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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Hi
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23 Aug '06

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Rejuvenate Sodipodi as 'Inkscape Lite'
by Void 23 Aug '06

23 Aug '06

Bryce, Thanks very much for taking the time to give such a detailed reply. To explain a little bit more about the situation. The official 'standard' Puppy Linux liveCD is intended to run on older PCs and to load totally into RAM. Hence my interest in a smaller Inkscape. However, Puppy is highly customisable, and various 'chubby' versions of Puppy get released. It is very easy to remaster the CD -- just download any extra packages, run the remaster-cd script, and a new squashfs file is created and burnt to CD -- and it will still all load into RAM if you have say 256M or more, or have a swap partition. So, we will still offer the latest Inkscape. But, I would like the "lite" version in the 'standard' liveCD. I downloaded 0.36 and it compiled ok. Note, I used '--without-gnome-print' -- Puppy does have libgnomeprint, libgnomecanvas, and libgnomeprintui, as required for Abiword and Gnumeric, but Inkscape seems to need more than that. Okay, Inkscape 0.36 runs, but when I choose File -> Print... from the menu, up pops a msg: "Inkscape encountered an internal error and will close now." On the commandline there is this error msg: "(inkscape:31765): CRITICAL **: sp_module_db_register: assertion 'module->id != NULL' failed" Note, in Sodipodi it does work ok. It was also compiled with '--without-gnome-print'. I'm prepared to have a go at fixing this, but I was wondering if that error message means anything to you, and if you can give me a clue where to look. I'm proposing to call this (assuming I fix the printing!) "InkscapeLite" and the executable "inkscapelite" and arrange so there is no clash if the full Inkscape package is installed later by a Puppy user. regards, Barry Kauler > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 10:52:08AM +1000, Void wrote: > > You guys are going to laugh at this suggestion > > ...but I thought that I would ask anyway. > > > > Up until recently we had Sodipodi in Puppy, but > > many people complained they did not like the user > > interface (although I personally find it okay). > > So, I went over to Inkscape, but that uses Gtkmm > > and the binary package is about FIVE TIMES > > BIGGER than Sodipodi. > > Note that Gtkmm itself is not the cause of this size increase. There > are a number of libraries that have been added to Inkscape to > enable so many of the features it's gained over the years. Gtkmm is > just one of these additions. > > The real cause is probably the fact that we shifted from C to C++. > Compiled C++ code is well known to require more disk space and memory. > Inkscape doubled in size overnight when we shifted from C-based > compilation to C++-based compilation. Gtkmm and other libs are in C++ > so they're in the same situation. > > > What I would really like is to go back to > > Sodipodi. I will then be able to dump the Gtkmm > > library (about 4M uncompressed) and Inkscape > > (about 6M uncompressed). Sodipodi is only about > > 2M. To satisfy the critics and to greatly > > rejuvinate the Sodipodi project, redesigning the > > menu to a "conventional" one would be truly > > fantastic. > > > > Is this suggestion totally outrageous? Any > > Yes, it does seem illogical... If your goal is simply to have a lighter > weight drawing tool, then why not just use an older version of Inkscape? > Version 0.35 is basically the same as Sodipodi 0.34, except with a lot > of code cleanup and bug fixes. Inkscape 0.36 would probably be a better > choice - it's still from before we fully moved to C++ (I think it's the > only version of Sodipodi or Inkscape that compiles perfectly using > either a C or C++ compiler), and the rpm is actually smaller than the > sodipodi 0.34 rpm (867 kb for Inkscape vs. 1.15M for Sodipodi). Plus, > Inkscape 0.36 is when we switched from the CSDI interface to the current > SDI one, so since your users are asking for the SDI type interface, it > would be logical to start from this, instead of having to reinvent all > that work yourself. Plus, you'd be more likely to get some support from > Inkscape developers if you run into bugs or wish to backport things, > than if you were developing from something derived directly from > Sodipodi. > > Look at http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/PastMilestones to see > what things were done in the early days of Inkscape. You should > also review the release notes for these early versions to see what > features you'd gain or lose for selecting different versions. > > E.g. http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/ReleaseNotes035 > http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/ReleaseNotes036 > > Bryce > > > > > > ________________________________________________ Dodo - an Official Sponsor of the 2006 FORMULA 1 (tm) Foster's Australian Grand Prix

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0.44.1 pre1??? what about bug 1535218???
by momo 23 Aug '06

23 Aug '06

Hi all, Sorry to post this here, but today Mental posted in the devel list that 0.44.1pre1 is beeing released, althought nobody seem to react to a critical bug report in the bug tracker at sourceforge. I am talking about bug 1535218 (or should I actually call it a regression as it didn't appear in 0.44 release and was introduced in later devel builds) is beeing fixed by someone? I reported it 10 days ago, and it seems that no one is interested in fixing it... But for users, it is a showstopper, as it occurs always when the object's fill gradient is applied to object's stroke (steps to reproduce are described in the bug tracker, see http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1535218&group_id=9… ) It is still present in today's inkscape-0608151000 build, and I'd hate to see this bug make it to 0.44.1 release... Thanks! Molumen

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Rejuvenate Sodipodi as 'Inkscape Lite'
by Void 23 Aug '06

23 Aug '06

You guys are going to laugh at this suggestion ...but I thought that I would ask anyway. I'm the lead developer of Puppy Linux. Puppy Linux is extremely small, the live-CD is only 70M and we have a full suite of GUI applications, including Seamonkey, Abiword, Gnumeric and Inkscape. Up until recently we had Sodipodi in Puppy, but many people complained they did not like the user interface (although I personally find it okay). So, I went over to Inkscape, but that uses Gtkmm and the binary package is about FIVE TIMES BIGGER than Sodipodi. One of the key features of Puppy is that when booting from CD, the whole thing loads into RAM, thus freeing up the CD drive for other uses, also giving incredible speed. We use squashfs to keep it small. Our target is that Puppy must load into RAM on a 128M PC, however Puppy is now getting a bit too fat. What I would really like is to go back to Sodipodi. I will then be able to dump the Gtkmm library (about 4M uncompressed) and Inkscape (about 6M uncompressed). Sodipodi is only about 2M. To satisfy the critics and to greatly rejuvinate the Sodipodi project, redesigning the menu to a "conventional" one would be truly fantastic. That '6M' figure is for a cut-down Inkscape, with docs and inkview removed, and some other items either removed or cutdown (like the about.svg file). I contacted one of the old developers of Sodipodi and he explained that there were personality conflicts that caused the Inkscape project fork, then Sodipodi had some bursts of activity, then died. He also warned me the code is crappy in places. What I'm thinking of is a "Inkscape Lite" based on the Sodipodi code, with some improvements backported from the full Inkscape. The number one thing would be to change the menu structure to the "normal" arrangement. Is this suggestion totally outrageous? Any Inkscape developer guy with considerable experience with Sodipodi code may consider this idea to be attractive? Regards, Barry Kauler Puppy URL: http://www.puppyos.com/ My Puppy Developer News page: http://www.puppyos.net/news/ Forum: http://www.murga.org/~puppy/ ________________________________________________ Dodo - an Official Sponsor of the 2006 FORMULA 1 (tm) Foster's Australian Grand Prix

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] WEBFORM Would like to exchange partner links with you.
by Ben Fowler 22 Aug '06

22 Aug '06

On 22/08/06, P2L Information <info@...1431...> wrote: > Hi Ben, > > ... I don't want to get flamed by *.* for posting > something/somewhere I shouldn't. I don't think that you will get flamed as a result of any honest attempt to help. The main pages for outgoing links are: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/OtherProjects : which I suspect was intended for software, and specifically software thta had something in common with Inkscape. It is now used as general page for any links of interest. http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/TutorialIdeas : which is a rather more lively page, but may not be quite what suits you. You may find some other pages linked from the main page, http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page of some interest. Ben. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Fowler [mailto:ben.the.mole@...400...] > On 21/08/06, Dan Richard <info@...1431...> wrote: > > Message from Inkscape submission form > > > > name: Dan Richard > > email: info@...1431... > > > > My name is Dan Richard and I am the owner of Pixel2life, probably one > > of the largest tutorial index search engines on the net ... > > I appreciate that you have come here using an impersonal mechanism, the > webform, but you appear to have sent a "form" or circular mail to the dev > list. > > You are very welcome to improve our list of tutorials and similar resources > by creating a username on our wiki: > http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Userlogin .

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WEBFORM Would like to exchange partner links with you.
by Dan Richard 22 Aug '06

22 Aug '06

Message from Inkscape submission form Please note, that the submitter may not read this list. CC your answer to the submitter name: Dan Richard email: info@...1431... submitted the following: My name is Dan Richard and I am the owner of Pixel2life, probably one of the largest tutorial index search engines on the net catering to graphic designers, webmasters and programmers. We have recently opened an area as requested by our users for Inkscape, which can be seen at http://www.pixel2life.com/tutorials/inkscape/ and I was wondering if you would be interested in linking to us from the inkscape.org website. In exchange, we would provide a link to your site either in our Friends area on the left of the site under the category menu (this is found on all pages of the site) or we can add your logo in the footer of our site as a Software Partner. The software partner section is something we just started telling people about as of Friday, so this is a new incentive we are proposing. We would really like to expand our services to the Inkscape community, and help webmasters that write this kind of documentation to get the word out about their sites, as well as help the new kids on the block get into the graphics program. In terms of traffic, we currently receive approx 25,000 visitors a day with about 10 million page loads a month. If this interests you in any way, please let me know how you would like to proceed, or if you have any questions or concerns. Thanks in advance, Dan Daniel Richard www.pixel2life.com

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release
by Jon Phillips 21 Aug '06

21 Aug '06

Heya...when are we going to cut a release? Weren't we going to try a shorter release time this time? What are people working on anyway and/or interested in working on? Anybody up for SVG-Tiny compliance? Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: rejon@...896... IRC: rejon@...897... Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) Creative Commons (www.creativecommons.org) San Francisco Art Institute (www.sfai.edu)

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0.44.1pre1 released
by MenTaLguY 21 Aug '06

21 Aug '06

I've tagged and uploaded inkscape-0.44.1pre1. This is the time to check it out and find problems before the final 0.44.1 release, as well as for any needed translation work to be done. Let me know ASAP if you find a problem or have something that needs to go in for 0.44.1. -mental

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C++ libs on win32
by Bob Jamison 21 Aug '06

21 Aug '06

Hi, all. Although we have been keeping somewhat up-to-date with bugfix versions of the gtk+ C libs for the last year, the C++ libraries (libsigc++, glibmm, gtkmm) have not been updated at all in that same time, and I have been worried that a mismatch might start generating bugs. So today I built those libs atop the current gtk+ libs, and uploaded them here: http://inkscape.modevia.com/win32libs/gtk28-060820.7z You don't really -need- this one, but if you use it, there is one small difference. Since the previous gtkmm set was built with the cross-compiler, the variable GLIBMM_DLL was not defined properly. So to make the compiling and linking with DLLs work ok, we define it in Makefile.mingw.common as -DGLIBMM_DLL. In the new set, that variable exists properly, so you will get warnings that GLIBMM_DLL has been redefined. I guess in a week or so it would be good to take it out. But for people who have the new stuff it is a warning and with the old stuff, it is an error. Better safe than sorry. bob

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