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Another article about Inkscape
by Bob Jamison 27 Mar '05

27 Mar '05

Hi, all, Occasionally I check Google News for articles about Inkscape. Here is another one I found, that is interesting because it is in a tech section of a mainstream media outlet, not in a tech journal: http://star-techcentral.com/tech/story.asp?file=/2005/3/15/prodit/10221334&… Bob

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Ktoon + Inkscape = killer app?
by Jiaxiang 25 Mar '05

25 Mar '05

I just got hold of KToon, a 2D animation program for KDE. http://ktoon.toonka.com/ I'm ultra-impressed. It can export files in SVG, SWF and PNG sequence (as it's listed) formats. It's pretty mature from the set-up and features it has in use. Maybe some talented programmer(s) who are familiar with everything Inkscape and SVG can jump in and add SVG animation capabilities that might get this powerful program somehow connected/interlaced with Inkscape or even just SVG animation standards? :) (Personally, I'm ready to help make SVG the web standard that it should be.) Pardon my zeal over SVG animation... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

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common interface for graphics apps on the "free desktop"
by Jakub Steiner 25 Mar '05

25 Mar '05

One of the good things about Adobe's product line is that they "work together". Same tasks require the same interface. Shortcuts are consistent. On the free desktop we have two major graphics applications, Inkscape (http://www.inkscape.org) and GIMP (http://www.gimp.org). It will not be uncommon to have users needing both apps in their workflow. I hope you guys agree trying to have similar consistency helps to provide a sane user experience. To be specific, there are areas where GIMP & Inkscape provide similar functionality in a slightly different way. For now I will ignore the path tool. An inconsistency that came up while I was working on something is the mouse wheel behavior. GIMP uses shift+scroll wheel to zoom, Inkscape Ctrl+mousewheel. GIMP uses Alt+mousewheel to pan horizontally, Inkscape uses Shift+mousewheel. I've filed this as http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1115612&group_id=9… Another area is the aspect ratio constraint and other transform modifiers. Note that this isn't a user-transition problem. People like me will be using GIMP & Inkscape simultaneously. It's _not_ about forgetting what a user has been used to in the past. Having inconsistent behavior makes one stumble in both apps. It would be cool if somebody found the motivation to write up some extension to the Gnome HIG, defining a standard behaviour for gfx apps (*hint* *hint* ;). Sorry for cross posting, but I hope to initiate some discussion among both camps. cheers -- Jakub Steiner <jimmac@...659...>

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simplify broken in cvs?
by mak 25 Mar '05

25 Mar '05

hello. i have been having some troubles with simplify <CTRL+L> in the latest cvs-builds. to _reproduce_ simply create a new document > make a polygon, bezier-curve or anything, except spirals & freehand-lines[those seem to work !?], select and press <CTRL+L>. > inkscape uses 99% cpu. i upped an example-svg here: http://mak.d3f3kt.net/simplify.svg ... if i'm doing something wrong, please feel free to point it out, maybe i need to be more patient[?]. tia. mak. -- [ m e t a sieben ] [ mak@...766... ] [ m4k@...450... ]

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Creative Commons Search
by Jon Phillips 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

Hello everyone, Please check out the new creative commons search at yahoo. It does turn up some of our content, but hopefully it will get more sorted out: http://search.yahoo.com/cc I have the ear of some of the ppl. at creative commons, so feature requests I can pass on. Jon -- Jon Phillips USA PH 510.499.0894 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) CVS Book (http://cvsbook.ucsd.edu) Scale Journal (http://scale.ucsd.edu)

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Mitchell Baker mentions SVG in Mozilla
by Bob Jamison 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

Slashdot had an interview with Mitchell Baker this morning, and she answers a question about SVG in Firefox. "when will it be turned on by default?" http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/22/1442200&tid=154&tid=… Actually, she doesn't answer it, which is very, very disappointing. The situation is quite depressing, with no hopeful future in sight. Bob

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sourceforge and subversion
by Bob Jamison 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

According to SF.net's news page, they are finally considering implementing Subversion repositories. Here is the item: > *Subversion Service: * The research, analysis, and support gear-up > needed to implement a Subversion service at SourceForge.net is now in > progress. As with all SourceForge.net services, extensive analysis and > testing must be performed to verify suitable levels of stability and > scalability before a service can be rolled-out. We are expecting the > initial phases of this effort to last several weeks, to be followed by > the implementation of a testing environment which will be used for a > live beta test by specific selected projects. Pending successful > scalability testing, service details will be finalized and service > will be offered to all projects. (Last updated: 2005-03-02 Pacific) Anyone who is familiar with CVS, but has had an opportunity to use Subversion would never go back. Examples: (a)Try in CVS and SVN, renaming a directory with 100 files in it. No contest. (b) An SVN branch is not a tagging, but an actual branch of a directory tree, with the branch diff'd from the trunk. (c) Commits are 'atomic,' meaning that a commit is not applied if it fails during transfer, but only if it is handled correctly. Very sweet. It would be nice if Inkscape were one of the "specific selected projects". Bob

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CVS trouble
by Jonathan Leighton 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

Apologies that this isn't really related to Inkscape development, but... I'm having real trouble with checking in the WordPress stuff I did. I was up til nearly 2AM last night trying to get it to work (I got errors when trying to commit), at which point I when to bed grumpily. Anyway, today I finally got it to commit without any errors, but when I look at the repository via the web interface (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/inkscape/inkscape_web/) it seems to have not worked right. The four WordPress-related directories have checked in (wp-*), but NONE of the files seem to have. Furthermore, in the wp-includes, wp-admin and wp-images directories, it seems the "cvs" data directories have also checked in (which they shouldn't have), again, without the files. I'm confused as hell, because the output in the terminal when I committed seemed to be fine. For instance: RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape_web/wp-includes/vars.php,v done Checking in wp-includes/vars.php; /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape_web/wp-includes/vars.php,v <-- vars.php initial revision: 1.1 done That, and other similar output suggests to me that it worked. But maybe I'm missing something? If anyone can help me out I'd be very grateful. I'm sure this is just my newbie-ness but I can't see where I've gone wrong. Also, on the topic of Subversion, I'd definitely support switching to that -- this is the first time for me using CVS, but I have used Subversion in the past with zero problems, and CVS is feels like an uphill battle. Thanks, Jon -- Jonathan Leighton aka. Turnip http://turnipspatch.com/ | http://digital-proof.org/

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Newsforge article on color management
by Bryce Harrington 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/03/08/1712218.shtml?tid=152&tid=1… (Scribus and Cinepaint have support for LittleCMS, but neither GIMP nor Inkscape support it yet. I wonder which project will succeed in implementing the support first?) Bryce

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Mitchell Baker mentions SVG in Mozilla
by Bob Jamison 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

John Taber wrote: >Hmm, one of the killer features that IE doesn't have and they are holding it >back ? He does give a explanation of why re decisions on the feature >conflicts - maybe our SVG community can help them out here. Or maybe should >make available binaries of their SVG enabled CVS version? >John > Well, a person can already find an SVG-enabled version of Firefox, if one looks hard enough. But how do you get this voodoo magic to the unwashed masses, and the PHBs? It really needs to be in every browser. What SVG needs for it to start gaining momentum is a user base. Imagine if 6% of browsers in use already (FF's share) could display SVG without any extensions or plugins. People would actually start putting content onto their sites. Maybe not completely; but a server could check for "Accept: image/svg+xml", and for those lucky people show a detailed SVG rather than a crappy bitmap. More content, more browsers; more browsers, more content. Bob

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] shortcuts do not work on canvas with Russian layout
by Artemio 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

> All works for me. Please update to the latest CVS and if the problem > persists file a detailed bug report (platform, libs, etc) Woo-hoo, works here with latest CVS version! I can use Ctrl+letter and Shift-Ctril+letter on obects, thanks! A.

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shortcuts do not work on canvas with Russian layout
by Artemio 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

Hello all! Long time, no write ;-) Still, I can't get the shortcuts to work with Russian layout, but now I noticed the following: they do work for main menu and in other places (like in text editor), but they do not work on the canvas. I am using last week's cvs built from source. So, say if I select an object, I can press Alt + E, C - this will follow to the Edit menu and copy an object. I can trigger and browse any menu like this Russian layout. In text editor, I can copy/cut/paste text (Ctrl + ...), apply/close (), etc. But on canvas, none of the modifier keys work (and, thus, shortcuts do not work either). I remember that this problem exists since last spring, and I had 3 different systems (and, thus, libraries configurations) since then. Artemio.

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Inkscape 0.41 autopackage
by Mike Hearn 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

Hi, I rebuilt this against autopackage 1.0 which provides misc bugfixes and improvements. After this point you generally won't have to rebuild packages to get improvements but 1.0 is the first API stable release so it's necessary. The new package can be found here: http://navi.cx/~mike/inkscape/inkscape-0.41-2.x86.package Could the one on SourceForge please be replaced? Also I noticed the current package is corrupt on switch at least, so it'll give the mirrors a chance to get non-truncated packages. thanks -mike

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EYE DROPPER: Added some buttons and Copy Color as HEX
by Jon Phillips 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

Hello everyone, I thought I would pull a Bulia and drop some features. When doing web design and pre-layout, I found it annoying that I could'nt get the hex value of colors, so I added a "Copy as Hex" button when using the eye dropper to get a color value. This way, one can quickly paste that into whatever web page they are working on...In the meantime I did a few other tasks. There are a few things still necessary to be done, but I wanted to report as I can't spend anymore time on it right now...I need to make some money... Made controls for Eye Dropper available on the auxiliary toolbar. * Added entry boxes for hex values of last selected color and opacity. * Added "Copy as RGBA" button that copies last selected color as RGBA value to the clipboard * Added "Copy as HEX" button that copies the last selected color as a HEX value (useful for web work where hex values are needed) * Added toggle switch option to select current color as visible on screen without alpha. When not toggled, then the current color and opacity as represented with alpha becomes the stored desktop value. * Removed the aforementioend option from the application preferences menu, as it is now available via the dropper auxiliary toolbar. What still needs to be done: 1.) I made an icon for the toggled value for Picking a color, I think called "pick_color" in icons.svg. I couldn't come up with a good one, so maybe someone could come up with a better icon to replace the crappy one I did for the toggle button. 2.) I need to fix HEX values that are copied when the option to pick color with alpha is selected. I know how to fix, but just don't have time right now to do...it is a simple thing...but I'm slow right now. 3.) I'm sure there are some things I missed since I did this quickly. Please email/fix/post bugs about... Thanks, Jon

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new interfaces...
by Jon A. Cruz 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

new interfaces planned... Previewable Dockable PreviewFillable DockFillable The first one is started, and in src/ui/previewable.h. Check out src/dialogs/swatches.* for some initial rough work with it. sleep calls.... details later.

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shortcuts do not work on canvas with Russian layout
by Artemio 22 Mar '05

22 Mar '05

Hello all! Long time, no write ;-) Still, I can't get the shortcuts to work with Russian layout, but now I noticed the following: they do work for main menu and in other places (like in text editor), but they do not work on the canvas. I am using last week's cvs built from source. So, say if I select an object, I can press Alt + E, C - this will follow to the Edit menu and copy an object. I can trigger and browse any menu like this Russian layout. In text editor, I can copy/cut/paste text (Ctrl + ...), apply/close (), etc. But on canvas, none of the modifier keys work (and, thus, shortcuts do not work either). I remember that this problem exists since last spring, and I had 3 different systems (and, thus, libraries configurations) since then. Artemio.

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Re Path Splitting?
by Erik 22 Mar '05

22 Mar '05

OK. 1. Open Inkscape. 2. Draw a short Freehand path. 3. Choose one of middle nodes. 4a. Break path at selected node or 4b. Split path between two non end-point nodes. Intuitively I would think that the result should be two or more separate paths? However, the result seems to be two or more sub-paths within the original path. Is this a bug or is it meant to behave like this? If it is meant then how do I get the sub-paths to be separate? Probably a simple explanation so I'd like to hear it. Erik Forgot to mention I'm using Win2K and build 1:14 of 22 March.

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Inkscape website with WordPress
by Jonathan Leighton 21 Mar '05

21 Mar '05

Ok, I've finished making an example of doing the Inkscape news with WordPress. Please navigate to http://inkscape.turnipspatch.com/ and have a look. If you want to try out the admin, then go to http://inkscape.turnipspatch.com/wp-admin/. The us.erna.me and pa.ssw.ord is "Test" and "inkscape" respectively. This username has full access privileges -- I might have a change that if abuse becomes a problem, but I don't think the people on this list would be the ones to do that so we'll see how it goes. Let me know of any opinions you have, whether you think it's a good/better solution etc. Jon PS. I decided not to create a "theme" for Inkscape as this would mess up interoperability with the non-WordPress part of the website, and also make it hard for people not familiar with WP to know what to do when editing pages. -- Jonathan Leighton aka. Turnip http://turnipspatch.com/ | http://digital-proof.org/

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Inkboard - RPM for first release
by Montgomery, Steven S 21 Mar '05

21 Mar '05

Rose-Hulman team here again. We're in the process of making our initial release of the Inkboard project. The first question is, how important is it to have binaries(RPMs) for a release? Will most people want the source code anyways? A related issue, we having problems creating the RPM. I'm not sure if it's a lack of understanding of RPMs or something to do with Inkscape on the dev machine. Here's the error it gives at the end of a "rpmbuild -ba": make[2]: *** [inkscape.desktop] Error 9 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/inkboard-0.1' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/inkboard-0.1' make: *** [all] Error 2 error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.68505 (%build) RPM build errors: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.68505 (%build) Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you, Steven Montgomery

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New CVS ebuild for Inkscape
by Jonathan Leighton 21 Mar '05

21 Mar '05

Hi all, I made some changes for myself to the ebuild I found in the wiki, but thought it would be good to share them with everyone else too. It was a couple of weeks ago, but this is what I remember I did: * Updated the dependencies to the ones in the Inkscape 0.41 ebuild currently in Gentoo bugzilla. * Changed the "x86" keyword to "~x86" -- a CVS ebuild should definitely not have a stable keyword. * Changed "econf || die" to "econf ${G2CONF} || die" so that USE flags actually work. I think that's it. If someone could put it on the Inkscape website in place of the old one I'd be grateful. It's attached. Regards, Jon -- Jonathan Leighton aka. Turnip http://turnipspatch.com/ | http://digital-proof.org/ # Copyright 1999-2003 Gentoo Technologies, Inc. # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2 # This is not the 1.0 version ! This is a cvs ebuild # By Dell'aiera Pol (id jabber: pol@...592...) # Just put this file in /usr/portage/media-gfx/inkscape/ then run 'emerge inkscape' # Report bug @ blenderman@...593... or via jabber. ECVS_MODULE="inkscape" ECVS_CVS_OPTIONS="-dP" ECVS_SERVER="cvs.sourceforge.net/cvsroot/inkscape" inherit cvs S=${WORKDIR}/${ECVS_MODULE} DESCRIPTION="A SVG based generic vector-drawing program" HOMEPAGE="http://www.inkscape.org/" LICENSE="GPL-2 LGPL-2.1" SLOT="0" KEYWORDS="~x86 ~ppc ~amd64" IUSE="gnome mmx doc" RDEPEND=">=x11-libs/gtk+-2.4.1 >=media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.16 >=dev-libs/libxml2-2.6.7 >=x11-libs/pango-1.4.0 dev-perl/XML-Parser virtual/xft media-libs/fontconfig dev-libs/popt sys-libs/zlib media-libs/libpng =sys-devel/gcc-3* >=dev-libs/libsigc++-2.0.3 >=dev-cpp/gtkmm-2.4 gnome? ( >=gnome-base/libgnomeprint-2.2 >=gnome-base/libgnomeprintui-2.2 ) >=dev-libs/boehm-gc-6.4" DEPEND="${RDEPEND} sys-devel/gettext dev-util/pkgconfig >=dev-util/intltool-0.29" src_compile() { ./autogen.sh || die G2CONF="${G2CONF} --with-xft --with-popt" use mmx || G2CONF="${G2CONF} --disable-mmx" use gnome && G2CONF="${G2CONF} --with-gnome-print" econf ${G2CONF} || die emake || die } src_install() { DOCS="AUTHORS COPYING ChangeLog HACKING NEWS README" make DESTDIR=${D} install || die }

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profiling clone deletion
by MenTaLguY 20 Mar '05

20 Mar '05

Here are the top three offenders when deleting ~10000 clones: > % cumulative self self total > time seconds seconds calls s/call s/call name > 26.42 35.29 35.29 50000 0.00 0.00 sp_object_get_child_by_repr(SPObject*, Inkscape::XML::Node*) > 14.10 54.12 18.83 9999 0.00 0.00 sp_item_pos_in_parent(SPItem*) > 11.45 69.42 15.30 20003 0.00 0.00 SPSelection::_removeObjectDescendants(SPObject*) They're also the only ones that individually accounted for > 10% of the CPU time, and together these three account for 51% of the entire time. Surprised me, actually; sp_repr_prev() only showed up at 7%, and it was only called 10000 times. So that means my speculations last night were largely wrong. But I guess this is a good illustration (for those following along at home) why it's good to profile rather than assume. ^^; But anyway... pondering how best to optimize things now. Suggestions welcome. I'm a bit reluctant to do the obvious and have every SPObject keep e.g. a hashtable of Node/SPObject mappings for its children, as that would come at a very heavy memory cost. At least for _removeObjectDescendants and sp_object_get_child_by_repr(), we may also be able to call them less in the first place... -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape SVG Animation Interface
by Jiaxiang 20 Mar '05

20 Mar '05

It was inspired by Beez Bezier animator: http://beez.sourceforge.net/ I also use Flash 2, but I think it's interface a little annoying (huge buttons) and so are its tools. (I still like it, though.) I just noticed that someone is actually working on an animation extension for Inkscape. It's called Spalah Flash: http://spalah.sourceforge.net/?p=2&m=25&go= Yeah, my mock-up shows the world that I don't know anything about programming. Animation is a complicated task. Oddly, the Beez Bezier animator has even less features than my mock-up, yet it can still produce animation. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Inkscape SVG Animation Interface
by Jiaxiang 19 Mar '05

19 Mar '05

This is just a quick mock-up of an idea for an Inkscape SVG animation interface. http://img42.exs.cx/img42/9633/inkscapeaniui8se.png DISCLAIMER: I'm merely an Inkscape user. I don't know anything about programming or GUI design - and I also don't pretend to know. This is just submitted to give some general idea of what, from the perspective of a this user, may or may not be the bare basics to add such a neat and powerful tool into the Inkscape tool box. Note: This would ideally be an additional window within Inkscape. The genius of its construction/destruction is left to you in the wonderful world of Inkscape development. With a handshake... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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RE: Inkscape SVG Animation Interface
by Jiaxiang 19 Mar '05

19 Mar '05

http://img42.exs.cx/img42/9633/inkscapeaniui8se.png __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Inkscape SVG Animation Interface
by Jiaxiang 19 Mar '05

19 Mar '05

This is just a quick mock-up of an idea for an Inkscape SVG animation interface. DISCLAIMER: I'm merely an Inkscape user. I don't know anything about programming or GUI design - and I also don't pretend to know. This is just submitted to give some general idea of what, from the perspective of a this user, may or may not be the bare basics to add such a neat and powerful tool into the Inkscape tool box. Note: This would ideally be an additional window within Inkscape. The genius of its construction/destruction is left to you in the wonderful world of Inkscape development. With a handshake... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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