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Consulta
by emilioroberto 12 Jun '07

12 Jun '07

¡Hola! En la página oficial en castellano dice que hay que dirigirse a aquí para hacer consulta. Espero que tengan soporte en castellano. El tema es que bajé Inkscape en su versión Autopackage. Lo instalo sin ningún problema, pero cuando me voy al menú Efectos>Extrusado me pide la librería PYXML. Me dice donde bajarla y la bajo; pero ésta viene en código fuente y hay que compilarla. Yo no sé cómo se hace. ¿Hay solución para esto? Gracias. Emilio.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Consulta
by Lucas Vieites 11 Jun '07

11 Jun '07

Hola Emilio, en primer lugar te sugiero que le eches un vistazo (y que te suscribas) a la lista de usuarios en español: inkscape-user-es@...460... Allí te atenderán mucho mejor. En cuanto al problema que te ocupa, quizás puedas encontrar el paquete correspondiente a pyxml para tu distribución (cosa que deberías mencionar cuando pides este tipo de ayuda). Si no resuelves por ahí, vuelve a preguntar, pero indicando más datos: versión de inkscape, sistema operativo (distribución), entorno de ventanas (Gnome, KDE, etc.) y algún otro dato que pueda se de interés. Un saludo, Lucas Vieites --------- Mensaje Original -------- De: emilioroberto <caballotresalfil@...1749...> Para: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> Asunto: [Inkscape-devel] Consulta Fecha: 09/06/07 12:59 > > ¡Hola! > > En la página oficial en castellano dice que hay que dirigirse a aquí > para hacer consulta. Espero que tengan soporte en castellano. > El tema es que bajé Inkscape en su versión Autopackage. Lo instalo sin > ningún problema, pero cuando me voy al menú Efectos>Extrusado me pide la > librería PYXML. Me dice donde bajarla y la bajo; pero ésta viene en > código fuente y hay que compilarla. Yo no sé cómo se hace. ¿Hay solución > para esto? > > Gracias. > Emilio. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express > Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take > control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. > http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > >

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Where is code for the inkscape prefs dialog?
by Bill Baxter 09 Jun '07

09 Jun '07

I've grepped through the sources trying to find where the "Save window geometry" entry in the preferences dialog comes from but I'm coming up with nothing. Where is the code for the prefs dialog? Other than that and a little tweaking, I've pretty much got my patch for remembering window sizes and state (maximized/fullscreen) working. I just need to add the preference to the prefs dialog. --bb

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[OT] Help for Subtitles (was: LGM Videos? )
by Aurélio A. Heckert 09 Jun '07

09 Jun '07

> Hi, > http://www.libregraphicsmeeting.org/2007/program.html > > Enjoy, > Peter Hi Peter and LGM guys, Me and friends in Brazil are downloading the LGM Videos (in a low bandwidth :-/), but is very very dificult to understand speaking english, read is realy more possible. Frensh is impossible to me and the bigger part of us. Sory to ask again... Please, see this picture before continue to read: http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/Shrek_2_Cat-eyes_L-01.jpg Please, can you publish subtitle files in english? So, we can get this text files, translate and understand the video! :-) Yes, I will be one of translators and we will send portuguese subtitles to you put on the LGM website. The i18n for media! Thanks! Aurium -- -===================================================- . . Aurélio A. Heckert [ GNU/Linux ] / \ http://www.aurium.cjb.net ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) `-_---" "---_-´ Ilustração Vetorial Livre: `--|o` ´o|--´ http://InkscapeBrasil.org \ ' / Projeto Software Livre - Bahia: ): :( http://psl-ba.softwarelivre.org (o_o) Coop. de Tecnologias Livres: "-" http://www.colibre.com.br ------------------------------------------------- GNU/Linux User #312507 http://counter.li.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ( ( ( http://www.midiaindependente.org ) ) ) -===================================================- "Se conhecimento é poder, que país governado por industriais dará a verdadeira educação? Cuidado com o feedback da miséria!" Tet Ramon "Eu temo pela minha espécie quando penso que Deus é justo." Thomas Jefferson

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Debugging inkscape
by Bill Baxter 09 Jun '07

09 Jun '07

Whoops that was supposed to be a message to inkscape-devel. On 6/9/07, Bill Baxter <wbaxter@...400...> wrote: > Let me back up with a more basic question: > how do I debug inkscape? > The build make by buildtool.exe doesn't seem to have debug symbols. Still looking for info on this. I guess I need to add "-g" somewhere in build.xml? > fprintfs are scattered through the code making me thing those should work, but > I found this INKSCAPE_DEBUG_LOG env var, but that doesn't seem to make > fprintf stderr output work. > Maybe I need to build inkscape as a console app? Where do I set that? I found the answer to this one -- need to add a "-mconsole" flag after "-mwindows" in build.xml. --bb

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pdf - blur/filter support ?
by Adib Taraben 09 Jun '07

09 Jun '07

Hello, I wonder whether pdf has the ability to output blur/filter natively. I do a lot now with blur like shadows but the exported pdf is not the same. I already downloaded the pdf reference but there might be to much pages so I did not found the reference. I am looking for something that corresponds to svg filters. Could someone point me to the right direction ? Thx, Adib. ---

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Startup preferences
by Bill Baxter 09 Jun '07

09 Jun '07

Any hints as to which files I should look at for adding the ability to save Inkscape's window position between runs? -------------------------- Proposal: The basic idea would be to add another preference under Windows which is "Restore last window geometry" right before "Save window geometry" The the logic would be to try saved geometry in the doc first, then use the user preference. onStartup: if (startupDoc && startupDoc.hasSavedWindowLayout) { setWindowGeometryFromStartupDoc(startupDoc); } else if (userPrefs.restoreLastWindowGeometry && userPrefs.hasStoredWindowGeometry) { setWindowGeometryFromUserPrefs(userPrefs); } onShutdown: saveLastWindowGeometryToUserPrefs(getCurrentWindowGeometry) This would also save/restore the maximized state as is common for MS Windows apps. --------- Actually my preference would be to reverse the order and always use the userPrefs first if restoreLastWindowGeometry is set, but I'm thinking the other way around would be more politically acceptable with current developers. And I don't think the difference is worth making yet another preference. Suggestions appreciated. This one just really frustrates me. I started looking over the startup code today but didn't immediately find where prefs or window geometry are handled. --bb

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Higher Precision
by Tony Vigil 08 Jun '07

08 Jun '07

I'm curious... why is the precision for grids, guides and tiled clones only 0.00 while you can readily place objects with a precision of 0.000? Is there any special reason for the lower precision? I have already posted this as a request for higher precision and as a bug for inconsistency. And while I'm thinking about it... how about the same level of precision for angles of rotation?

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Flood fill suggestion - Bound threshold
by microUgly 08 Jun '07

08 Jun '07

Some of the stuff I do with the calligraphy tool has gaps between sections I would like to colour. Visually the gaps don't bother me, but I can't use Flood Fill when the area isn't properly closed. It would be nice there was a threshold where we could say that gaps of a certain size should be considered closed. I imagine it would be like a thickness to the paint where if it's very thick it can't flow through a small gap. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Flood-fill-suggestion---Bound-threshold-tf3822118.htm… Sent from the Inkscape - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] The death of PyXML
by Aaron Spike 08 Jun '07

08 Jun '07

Justin Barca wrote: > My software project also relies on PyXML, and it is because of this > dependency that I can use it in the creation of extensions. I find it > puzzling that an internal python library for something as important as > xml proc just went to the wayside. Can you explain to me what > happened with this project ? Are there major bugs with it right now ? > If necessary, I hope the conversion to another xml api can be done > with regular expressions or other string processing. Yeah, I think I kinda talked you into PyXML. Though you can certainly write extensions for Inkscape without it. I had no idea that people would let something so important, ie one of the only python libraries that supported some of the more advanced XML features, go defunct. PyXML was not internal to the python distribution. It was an extension layer on top of the core DOM functionality available in the python distribution. I don't know what happened to PyXML. I asked several acquaintances who are closer with the Python community and no one knew. Everyone I spoke with is quite happy with the ElementTree api that is now part of the standard Python 1.5 distribution. ElementTree looks reasonable to me, but again like the core dom module in the standard library it doesn't support functionality that is important to me especially XPath. Thankfully I think I may have found the best of both worlds in lxml. Someone has implemented the popular ElementTree API on top of libxml2 and extended it by exposing libxml2's support for XPath and other technologies that are important for working with XML. Could one convert the code from PyXML to lxml using regex and string processing, I suppose. The translation is pretty simple. You could probably do a 1:1 substitution automatically. For me it is going to be easier to edit the relatively few scripts in the Inkscape distribution by hand. And that will help me learn the API a bit better. This is how I translated the XML portion of gear.py: With PyXML: path = points_to_svgd( points ) # Create SVG Path for gear gear = self.document.createElement( 'svg:path' ) style = { 'stroke': '#000000', 'fill': 'none' } gear.setAttribute( 'style', simplestyle.formatStyle(style) ) gear.setAttribute( 'd', path ) # Embed gear in group to make animation easier: # Translate group, Rotate path. g=self.document.createElement('g') g.setAttribute( 'inkscape:label', 'Gear' + str( teeth ) ) t = 'translate(' + str( self.view_center[0] ) + ',' + str( self.view_center[1] ) + ')' g.setAttribute( 'transform', t ) self.current_layer.appendChild( g ) g.appendChild( gear ) With lxml: path = points_to_svgd( points ) # Embed gear in group to make animation easier: # Translate group, Rotate path. t = 'translate(' + str( self.view_center[0] ) + ',' + str( self.view_center[1] ) + ')' g_attribs = {'inkscape:label':'Gear' + str( teeth ), 'transform':t } g = inkex.etree.SubElement(self.current_layer, 'g', g_attribs) # Create SVG Path for gear style = { 'stroke': '#000000', 'fill': 'none' } gear_attribs = {'style':simplestyle.formatStyle(style), 'd':path} gear = inkex.etree.SubElement(g, 'svg:path', gear_attribs ) I think I'm going to hold off on the full conversion until I get more feedback from other people in the community. I would especially like to hear from our Mac OSX users and packagers about how easy it would be to distribute and install lxml with Inkscape. (Jiho could you please give it a try?) Some version of lxml has been available in Ubuntu universe since at least Breezy. Is lxml available for other distros? Aaron Spike

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] LGM Videos?
by Plinnell 07 Jun '07

07 Jun '07

> Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:23:46 -0300 > From: " Aur?lio A. Heckert " <aurium@...400...> > Subject: [Inkscape-devel] LGM Videos? > To: "Inkscape Development Mailing List" > <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> > Message-ID: > <94d573740705290823r52f25b5fgd07241b900fd8ee3@...401...> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi! > > I see great titles on LGM WebSite, but where are the > videos? I can't go to Canada... :.( > > That is the only one i found: > http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=lgm+inkscape > > There are a LGM video download center, like FISL? > ( http://torrents.softwarelivre.org ) > > Videos for the World! :-) > Aurium > Hi, http://www.libregraphicsmeeting.org/2007/program.html Enjoy, Peter

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Summer of Code Update
by Gail Banaszkiewicz 06 Jun '07

06 Jun '07

Hi all! Thought it might be a good time for an update on Summer of Code proceedings. Essentially, my approach so far has been to tackle a bug or two, as suggested by Richard way back in April, before moving on to the interface redesign. I chose "[ 1243190 ] SVG Text: tRef Elements do not work" to work on first because it should give me a hands on feel for text in SVG and help me become familiar with certain aspects of the Inkscape architecture. After this bug, I may choose another or dive into the UI stuff; it depends on how long this one takes. Gail

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Eclipse Tutorial
by Gail Banaszkiewicz 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

Better late than never, I would like to finally create my promised tutorial on how to set up building and debugging with Eclipse under Windows. A couple of questions first: (1) I made an account for the wiki, but I'm not sure if I need some kind of special permission to edit the main page <http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Inkscape> in order to add my new page. Or maybe one of you guys has to just create the page for me and I can start editing it? I would call it "UsingEclipse" probably, and put it in the Dev Documentation under General. (Although I am only doing Windows, somebody could add information related to Linux and Mac later on.) Let me know how that all works... (2) I'm hoping images can be uploaded directly to the wiki (for screenshots). If not, then let me know what most people do to get around this. Gail

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-user] The death of PyXML
by Aaron Spike 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

Terry Brown wrote: > Not sure if it's adequate, but Python 2.5 has moved most of the > ElementTree DOM library into the standard Python libraries, which > would have the advantage of not being a separate dependency. Not having an external dep would be fantastic. But right now I'm calling the lack of advanced XPath support a debilitating inadequacy. Thus far all my knowledge of ElementTree is academic, it could very well do more than the documents I've read give it credit for. I think ElementTree's inclusion in the python standard library is another vote in favor of lxml actually. Because more people will be familiar with the api and with lxml we get the added features in addition. Aaron Spike

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The death of PyXML
by Aaron Spike 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

PyXML died a neglectful death a ways back now. I failed to notice. And I was too much in denial to listen to the many many kind individuals who tried to tell me. We've been relying on PyXML for the python extensions. Now we need to replace it. I'm sure anyone who has ever worked with extensions will be happier when it is gone. The major requirements I can think of are: - Unicode support - Excellent namespace handling - Excellent XPath support (more than just basic support, many XPath features are too useful to be without) - documentation for new extension devs - in distribution or easy to obtain anything else? If I was left to my own devices and I had to do something right now, I would start with LXML. (Not a big vote of confidence that the front page of the website is offline http://codespeak.net/lxml/ check the google cache :-)) LXML uses the ElementTree api as much as possible, this API is coming standard with python 2.5 so I expect people will be getting familiar with it. It is a wrapper around libxml2 so it has a lot of power behind the scenes (adds things like xpath and xslt support). I'm not sure how things sit with the easy to obtain issue, but there are binaries available for win32. Not sure about OSX. And everyone on linux compiles everything anyway. :-) Aaron Spike

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] change the Inkscape Application
by Maulik Gordhandas 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

Hi, I am going through the source code of Inkscape and making a list of files which need to change. I would be happy to start the rebranding effort. I am not very familiar with hard-core programming. Though i will try my level best.. Maulik

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Reduce compilation times?
by Maximilian Albert 02 Jun '07

02 Jun '07

Hi everyone, I find myself recompiling a lot recently. ;) Maybe this is a stupid question, but are there any secret make targets or switches to the configure script that can be used to only compile a 'minimal working part' of Inkscape that still allows me to test my new code? It would be awesome if I could save at least some of the time I currently spend waiting for the compilations to finish. Or are there other ways to speed the whole process up (other than bying a faster computer :))? Thanks a lot, Max P.S.: I read about someone using distcc but at home I don't have another machine around and I haven't yet tried to get it working with one of the computers at university (I'm not sure how to do that anyway).

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-user] selection problem
by momo 02 Jun '07

02 Jun '07

Hi, I can confirm that behaviour, but I really don't have a clue on how to reproduce it, as I didn't manage to find a stable way to make that happen. While all the functionalities of Inkscape are still functional (I can save, open files, change document properties, switch between instruments etc...), it looks like the drawing area is blocked so I cannot select, draw, etc... Saving the file, closing Inkscape and reopening the file always resolved the problem. I still see that behaviour in the latest SVN versions, so if I find a way to reproduce it I'll file a bug report. Molumen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georg P. Israel" <info@...1744...> To: <inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: [Inkscape-user] selection problem > Dear All, > > it seems that I have from time to time the problem that I can't select > my drawing objects anymore! > Just for your information, I am using Inkscape Version 0.45.1 on M$ > Windows XP. > I can double click on them, but nothing gets selected. > The only way to select them is by opening the XML tree viewer and > selecting the item there. > > Does anybody know how to overcome this issue?? > > Best regards > > Georg P. Israel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express > Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take > control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. > http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-user mailing list > Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user > I'm protected by SpamBrave http://www.spambrave.com/

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change the Inkscape Application
by Support Required 31 May '07

31 May '07

Hi! I wanted to change the Inkscape Application to some thing else. But I am not able to find which files do i need to change. The Application name : New Document 1 Inkscape the inkscape should change to someother name! it is like i want to change the brand name!! is it possible? if it is please let me know how! thanks

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Image attachments
by Stathis Sideris 31 May '07

31 May '07

Hello everyone, I just wanted to know what the policy is for attaching images to emails to this list. Are we allowed to attach images under a certain size, or not at all? I have a suggestion for a GUI enhancement and I have prepared a mock-up to explain it and hopefully get some useful feedback from here. Thanks, Stathis

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Selection trouble with geometric bounding box on zero width objects
by jiho 31 May '07

31 May '07

Hello everybody, I encounter some problems when using the geometric bounding box option and trying to select perfectly vertical or horizontal paths. The issue seems generic enough but I find it surprising that nobody else experienced this problem since the geometric bounding box option appeared quite some time ago now. Some details are available in a bug report: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? func=detail&aid=1728776&group_id=93438&atid=604306 Am I the only one seeing this? Cheers, JiHO --- http://jo.irisson.free.fr/

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pLAySVG and extensions
by Justin Barca 31 May '07

31 May '07

As a Playful Geometer, I have been developing some python libraries for the manipulation of SVG, and I have developed some Inkscape extensions that depend on the project, and reside in the code base of it. The project resides on sourceforge here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/play-svg Some sample artwork developed using pLAySVG: http://playful-geometer.deviantart.com Currently the libraries self-install using python distutils, but the Inkscape extensions do not. My difficulty in acomplishing the latter: - for Linux, I must sudo to run the installer, so that when the Inkscape extensions are copied to the extensions directory, they are owned by root, and thus are not available to users running Inkscape (this may be remedied by doing a chown in the setup.py script) - for Windows and MacOSX, I do not know where to copy the extensions Could someone offer me some suggestions on how to make this work? Considering that Inkscape is leaning towards separate distribution of extensions, it is important that these issues be fleshed out. I started a wiki page as a HOWTO for package distribution of Inkscape extensions here http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/ExtensionPackageHOWTO, however, it does not deal with the owership issues I mentioned, so it is inacurate in that sense. Originally, my intentions with pLAySVG was just to allow me to create images using code rather than point-and-click methods, but now I am interested in making pLAySVG more than a pet project, something that will be - an educational resource that will allow people (especially children) to learn about geometry, computer graphics, SVG/XML documents in a playful and creative way (similar to the way LOGO has been employed) - a toolkit for those who wish to do graphics scripting - most relevenatly, a toolkit for those who wish to develop Inkscape extensions Considering this, I am interested in expanding the functionality of pLAySVG to encorporate some the features already resident in Inkscape, including: - path operations (i.e. union, combine) - arc estimation as in the circle tool - star tool Could anyone offer any advice and/or assistance on this ? As well, I'd like to figure out how I could tap into the functionality of lib2geom and make it accessible for extensions developers and stand-alone graphics scripting. Lastly, I am interested in making my software used as an educational resource, and I welcome any input you have on achieving this goal. I have just submitted a proposal to OLPC to make this a part of XO laptop learning and have contacted Jon concerning his post on working with OPLC (although I'm probably not capable of porting). Your feedback would be greatly appreciated, -Justin

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Idear for a more precise flood fill.
by Florian Köberle 30 May '07

30 May '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 There is a way of getting a very precise flood fill: 1. Join a copy of all the object to one big object. 2. Create rect which is so huge like the whole document 3. Use path/difference to get a flood fill for all positions. 4. Put the different shapes of the result in thier own objects. 5. Find out which of the result object has been clicked by the flood fill operation and remove the other result objects. I don't have the time to work myself into the inkscape code, but maybe a inkscape developer like the idear and implement it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGXDGS59ca4mzhfxMRAgo3AJ96XfsHUkhqUhdth3fZxbcmANueVQCfZtiW Edg1mmKXAkGWI54iKY1xR5A= =9Sa9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Segfault on opening the about screen
by unknown＠example.com 30 May '07

30 May '07

Hello all, Somewhere from rev. 15034 to 15078 , the about screen broke. Running gdb and trying to open the about screen, Inkscape crashes; gdb and gives the backtrace below. Thanks for fixing it! - Johan Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. ---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit--- 0x00a88787 in std::_Rb_tree_decrement (__x=0x4b0ddd0) at ../../../../libstdc++-v3/src/tree.cc:94 94 ../../../../libstdc++-v3/src/tree.cc: No such file or directory. in ../../../../libstdc++-v3/src/tree.cc Current language: auto; currently c++ (gdb) bt #0 0x00a88787 in std::_Rb_tree_decrement (__x=0x4b0ddd0) at ../../../../libstdc++-v3/src/tree.cc:94 #1 0x00a6f294 in std::_Rb_tree<char*, std::pair<char* const, int>, std::_Select 1st<std::pair<char* const, int> >, ltstr, std::allocator<std::pair<char* const, int> > >::insert_unique () at c:/dev/gcc/gcc-4.1.2/objdir/i686-pc-mingw32/libstdc++-v3/include/bits/loc ale_classes.h:375 #2 0x0047f770 in sp_filter_set_image_name () #3 0x0065f656 in sp_filter_primitive_set () #4 0x0048b47a in sp_gaussianBlur_set () #5 0x00421f53 in sp_object_set () #6 0x00422092 in sp_object_read_attr () #7 0x0065f4eb in sp_filter_primitive_build () #8 0x0048b2a9 in sp_gaussianBlur_build () #9 0x004224a0 in sp_object_invoke_build () #10 0x00423dfd in sp_object_build () #11 0x0047f34a in sp_filter_build () #12 0x004224a0 in sp_object_invoke_build () #13 0x00423dfd in sp_object_build () #14 0x004224a0 in sp_object_invoke_build () #15 0x00423dfd in sp_object_build () #16 0x0042fb0f in sp_root_build () #17 0x004224a0 in sp_object_invoke_build ()

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LGM Videos?
by Aurélio A. Heckert 30 May '07

30 May '07

Hi! I see great titles on LGM WebSite, but where are the videos? I can't go to Canada... :.( That is the only one i found: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=lgm+inkscape There are a LGM video download center, like FISL? ( http://torrents.softwarelivre.org ) Videos for the World! :-) Aurium -- -===================================================- . . Aurélio A. Heckert [ GNU/Linux ] / \ http://www.aurium.cjb.net ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) `-_---" "---_-´ Ilustração Vetorial Livre: `--|o` ´o|--´ http://InkscapeBrasil.org \ ' / Projeto Software Livre - Bahia: ): :( http://psl-ba.softwarelivre.org (o_o) Coop. de Tecnologias Livres: "-" http://www.colibre.com.br ------------------------------------------------- GNU/Linux User #312507 http://counter.li.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ( ( ( http://www.midiaindependente.org ) ) ) -===================================================- "Se conhecimento é poder, que país governado por industriais dará a verdadeira educação? Cuidado com o feedback da miséria!" Tet Ramon "Eu temo pela minha espécie quando penso que Deus é justo." Thomas Jefferson

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