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Wiki!
by Jon Phillips 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

http://wiki.inkscape.org/ is our new wiki location. I updated on the website. It redirs to: http://wiki.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl Please help me find any place on the site and in our documentation that refers to the old one. It works! Thanks again to fd.o and anholt who are awesome! * Michael you can add what you wanted to add now... For memory sake, it is hosted under the create.freedesktop.org project...in a folder called wiki_inkscape Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: rejon@...896... IRC: rejon@...897... Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org)

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Re: Clip Art Browser
by Jon Phillips 25 Aug '05

25 Aug '05

Please, don't forget to reply to the lists...how else can other people learn and help out? Replies below on and on the lists. Replies below... On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 21:03 -0400, Greg Steffensen wrote: > Hey, glad its working. Some of your points are related, so I'll > address those together. > > > 1.) The first time the app loads, there should be all image > loaded, or > some kind of random image, or some kind of text that says > search for > what you need...basically, users need help. > > Good idea. Loading all images would take an unreasonable amount of > memory, but a text prompt in the results pane is very doable. Ok, maybe just load then like the last search, or some random search, or random images. The text as well should be included to make it more friendly IMO. > 2.) When dragging in clip art, could it land in Inkscape where > it is > dropped? Is this an Inkscape or a Clip Art Browser issue? > > This is an Inkscape issue. I've been trying to fix this, and I > believe the relevent code is in the sp_ui_drag_data_received function > in interface.cpp . The fix doesn't appear hard; just take the x and y > parameters to the function (which are currently unused), find what > coordinates in the document correspond to that point on the screen, > and set the x, y attributes on the outermost element of the incoming > xml accordingly. Unfortunately, I don't know what function to use to > map screen coordinates to document coordinates. Inkscape folk...can you help Greg out with this one? > > 3.) Where are the titles for all the clip art? > > The icon titles should be the metadata titles; are you seeing > something different? Also, the title should be listed near the bottom > of the right hand pane when a specific icon is active. It says "No Title" in all the searches I do under the clip art. I'm assuming that each has title in the metadata? Where is the problem at? > > 4.) Could the right pane collapse, or be collapsed at the > beginning? > > Sure, though from a user interface perspective, I'm not sure that its > good to have the dimensions of the main window be changing > dynamically. The large, empty space initially doesn't look good > either though. Right, I'm not saying that it opens and closes, but should probably start up closed...look at the file open and save in inkscape and gimp for reference/examples. > > 5.) Is there a way to add a light preferences menu, or a > button to this. > I wonder if it is wise to put a menu or some kind of icon bar > in this > app. I'm leaning towards icon menu rather than a menu because > it will be > used inside apps for the most part. > > > Right now, I'm working on turning the whole interface into a gtk > notebook that will have 3 tabs: search, browse, and settings. I'm > nervous about this, because I'm just having a hard time coming up with > any reasonable visual interface for the browse tab, but I'll discuss > that more below. Cool... > > 6.) When doing a search, the app goes non-responsive for long > periods of > time which is bad IMO. > > > Definitely agree; this is an Inkscape issue, and after looking through > the extensions code a bit, I suspect its a non-trivial fix. You could > partially fix this by having the subprocess that Inkscape spawns for > the extension spawn the real extension process and then return > immediately, giving Inkscape back the unaltered document. You could > then insert clip art by dragging and dropping, but not by selecting an > image. The issue is that Inkscape effects extensions work by writing > the current document to the extensions's standard input, waiting > (freezing), then reading the modified document on standard input. To > keep it responsive during the waiting period, you'd have to spawn > another thread that would poll the extension continuously. This could > be done by modifications to extension/implementation/script.cpp, but I > haven't attempted this yet. This is yet another area that Inkscape hackers can help. Ted and others, can you look into this and help Greg out? (This is another benefit of always cc'ing the lists...this is open source, right) ;) > 7.) Could you add some kind of link to the image or to the > open clip art > library that says "get more clip art" > > Not sure what you mean here. Basically, a plug to get more clip art at Open Clip Art Library. For example, if there are no results, maybe have a link that encourages ppl. to go to www.openclipart.org to find more imagery. > > 8.) When running the Clip Art Browser, Inkscape is blocked and > appears > frozen so then it is not possible to do drag and drop...not > good! This > should be fixed. The Clip Art Browser should be spawned, the > pid > recorded, etc, so that Inkscape controls that process, but so > that > Inkscape can continue... > > Yeah, I tried to describe why this is above. Spawning the browser off > into its own app would work, but you lose the ability to write to the > pipe that did the spawning, which means you can't use the traditional > effect extension interface to modify the document. And the only other > IPC technique to modify the document then is gtk drag-drop, I believe. > The way effect extensions are implemented, as long as that original > pipe is open, Inkscape is frozen (uh, right, guys)?. Again, I think > this might be solvable with threads. > Ted, others? > > 9.) The name of the program, Clip Art Browser needs to be made > consistent throughout the code > > Working on that for 0.32, which I intend to release absolutely ASAP. Cool! Ok, lets get the next release on Inkscape infrastructure ok... > > 10.) You need to make the clip art indexer take an argument as > to where > the clipart folder is, and then it needs to also take an > argument for > where to install the index.dat it generates...if this arg. is > not passed > in, then generate that file in the same dir. as where the > script is run. > > This is actually how I implemented it initially, before I started > worrying that I was making everything too complex. But I agree, and > will switch it back. cool > > 11.) There should be some kind of information in the GUI as to > how many > images are at the apps disposal. > > Good idea... only prob is that this will require some way to retrieve > this info from ocal. The ocal web site currently just says "Over 4300 > clips.", which isn't quite usable, unless I'm desperate. For the on-disk clipart this shouldn't be a problem...on ocal, this will be query-able with dms...maybe not now though ;) > > 12.) Some kind of browse by category would be nice. > > I have absolutely been wracking my brain about how to do the interface > for this. If I'm willing to make the interface target OCAL in > particular, and not arbitrary clip art repositories, its not > difficult, but if you want to connect it to arbitrary repositories > (such as custom local ones) that may have differing category > structures, providing a browsing interface becomes more challenging. > For now, the best solutions I see are to either hard code OCAL's > category structure, or let users only browse one repository at a time. > Right now, I'm trying to implement the former. There's some other > more complex issues too, including the performance of trying to browse > ocal over the network, but they're not worth going into on the list. Maybe make this a page in the notebook, but save it for last, right. :) Does anyone have any ideas for this? > 13.) Some kind of browse alphabetically would be nice > too... :) > > This can be done without too much trouble for local clip art, but will > require server-side additions to be used for querying ocal over the > network. > > Anyway, I promise I'm coding like mad nowadays to get this stuff in > there. 0.32 will be out soon. Thanks for the feedback, I expect to > be able to implement most of it, as described above. Cool...any feedback on Makefile? It is good to add this kind of infrastructure that makes testers and other developers' lives easy. Never forget that programmers are lazy! Jon > > > -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: rejon@...896... IRC: rejon@...897... Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org)

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Re: still getting clipartbrowser errors
by Jon Phillips 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 17:54 -0400, Greg Steffensen wrote: > Hey, the path to your indexed clipart directory isn't set correctly in > the configuration file. Make sure it points to whatever directory you > just indexed... that directory should now contain an "index.dat" file; > if that file can't be found (or is in the wrong format), you'll get > the above error. Ok, first of all on most systems where the clipart is installed as a package, then this file is not modifiable. I would recommend installing this index in a users' local dir by default and not dig into /usr/share/clipart for this. There is going to be permissions problems (as I ran into) on this...I think we must assume that most ppl. will be installing the clipart from a package as super-user. Also, please reply to things on list :) I have done this... How can others learn if they don't know the answers from the clip art browser pro :) Jon > On 8/24/05, Jon Phillips <jon@...235...> wrote: > [rejon@...966...:~/Documents/projects/clipart-project/openclipartnav/clipartnav] > $ ./clipartnav.py > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./clipartnav.py", line 497, in ? > searcher = Searcher(config) > File "./clipartnav.py", line 58, in __init__ > self.repos.append((mod.API(config), cache)) > File > "/home/rejon/Documents/projects/clipart-project/openclipartnav/clipartnav/modules/localocal.py", line 12, in __init__ > index = shelve.open(indexFile) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/shelve.py", line 231, in open > return DbfilenameShelf(filename, flag, protocol, > writeback, binary) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/shelve.py", line 212, in __init__ > Shelf.__init__(self, anydbm.open(filename, flag), > protocol, > writeback, binary) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/anydbm.py", line 83, in open > return mod.open(file, flag, mode) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/dbhash.py", line 16, in open > return bsddb.hashopen(file, flag, mode) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/bsddb/__init__.py", line 293, in > hashopen > d.open(file, db.DB_HASH, flags, mode) > bsddb._db.DBNoSuchFileError: (2, 'No such file or directory') > Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "DbfilenameShelf instance > has no > attribute 'writeback'" in ignored > > I have pygtk, python 2.4, and pretty much everything else in > place. I > even indexed my clipart. > > What is the dealio? > > Jon > > > -- > Jon Phillips > > San Francisco, CA > USA PH 510.499.0894 > jon@...235... > http://www.rejon.org > > MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto > Jabber Chat: rejon@...896... > IRC: rejon@...897... > > Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) > Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) > > -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: rejon@...896... IRC: rejon@...897... Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org)

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DDJ / SOC
by Bryce Harrington 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

For those students that are interested, Dr. Dobbs Journal will be running an issue with summaries of the various SOC projects (see attached message.) Bryce ----- Forwarded message from Greg Wilson <gvwilson@...965...> ----- Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:33:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Wilson <gvwilson@...965...> To: summer-administrators@...820... Cc: ddj.soc@...400... Reply-To: summer-administrators@...820... Subject: re: DDJ / SOC Hi again, Just to clear up a couple of points that people have been asking about: 1) We'd like one article per mentor/student pair, rather than one article per sponsoring organization. (Cramming all the Apache articles into 400 words would be...challenging... ;-) 2) The average DDJ reader is pretty sophisticated --- 5-10 years in industry, speaks C well, knows one or two other languages, has some familiarity with threading and sockets, etc. --- so articles can be fairly dense (as in, you do *not* need to start with, "The Internet has revolutionized the way people access information." ;-) 3) Screen shots: send us full resolution, please, and we'll cut it down if we need to. 4) Format: the production staff are comfortable with plain old text (you can use the usual email/wiki conventions for *emphasis*), RTF (*not* .doc, for fear of infection), or minimalist HTML (nothing too funky). You'll get PDF or similar back to check before it runs. 5) By all means, have colleagues look it over, but please don't blog it, or post it on the web, before we've run it. 6) And by all means, if you want to write up your projects for other venues, please go ahead --- if you can find a home for a longer article on your work, then as far as we're concerned, the more publicity SOC gets, the better. All we ask is that you don't plagiarize yourself too much, in either direction. Thanks, Greg ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: AW: [Inkscape-devel] Re: [Inkscape-cvs] inkscape/packaging/win32
by unknown＠example.com 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

Quoting "Taraben, Adib" <taraben.a@...50...>: > I also hope not, > > the file in the CVS was not buildable. It missed some closing <"> > for the strings. :-( > But the file is not in the source.tar.gz so there would be no > change and so no need for a .3 version :-) Well, it's probably safe to bump the 0_42_2 tag on it then. -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-cvs] inkscape/packaging/win32
by unknown＠example.com 24 Aug '05

24 Aug '05

Quoting Adib Taraben <theadib@...58...>: > Update of /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/packaging/win32 > In directory sc8-pr-cvs1.sourceforge.net:/tmp/cvs-serv2432 > > Modified Files: > Tag: RELEASE_0_42_BRANCH > inkscape.nsi > Log Message: > completed string terminators for translations, added patch for > bug1258900 from Kees Er, you missed 0.42.2... This isn't something that will require an 0.42.3, I hope? -mental

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granularity
by Ralf Stephan 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

Hi, Another reason for excessive recompilation is the missing granularity due to the sodipodi/C heritage. Here are files that contain functions for several classes and must include headers for both. Although they are related, they could be perfectly separated into two files: desktop.cpp: SPDesktop, SPDesktopWidget sp-item.cpp: SPItem, SPItemView display/sp-curve.cpp: SPCurve, NArtBPath display/sp-canvas.cpp: SPCanvas, SPCanvasItem ui/view/view.cpp: SPView, SPViewWidget Granularity is good[tm]. I want to separate. Who is holding me back? ralf

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0.42.2 tagged
by MenTaLguY 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

OK, release folks. 0.42.2 is tagged, containing all the stuff that was originally slated for 0.42.1. Do your release thing, and let's put this paper bag thing behind us once and for all... -mental

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(no subject)
by unknown＠example.com 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

Hi everyone, I am trying to put together a page showing the status of static rendering between the various free SVG packages out there. Mostly to make sure that librsvg and inkscape renders images as identically as possible. But Inkscape refuse to render most of the w3c testsuite from the command line. I am using this command line: inkscape -z --file=$i --export-png= $NAME_NO_EXT.png --export-width=160 --export-height=120 Which generate the result you can see on the current testpage: http://www.linuxrising.org/svg_test/test.html Any suggestions? Christian

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remaining showstoppers for 0.42.1
by MenTaLguY 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

OK, 0.42.1 is pretty much ready to go, except there are two remaining issues I want to get nailed down first: 1. Mac OS X folks: is it possible for us to add some workaround for the user having to run "sudo /usr/X11R6/bin/fc-cache" manually on Tiger? 2. There's a layer name crash which has popped up again that I want to get nailed down. Anyone else got anything? -mental

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