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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape-devel Digest, Vol 32, Issue 50
by Guillermo Espertino 25 Jan '09

25 Jan '09

El vie, 23-01-2009 a las 22:46 +0000, Pajarico escribió: > First we don't know what is the > profile of the average Inkscape user so we don't know if he likes > tango, if he prefers one shade over differentiated colors, if he uses > other apps like Gimp or Scribus (personal opinion: i use Inky and > Indesign and Photoshop)... Hell, we don't even know what is the > majority operating systems of these users, which brings me the > following point: what is "unification"? Keep in mind that not everyone > uses Tango icons, not everyone uses gnome, and not everyone uses even > Linux! What about users in Windows or MacOS?? This won't bring any > unification for them for the most part unless they have Gimp or > Scribus (maybe other apps), and not everyone is using them with > Inkscape. So what's the deal? Well, of course it doesn't make much sense if you think about inkscape as an isolated application, but Inkscape is the flagship vector illustration program in free software, and it since we'll possibly never have a "Creative Suite" in the free software world the idea of a good integration between the main applications makes a lot of sense. One of the strengths of Adobe CS is that every application in the suite is integrated seamlessly (or at least that's what they'd want). Free software packages can't do that but at least an effort to unify criteria would benefit a good workflow between application for people who can't afford a proprietary design suite. You don't seem to care about the fact that Inkscape is free software and there are people interested in achieving a good workflow between other free packages, but that's very important for many of us. > Also about the point of icons being made of a single color vs. > multiple colors... well, maybe is matter of taste, but i like icons to > be distinctive in shape and colors. A single shade of a color won't > make them inherently "better", rather the contrary (IMHO). Adobe has > done that (single color icons with minimum saturation) and is a > hit-and-miss approach. In one hand they won't distract the user, on > the other difficulties on picking and telling apart tools might arise > (i'm talking about experience). That's something that can be discussed of course. The single shades thing was a suggestion based on how the other applications implemented their icons and on the idea that primitives are sort of "blank" objects, not something with a pre-defined style. Of course the rapid identification of the icons is a valid argument in favour of the colored icons. But I think that when it comes to frequent use items as toolbar icons users tend to memorize the position of the icon more than its shape or color. And that's why you can't find anything when you go from Inkscape to Illustrator, for instance. > I could agree that the current icons could use some improvements here > and there but bashing them and sustituting them just based on those > arguments seems a bit unfair to me. > Why we don't try to see what current icons are worth for and improve > from that? or improve the Preferences dialog to let the user choose > easily between icons sets? As english say "don't throw the baby with > the bathwater". It's not about bashing the current set. But there's a proposal to replace a set with a lot of problems for a complete, stylized and systematized set. The current Tango set has coherence. The current default set has a lot of style problems (some have chiseled look, some don't, some have saturated colors, some don't, some have outlines, some don't, there isn't apparently a color palette or some guides about how to combine the colors). It's functional, but it has a lot of problems. And fixing all those problems would require an incredible amount of work, a work that has already been done in the Tango set. You may dislike the Tango set, but you can't deny that the current state is more streamlined and look more polished if you put two screenshots together. My suggestion was to put Tango as default just to see the users reaction. As a test. Another solution would be to add a GUI for selecting different themes present in the icons folder. But I still think that a finished set is better for the default look. Gez.

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LPE dropdown box (was : NEW: LPE Interpolate)
by Steren 25 Jan '09

25 Jan '09

>> The LPE choose dropdown box is getting really huge now. Who wants to >> make mockups of what is a better system for applying effects? > > What about just a hierarchical menu with submenus, similar to the Effects menu? I think this is an issue that needs more to be discussed before coding anything (search for filters ?) Here is a first draft for LPE submenus, please comment and modify : =Artistic= // Everything that changes the path style (on a visual point of view) Freehand Shape Interpolate Sub-Paths Pattern Along Path Sketch Stitch Sub-Paths =Create= // create a very different path Gears Spiro spline ? VonKoch =Path Tweak= //small modifications Knot =Distort= // change the path shape Bend Envelope Deformation Lattice Deformation Perspective path =Technical= // tools for tech and serious drawings Angle bisector Boolops Circle (center+radius) Circle through 3 points Construct grid Mirror symmetry Offset Parallel Perpendicular bisector Ruler Rotate copies Tangent to curve

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PASS svgtestsuite-1.1 coords-units-02-b.svg
by unknown＠example.com 25 Jan '09

25 Jan '09

Hi all, Percentages are now correctly transformed to coordinates and lengths for circles, rects and lines. Now Inkscape passes svgtestsuite-1.1/coords-units-02-b.svg. Cheers, Johan

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Tango icons as default set.
by Guillermo Espertino 24 Jan '09

24 Jan '09

Since the Tango icon set for inkscape seems to be pretty complete and revised, I'd like to propose making it the default set in SVN (of course mantaining the current set as an alternative for people who preferes it). I know it is already possible to test the set easily, but I think that making it the default set will force users (of the development versions) to test it and will be a good opportunity to see if the general consensus is to leave it or roll back to the current set. It may be helpful to discover some bugs, too. What do you think? I haven't commit rights to do the change myself, so i'd like to ask someone who do, to apply the change if there are no objections.

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Interactive extensions? (Scripting console)
by Glimmer Labs 23 Jan '09

23 Jan '09

Glimmer Labs has been designing an interactive scripting console designed to provide a consistent UI for multiple languages and multiple programs called MediaScript. Currently it works standalone or as a GIMP plugin and handles several dialects of Scheme and soon will have python support. MediaScript is written in C using the GTK toolkit and will eventually be multi-platform as well. Unlike our previous scheme scripting console for Inkscape, MediaScript is a fully-featured editor with tabs, indentation, highlighting and more. (Apologies for the lack of communication about the cessation of work on SchemeInk and the development of it's successor, MediaScript.) I was looking for ways to add support for scripting Inkscape but I have not found a way to do so interactively. That is, all of the support for scripting seems to be a one time interaction, either through the command line or through menu items that call an outside program and pass it some information. Is there any API (similar to libgimp) that would be more suitable for this purpose? Is there is an incomplete system being developed I may be able to devote some time to, rather than hacking out a workaround? I remember hearing about some work that Bob Jamison was doing in this area and seeing some code stubs but I can't seem to find anything about it in the current code. Ted and MenTaLguY, I would be especially interested in hearing your thoughts on this matter. Thank you for your time, -Soren Berg

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Inkscape promotion in Colombia
by Ocetalo 22 Jan '09

22 Jan '09

Hi there! I apologize for using this list, found it most related to current topic. I've got a proposal for you. Here in Colombia there is the SENA<http://www.sena.edu.co/portal>, a government service for training people -mostly youth and low income- in several trades by technical degrees and courses, graphic design among those. As far as I know, they've been using Corel and traditionals so I want to introduce Inkscape to them. I've found someone who can help pushing into the SENA office here in Cartagena<http://www.flickr.com/photos/mariedoucet/sets/72157611795508388/>. A first step would be to prepare an introduction material for this person, something she finds atractive and digestible (bear in mind she's a bureaucrat). I think it would be of great help, given that SENA targets people who can't afford licensed programs, as well as a window for Inkscape with a big chance of national coverage. Would you be interested? God bless you

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Clamwin is flagging the 0.46 installer as infected....
by john cliff 22 Jan '09

22 Jan '09

Hi Guys, a user on the inkscapeforum has reported that clamwin is finding Trojan.Downloader-65039 in the 0.46 installer from sourceforge. I downloaded and installed clamwin and used it to check a fresh download and can confirm it flagging it. Any suggestions on what to do with it? Cheers John

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Building libraries for Win32
by Bob Jamison 21 Jan '09

21 Jan '09

Hi all, I am very sorry that I have been extremely busy with the day job since Thanksgiving (last Thurs in Nov, for you heathens (j/k) :-) ) I am going to put some text on the wiki how to build libs on win32/mingw for the bundle. It's actually quite easy. I'll start putting info on the site this weekend. But in the meantime, if you want to be able to add libs to the bundle (or build Gtk how Tor Lillqvist does it) you should download MSYS in the meantime. Several people have been trying to contact me about rebuilding Boehm-GC with a different option. I received your emails... sorry I was away at the time. This weekend, let's talk on the IRC/XMPP channel. bob

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my build.xml change
by bulia byak 21 Jan '09

21 Jan '09

This works for me, but since I rarely build for Windows I wanted to alert others in case this may turn problematic: cxxtests use python, but they assume there's a python executable in the path, which may not work for everyone, so I switched that to use ${devlibs}/python/python.exe -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

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LPE cleanup
by bulia byak 20 Jan '09

20 Jan '09

Hi guys, what if, as a first step towards 0.47, we clean up the mess in our LPE list - remove proofs of concept, hide those that only make sense in a tool, merge similar ones per our discussion, remove or fix those that crash? Can anyone who's more in the loop please make a list of suggestions? -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

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