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real world usability test
by bulia byak 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

Today my 5 years old daughter spent about 20 minutes in Inkscape, drawing stars. She enjoyed it a lot. She had no problem understanding the role of the selector button ("click it and then you can move your stars around"), node edit button ("click it and you can do funny things to a star by moving those small dots in it") and the star itself. She also used ctrl-z often. The main reason for joy is that the program did not crash :) There were some problems; the biggest bummer was when she accidentally grabbed the handle of the main toolbar and detached it - then she clicked on the canvas and the toolbar was gone! Bad, bad Inkscape. Also, the lack of a palette was a bit of an inconvenience, although I switched the fill&stroke dialog to HSV and she had no problems dragging the hue slider to get different colors for her stars (with two other sliders set to maximum). Overall, I think the program passed this test :) I don't think it would be that enjoyable with Sodipodi, with its myriad of confusing buttons and sinking windows... _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] max undo
by bulia byak 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

> > One thing: right now subsequent arrow-key movements are stored as >separate > > undo steps. I'd like to combine all adjacent moves in one direction >(only > > horizontal or only vertical) in one step. Is there already a mechanism >for > > that, or do I have to dig into the undo system to implement it? > >Yes, there's already a facility present for that: >sp_document_maybe_done(). Thanks for the pointer. I tried this but it did not work until I replaced: doc->actionkey = NULL; by doc->actionkey = key; in sp_document_maybe_done(). This fix seems logical to me, but it's not my code so please confirm that it's correct. I've just committed a version that puts subsequent same-direction arrow-key movements into one undo step (in both selector and node edit) so you can test how it works. Previously, maybe_done was only used in the item properties dialog (which is planned for elimination btw). _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] max undo
by bulia byak 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

>Realistically, are users ever going to backtrack through more than ~300 >levels of undo anyway? Easy :) Real drawing sessions may span hours and hours. Right now, however, a crash is a more likely outcome of being in Inkscape for too long, but in the future... My opinion is that a vector app must have unlimited undo, or at least very large. It's the promise of the vector: everything is preserved, no loss of information. Unlimited undo is part of that appeal. One thing: right now subsequent arrow-key movements are stored as separate undo steps. I'd like to combine all adjacent moves in one direction (only horizontal or only vertical) in one step. Is there already a mechanism for that, or do I have to dig into the undo system to implement it? _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Counting Lines
by Ted Gould 10 Dec '03

10 Dec '03

Hey, Bryce asked for this, but I thought it might be useful for other people too. There is a little utility on this page called 'lc' which counts lines. There are others too, but I've only used lc. Just so everyone doesn't have to do it, I ran it on the Inkscape codebase and threw it into the attached Gnumeric file ;) http://www.chris-lott.org/resources/cmetrics/ --Ted

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Inkscape 0.36 pre-release 1
by Bryce Harrington 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

A pre-release version of Inkscape is available for review and testing in source and RPM forms here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93438 Please download, test out, and report any significant problems you encounter to the Inkscape bug tracker. We anticipate releasing 0.36 soon, unless any show-stopper bugs (such as frequent crashes) are discovered. Thanks, Bryce

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Re: Map Symbols [was Re: [Sodipodi-list] Getting lines straight]
by Jonathan Phillips 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

Maybe a novel idea would be to make separate project on sourceforge that is svg clipart. Like svg-clipart.sf.net would be great. The benefits would be open source designing of symbols, maps, etc for the SVG-compliant community. It might also be nice to push the artwork developed via different SVG apps to a standard, well defined place that might promote interoperability and compliance of all,or many :) ofthe different SVG drawing programs. It would be totally cool to use CVS to design with and allow ppl. from all over the world to work on designs. Thoughts? (I hope I haven't just gotten a little too utopian) Jon On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 07:03, Pat Suwalski wrote: > Áki G. Karlsson wrote: > > Hi > > > > I would be more than happy to participate in a svg map symbols project, > > contributing images like below that are most relevant for my present > > work... > > > > I am just worrying that maybe the sodipodi list doesn't want to be > > subjected to it and that it would perhaps be better served as, say, a > > part of wikitravel... > > Should I be starting a "map symbols" clipart section on the sodipodi web > site? > > Right now, I'm still a little fazed by the whole sodipodi.com thing. > > --Pat > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's > Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. > Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Sodipodi-list mailing list > Sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sodipodi-list -- Jon Phillips UCSD Graduate Researcher Computational Media PO BOX 948667 La Jolla, Ca 92037 858.361.2811 www.protofunk.org jon@...15...

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max undo
by bulia byak 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

I have increased max undo from 128 to 512, as 128 was way too low imho. In the next version it will be in preferences, but 512 may be the default. Any objections? And by the way, has anyone tried my 256x max zoom patch? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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text tool news
by bulia byak 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

* src/sp-text.c: fixed typing non-ascii chars; copied (with fixes) treatment of xml:space from sodipodi 0.33 * src/sp-text.h: small fix from sodipodi 0.33 * src/text-context.c: copied sp_text_context_preedit_reset and related code from sodipodi 0.33; xml:space='preserve' is added to newly created text objects; esc deselects; uncatched keys are passed on; misc fixes Please test the text tool thoroughly! What I did NOT copy from sodipodi is the new code within #ifdef SP_TEXT_NEW_CONTENT (no idea what it is, it's off by default) and the pervasive change by which SPObject now has "children" but SPText has not, so all text->children were replaced by much uglier ((SPObject *) text)->children. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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xml:space default?
by bulia byak 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

As a result of my and mental's copying code from sodipodi, now it's possible to set xml:space=preserve via xml editor on a tspan, and the multiple adjacent spaces will not be combined into one as they are now. Does anyone else think it might be a good idea to add this attribute by default to all newly created text objects? BTW this would fix this bug: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=851005&group_id=9… _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] non-ASCII chars
by bulia byak 09 Dec '03

09 Dec '03

On the other hand, why do we have to guard against any control chars at all? If we get a string in UTF8, suffices it to check that it's valid UTF8, and complain if it's not. If it is valid, we can insert it without any further checks. Any objections? >From: "bulia byak" <archiver_1@...19...> >To: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >Subject: RE: [Inkscape-devel] non-ASCII chars >Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 06:09:38 +0000 > >OK, I solved this one. Indeed the problem was gchar (i.e. signed) - which >was treated as less-than-zero when it run into this stupid bit of code: > >if ((spnew[i] < 32) && ((spnew[i] != 9) && (spnew[i] != 10) && (spnew[i] != >13))) spnew[i] = 32; > >which was meant to replace control chars with spaces, but ended up >replacing all non-ascii chars with spaces when used with gchar instead of >guchar. > >I'll now rewrite this brain damage properly, using g_unichar_iscntrl(). > > >>From: "bulia byak" <archiver_1@...19...> >>To: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >>Subject: [Inkscape-devel] non-ASCII chars >>Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 05:36:50 +0000 >> >>I have merged the interesting parts of 0.33's sp-text.c and >>text-context.c, but this did not help with the cyrillic chars being >>untypeable. I started to dig into this specifically and now I have a >>strong suspicion that the culprit is the inkscape's change from guchar to >>gchar in functions that insert new chars into the string as they are >>typed. I cannot test it quickly because it requires changing in lots of >>places (and they cannot be simply cast, at least not with g++), but this >>seems likely. For example sp_text_insert used to receive the char to >>insert as a guchar, but now it gets gchar. As it is supposed to be in >>UTF8, perhaps the encoding goes wrong and the result is the space >>characters in the string (or at least something that looks like spaces). >> >>So: >> >>- Does anyone else think that guchar/gchar replacement could break this? >> >>- Why was this replacement necessary in the first place? >> >>- Is it OK if I reverse it in the text code? >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo… >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------- >>This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. >>Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it >>help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help >>YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ >>_______________________________________________ >>Inkscape-devel mailing list >>Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms… > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. >Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it >help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help >YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ >_______________________________________________ >Inkscape-devel mailing list >Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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