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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Tango icons as default set
by Guillermo Espertino 13 Feb '09

13 Feb '09

worms invasion wrote: > Well, re. the proposed Tango icon set for Inkscape... I do NOT want to be "forced" to test the Tango icons - let alone to be forced to use them. I hate the Tango icons. :-) The same argument that Tango people has: We hate that set, we don't want to be forced to that. > The main reasons are: > - they are unreadable, "undecodable". > I do not need to use a magnifying glass to "decode" the current (non Tango) icon set, the icons are "sharp" and "clear". Compared to them, the Tango icons are... "wtf?... which icon is that...?" I do not want to lose time wondering each time I need to click on an icon (and it happens quite a lot in Inkscape, because I don't use the shortcuts or F-keys). Honestly, I hardly *see* the Tango icons. Some of the current Tango icons need some contrast tweaking, that's right. Plus the non-black outlines give less contrast than black lines, but the problem with black and dark/black themes is an issue. Anyway, I don't think they are unreadable, undecodeable or that you need a magnifying glass to see them. > - they belong to the Linux world. They're intended to be multi-platform. Just as Inkscape and other free applications. Using an icon set created for that purpose is consistent to a free, open source, multi-platform program. Other people can argue that free software belongs to linux world and you shouldn't use it in Windows :-) > - I do not use any other "free" software which uses the Tango icon set, such as The Gimp or..., so I don't care about "being used" to seeing such or such icons. That's your point of view. You don't care, and since it's not your concern you don't consider if others do. I don't want to bring such discussion to the list, but I'd like to know why people is using inkscape? Just because it's free of charge? It's also free (libre) software, and a lot of people cares about that. Being part of a software movement that's created in a collaborative way implies to have a goal and work to make it happen. There are people who sees inkscape just as an application that costs nothing, but others see it as a part of something bigger. Theme changers are quite common in shareware/freeware apps for windows, so I don't think that would be a big deal if we put Tangos as default and let people change it back to the current set if they don't like it. That would be enough for them (they won't be forced to Tango) and would be nice for people who prefers Tango because they fit with the other free apps. In my honest opinion, for people who sees inkscape as a freebie, a UI option for changing the icon set will be enough. I don't want to make a political discussion about this, and I'm not saying that you are that kind of people (i can't speak, I don't know). > - I believe each application can have its own style, its own icons. I hate the "applications on a platform must all look alike" concept, it's sterile, it's boring, it's dull. Of course, and nobody denies that, and that's why we need an easy way to change icon themes from the preferences. You're talking about what you hate and what you'd love, what would be amusing, bright and happy and not a technical reason. People who back up Tango icons ask them to be default for technical reasons, not just personal preferences -A normalized icon set with clear design guidelines -More care about details (pixel alignment, for instance) -An unified look between free design applications -Better look in dark gtk themes. If the current set would cover most of these topics (well, the unified look with other apps wouldn't be possible) I bet most of the Tango people would find it acceptable and a easy icon theme changer in the preferences would suffice. > So, my user opinion is: if the Linux users are masochists and want to have Tango style icons for Inkscape, fine, give them a GUI to switch to Tango icons. Again, just change the "Linux" word for "Windows" and change the Tango word for "current" and that's the way I see it. This is matter of personal taste. I'd prefer to talk about technical reasons. Gez.

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Verbs
by Felipe Sanches 11 Feb '09

11 Feb '09

I dont really understand perfectly how verbs work. So, I would like my code to be reviewed. Could anybody review these verbs and related code, please? /* Color management */ SP_VERB_EDIT_LINK_COLOR_PROFILE, SP_VERB_EDIT_REMOVE_COLOR_PROFILE, /*Scripting*/ SP_VERB_EDIT_ADD_EXTERNAL_SCRIPT, SP_VERB_EDIT_REMOVE_EXTERNAL_SCRIPT, JucaBlues

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Checkboard background
by Yann Papouin 11 Feb '09

11 Feb '09

Hi, I would like to try to add a chessboard background to the background canvas. Can you tell me where it could be drawn? I think it is at the same place where the pages border are drawn. Yann.

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Blur slider inserts feBlend???
by bulia byak 11 Feb '09

11 Feb '09

Since recently, adjusting a blur of an object in Fill & Stroke not only adds Gaussian blur but also a feBlend. Do you have any idea of who added this and for what reason? I think this is a bug and must be fixed. -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

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Supporting Inkscape Development
by Tavmjong Bah 11 Feb '09

11 Feb '09

Hello, I have received an email from someone who is using Inkscape professionally in his company. He would like to support the Inkscape project but his company doesn't allow him to directly donate money. He is required to purchase something. He has pointed out that the Blender project (www.blender.org) has a shop where part of the proceeds go to support Blender. Is there interest in creating a similar Inkscape shop? Tav

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LGM and development opportunities
by Louis Desjardins 11 Feb '09

11 Feb '09

Hi all, This is an exploratory email for all teams participating at LGM. There are more questions than answers and everything is in discussion at present time. In the end we need the input of each team. Here's the punch! I had a very productive discussion with René Barsalo at the SAT on Monday about next LGM. Summary: For next LGM we could have at least two projects working a full day at SAT: Blender and Hugin. The SAT immersive projection equipment would be available to both teams for direct work, hacking, presentations, etc.. Starting at 11:00 the day would be followed by a LGM "5 to 7" where all the teams would gather for a beer. So far we have thought of Thursday to be that day. So, second day of LGM. We need to know if this would appeal to the development teams of Hugin and Blender. Although I trust this event can only add to the interest of LGM, and also noting that this is in no way competing with Polytechnique's facilities — only a big plus to have the SAT in Montreal and to have LGM in Montreal... I think we need to find out if there are any objection to this proposal. I ask Blender and Hugin people to step in. Guys! Tell us what you think. To all other, please do the same! Speak up! Cheers! Louis LGM 2009 main organiser Montréal GMT -5

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Blur slider inserts feBlend???
by Guillermo Espertino 11 Feb '09

11 Feb '09

bulia byak wrote: > Since recently, adjusting a blur of an object in Fill & Stroke not > only adds Gaussian blur but also a feBlend. Do you have any idea of > who added this and for what reason? I think this is a bug and must be > fixed. Thanks god someone saw this. Yes, it's a bug and in my opinion, is of high importance because it's a regression on something that was working fine. I reported this bug a week ago. https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/325162 As it was discussed before, the blending modes in individual elements is a headache because they need a solid element behind to show correctly (that was the main reason of moving the blend modes to the layers dialog, and it's still quite broken). That feBlend filter in the blur effect should be reverted asap. Imo the blend filters should be removed from everywhere except the filters dialog, since the problem of the background acumulation isn't solved, and lost feBlend filters use to be a pain when they left applied on an object after an undone operation (unexperienced users will have a really hard time trying to see why some objects disappear or look bad over others, until they finally figure out that there's a filter applied and it has to be removed). Gez.

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Blur slider and feBlend
by Ivan Louette 10 Feb '09

10 Feb '09

In fact I find this feature very useful. The only problem is that it isn't at the best place. ----- Message transféré ---- De : Ivan Louette <ivan_louette@...48...> À : bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...> Envoyé le : Mardi, 10 Février 2009, 19h38mn 06s Objet : Re : Re : Re : initial filter scale Yes it's like a bug, but this is also the only simple way at the moment to activate this very useful kind of blend which isn't available by the Filters Editor. Thus before removing it that should be kind to offer another solution. I tried it in association with my filters and assuming you apply it after having grouped your already filtered object it works like a charm ! ________________________________ De : bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...> À : Ivan Louette <ivan_louette@...48...> Envoyé le : Mardi, 10 Février 2009, 19h29mn 11s Objet : Re: Re : Re : initial filter scale On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Ivan Louette <ivan_louette@...48...> wrote: > About "Blend to background image" I do not mean layer blend but object > blend. I send you a file to see what is activated when you blur an object > placed on top of another one now. A Blend primitive to the background image > is automatically added to the Gaussian blur filter. I think that could be a > recent change in the SVN because I noticed it only last week. Thus I think a > checkbox which allows or not Blend to the background image close to the > Opacity slider (sorry, I wrote Transparency instead of Opacity) in the Fill > and Stroke dialog would be better than linking it with blur. Blend is > visually closer to transparency than to blur. Indeed it now inserts blendmode! This looks like a bug, I will raise a hell on the devel list now. -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org ________________________________ Ne pleurez pas si votre Webmail ferme. Récupérez votre historique sur Yahoo! Mail __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ne pleurez pas si votre Webmail ferme ! Récupérez votre historique sur Yahoo! Mail ! http://fr.docs.yahoo.com/mail/transfert_mails.html

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Tango icons as default set
by Guillermo Espertino 10 Feb '09

10 Feb '09

Krzysztof Kosi?ski wrote: > No, no, no! This only makes some sense on Windows. On Linux we already > have > the GTK icon theme mechanism. We don't need a theme changer like OO.o > (which > is an outstanding example how not to do cross platform desktop > integration). > We need this: > > http://live.gnome.org/ThemableAppSpecificIcons I'm also a linux user myself, so I'd love to se your proposal implemented. The portion of my message you quoted is a little out of context, I was replying to someone who was a Windows user and thought that Tango icons are *linux only*, iirc. I was suggesting an icon theme changer in the UI if a better solution wasn't possible, but your solution is far more elegant and convenient. And honestly, I don't care much about windows :) Regards, Gez.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-cvs] SF.net SVN: inkscape:[20521] inkscape/trunk/src
by Ted Gould 10 Feb '09

10 Feb '09

Whoa! This doesn't seem like a good idea. Why are you removing the version number from the menus file? --Ted On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 15:28 +0000, tweenk@...58... wrote: > Revision: 20521 > http://inkscape.svn.sourceforge.net/inkscape/?rev=20521&view=rev > Author: tweenk > Date: 2009-01-14 15:28:20 +0000 (Wed, 14 Jan 2009) > > Log Message: > ----------- > Remove INKSCAPE_VERSION from menus-skeleton.h > > Modified Paths: > -------------- > inkscape/trunk/src/menus-skeleton.h > > Removed Paths: > ------------- > inkscape/trunk/src/inkscape_version.h.mingw > > > This was sent by the SourceForge.net collaborative development platform, the world's largest Open Source development site. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This SF.net email is sponsored by: > SourcForge Community > SourceForge wants to tell your story. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-cvs mailing list > Inkscape-cvs(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-cvs

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