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UI translation status
by Arpad Biro 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hi, It seems we have only a few weeks left until the next release, so here's the current status of the Inkscape UI translations: am.po 12 % az.po 7 % be.po 26 % ca.po 82 % cs.po 27 % da.po 14 % de.po 27 % el.po 5 % es_MX.po 59 % es.po 99 % et.po 0 % fr.po 51 % ga.po 1 % gl.po 11 % hu.po 100 % it.po 12 % ja.po 43 % mk.po 0 % nl.po 25 % no.po 24 % pl.po 23 % pt_BR.po 1 % pt.po 29 % ru.po 56 % sk.po 29 % sl.po 82 % sr@...311... 28 % sr.po 89 % sv.po 29 % tr.po 25 % uk.po 16 % zh_CN.po 16 % Average 33 % Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Spanish translation
by Lucas Vieites 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

After a long time without updates, here's the spanish translation, updated to yesterdays cvs. -- Lucas 'Basurero' Vieites Dept. Desarrollo <lucas@...212...> Asix Informática <http://www.asixinformatica.com/> Tel/Fax: +34 986 54 26 98

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joining development
by Gazal, Geraud (MED) 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hi again Inkscape development team, As I really appreciate the tool you're developping, I'd really like to contribute, as soon as my home internet connection is up again. So I guess I'll try to submit tons of bug reports and at least the same amount of RFE (subliminal message : as I'm sometime hobbying with mapmaking, I'm really waiting for the layer features....), but I feel that something is missing in your website/wiki : a clear contribution wishlist. Your web site clearly mentions you welcome new code, patchs, bug reports, RFE, translations, articles (etc); you also exhibit a clear roadmap, but in fact there's something missing for people like me (that would really appreciate to help, but are poor coders/graphists...) : some contribution guidelines. Some clearly stated multifunctional (ie not only technical) needs, for example on a dedicated wiki page... I'd really like to face a list of small/modest but valuable tasks for the improvement of the software, on which current team can't focus due to lack of time. Regards, Matiphas PS I had thought of something like this (can be presented as an array ?): List of needs : * Docs (in text/html/svg/openoffice formats): - user manual in English, plus translations : (French, German, Spanish, Russion, Slovak, Italian...) - FAQ in English, plus translations : (French, German, Spanish, Russion, Slovak, Italian...) - tutorials - update of internationalization of the following languages.... * Tests - System/Subsystem requirement document - Test plan / test items plus traceability matrix linked to the specifications - Tests (results) on the following architectures (Linux, BSD, Win, MacOS, Solaris...) etc etc

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off-topic but related: SORBS, oh sweet SORBS...
by Artemio 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hello, everybody! I am writing this message using a newly-subscribed address. As sourceforge started using SORBS, I could not send any message to Inkscape lists anymore. The machine my artemio.net site is hosted at got into their super-smart database, but this is a clear mistake - read below if you are interested. So now I have to use my other mail located on a US server. The story. I have two web sites hosted at the h2.prohosting.com.ua server (IP = 217.16.18.181). This IP is listed in the SORBS database, and they give the list of abusing hosts: gotov.ru, kak-po-tv.ru, ckz.ru, asiapress.ru, ukt.ru, rakushki.ru, mebgamma.ru, autonomer.ru, corleone.ru, polikomplast.ru, koncert.ru, xprint.ru However, NONE of these hosts are hosted at the server my site and my mail are located at. Here are the IPs these domain names point to: PING gotov.ru = 217.16.16.121 PING kak-po-tv.ru = 217.16.16.116 PING ckz.ru = 217.16.16.109 PING asiapress.ru = unknown host PING ukt.ru = 217.16.16.124 PING rakushki.ru = 217.16.16.134 PING mebgamma.ru = 217.16.16.130 PING autonomer.ru = 217.16.16.115 PING corleone.ru = 217.16.16.110 PING polikomplast.ru = 217.16.16.133 PING koncert.ru = 217.16.28.166 PING xprint.ru = 217.16.25.105 They seem to have all 217.16.*.* addresses as abusing hosts. It's very nice but I don't have those $50 to pay to SORBS to have my address removed. I like anti-spam campaigns but not when they work against me, at the time when I myself try to fight spam. Artemio.

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modified wiki
by Gazal, Geraud (MED) 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hi Inkscape development team, while having a look at your wiki, I've noticed some strange things on it : advertisement for a casino (links and stupid text). -> I've removed them from the impacted pages (see recent changes). There's just a page to remove (I've emptied it) : "Casino" Hope I did not do anything wrong. Regards, and thanks for your excellent software, Matiphas

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PS output problem with line markers
by Eric Jonas 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hello! I've found a bug with the EPS output and line markers... it appears that the markers defined in the <defs> section for line ending (like TriangleOutM) are actually all the same size marker but with different 'transform="scale=(foo)"' attributes in their path. However, the code that converts this into eps evidently ignores the transform. This can be seen from the two files below: http://web.mit.edu/jonas/www/drawing.svg http://web.mit.edu/jonas/www/drawing2.svg Both convert to the same postscript : ) I've tried stepping through the code a bit, but after a few hours I'm giving up and seeing if anyone might point me in the right direction... Any ideas on how to fix this? I'm using yesterday's 0.39 cvs sources... Thanks! ...Eric

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rounded stars fun
by bulia byak 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Today I was in a mood to do something funny... * A wild variety of central-symmetric curvilinear shapes, including softly rounded stars and polygons, can be created using the new Roundedness control on the options panel for the Star tool. The value is a ratio of the length of Bezier control handle to the length of the corresponding polygon side. Values of 0.2 to 0.3 give normal smooth rounded corners. Most other values (negatives are permitted too) deliver tons of sheer excitement. Enjoy! P.S. Following which I'm going to be absent for a few days, as I have an urgent paid job to do. If you need me for something, please try to not forget what you need me for until I'm back :)

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Backtraces and Win32 signals
by Bob Jamison 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Whilst pondering the debugging situation with our development builds, I was wondering if we can provide backtrace information in our builds in case of abnormal termination. Sk1p on IRC/Jabber pointed this out to me in the GLibC docs: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Backtraces.html#Backtraces ...it even has a code example. I noticed that MinGW does support signals to some extent, so I removed the '#ifndef WIN32' switch from that part of inkscape.cpp. Likely inkscape_segv_handler() is now enabled on Win32. Maybe we could add a backtrace to inkscape_segv_handler(), with a note asking the gentle user to send this to us? Maybe save it to a file? Just an idea. Bob

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Scale origin
by Carl Hetherington 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hi, Currently if you select, say, a rectangle and scale it using a knot, the origin for the scale is taken as the opposite corner of the rectangle's bounding box. This is fine if you want snap-to-bounding-box behaviour, but it presents problems if you want snap-to-nodes since the node near the opposite corner of the bounding box will drift wrt its original position. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to take the origin from? If it needs to be optional, how should we decide which point to use for a given instance? Thanks Carl

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape is spectacular -- feature requests?
by bulia byak 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:11:52 +1000, Trent Buck <fubarbaz@...405...> wrote: > <g transform="..."> > <image source="....svg" /> > </g> Perfectly possible, except that you lose vector editability and resolution-independence of the linked images.

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support indexed pallete for exported PNGs?
by Artemio 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hi everybody! I just thought - would it be possible to have a support to export indexed PNGs? I just thought that it might be very useful for web design - for example, I have many icons/buttons/images that have not so many colours, and I use Inkscape to export them to PNG, and no other tool is used after that, I use the Inkscape.s resulting PNG on my pages. In terms of UI, an "indexed colours" checkmark and colour number chooser could be added in the export dialogue. Artemio. -- The official web residence of Artemio -> http://artemio.net/ [local time 08:51:48 (GMT +3) 22 June 2004] [system uptime 22 min]

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slight site reorganisation proposals
by Artemio 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

Hello everybody! I am happy to tell you that yesterday Bryce added me to the Inkscape SF project and now I have access to modify the site ;-) So now it's time to create some nice new galleries of Inkscape usage examples. Here is what I plan, and I won't allow myself a think Current situation (structure). ------------------ Site navigation -> Screenshots -> this page has a link to Examples -> Galleries -> this is a link to a wiki page ------------------ Future scheme (a proposal) ------------------ Site navigation -> Screenshots -> still contains everything it has now -> Galleries -> contains links with thumbnails to [1] Inkscape examples (as now in at the Examples page, plus [2] link to Wiki gallery page (with a thumbnail image too) ------------------ What do you think about my plan? I have already created a new page telling about the creation of the new Artemio.net interface and icons/buttons. I am currently writing a book on sound design (it's getting bigger and bigger), and there are already around 25 structure drawings created with Inkscape, and I plan creating a page about this too. I'd also be glad to add others' info and screenshots! Yours, Artemio. -- Don't be shy, ask Artemio -> http://ask.artemio.net/ [local time 19:14:39 (GMT +3) 22 June 2004] [system uptime 1 hr 22 min]

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terminology - help needed
by bulia byak 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

There are going to be three "toolbars" in Inkscape: 1. Under the menu, horizontal, with buttons for common non-tool-specific operations such as Open, Save, etc. 2. Below 1, horizontal, with too-specific buttons and controls (exists now and is called "top panel" or "aux toolbar"). 3. Vertical at the left, with tool buttons. The question is: How to call them? They are all "toolbars" technically but using the word "toolbar" without distinction is going to be very confusing. Even using "toolbar" for 3 only is going to be confusing because people are used to calling "toolbars" any horizontal rows of buttons. So the names need to be unique but at the same time descriptive and short. Most importantly, they must stick. "Top panel" for 2 did not stick, somehow. Here is the best I could think of: 1. Commands bar 2. Tool controls bar 3. Toolbox Any other ideas? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Menu font size
by bulia byak 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

I've tried this on Windows and it looks much better indeed - the fonts are closer to what standard Windows apps use. Ishmal, can you please include this change into the build kit? Comments from other win32 users are welcome too. On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:26:11 -0700, Maur <maur@...409...> wrote: > > I was wondering how I can could the menu fonts in Inkspace; it displays > display significantly larger than other GTK applications. I found that > by modifying the gtkrc files in \Inkscape\etc\gtk-2.0\, I could get the > size I wanted by replacing this line: > > # gtk-font-name="tahoma 12" > > with this one: > > gtk-font-name="verdana 6.5" > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. > Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - > digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, > unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-user mailing list > Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user >

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rectangle tool
by Artemio 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

Hello there! I am using Inkscape 0.39 (20040618). Say I have drawn a rectangle. Then I want to resize this rectangle but only horizontally (e.g. make it shorter), but I want this process to be precise, so that object height is fixed while I drag the right bottom resize dot. Currently, this is not possible. If I Ctrl+drag, the rectangle resizes proportionally. If I convert it to curves, I can use the center resize handles to resize it, but I want my corner radii to be left as in original, so I don't want to convert it. Proposal: when Shift+drag is used on the resize dot of the rectangle tool, make only horizontal (fixed y size) and only vertical (fixed x size) resizing possible, depending on where the user drags. Good luck! Artemio. -- The official web residence of Artemio -> http://artemio.net/ [local time 08:44:43 (GMT +3) 22 June 2004] [system uptime 15 min]

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[Fwd: Image stuff in adobe illustrator]
by Ted Gould 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

Hey guys, I just got this from Tuukka who has integrated his image changes into Bryce's updated ill2svg script. Could others have a look at it? I don't have a lot of Illustrator files to test with. I definitely want to get this into the release, I think Illustrator import is a feature that is useful for a lot of users. --Ted PS - Please CC him on any replies, he is not on the mailing list. -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Tuukka Pasanen <tuukka.pasanen@...327...> > To: Ted Gould <ted@...11...> > Subject: Image stuff in adobe illustrator > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:34:30 +0300 > > hi, > I made major approments to CVS version of ill2svg.pl. Now ending stuff is > in corporated to image stuff and some minor text formating (ae and oe.. > i'm from finland we use those a lot) changes appears as well. > > This should goto list but i just can't sign on:((. CVS adder was bryce and > i like to send this diff to him too but ain't got address:(. > > Could you post this script and diff to inkscape list so someone could test > it.. and then it would be possible to add it to CVS. > > Tuukka > > ps. i added whole script so you can verify it's okay...

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Re: Autopackage install attempt with Inkscape on SuSE
by Peter Linnell 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Bryce Harrington wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Carl and I just tried out installation of Inkscape onto his SuSE 9.x box > using autopackage, but ran into a dependency issue for "GTK 2 C++ > bindings". I'm assuming that is the gtkmm2 package. It said that this > would need to be installed manually, however we couldn't find what > package this corresponds to for SuSE (looking at YaST and rpmfind.net.) > > Do you have a suggestion for where we can find this package? Also, it > would be nice if the GUI gave some directions to look when it fails to > find a dependency. >Btw, we tried the redhat 9 rpm's for gtkmm2, but they had half a dozen >dependency issues for perl and some other base libs, so didn't look >feasible. >Also, I re-ran the installer on my own system (which I had successfully >installed with autopackage previously), and it installed without >trouble. I didn't have to install gtkmm2 myself as far as I remember. > > $ rpm -qa | grep gtkmm > gtkmm-1.2.10-143 > gtkmm-devel-1.2.10-143 > $ > >Bryce I tried the autopackage last night on Fedora-1 and it worked perfectly. Impressive how smoothly it worked. I have added links to find gtkmm2 and friends for Suse 9.0 on the wiki under "Compiling inkscape" Suse 9.1 comes with all the needed libraries for Inkscape. Cheers, Peter

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export to PNG of a document that contains angled text objects
by Artemio 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

Hello! I am using Inkscape 20040618. If I have a text object that is turned at some angle, exporting of this object as PNG causes the letters to be misplaced, like if the text was following a wavy curve. Here are two examples: snapshot1.png - this the drawing as seen on the canvas snapshot2.png - this is the original exported image, you can see that the letters are not positioned on a single line as they were on the canvas snapshot3.png - this is the same drawing except that the text object was converted to paths before being exported - you see that it looks just like it should, like on the canvas The most obvious solution (or a workaround?) is to convert the fonts to paths before exporting. Is it a good solution to auto-convert the fonts to paths on every export? Artemio. -- A-Man: Artemio's musical self -> http://a-man.artemio.net/ [local time 12:38:47 (GMT +3) 22 June 2004] [system uptime 20 min]

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] rectangle tool
by Artemio 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

You wrote: > Maybe the trick with the extrahandle to have the radii stay the same > while scaling should be moved into a keybinding for general scaling? > This way, you can still use the right, left, top, bottom and corner > handles, the way you are used to it from scaling rects without radii. Hey, wait up! I dunno what kind of preferences I changed or haven't changed, but if I use the upper/lower vertical or left/right horizontal resize handles for a rectangle object, the covner radii changes while dragging but then reverts to the previous original state after releasing the mouse. I guess I should have tried all ways before posting my message ;-) As always, Inkscape turns out even better than what we think ;-) Artemio. -- The official web residence of Artemio -> http://artemio.net/ [local time 12:24:13 (GMT +3) 22 June 2004] [system uptime 6 min]

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape is spectacular -- feature requests?
by bulia byak 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

> This sounds doable (I didn't -really- want to work on my thesis this > week) but I'm not entirely clear how the libraries would work, I guess. > Would they be a valid SVG document where each top-level group > represented an item ? Not quite, each item in the library will be defined exactly as it is in a normal document, i.e. inside <defs>. Take a look at share/markers/markers.svg. > 1. Keep a copy of each library object used by a document in each > document itself. Yes. > Thus, the document will be editable, but you could > (say) open a library and "update" the linked objects. Updating a symbol from the library is not implemented but can be done easily using inkscape:stock_id attribute for matching. > is that you don't have to find / access the library to edit the lib > object -- it essentially keeps a local copy. The downside is the > explicit update step. Yes, and this is the only way to make SVG editable/viewable outside of your system. > 2. Keep the library files separate. This means that to view/edit a > document, you'd need to be able to access the libray, and the document > would have to know how to find the library. I'm not sure this option is workable with SVG. > exist as Free Software. Can I buy the developers a beer? Sure, if you can catch us - we're scattered around the globe :)

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Autopackage install attempt with Inkscape on SuSE
by Bryce Harrington 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

Hi Guys, Carl and I just tried out installation of Inkscape onto his SuSE 9.x box using autopackage, but ran into a dependency issue for "GTK 2 C++ bindings". I'm assuming that is the gtkmm2 package. It said that this would need to be installed manually, however we couldn't find what package this corresponds to for SuSE (looking at YaST and rpmfind.net.) Do you have a suggestion for where we can find this package? Also, it would be nice if the GUI gave some directions to look when it fails to find a dependency. Fwiw, we also had to use the `xhost +` trick to be able to see the GUI. Thanks, Bryce

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] terminology - help needed
by bulia byak 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

>1. "Function Bar" >2. "Object Bar" >3. "Main Toolbar" 1 and 3 are acceptable, but 2? It's not related to any specific object, but to the current tool. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-user] terminology - help needed
by bulia byak 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

> Can two toolbars be placed end to end yet? > (I dont recall being able to do so with GTK widgets in the past or with > any of the applications i randomly tested with) Maybe in the next version of GTK, not sure about the current one > Rather than trying to fit everything into a single standard toolbar (which > if crowded wont fit on small displays) it would be better to have a few > smaller logically organised toolbars (which wont look good on large > displays unless they can be put end to end on the same row). Agree, but this will need to wait for better toolbar management in GTK > An alternative approach might be to somehow add these features to the Zoom > box that is permanently embedded in the status bar. Already done, right-click it and you'll see the commands in the menu.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] terminology - help needed
by bulia byak 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

>FWIW, I don't find it confusing. If a car salesmam sells cars, a book >shelf holds books Note however that it's more often bookshelf, not book shelf, for exactly this reason. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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terminology - help needed
by bulia byak 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

>1. One >2. Two >3. Three ALmost perfect, but unfortunately only works by referring to the original mailing list thread :) >Lose the plurality: command bar, tool control bar, toolbox. I think losing the plurality only makes sense if we combine words into one, e.g. "commandbar", otherwise it's confusing (which command? which tool control?) >1 Main Bar It's not "main" in any reasonable sense imho. >2 Tweak Bar ([Fine] Tuning? Not descriptive enough. >2 [Tool] Options? They're not exactly options; they're controls that make sense for the tool and let you use it. >3. Tool Options bar And 3 is not options either, it has tools themselves. >Calling it the `toolbox' is a bit of a misnomer, since it's not a box >anymore. `Tool Bar' is worse, unfortunately. Yes. >1. "Application Toolbar" (for generally-applicable actions) Maybe, but kinda vague. Don't other bars belong to the same application? > 2. "Modal Toolbar" (the horizontal modal action/option bar) Correct technically, but confusing. A modal dialog is the one which freezes the app; what does a modal toolbar freeze? >3. "Tool Selector" (the vertical tool selector bar) Hmm. "Please select the Selector tool on the Tool Selector." Not gonna work :) >1. "Function Bar" Function or Functions? Anyway this seems to be a close equivalent to "Commands bar". _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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