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CVS file permissions
by Arpad Biro 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

Hi, I committed a new file (tutorial-basic.fr.svg) to the CVS, but after committing I realized that the file permissions only allow root to read the file: -rw------- 1 root root 230925 apr 23 21:20 tutorial-basic.fr.svg So my question is: after a chmod + commit, will the permissions of the file in CVS change appropriately? Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash

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Adding a new tutorial
by Arpad Biro 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

Hi, Now that tutorial-basic.fr.svg is added, does share/tutorials/Makefile.am need to be modified? Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Clone command
by bulia byak 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

>Yes that would make sense as default, but there should still be a key for >producing duplicates instead of clones (like when you want to copy a draft >that you want to change in different ways) Yes. >Is this behavior optional? I could think of many use cases where one only >wants the shape to be in sync, not the placement. It's not optional in SVG, but we can try to work around that. I will look into it. >But maybe a user could put the originals on a special layer that is locked >and invisible and thus have the same functionality? That would prevent you from changing the original's shape too. SVG has no provisions for linking shape and not linking position. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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ill2svg.pl
by Ted Gould 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

Hey, I think someone modified this script a while ago - I can't figure out who because it has been moved in CVS :( So, I'm just posting a general message. I think that the goal was to remove the platform specific line endings method that is used. Unfortunately, that didn't work for Illustrator files created on a Mac. I backed out the changes and applied a patch that was posted to the Sodipodi list which does text. I've also attached a Mac Illustrator file to the RFE for this feature. If the mystery person who tried to fix this before could fix it again that would be really cool :) http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=895489&group_id=93438&atid=… --Ted

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non-recursive makefile: last chance for objections
by Peter Moulder 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

Proposal: Switch to a single makefile in src/ that includes all the stuff previously in src/**/Makefile.am. Top-level makefile continues to be recursive make. This simplifies data installation, and the benefits of changing aren't much for directories outside of src/**. Use automake's `include' directive on blah/Makefile_insert. Most existing blah/Makefile.am content goes to blah/Makefile_insert, e.g. blah_libblah_a_{CPPFLAGS,SOURCES,LDFLAGS,LDADD}. Some "global" variable definitions move to src/Makefile.am: noinst_LIBRARIES, DISTCLEANFILES, EXTRA_DIST, EXTRA_PROGRAMS, TESTS, check_PROGRAMS. INCLUDES/AM_CPPFLAGS become e.g. blah_libblah_a_CPPFLAGS (i.e. per-target instead of per-directory). "Local" variable definitions (e.g. used for conditional compilation, e.g. win32_sources) go in src/blah/Makefile_insert, and acquire a `blah_' prefix. (The win32_sources variable from src/Makefile.am goes to src/Makefile_insert with no added prefix.) src/Makefile.am contains: + include blah/Makefile_insert + Definitions for the aforementioned "global" variables. + dist-hook rule. Advantages: + Can depend on things from other directories. E.g. some files in display/ depend on helper/sp-marshal.h having been built, and various */*-test programs depend on libraries in other directories (previously hacked with a `check-recursive: all-recursive' dependency in src/Makefile.am). + Compilation is expected to be faster: - Fewer invocations of automake and make. - Better parallelization is possible with make -j / make -l (e.g. when using distcc). However, making CPPFLAGS per-target means much longer generated Makefile content. I haven't yet done timing tests (underway). Disadvantages: + All files mentioned in the makefile fragments need to specify their directory. E.g. if blah/Makefile.am used to contain libblah_a_SOURCES = \ foo.cpp foo.h then blah/Makefile_insert will now contain blah_libblah_a_SOURCES = \ blah/foo.cpp \ blah/foo.h Any other advantages/disadvantages? Checks to be done before switching: + `make install' creates same directory tree. - Done. Some differences in the inkscape/inkview executable files, all other files bytewise-identical. + `make check' works. - Done. Works. Hmm, haven't checked that all expected checks are getting run. + `make check' works immediately after `make clean'. - Not yet checked. + `make distcheck' works. - Not yet checked. Any other checks to be done? pjrm.

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] CVS file permissions
by bulia byak 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

>I committed a new file (tutorial-basic.fr.svg) to the CVS, but after >committing I realized that the file permissions only allow root to >read the file: > >-rw------- 1 root root 230925 apr 23 21:20 tutorial-basic.fr.svg > >So my question is: after a chmod + commit, will the permissions of the >file in CVS change appropriately? I don't know the real answer, but I checked it out and it had the exact same permissions as the other tutorial files. So perhaps this is OK. I did some cosmetic changes to the French tutorial (mostly, spaced out sections a bit more). _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Clone Bug?
by Michael Wheeler 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Clone command
by bulia byak 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

>I was going to comment on the shortcut too! > >Developers will probably want to reserve Ctrl+Shift+N for New Layer or New >from Template, which is the kind of thing that shortcut is normally used >for. I changed that already, see my yesterday's mail. >Adobe Illustrator doesn't seem to have anything directly analagous to a >Clone tool. The way it works in Adobe Illustrator seems to be that you >make a symbol of something first and then you use the Symbol tools, namely >the Symbol Sprayer which has the keybinding Shift+S. I dont know how you >plan to implement things in the future but you may want to reconsider the >current design if it will inevitably need to be changed later. Hmmm. It's not often (yet) that we beat AI on something, and now that we've done it, you suggest that we drop it for compatibility? :) The Symbols facility and the Clone command are entirely different, even if they will use the same internal implementaion (via <use>). They have different goals and different uses. It would be nice for Inkscape to have a Symbols palette eventually, but even when we have it, Clone will remain too. >Do other vector graphics tools behave similarly or do they have Clone >tools? >The Gimp uses the single letter 'C' for Clone (dont know what Adobe >Photoshop uses) which seems reasonable. Gimp and Photoshop are irrelevant - they are bitmap tools, and their "clones" are just copies that are not linked to the original. AFAIK no other vector editors have anything like our live clones. I did suggest this feature to Xara X guys a few years ago, but they told me it was too difficult to implement (obviously it did not fit their internal architecture). It's so deeply satisfying to be able to outperform them now with open source! :) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Re: Clone command
by bulia byak 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

> > SVG has no > > provisions for linking shape and not linking position. As a first step, I just committed a change which, when transforming a selection, will skip a clone if its original is also selected. This means dragging clones together with their originals no longer does double transform which distorts positions. So far, however, this only works for clones which are not scaled/rotated, so more work is needed. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Clone command
by bulia byak 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

>AFIAR Freehand is using Ctrl-C for clone and Ctrl-D for duplicate. Ctrl+C does not Copy?! They likely have not read HIG :) >Yes, that is very great. I was very disappointed when I found out that the >only difference between Clone and Duplicate in Freehand is that >Duplicate moves the duplicated object a bit and Clone does not (or vice >versa). The same was in Corel Draw. IMHO the "duplicate with a shift" is an example of an utterly redundant, "dumbed down" operation - I hope no one will ever come up with a suggestion to implement it in Inkscape :) >BTW Is there a key for making a clone while moving an >object (duplicate works with space)? Not yet, but I thought about enabling space to leave clones, not duplicates. First, this will reduce the file size, and second, clones will be moved in sync with the original, and therefore the chain of clones will behave almost like a stroke. This is not easy to implement, thoough, because currently clones may behave in a rather counterintuitive (although perfectly standard-compliant) ways when the clone is scaled/rotated and the original is then moved, or when both original and clone are selected and moved together. I will try to program special treatment for these situations so they behave more intuitively. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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