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3D tools proposal for Inkscape (GSoC)
by The Pete 25 Mar '07

25 Mar '07

Hello, I was toying with some ideas for the 3D capabilities of Inkscape that will soon be developed. These ideas may have been floating around already, and I saw what the character Maximilian Albert proposed with the multiple Vanishing Points in his document for cubes in 3 space, and I figured it could be useful to apply to any style of primitive (such as cylinders, cones, etc...). Though, of course, with something such as a sphere, it would be rather awkward and pointeless, unless you consider an ellipsoid. Which could lead into the idea of incorporating the VPs and 3D ability with the use of Bezier curves, possibly making a sort of moldable surface applicable to cubes, cylinders, and other such primitives. Another possibility being toyed with is the extension of freehand drawings - drawing any shape (closed or not, and including the calligraphy tool), and giving it depth, to which vanishing points can be applied to. I'm not sure if these set of ideas would be considered over the top, or not in the direction the 3D project is aiming for. Of course, feedback and/or laughing is always encouraged. Thanks! -- -Peter

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] GSoC Student applicaiton deadline
by Miklós Erdélyi 25 Mar '07

25 Mar '07

The steps needed to apply for GSoC (well, just the technical ones): * Create a Google/GMail Account * Review & accept the terms of service: http://code.google.com/soc/student_step1.html * Fill in "My profile": http://code.google.com/soc/student_signup.html * Add application(s): http://code.google.com/soc/app.html Hope this helps, miklos

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GSoC Student applicaiton deadline
by Aaron Spike 25 Mar '07

25 Mar '07

Students, If you've been discussing proposals on this list and have not yet submitted your application directly to Google, do so. The application deadline is quickly approaching. http://code.google.com/soc/ If you're like me you may find it difficult to find the url for submitting applications. If somebody knows the url and could reply to this message with it that would be most helpful. Aaron Spike

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] SoC proposal: ImageMagick effects in Inkscape
by Ronan Zeegers 25 Mar '07

25 Mar '07

Tobias Jakobs wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 25.03.2007, 14:06 +0200 schrieb Ronan Zeegers: >> Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: >>> On 3/25/07, Ronan Zeegers <inkscape@...1494...> wrote: >>> >>>> Right now, the there no opensource program to do traditionnal 2D animation >>>> or storyboarding like toonboom or flash... >>> You mean there is neither KToon nor Synfig? :) >>> >>> Alexandre >>> >> Did you try those programs? >> I remember doing some basic animation stuff with KToon but... >> > > There is Pencil too. You can compile it without any problems on Linux. > > http://www.les-stooges.org/pascal/pencil/index.php?id=Home > > > Tobias Yep. I just tried it. Pretty basic but works well! Do you have wacom pressure support?? I just had to disable this function Object::exportMovie to compile it: editor.cpp:(.text+0x7e30): undefined reference to `Object::exportMovie(int, int, QMatrix, QSize, QString, int)' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [pencil] Error 1 Ronan

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fix for [ 1679367 ] no icon to justify text in dialog
by Gail Banaszkiewicz 25 Mar '07

25 Mar '07

Hey Richard! I suppose the biggest question at this point, while I put together my proposal, is what items you have been wanting to fix, improve, or add to the text code but haven't had time to do. I'd love to get an intro to the text tool, but it may have to wait until after I (hopefully) get accepted, because as useful as it would be, applications to SoC are due tomorrow, so time is important. :) That said, I'm "wing-tip" on IRC, and should be there for a good chunk of the day today. If you're around, I'd love to chat! Cheers, Gail Richard Hughes wrote: > Hi Gail. I'm the original author of a lot of the text layout and > editing code so I thought I'd check in and ask if you've got any > burning questions. It's mostly my mistakes that you'll be fixing :-) > > I haven't really been involved in the UI side of things, but once you > start getting down into the guts of the text tool it would probably be > helpful if I gave you an introduction to what's what. > > Good luck! > > Richard (cyreve).

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Fwd: [Inkscape-user-it] About text content localization in SVG file created with inkscape
by Daniel Díaz 25 Mar '07

25 Mar '07

Forwarding to the -devel list. -- ddiaz ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marco Ettore Buscaglione <mebusca@...1702...> Date: Mar 25, 2007 4:01 AM Subject: [Inkscape-user-it] About text content localization in SVG file created with inkscape To: inkscape-user-it(a)lists.sourceforge.net I can not find any Language definition in a created SVG file. Sample: >>>> <text x="688.75531" y="88.603546" style="font-size:58.21337128px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;text-align:center;line-height:125%;writing-mode:lr-tb;text-anchor:middle;fill:#000000;fill-opacity:1;stroke:none;stroke-width:1px;stroke-linecap:butt;stroke-linejoin:miter;stroke-opacity:1;font-family:Arial Unicode MS" id="text3415" xml:space="preserve"><tspan x="688.75531" y="88.603546" id="tspan3417">Prova di testo in italiano</tspan></text> >>>> To transate in local languages the text some indication of the language should be present. Such indication should be used for browsing the proper version in the proper language. Best regards. Marco Ettore Buscaglione mebusca@...1702...

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Fix for [ 1679367 ] no icon to justify text in dialog
by Gail Banaszkiewicz 25 Mar '07

25 Mar '07

My first bug is done and ready to go! It seems that I can't actually upload my patch as an attachment to the bug itself, so mental suggested creating a new entry in the patch tracker. Because I have never had a need for patches in the past, this is the first one I've made. As such, I'd like to have somebody double check that it worked ok before I officially upload it. http://gbanaszk.oasis.nexus.carleton.ca/SummerOfCode/patch-bug1679367.txt All I did here was add the justify button to the text dialog. Gail

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Illustrations for a planned 3D box tool (SoC)
by Maximilian Albert 25 Mar '07

25 Mar '07

Hi Thorsten, finally a response from me, too. ;) Since Bulia already replied to pretty much everything you said/asked, I will just make a few general comments, trying to sum it up. I think I can understand your concerns very well, since until rather recently I shared your attitude. My first brainstormed attempt for a proposal used an approach very similar to yours. I asked myself who would use this tool and tried to tailor it to this target audience. The result was something which would probably have been quite usable, but mostly for people who want to draw 2-point perspectives with a horizontal horizon. Users who are interested in more complicated and/or unusual things like the second picture on the website could certainly use it, too, but with a lot more inconvenience since they would have to start with the restricted case. On the other hand, the more general 3D tool can with minimal overhead be made behave like one that was specially designed for 2-point perspectives. Bulia managed to convince me that it is much better to allow for maximal flexibility while preserving maximal simplicity. I think the described tool satisfies this. You can quickly draw any perspective you like. And if you are not perfectly satisfied, you can change it easily. The size of the box can be changed by dragging the corners (which makes them "glide along" the viewpoints, preserving the perspective). On the other hand, the perspective can be changed either by dragging the vanishing points or by dragging the perspective lines themselves. ==> My point was not about a technical limitation, but the common practical approach to drawing in perspective: you draw a box and the VPs remain in your imagination only. The angles of the edges step into the foreground. <== Hmm, after rereading your email I finally understood your objection. And on second thought I agree that it would probably be good to include an option which allows the user to drag PLs separately, without necessarily moving them together (as would be the case when using the method described in the third paragraph). On the other hand, what you have in mind essentially results in a rotation of the dragged PL around a specific corner and within a plane spanned by two of the VPs. I could imagine that in unusual perspectives it's not totally obvious which one that should be and how the user should be able to change it (in most cases, though, it will be the plane containing the VP for the "up" direction, which lies at infinity in the first picture, as well as the one on the PL being dragged). But I will give that some further thoughts, thanks for the suggestion! On third thought ;) your desired behaviour can almost be achieved using the method in the fifth paragraph. Just shift-drag the PL to constrain the movement of the VP to the horizon. This adapts the angle at the corner in a way which should be sufficiently intuitive. It certainly also adapts the angle at another corner, but that could be remedied (if required) by dragging the horizon when that is implemented later on (see below). As far as horizons and similar things are concerned, I agree that they make life much more easier for the average user, and I think we should provide the relevant functionality sooner or later. But in the beginning it is probably best to confine ourselves to the very basics and to make them work/behave properly and intuitively. Later on it's then no problem to add a horizon, make it draggable, restrict the movements of VPs to it, and many more things you could think of. But let's not attack these things before the core tool really works. Cheers, Max >From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Mar 25 09:24:21 2007 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:24:07 +0200 From: Thorsten Wilms <t_w_@...123...> To: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: <20070325162407.GB4611@...1413...> References: <46055F5C.4020403@...173...> <20070324185647.GA4642@...1413...> <3c78ff030703241206y1a44bc8clb41f9885c63337b@...401...> <20070324194945.GB4642@...1413...> <3c78ff030703241340i6ab7965bvcad52f0218a2049@...401...> <20070324212942.GC4642@...1413...> <3c78ff030703241449p5ecfa901pc45db28c0f7119a0@...401...> <20070325080322.GA4611@...1413...> <46069D9C.9010503@...173...> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <46069D9C.9010503@...173...> Priority: normal X-Mailer: Mutt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Warning: 80.138.82.18 is listed at list.dsbl.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Report problems to http://sf.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1&atid=200001 Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Illustrations for a planned 3D box tool (SoC) X-BeenThere: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: t_w_@...123... List-Id: <inkscape-devel.lists.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel>, <mailto:inkscape-devel-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=inkscape-devel> List-Post: <mailto:inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> List-Help: <mailto:inkscape-devel-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel>, <mailto:inkscape-devel-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:24:21 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 06:04:44PM +0200, Maximilian Albert wrote: > finally a response from me, too. ;) Since Bulia already replied to > pretty much everything you said/asked, I will just make a few general > comments, trying to sum it up. Ok, I see my input has been considered and I look forward to the first prototype ;) -- Thorsten Wilms Thorwil's Creature Illustrations: http://www.printfection.com/thorwil

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Fwd: Re: SoC proposal: ImageMagick effects in Inkscape]
by Ronan Zeegers 25 Mar '07

25 Mar '07

Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On 3/25/07, Ronan Zeegers <inkscape@...1494...> wrote: > >> Right now, the there no opensource program to do traditionnal 2D animation >> or storyboarding like toonboom or flash... > > You mean there is neither KToon nor Synfig? :) > > Alexandre > Did you try those programs? I remember doing some basic animation stuff with KToon but... What I think about KToon is that, the UI is bit strange (and wasting lot of pixel space), The brush tool is not has good has the inkscape one. And I don't think that we can find all that great stuffs that are in inkscape now like clone, linked clone, mask, blur, ... Even the node editing is far more advanced. It's the same problem about Synfig: lots of crash, strange UI and annoying flying windows. I just think that Inkscape have more chance to become an usable and powerfull 2d animation program first. KToon and synfig still needs lot of love! > > The SVG specification already provides for multiple frames and > animation; please read: > > http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/animate.html > > We just need to implement what's already specified. Thanx for the info! Ronan

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Fwd: Re: SoC proposal: ImageMagick effects in Inkscape]
by Ronan Zeegers 25 Mar '07

25 Mar '07

Nicholas Bishop wrote: > OK. Any other suggestions as to what projects Inkscape does need that > aren't being worked on by others? > > -Nicholas > Hey Nicolas! Glade to see you working on inkscape this year. The sculpt tool you did for blender is incredible! Here is a test I did in 1 day during the developpement of blender 2.43 (remember, the shapekeys bugs? :) ): http://www.ronanzeegers.com/showreel/Moontest.mpeg If you need suggestions for SoC this year, I have one: why not push inkscape more to the animation area? Right now, the there no opensource program to do traditionnal 2D animation or storyboarding like toonboom or flash... Inkscape could become a great tool for 2D animation. Here is a description of what need to be done: More important: -Add something to handel multiple draws/pages/frames (maybe trought the <mutlipage> svg tag?). -Add a timeline to handle keyframes and the duration of keyframes. -Add onion skin function. -Add realtime playback (temporary ram cache ?). -Add "export multiple frames" function. Secondary stuffs: -Improve the Brush/Calligraphic tool with automatic boolean function (like the one of flash). With that kind of option, it would be easy to add Eraser Tool... -Add an UI to handel different brush shapes/options. -Add a Cut Tool I would like to work on those area myslef to but with my actual coder skills, it would take years before getting something. So if you are interessed in those area, I'm sure you can make the opensource world for animators a better place ;) see you, Ronan

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