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Re: [Inkscape-devel] translation of HACKING and README
by Arpad Biro 28 Apr '05

28 Apr '05

Hi, > Also, HACKING.it and README.it are translated in Italian Thank you. I committed them to CVS. Arpad Biro __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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gtkmm / TreeView
by Bryce Harrington 28 Apr '05

28 Apr '05

Hi Murray, Speaking of gtkmm, one observation/request: We've noticed for Inkscape it would be __really__ handy to create a certain kind of dialog using the TreeView control. For things like the layer editor, extensions, preferences, XML editor, and so forth, we need hierarchical management of various XML and SVG trees. Basically, these dialogs use a TreeView widget on the left, which allow navigating through the tree and selecting an item, and then the right side of the dialog is updated to display widgets appropriate to that selection. This is a uber-common style of dialog for file or config management, etc. etc. Pull up Inkscape's XML Editor to get an idea of what we need. However... The problem has been that hooking up TreeView with all the code to manage the widgets, signals, and XML tree looks really intimidating. We've not been able to find an Inkscape volunteer brave enough to dive into it. Anyway, my thought is that this style of dialog would probably be extremely useful to other gtkmm users (in fact, I'd been planning to contribute it back to gtkmm if/when it got developed), and that perhaps the gtkmm team might be able to help in creating it? I think we could give a lot of ideas on the design and of course lots of feedback and testing as we incorporate it. Bryce On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 06:55:24PM +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > At least with the sourceforge bug tracker you can't mark a bug as > dependent on gtkmm. > > -- > Murray Cumming > murrayc@...799... > www.murrayc.com > www.openismus.com > >

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NEW: more pen&pencil tweaking
by bulia byak 28 Apr '05

28 Apr '05

Some time ago I switched the "add mode" on by default when you go to Pen or Pencil tools. This makes it easier to continue the selected path, but if you just want to draw a new path, this may be annoying because it insists on creating a subpath of selected path. So now I changed that behavior so that: o When you start drawing outside of the end markers of the selected path, that path is deselected and you are drawing a new path (not a new subpath of the selected path as before). To continue the selected path, you have to start drawing from one of the end markers. o When you start drawing from one end marker of a path and arrive at the other end marker, the path gets closed automatically (the markers disappear). Note that this means you can't create unconnected subpaths simply by drawing anymore; you'll have to draw paths separately and then Combine them. I think this is OK, but if this is a problem for someone, please let me know. After these changes, I think it is now safe to turn the "add mode" always on, i.e. remove the possibility to turn it off by pressing "a". Again, if anyone disagrees, just blow the whistle. (Bryce, sorry to trouble you, but could you please again forward this to the devel list if you don't see it coming through there after some time) -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

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Please switch to bugzilla
by Murray Cumming 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Please please use a bugzilla. You could use GNOME's. You don't need to suffer the pain of the sourceforge bug tracker. -- Murray Cumming murrayc@...799... www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Re: Tutorial conversion
by Jonathan Leighton 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

John Cliff wrote: >--- Edward Hume <edhume@...400...> wrote: > > > >>In Help the whole time. Imagine that. I'm so accustomed to useless >>Help sections that I never looked there. Thank you. >> >> >> > >Kinda tragic how often we hear that... > I've always felt that the tutorials are a little bit tucked away in the Help menu. As Edward said, most Help menus are a pile of rubbish. Can something be done to draw more attention to it? Maybe a dialog that says about it on the first start up... (Although people would probably have objections to that due to usability.) Jon -- Jonathan Leighton aka. Turnip http://turnipspatch.com/ | http://digital-proof.org/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Tutorial conversion
by bulia byak 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

On 4/24/05, inkscape-devel <inkscape-devel@...6...> wrote: > Unless I botched something, three. The advanced tutorial is in the tracker. Will do now. > > file:///home/d/ink/doc-docbook/shapes/tutorial-shapes.html > > file:///home/d/ink/doc-docbook/tracing/tutorial-tracing.html Oops :) http://inkscape.org/doc/shapes/tutorial-shapes.html http://inkscape.org/doc/tracing/tutorial-tracing.html -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

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screenshots
by Nicu Buculei 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

I am not a developer, so I don't have means to add a screenshot to the website, but I think this one may be useful in showing how Inkscape can be used: http://nicubunu.ro/pictures/rpg/inkscape_rpg_map.png (extensive background for the scope of the image can be found on planet.openclipart.org) note: before posting here I checked http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WebsiteEditing , so forgive me if you consider this an abuse -- nicu

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pasting font style
by unknown＠example.com 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Hi there, Pasting style (Shift-Ctrl-V) on text objects does not change the font family of the target. For instance, I have a text object A in Times New Roman, italic, size 12. I want to make it Arial, regular, size 18, just as another text object B in my document. So I copy text object B, mark text object A and hit (Shift-Ctrl-V). I expected object A to be Arial, regular, size 18 now. It is regular and size 18, however, still Times New Roman. Bug or feature? Regards Norbert ______________________________ BMW Group, ZT-1 Norbert Nitzsche Phone: +49-89-382-34132 mailto: Norbert.Nitzsche@...802... Url: http://www.bmwgroup.com

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Multiline Textbox for Extensions
by Ted Gould 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 06:44 -0500, aaron@...749... wrote: > Ted Gould wrote: > > On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 10:52 -0500, aaron@...749... wrote: > > > >>Would multiline text input be useful for extensions? I can think of > >>three specific uses at the moment: > >> > >>But all of these could be solved in other ways: line delimiters and > >>extension specific GUIs. Thoughts? > > > > From the coding perspective, no problem. I'm just concerned that we're > > setting ourselves up for a failed user paradigm. > > I can understand that. What are your thoughts on people writing > extensions that pop up their own GUIs? I have no problem with that, in general. But, the way that would be ideal for that is having the extension tie into the "preferences" stage of the extension's evaluation. We've discussed this before. The problem is how to get the parameters in and out of the Inkscape preferences file. If you look on the menu, there is a way to call the last effect with the previous settings -- this is a very useful feature that I'd like to maintain. In order to do that, Inkscape needs to know the extension's preferences. I'm not sure of the best way to get this done. The only way that I can think of is to have the script return the preference values to STDOUT, but that doesn't feel like a good solution. Ideas are welcome. --Ted

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NEW: more pen&pencil tweaking]
by Bryce Harrington 26 Apr '05

26 Apr '05

----- Forwarded message from bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...> ----- Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:36:07 -0300 From: bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...> To: inkscape <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net>, Bryce Harrington <bryce@...260...> Reply-To: bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...> Subject: NEW: more pen&pencil tweaking Some time ago I switched the "add mode" on by default when you go to Pen or Pencil tools. This makes it easier to continue the selected path, but if you just want to draw a new path, this may be annoying because it insists on creating a subpath of selected path. So now I changed that behavior so that: o When you start drawing outside of the end markers of the selected path, that path is deselected and you are drawing a new path (not a new subpath of the selected path as before). To continue the selected path, you have to start drawing from one of the end markers. o When you start drawing from one end marker of a path and arrive at the other end marker, the path gets closed automatically (the markers disappear). Note that this means you can't create unconnected subpaths simply by drawing anymore; you'll have to draw paths separately and then Combine them. I think this is OK, but if this is a problem for someone, please let me know. After these changes, I think it is now safe to turn the "add mode" always on, i.e. remove the possibility to turn it off by pressing "a". Again, if anyone disagrees, just blow the whistle. (Bryce, sorry to trouble you, but could you please again forward this to the devel list if you don't see it coming through there after some time) -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org ----- End forwarded message -----

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some bugs in 0.41 and still in latest build (04/25/2005)
by unknown＠example.com 26 Apr '05

26 Apr '05

have been using inkscape for a while and start to like it, but: -it occasionally switches my input settings from DE to EN (I have installed german and english input schemes) (I'm using Windows XP SP1) -I don't like the size of objects beeing measured inclusive their stroke width, this is unintuitiv -start and end markers of lines (e.g. arrow heads) are always black, no matter what color the line is -I would like to see, in the future, "magnetic" lines, corners, center points, intersections...as in Illustrator. ______________________________ BMW Group, ZT-1 Norbert Nitzsche Phone: +49-89-382-34132 mailto: Norbert.Nitzsche@...802... Url: http://www.bmwgroup.com

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French translations
by Gazal, Geraud (GE Healthcare) 26 Apr '05

26 Apr '05

Hi Inkscapers, i've submitted a few patches with some French translations (I apologize for having worked so slowly): - update of .po file (I had warned Fred, the latest updater of this file last week) - synchronization with latest (well, until a few days ago) of basic and advanced tutorial the other tutorial are also arriving - added French to .nsi file - translated /Hacking & /Readme to French So my remaining tasks are : - finalising the remaining tutorials, and take the opportunity to update once more fr.po file (I really think that having some coherent vocabulary between software and tutorials is important) - convert them to docbook - update keys.xml I was wondering if some French-speaking guys would agree to share some efforts on translating the different release notes, plus some other readme files spread in the cvs. If yes please contact me so that we can synchronize on this regards, matiphas

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Inkboard released v 0.2
by Montgomery, Steven S 26 Apr '05

26 Apr '05

We have released our second version of Inkboard. It implements the following changes: Added: -Initial document sending by instantiating user -Buddy list display and buddy selection in "Share with User" dialog -Sending of user's queue(necessary for chatroom usability in future) -Message filtering to ignore messages from old sessions Fixed: -Reliability of sending circles and other objects All-in-all, it's just more reliable and more usable. Feel free to play around with it and offer any feedback to us. And if you notice any bugs not in the Bug Tracker, please submit them. Thank you, Steven Montgomery

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Multiline Textbox for Extensions
by unknown＠example.com 26 Apr '05

26 Apr '05

Would multiline text input be useful for extensions? I can think of three specific uses at the moment: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1187444&group_id=9… Scala scale descriptions for my fretboard designer. LSystem rules. But all of these could be solved in other ways: line delimiters and extension specific GUIs. Thoughts? Aaron Spike

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extensions
by rm 26 Apr '05

26 Apr '05

hi, i was thinking it would be neat if you could have an automatic word bubble that wraps around text and objects and grows and shrinks keeping the text centered and everything; does something like this exist already for inkscape? looking at the roadmap, there seems to be plans to make a plugin api: is there a point in trying to implement such a thing before that occurs? thanks rob ---- Robert Melby uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!org!arcsin!rm

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stupid problem creating woven ribbons
by Marcel Partap 26 Apr '05

26 Apr '05

Hey folks, I've just started using this wonderful masterpiece of a drawing tool, but soon ran into a big problem. I wanted to create a web design with interwoven ribbons, and when I saw the calligraphy tool I thought my problems where solved. But one object can only have one z-index, not multiple - which does makes sense, but means the ribbon is either on top of or below another. So I thought, mmh... I might just slice them up in between and give the parts different z-orders, which actually worked. The problem is, I want the ribbons to have an outline, and so the seam has an outline too. And I have no clue how to get rid of that now - and can not continue on my design :( I have posted this on the request feature list already, but sorry I am so eager to get this behind and go on drawing... so I'm wondering what do you devs say about that? ..and thx for such a great program ;) Marcel

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Units of coordinates
by Jogchum Reitsma 25 Apr '05

25 Apr '05

Hi, In Inkscape 0.41 on Suse 9.2, I always set the rulers and everything I can find on measurement to millimeters. Only the cursor coordinates, in the bottom left corner of the main window, is shown in some other unit (100 mm = 125 units). Is it possible to set this to mm's too? Thanks! kind greetings, Jogchum Reitsma

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Tutorial conversion
by bulia byak 25 Apr '05

25 Apr '05

We started to convert Inkscape tutorials into DocBook, with SVG and HTML (and potentially other formats) generated automatically by XSLT stylesheets. The Basic tutorial in English was the first to be converted; here it is in HTML: http://inkscape.org/doc/basic/tutorial-basic.html (obviously there's no interactivity in HTML, but at least it's now printable). If you want to help, pick your favorite tutorial (drop a note to the devel list first, to make sure it's not yet taken), check out the doc-docbook module from our CVS and follow the instructions in the file README to convert it into DocBook and extract illustrations as separate SVG files. This is simple work but it will be great help to the project, since it will make much easier to update tutorials, translate them into other languages, and write new ones. Oh, and if you want to edit or translate or tutorial, please wait until it's converted and work with the DocBook version. (Better yet, convert it yourself :) -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Tutorial conversion
by aaron＠...749... 24 Apr '05

24 Apr '05

Now back to the text copying discussion. Everything was going fine for quite some time. Now I find that there are a few paragraphs in the advanced tutorial and in the tracing tutorial that I just can't copy. In tracing I cannot copy "the user will see the three filter options" to the end. In advanced I cannot copy the final three paragraphs of the editing paths section. Is it just me? Aaron Spike

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Tutorial conversion
by aaron＠...749... 24 Apr '05

24 Apr '05

bulia byak wrote: > On 4/23/05, bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...> wrote: >>On 4/23/05, aaron@...749... <aaron@...749...> wrote: >>>I guess you must mean select the text inside of the text object, copy, >>>paste. >> >>Not necessarily, just selecting the text object with selector works >>just as well. > > Note that text is often grouped in the tutorials. So if you select a > group, this does not work of course. You need to Ctrl+click so that > statusbar says "Text" and then copying will work. And so it does. The problem here is that there is something fundamental that I don't understand about using the clipboard on Linux. When I used paste in the xterm's edit menu it worked fine. I uploaded shapes.tar.gz to the patch tracker. If there are no objections, I will now start on the Advanced tutorial. I am not a very proficient typist. So if someone would like to do the text work, I would be more than happy to do the graphics. Otherwise I will work through each tutorial in its entirety. Aaron Spike

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Wiki style breakage
by Jon A. Cruz 24 Apr '05

24 Apr '05

The recent changes (edit 303 of the main page) to the Wiki made it 'break' for me. Basically, the page no longer plays nice with narrow windows. http://inkscape.org/wiki_uploads/WikiAtWork.png Remember, many people don't browse with windows maximized. It's well known in the print world that landscape mode is not conducive to reading (which is why magazines, books, newspapers, etc. avoid it). So be sure to check any style changes with windows both ways. Thanks.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Tutorial conversion
by bulia byak 23 Apr '05

23 Apr '05

On 4/23/05, John Taber <jtaber@...480...> wrote: > Very nice. It makes it even easier for some of us to contribute to the > documentation. > Question: what are you going to use to display the html in Inkscape? gtkhtml? > mozembed? No, Inkscape does not display HTML. In Inkscape, tutorials remain in SVG. The only difference is that now, that SVG is generated from the DocBook source, as is HTML. > And wondering if you had any plans to display the images in SVG as > opposed to PNG - thinking that maybe mozembed might support SVG with the new > SVG rendering in Firefox. Maybe, but this does not make much sense. The idea of the illustrations is that they are interactive - you can drag or tweak anything in a tutorial. Since HTML loses the interactivity anyway, SVG is not any better for illustrations in HTML than PNG. The HTML is mainly intended for printing or away-from-Inkscape reading. -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

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WordPress location changed
by Jonathan Leighton 23 Apr '05

23 Apr '05

Hi everyone, FYI, by request of Jon Phillips, I have moved the WordPress code to the subdirectory wp/. This is good because the base directory is now a lot cleaner. It also means that you no longer login from http://inkscape.org/wp-admin/ but http://inkscape.org/wp/wp-admin/. I have updated the wiki page accordingly. Jon -- Jonathan Leighton aka. Turnip http://turnipspatch.com/ | http://digital-proof.org/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] new svgslice release
by bulia byak 23 Apr '05

23 Apr '05

On 4/23/05, Lee Braiden <lee.b@...786...> wrote: > On Saturday 23 Apr 2005 13:49, bulia byak wrote: > > On 4/23/05, Lee Braiden <lee.b@...786...> wrote: > > > I have a rectangle stretching across the width of the canvas. In the > > > toolbar, it says this rect is 769px by 240px. But in the saved SVG, the > > > width says 615 by 183. I would have expected this to be the same, if > > > it's also in px. Maybe I'm misunderstanding something? The parent <g> of the rect has transform= attribute which stretches it, hence the discrepancy. Generally, in SVG you cannot rely just on the attributes of the element itself; you need to take into account the transforms of all its ancestors because they all affect that element. That's why extracting dimensions from SVG is a nontrivial task, and that's why I added the --query command line options to make this accessible for script/extension writers. If you query that rect by Inkscape you get the correct width: $ inkscape layer_demo.svg --query-width --query-id ONEandTWO 769.54902 i.e. the same as it has when rendered on screen. -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

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new svgslice release
by Lee Braiden 23 Apr '05

23 Apr '05

Hi all, Just a note to say that svgslice has been updated: http://www.digitalunleashed.com/downloads/svgslice/svgslice_0.12.tar.bz2 No inkscape extension yet (I'm working on that next) but it does fix a few bugs, in case anyone has been struggling with it. There are four demo files included, and the coordinates of the slicing in the last one are incorrect. The problem seems to be that Inkscape doesn't respect the units you select in the toolbar for rectangles, but perhaps I'm misunderstanding something there. Currently, I'm not handling unit conversion, and the different inkscape unit options (document, grid, etc.) all have to be set to the same units. I'm sure there's some unit I could treat this as and then convert, but it looks like a bug, since it's in different units from everything else, and seems to resist change. Anyway, if anyone feels like playing around, I'd appreciate any hints you might have on that issue. -- Lee Braiden http://www.DigitalUnleashed.com

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