '04

Well, while this release cycle is supposed to be focused on pangoization, we've not really done much work on that yet, so I've been thinking about where to start... At this point I think the plan looks like this: 1. C++ify libnrtype (completely) 2. Introduce a pango libnrtype backend 3. get the pango backend debugged on all platforms and switch to using it exclusively 4. refactor libnrtype away, bringing pango "to the surface" 5. Investigate using Pango in other areas, like <text> layout One motivation for the C++ification is because, while it's a significant project in its own right, it is much easier to create and refactor C++ classes than GObject/NRObject ones. Another advantage is that it'll get everyone involved more familiar with the code. So, anyway ... Nathan's already done some of the preliminary work on libnrtype. I think the next step switching from aggregation to C++ inheritance. (which simply means that this: struct NRSomething { NRSomethingBase base; ... }; becomes this: struct NRSomething : public NRSomethingBase { ... }; ...and no other changes should be necessary at that step) Any volunteers? I'll start hitting this myself once I get through with the SPSelection cleanup. -mental

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by bulia byak 25 Apr '04

25 Apr '04

>This does not happen in GNOME, nor does it happen with other Inkscape >dialogs under KDE. It also does not happen in KDE 3.1.3 which is why I did not catch it. See discussion here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=938123&group_id=93… Please try the solution discussed there and report your results in a comment. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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selection NULLness
by Carl Hetherington 25 Apr '04

25 Apr '04

Hi, While doing some SPSelection OO-ification I have noticed that there seems to be some confusion in the code about whether desktop->selection is ever NULL in normal operation. Anyone got any clues? Basically I think this dictates whether desktop->selection should be g_assert()ed non-NULL or assumed empty if it's NULL. The same confusion arises in other places where a SPSelection* is held. Personally, I'd favour the convention that all SPSelection* in structs are assumed to be non-NULL. Thanks Carl

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CVS file permissions
by Arpad Biro 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

Hi, I committed a new file (tutorial-basic.fr.svg) to the CVS, but after committing I realized that the file permissions only allow root to read the file: -rw------- 1 root root 230925 apr 23 21:20 tutorial-basic.fr.svg So my question is: after a chmod + commit, will the permissions of the file in CVS change appropriately? Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash

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Adding a new tutorial
by Arpad Biro 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

Hi, Now that tutorial-basic.fr.svg is added, does share/tutorials/Makefile.am need to be modified? Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Clone command
by bulia byak 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

>Yes that would make sense as default, but there should still be a key for >producing duplicates instead of clones (like when you want to copy a draft >that you want to change in different ways) Yes. >Is this behavior optional? I could think of many use cases where one only >wants the shape to be in sync, not the placement. It's not optional in SVG, but we can try to work around that. I will look into it. >But maybe a user could put the originals on a special layer that is locked >and invisible and thus have the same functionality? That would prevent you from changing the original's shape too. SVG has no provisions for linking shape and not linking position. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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ill2svg.pl
by Ted Gould 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

Hey, I think someone modified this script a while ago - I can't figure out who because it has been moved in CVS :( So, I'm just posting a general message. I think that the goal was to remove the platform specific line endings method that is used. Unfortunately, that didn't work for Illustrator files created on a Mac. I backed out the changes and applied a patch that was posted to the Sodipodi list which does text. I've also attached a Mac Illustrator file to the RFE for this feature. If the mystery person who tried to fix this before could fix it again that would be really cool :) http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=895489&group_id=93438&atid=… --Ted

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