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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Marketing Inkscape - Survey Preview (Ryan Gorley)
by jelle 02 May '17

02 May '17

Ryan, The interesting thing about SVG is that it can be used for both web and print graphics design without a need for conversion. The main lack for print graphics design are CMYK and spot colour support in SVG 1.1, which if I'm correct should be addressed in SVG 2.0. Unfortunately SVG 2.0 is dropping support for SVG fonts, which would have been the nail in the coffin of PDF otherwise. For a brief moment SVG was bound to be the choice of archiving around the world, but that was not in the interests of the companies that contributed to the standard. Just link your 14 MB hanyul opentype font for those 20 characters of Chinese to load or generate a separate font file for every page rather than embed it into the document (or maybe that can be done using base64 encoding). Sadly SMIL got dropped likewise. CSS animation is the bomb,... duh or javascript (if not blocked by the users that are fed up with agressive ads and CSS bloat). However, the SVG standard still allows to be used for a single document type work flow for all 2d graphics design types. Multi page document types would be a great addition and to my idea could be fairly easily be incorporated by adding objects in page groups like is now done with layers. I guess that having layers and page groups would be more of a hassle as each page would need to have those layers embedded into their group and during saving as standard SVG they need to get separated into single pages as SVG doesn't do multi page docs. It's a pity I'm a lousy coder though if I'd started 8 years ago with it it might have been implemented by now and I been a better coder (I would think). I can imagine that making links to pages and clicking them might unhide this page layer while hiding the active layer. Wonderful visions of multiple documents opened in one instance of Inkscape (joy) that can be tabbed, viewed in multiple open windows so you could select links on the other page etc. CMYK is a nastier problem because as I understand it Cairo (the renderer) doesn't support that. I believe that the only feasible way is to make things in Inkscape, export a bitmap, import it into Scribus (because it doesn't support SVG filters) and have the 32 bit .png be converted to CMYK .tif if you actually need black (~140MB for A4 at 200 dpi). I'm not sure what happens to CMYK info that gets exported from Inkscape to PDF, though my business cards look pretty good, so it may actually retain the CMYK info. It may also have been converted by the printer, but as they were Chinese I didn't discuss much with them. Both aspects have been a long standing wish from the graphics designers user base of Inkscape, but they are considered hard to implement or just not that sexy or both. Personally, I've been using Inkscape for the past 8 years as a single work flow tool to create both print and web graphics. What is lost to many is that this is an enormous time saver for designers and it allows for a higher productivity. Or at least ideally. If anything I consider full CMYK support the main issue. If I only could sent my Inkscape document straight to a output device, I could dramatically cut my production time. In print, where many things need to be completed before the customer enters your office that would greatly improve the usability.

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Freelance work wanted
by Jabier Arraiza 02 May '17

02 May '17

Hi all. Im searching fot the developer that made the PDF import in inkscape to send contact to Sayan. At the end there is our conversations. Cheers, Jabier. > Sounds good, Jabier. Thank you so much! > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Marker <info@...2893...> wrote: > > > Hi Sayan. > > > > I could do a recuest to him in Inkscape developer mailing list. ¿Is > > ok? > > > > Cheers, Jabier. > > > > > > On Tue, 2017-05-02 at 18:33 +1000, sayan wrote: > > > Hi Jabier, > > > > > > Thank you for your response! > > > > > > If you could contact this developer (or give me their launchpad > > > profile > > > link if you have), it would be a great help! > > > > > > Thank you very much! > > > > > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Marker <info@...2893...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Is great to hear you and your interest. Im available but maybe > > you > > > > prefer contact first with the current developer of the PDF > > import. > > > > I > > > > could try to contact with him/her. > > > > > > > > Also Im not a english speaker... > > > > > > > > Thanks for your interest over Inkscape. > > > > > > > > Cheers, Jabier. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2017-05-02 at 02:13 +0000, Sayan Bhattacharyya wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I found you on the Inkscape top commits list. We are looking > > to > > > > > customise the Inkscape command line tool for Ubuntu for our > > > > > business > > > > > application. Specifically, we are interested in the PDF -> > > SVG > > > > > conversion utility and wanted to check if you would be > > available > > > > > to > > > > > work > > > > > with us on a fixed price contract? > > > > > > > > > > The project will be in different phases. If you are available > > for > > > > > contractual work to customise Inkscape source code for > > clients, > > > > > we > > > > > would > > > > > love to hear from you! Once you get back to us, we can > > discuss > > > > > the > > > > > project and scope post the execution of an NDA. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Sayan > > > > > Founder and CTO, Desygner > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sayan > Hi, > > I found you on the Inkscape top commits list. We are looking to > customise the Inkscape command line tool for Ubuntu for our business > application. Specifically, we are interested in the PDF -> SVG > conversion utility and wanted to check if you would be available to > work > with us on a fixed price contract? > > The project will be in different phases. If you are available for > contractual work to customise Inkscape source code for clients, we > would > love to hear from you! Once you get back to us, we can discuss the > project and scope post the execution of an NDA. > > Thanks, > Sayan > Founder and CTO, Desygner

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Fwd: Re: Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
by Miguel Lopez 01 May '17

01 May '17

I have made videos of workarounds, and anyone making a workaround docs can use my video without my permission. I will upload them soon. Those docs can be deleted once Inkscape gets certain features, and I will delete those videos the minute Inkscape supports certain features. For now I have this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5TkIETfQa4 The point of the video is to show users how they can make a easily accessible editable mask in Inkscape without ever having to release mask. It also shows how to get some fade-out effect usually made with raster programs. There's the issue of the mask showing over the target object, and if I hide the editable mask layer, so does the mask goes to black. The one I will upload after are 2 Gradient Stroke workarounds videos - With Profile LIne, and without profile line 1 tangency line workaround video utilizing spiro, b-spline, and regular bezier path Way later I will do a shoe render, and how to use clip and masks in order to generate a extremely realistic-looking shoe that is 100 percent vector, but some of those results can easily be achieved with raster programs. I will also try to generate a warped pattern, and show how to achieve that. I know I'm not the best person to make a tutorial. On 4/29/2017 6:36 PM, Victor Westmann wrote: Hi Miguel, I think this is a GREAT advantage for the entire Inkscape project. It makes all the sense of the world to help users do all the needed workarounds and, if they want, help send funds to the project ($$) and/or a bug request on Gitlab(is it at Gitlab really?). Amazing. The more transparent we are (and we really are) the better. --Victor Westmann 2017-04-29 10:39 GMT-07:00 Miguel Lopez <reptillia39@...3425...<mailto:reptillia39@...3425...>>: I want to put out something regarding documentations. What about workarounds to Inkscape limitations as part of the documentation? Some users really need some answers to the limitation of Inkscape. There's another idea I have in mind. For making tutorials shorter, we can use existing tutorials of our own and linking to them as part of advanced section of Inkscape tutorials. Advanced users should already know the program in and out to know how to apply them for advanced rendering. Some of those might need workarounds though. My only issue with those workaround is the amount of time they require, and the tax on limited resources. Otherwise, if those weren't a issue, they would be fantastic though they're still not a replacement to what other programs has to offer. I can offer making workaround docs if anyone wants me to show how to work around Inkscape limits. For example : 1) Gradient Stroke - 1a) Method 1 (If profile line aren't needed) - Duplicate and then adjust stroke width, and then convert to path. Every strokes must be converted to path. You copy and paste the path that is going to get removed by applying the path difference. You repeat the process, and then you get every individual stroke which can be colored as however you please. 1b) Method 2 (If profile line is needed) You apply the same thing to the above, but you are not going to use stroke width. Instead, you are going to use power stroke to emulate profile line with gradient stroke. 2) Realistic Rendering of convulated objects like a shoe. 2a) This involves series of clipping, blurring, gradient mesh and brushing. Right now, Inkscape users can only use gradient mesh for basic overall lighting, and some bit of coloring using filtering since gradient mesh is underdeveloped in Inkscape. You apply blur to brushes in order to emulate shading. Doing this a lot can give very sastifying result within Inkscape, but also drains so much of rendering speed within Inkscape even with a powerful computer. But results are literally comparable to raster programs, and in some way even better because well, it's scalable. 3) The lack of warp tool for textures workaround 3a) As of now, we do have lattice tool, and the tweak liquifying tool. Those two can be used as a workaround to the lack of warp tool. Lattice deformation tool should had the option of allowing users to tweak the tangency line though instead of the tangency line being tangent to the horizontal and vertical direction. This is not something that can have a decent workaround since it requires duplicating so many objects and then tweaking it would be a major pain. For complicated textures, it can't be done within Inkscape unless you have a infinite amount of time and resource, and as we all know that's not possible. 4) For people who have trouble with tangency snapping (I'm one of those), and no that snapping option does not help one bit. 4a) The obvious workaround involves using the show handles. You can make tangent line utilizing the result of the show handles LPE. Also, this enables users to be able to create perpendicular, and tangent spiro path. 5) The lack of ease regarding manipulating mask/clip 5a) The workaround to this is well, using the clone as the masking/clipping source while retaining the original for clipping/masking at another location. This workaround works because you can always manipulate the source object, and hide it. It is almost exactly like as if you were manipulating transparency mask within Krita or Photoshop or GIMP. After testing it, it's beautiful really when you change between layer/group. 6) PDF export limitation 6a) The obvious workaround here is well, export to png and then convert to pdf. Of course, some rasterization would be needed if one has to convert to pdf, literally at times. I think those are the 6 issues that could be addressed via docs tutorial for those who are desperate to find a solution to those. They can always resort to Krita for those (except 6 because pdf export is not planned), but that's not a option if they have to create a vector render. If there's anything I miss regarding workarounds, lemme know. I can probably add more workarounds if I miss anything as I know the program in and out from a user perspective. On 4/29/2017 11:54 AM, C R wrote: >> I don't mean to slow anyone's roll here. But wouldn't it make more sense to put >> any kind of energy towards documentation into the much discussed, direly needed, >> user-focused, step by step manual? Rather than starting from scratch on a whole >> different kind of project? > Yea, this actually makes a lot of sense as a first step. > >> There are many books out there already, which amount to a series of tutorials. >> It's not a bad thing. I just think this kind of project is better suited for a >> single author, or maybe a small team. And I think the project needs the manual >> much, more more than the community needs another book of tutorials. > I agree. I think the book could be a lot of things in one. But I agree > with finishing what we already have before starting something new. > > >> As far as I understand, all that's needed is an English translation of...well >> can't find a link to the French version. Here's a link to whatever has been >> translated already: >> https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/introduction/ > I can't help with translation, unfortunately. But I'd like to see this > finished. So +1 for the suggestion. > >> Once we have the translation, we'll be off and running to update and finish it! >> By the way, is there anything those of us who can't translate, can do, to help >> the translators? > I volunteer to help this effort in what ways are needed. > >> And won't such a new book of tutorials have to be published? A big obstacle to >> writing any book is getting it published. You almost have to have an invitation >> from a publisher to be certain a book will get published. Or publish it >> yourself, which is not easy eitiher. > Books done in Scribus can be "published" in a variety of ways, opened > in browsers, laptops, eReaders, or just printed out. We could sell > printed copies along with other Inkscape stuff. Maybe copies signed by > members of the project would be kinda cool. No idea what the market is > for it, but the idea that we could do all of these at once is > attractive, and why I recommend Scribus. > > -C > >> Just my opinion :-) >> >> brynn >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Maren Hachmann >> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 4:01 PM >> To: Inkscape-Docs ; Inkscape Devel List >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? >> (targeting the moon) >> >> Would it make sense to use gitlab's new subgroups feature for this? >> >> The inkscape-docs team could be a sub-team of Inkscape, that way. There >> are only 4 members as of now, so changing wouldn't be so difficult as it >> might be later on. >> >> Maren >> >>> Am 28.04.2017 um 16:14 schrieb Martin Owens: >>>> On Fri, 2017-04-28 at 12:39 +0100, C R wrote: >>>>> I'd love to quit my job and just do docs. :) Unfortunately, that's >>>>> what it would probably take to get docs going to the extent we'd >>>>> like. >>>>> It's been discussed before, but never gone anywhere because of lack >>>>> of time/hands involved. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, we should use Scribus to do it. In fact, it should probably be a >>>>> github project to attract contributors. This way we can patch what >>>>> needs to be patched when stuff changes in subsequent releases. >>>> Sounds like you have a solid step one Chris. >>>> >>>> Here's the inkscape-docs group on gitlab, EVERYONE should join, there >>>> should be a button to join: >>>> >>>> https://gitlab.com/inkscape-docs >>>> >>>> And here's the new book/manual/docs project where files can be put: >>>> >>>> https://gitlab.com/inkscape/manuals >>>> >>>> I recommend using the wiki attached to the project to plan the >>>> adventure slowly. Add a bit at a time and don't rush to have something >>>> "complete" but have something small produced. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, Martin Owens >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list >>>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >>>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Fwd: Re: Marketing Inkscape - Survey Preview
by Miguel Lopez 01 May '17

01 May '17

Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Marketing Inkscape - Survey Preview Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:04:25 -0400 From: Miguel Lopez <reptillia39@...3425...><mailto:reptillia39@...3425...> To: brynn <brynn@...3133...><mailto:brynn@...3133...> Better idea, 3 surveys 1- Users Market Survey 2-Coding Survey 3-Follow-up Survey using the 2 for developers Maybe even more follow-up survey if there is some ambiguous decisions? On 5/1/2017 12:33 AM, brynn wrote: > Well, I had to answer the questions, to get to pages 2 and 3. But I didn't > submit, in the end. > > Because of the question about who I think should be using Inkscape (more in the > future), I think you need to restrict this survey to the kind of developers who > work with the code. Even though I pay attention to development issues, it > doesn't matter to me who should be using Inkscape more. I'd love to see > Inkscape be more popular, and see more people using it, but it doesn't matter to > me who they are. > > All best, > brynn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Gorley > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 1:52 PM > To: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:inkscape-devel@...1240...ceforge.net> > Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Marketing Inkscape - Survey Preview > > > Hello all, > I have been in communication with Martin and Maren about assisting with some > marketing on the project. I am a designer and marketer by profession. You can > read the conversation that got this all started if you're interested, but in > short, I feel passionately about helping Inkscape succeed. > > I am emailing to get your feedback on a survey I would like to begin collecting > responses for. As I see it, growing users and growing contributors are two sides > of the same coin for any successful FOSS project. This particular survey is > focusing on the user side of that coin. My intent is to help develop criteria > for, and consensus around, who our primary markets for Inkscape should be. A > free and open application is of course for anyone to use for any reason. > However, because our resources in marketing this application are finite, we > really need to clarify and prioritize to have any hope for success. > > So here is the survey: https://goo.gl/forms/ReZkSjOMokkaoSln2 > > Don't spend your time responding (yet). I would like to make sure I'm covering > the right user segments here, so do email me with your thoughts. I'm glad to > meet you all and thanks for the help! > > > Ryan Gorley @ Dijt > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@...941...rge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@...941...rge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Email spam from inkscape.org
by Martin Owens 01 May '17

01 May '17

Hi all, I've disabled the email server on osuosl's machine which is hosting inkscape.org, it sent out some spam (50~140) with a rather inviting political headline subject, and a mortgage advert body. whereupon 22 people emailed me (the webmaster) with abuse. I'm going to continue to monitor it, but without some sort of expert that can tell if the machine is compromised, I may just have to keep email offline for now. Sorry for the inconvenience. Effected will be: registration confirmation emails, password resets and any website notifications. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Email spam from inkscape.org
by Ryan Gorley 01 May '17

01 May '17

Taking a quick look it doesn't appear the domain has an SPF record setup. This will help receiving mail servers block mail claiming to be from the domain but not sent from an explicitly authorized IP address. It's just a specially formatted zone record you can add if you have access. This tool ( http://www.spfwizard.net) appears to make it pretty easy, though you'd probably figure it out after 10 minute on your own with the help of Google. I use http://www.mail-tester.com to verify I've got things configured right afterwards. On Apr 29, 2017 4:34 PM, "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> wrote: On Sun, 2017-04-30 at 00:22 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: > Oh :-( Does anyone know someone who could help? > > (I guess you've already checked that the server actually sent those, > and that it wasn't just in the emails' 'From' field? - Sorry, that's > the only thing I know about this..., there are people doing that with > our private server, too. I think there is an option in the mail > server settings that allows other email programs to request > confirmation that the mail was actually sent from that server). Hi Maren, I suspect the emails weren't sent from our system, as the email addresses that replied don't appear in our mail logs. But I'm being cautious because the system isn't as secure as it could be with an expert in the helm. Martin Owens ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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[UX] Defaultable LPE parameter improved
by Jabier Arraiza 29 Apr '17

29 Apr '17

Hi Again. This mail is about the same. I'm not too much sattisfy with the UX proposal from yesterday and I do a full redesign. There is a special code not used yet that allow to show LPE and params inside a "inkscape-preferences" dialog. If anybody want to use it in the future I share the code here: https://inkscape.org/en/paste/10909/ The current UX is more simpler in code and in use. I attach screenshot. Please review strings. https://inkscape.org/en/~jabiertxof/%E2%98%85default-parameters-new-ux Cheers, Jabier.

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Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
by Victor Westmann 28 Apr '17

28 Apr '17

Hi team, I was not sure as where I was supposed to open this discussion (or question) of mine. I was just wondering... I do know that it takes a lot of time, and money, and then more time, and probably a lot of revisions... but do you guys think we can try to aim making something similar to this? https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/designer/workbook/ This is a hard copy, printed, material that Affinity Designer, from the Serif company, sell. I confess I don't have a copy of this material (yet) as it seems it only exists, officially, in the printed version... but I saw some samples and was really inspired and eager to check if we could do something on our own more or less of the same kind. We could try to use the Scribus to achieve such results.. and some open fonts (from Google and Adobe) and try to assemble 4 - 6 different big learning areas inside this Inkscape Activity Book. They could be: 1. Creating isometric graphics, (there is a super sweet plugin that works wonderfully in Inkscape 0.91.2) 2. Vectorizing simple photos, 3. creating logos (or recreating famous ones (not sure this is allowed)), there are multiple AMAZING examples of this on Nick Saporito Youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w) 4. UX-UI design to create webpage (or mobile apps) mockups. I know it is a lot of work. But we could try doing a smaller and simpler version of it to see how it goes. It would help us gather more money to the Inkscape project and follow, more or less, the model of Krita (they have a paid support option and some books to sell as well) and Blender (they have a store with multiple long and detailed tutorials on how to do things in videos (DVDs)). Just wondering... I know this might be asking too much... but I plan to be involved in this. Even if we have time for only 1 or 2 modules. It would be amazing to craft such material and spread it to the community (paid or free). --Victor Westmann

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Windows Properties > Start in "C:\Program Files\Inkscape\etc"
by brynn 27 Apr '17

27 Apr '17

Hi Friends, A recent post in the forum asks why \etc should be the Start In location for Inkscape installed on Windows. http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=32259 Pretty much everything is already said in that topic, so I won't make so much noise repeating it. But I'll be glad to relay the answer, in case whoever has the answer isn't a forum member :-) (Also glad to make a bug report, if it's needed.) Thank you very much, brynn

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[UX] Default value for live effects parameters updateable
by Jabier Arraiza 27 Apr '17

27 Apr '17

Hi all [UX] folks! I have done a work to allow storing diferent default values for live effects parameters. By this way a user can have a fixed "stroke width" parameter in a concrete live effect for new uses instead than currently, what always is reseted to harcoded default ones. First of all, here is the current state of the code Code: https://code.launchpad.net/~inkscape.dev/inkscape/lpeUpdDefaultPa rams Screenshot: https://inkscape.org/en/~jabiertxof/%E2%98%85ui-for-lpe-def aults-params As now is fully functional not sure if is easy to explain and my texts info in widgets need to be improved. By default no default storable params since we go into: "preferences dialog->select_lpe->active_desired_parameter". Once is done, when using this effect, the desired parameter has a "*" mark to show is defaultable and apply current values pressing "Set BUTTON" or remove the custom one to go into harcode defaults pressing "Reset button". Anyway we need a work defining the strings for labels, buttons, prefs to try to be more understable. Thanks again for reading, Jabier.

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