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RE: [Inkscape-devel] 0.44 plans
by Charles Moir 25 Nov '05

25 Nov '05

> From: bulia byak .. > P.S. As a "usability hall of shame" footnote, in the same > situation (clicking on a color swatch with nothing selected) > Xara always displays a "do you want to set the color as > default for new objects" dialog. This used to drive me mad. But it gives exactly what Tavmjong is asking for. So (obviously) I'll disagree that there's anything wrong with this way of doing things. We believe it's better and here's why. We only did it this way after looking at how users use the product (and competitor products), and after long and hard discussion as to the merits of all approaches. The bottom line is that it is a reasonable expectation that user want to work the way Tavmjong does. So our eventual approach satisfies all camps. A) You can configure Xara so that 'last applied style become current' so it acts like Illustrator and Inkscape. When you draw new things they take on the style of the last thing you drew. But this is not always a good thing or what you want. So, you can do it the other way; That all new objects are drawn in the 'default' style which you can define. B) If you change any attribute (e.g. select a color) when no object is selected, the user is obviously trying to do something. So I could argue that the hall of shame should be an application that ignores the fact the user is trying to do something, or disables controls with no obvious reason why (or worse disables some style controls and not others - I admit we have our fair share of these as well) So really all we're doing is prompting the user 'hey you just did something and I'm not sure what you want.' and we give them these choices; [ Set ] Sets the selected attribute the be the default for all new objects [ Cancel ] Oops, sorry I didn't mean to do that, go away [ Quiet ] Please shut-up and stop asking me this damn question (just for Bulia so it doesn't drive him mad any more) [ Help ] So we can explain what on earth this is all about. So the idea was that this satisfies everyone. Take the case of the text tool - the same point applies. We default to 10pt Arial, but this is a very personal thing of course. Just because you changed the font of a small bit of text somewhere, does that really mean you want all new text to appear in that style? (I see Inkscape is inconsistent here. Edit the colour of an object and this becomes the colour for all new objects, whether you like it or not. Edit the font, and this does not become the new font.) So Xara has a simple, global rule; try to apply any style or attribute with nothing selected and you can make it the default new style (font, colour, fill style, whatever). So we have a orthogonal model, that is actually easier to use than Inkscape (less to learn and less case-specific UI) and is more powerful (it does what Tavmjong is wanting, and gives the user the choice as to how they work, even Bulia's way) I see Inkscape has, for example, as 'Set as default' button in the text dialog. So does this mean that I have different UI for setting the default style or attribute for each of the possible styles or attribute? That's not good surely? Charles

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] libintl.h
by Ralf Stephan 25 Nov '05

25 Nov '05

This is interesting for devel: J-F Lemaire: > There's also a SuSE 10 RPM of Inkscape here: > http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/rpm-navigation.php?cat=/Office/inkscape Can we put that link on the web page, please, or does this posting suffice? ralf

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[root@...1070...: [Inkscape-tester] inkscape build report]
by Bryce Harrington 25 Nov '05

25 Nov '05

Warnings all gone, back to our regular 7. :-) Bryce ----- Forwarded message from root <root@...1070...> ----- Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:21:02 -0800 From: root <root@...1070...> To: inkscape-tester(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Inkscape-tester] inkscape build report = Analysis Report for inkscape = Report Time: Thu Nov 24 02:56:09 2005 (Run 815) Snapshot: inkscape-20051124-0140.tar.bz2 Status: finished Platform Unpack Config Build Install WRNS ERRS ------------------------------------------------------------------------ debian x86 0 0 0 0 7 0 Test Status Score Info ------------------------------------------------------------------------ sut-1 ?? == Errors == none == Warnings == seltrans.cpp:651: warning: `void sp_sel_trans_handle_click(SPKnot*, unsigned int, void*)' defined but not used sp-item.cpp:151: warning: converting to non-pointer type `double' from NULL sp-item.cpp:152: warning: converting to non-pointer type `double' from NULL display/canvas-arena.cpp:87: warning: invalid access to non-static data member `SPCanvasArenaClass::arena_event' of NULL object display/canvas-arena.cpp:87: warning: (perhaps the `offsetof' macro was used incorrectly) display/sp-canvas.cpp:133: warning: invalid access to non-static data member `SPCanvasItemClass::event' of NULL object display/sp-canvas.cpp:133: warning: (perhaps the `offsetof' macro was used incorrectly) == Environment Summary == ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click _______________________________________________ Inkscape-tester mailing list Inkscape-tester(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-tester ----- End forwarded message -----

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v0.43 win32 small fonts
by Andy Burns 24 Nov '05

24 Nov '05

Hi there, Just upgraded from 0.42- to 0.43-1 on winXP and the font used on menus/dialogs seems considerably smaller than on previous versions (did it use the system font previously?) also the menus seem less responsive, taking a noticable time to draw. Is this "expected" behaviour that is due to GTK/GTKmm changes or a change within inkscape itself? Or is it just me ;-)

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libintl.h
by Jonathan Chetwynd 24 Nov '05

24 Nov '05

New Clean Suse 10 installation installing 0.43 from tar. specifically to try pressure sensitivity in inkscape, but.. WARNING libintl.h: present but cannot be compiled check for missing prerequisite headers? see the Autoconf documentation section "Present but cannot be compiled" proceeding with the preprocessor's result in the future the compiler will take precedence --- Please report this to the inkscape lists --- regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessible Solutions http://www.eas-i.co.uk

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local.h
by Jonathan Chetwynd 24 Nov '05

24 Nov '05

New Clean Suse 10 installation installing 0.43 from tar. specifically to try pressure sensitivity in inkscape, but.. WARNING local.h: present but cannot be compiled check for missing prerequisite headers? see the Autoconf documentation section "Present but cannot be compiled" proceeding with the preprocessor's result in the future the compiler will take precedence --- Please report this to the inkscape lists --- regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessible Solutions http://www.eas-i.co.uk

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front page update
by bulia byak 24 Nov '05

24 Nov '05

Can someone please update the front page with the news of new 0.43 builds for OSX and Windows that fix the much-reported issues with the original builds? -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

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Inkscape 0.43 Out
by Jon Phillips 24 Nov '05

24 Nov '05

Yes, 0.43 Press and whatnot are out. Could someone please post an announcement on the main page of the website. Also, please forward and post at will the new release announcement! Congrats to everyone on this solid release! Now onto 0.44! :) Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: rejon@...896... IRC: rejon@...897... Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) Creative Commons (www.creativecommons.org) San Francisco Art Institute (www.sfai.edu)

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Gtk/OSX news article
by Bob Jamison 23 Nov '05

23 Nov '05

There is some potentially very good news for GTK+ on Mac OSX. Apparently, there is a new effort to try to port it natively. (There was a previous attempt years ago). I don't know if it means Fink-less and/or X-less, but this could be awesome for us fd.o fans. http://gnomedesktop.org/node/2483 Bob

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schema documentation
by unknown＠example.com 23 Nov '05

23 Nov '05

Now that I have voulunteered to document our schema extensions in teh inkscape and sodipodi namespaces, I realize tha tI have no idea how to do that, where to start, or even if I am using the right words. Help! I do know that the attributes are stored here: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/inkscape/inkscape/src/attributes.cpp?… Probably a good idea to document the *.inx file again too since I lost my first attempt. Aaron

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