November 2016 - Inkscape Devel

Survey
by Victor Westmann 26 Nov '16

26 Nov '16

Hi Guys, I was just wondering if we could run a simple and quick survey to our users to get to know them better and to know what they know about the software and how much are they involved with the project (software and community), This is just a draft so improvements and thoughts are more than welcome: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CcV6rEYq5iIzZKkx_qPU6G5rp0O5D UM0EfQ3hD_Gt4o/edit?usp=sharing What do you guys think? This initiative took place inspired in the "State of JS" survey: http://stateofjs.com/2016/introduction/ Cheers! --Victor Westmann

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Inkscape for embroidery
by Michael Soegtrop 26 Nov '16

26 Nov '16

Dear Inkscape Developers, I added a few features to Inkscape for use in embroidery, because the commercial tools available don't offer the artistic flexibility I want. I would like to have your opinion on if you think it makes sense to integrate such functionality into the Inkscape mainline, or if it would be too much of a stretch. It boils down to some LPEs and an export format. The commercial tool I have from Bernina (a Swiss sewing machine manufacturer) is based on Corel Draw. Below is a list of the additions I did / I am working on. Please let me know what you think about this. With these additions, Inkscape offers substantially more flexibility than affordable commercial SW (and affordable here means 500..1000$). Best regards, Michael 1.) Ways to fill an area with clusters of contours Inkscape already offers 2 path interpolation LPEs which allow this. I plan to add a 3rd one which creates a set of equidistant inset/outset paths. 2.) A way to connect sub path of a path into one continuous path I added an LPE to do this with various options of end interpolation. Maybe if I use bool-ops I need to extend it with some sort of sorting, cutting and auto reversing mechanism to keep the connections short. 3.) A way to cut a path into stitches (straight line segments) in a controlled way. I added an LPE to do this, but it is quite primitive as yet. 4.) Bool ops on paths because in embroidery you cannot simply hide an object below another one. I just added a bool-op LPE for this - needs some additional work to cut contours against a closed path. 5.) A tool to convert graphics output to some format an embroidery / sewing machines can read. I wrote an external tool to convert HPGL to a common embroidery format (stitch/DST), but could also integrate this into Inkscape. 6.) Maybe a tool to hide connections between path segments below filled areas. For a sewing machine it is quite complicated to do a "pen up" - it has to cut the threads, so one typically hides connection paths below some embroidery to avoid thread cutting. Currently I do this semi-manually. Doing this automatically might be quite complicated.

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duplicate directories/files in 92pre3 on Windows
by alvinpenner 26 Nov '16

26 Nov '16

n Windows 10 I have installed Inkscape-0.92pre3-1-r15195.exe, 32 bit exe file. The directory listing for C:\Program Files (x86)\Inkscape\share\ is almost identical to the directory listing for C:\Program Files (x86)\Inkscape\share\inkscape\ that is, about 2/3 of the sub-directories are duplicated. not all the files are duplicated, but some are, for example here are a few files that show up twice: C:\Program Files (x86)\Inkscape\share>dir/s css* Volume in drive C is Acer Volume Serial Number is F465-C324 Directory of C:\Program Files (x86)\Inkscape\share\attributes 10/20/2016 04:55 PM 18,316 cssprops 10/20/2016 04:55 PM 3,413 css_defaults 2 File(s) 21,729 bytes Directory of C:\Program Files (x86)\Inkscape\share\inkscape\attributes 10/20/2016 04:55 PM 18,316 cssprops 10/20/2016 04:55 PM 3,413 css_defaults 2 File(s) 21,729 bytes .......................................................................... on Windows XP, I have unpacked Inkscape-0.92pre3.7z (32 bit 7-zip file) As far as I can tell, the 375 Python files in the directory E:\Inkscape-0.92pre3\inkscape\share\extensions are an exact duplicate of the 374 files in the directory E:\Inkscape-0.92pre3\inkscape\share\inkscape\extensions I don't remember seeing this before, don't know when it started. Cheers, Alvin -- View this message in context: http://inkscape.13.x6.nabble.com/duplicate-directories-files-in-92pre3-on-W… Sent from the Inkscape - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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Mac 0.92preX
by Jabier Arraiza 23 Nov '16

23 Nov '16

Anyone can share a prerelease on mac? Thanks in advance. Jabier.

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Questions about building 0.92pre3
by Ken Moffat 22 Nov '16

22 Nov '16

I've now done a couple of builds and DESTDIR installs of 0.92pre3 : the dependencies (for gtk2) seem to be the same as for 0.91, at least on (BLFS-7.10)¹ x86_64 linux. But there are a few things which puzzle me - I really don't grok cmake, but at least inkscape now builds fine with a separate build dir in the conventional cmake manner. But I looked at the files to work out what options were available, and from the claimed defaults I guessed I might have to turn off a few (gnome_vfs, libcdr, libvisio, libwpg) - but in fast those were all correctly turned off without any action on my part. That makes me even more surprised that WITH_DBUS defaults to OFF. It isn't something I particularly care about, but it seems a common enough addition and doesn't need any odd dependencies (that is, I could turn it on and build without adding anything new on my reasonably-complete system). But what really puzzles me are the new libs since 0.91 - in my case in /usr/lib/inkscape. What is expected to use these ? I noticed them because by default they are static, although when I added -DBUILD_SHARED_LIB=ON I got (unversioned) .so libs. For libraries only used within a package, I have no objection to static libs, it's just installing them in /usr/lib which mainly worries me (and technically does not apply here): those might accidentally get linked into something else, particularly if there is no shared lib because of some fubar in my build - and then after a vulnerability fix I would end up with old code in something - the old zlib problem. In this case, any package using them needs to look for them in $PREFIX/$LIBDIR/inkscape, (sorry for the 'configure' naming) but are they really useful ? And if they are, should not the directory be versioned in case things change ? And finally, is it *acceptable* to you guys to make them shared, or will you tell my users that it is unsupported if they get problems with .so libs ? Finally, it was disappointing to have to download gtest - not everybody normally runs tests (and I have no idea what the 1 test does, I couldn't find it - like I said, I don't grok cmake ;) For a prerelease it isn't a problem, but it would be nice not to have to do it for a release (i.e. let people build without running tests). Bu the script to download it was at least convenient (although perhaps users behind the Great Firewall might not appreciate it). I very much doubt that I can produce useful "usage" comments (I keep having to google every time I build it with a new compiler / glibc / gtk / whatever and th en try to test it), but for the moment I won't be installing it until I get clarification about the purpose of the libs. I've also got another slightly older system (gcc-6.1, gtk+-3.18) where I can test the experimental gtk3 build if that would be useful ? But overall, this has been much less painful then when I last looked at using cmake for inkscape, so thanks for all the fixes. 1. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/ ĸen -- `I shall take my mountains', said Lu-Tze. `The climate will be good for them.' -- Small Gods

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Gradient banding - bounty idea?
by Máirín Duffy 22 Nov '16

22 Nov '16

Hi Inkscape developers! There is an old open ticket about gradient banding issues in Inkscape - https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/180693 - and the Fedora Design Team hit it pretty hard when putting together the Fedora 25 background in Inkscape. It's a difficult problem because there aren't many workarounds. We weren't able to fully remove the banding in our final version. We're designers without much development experience so we can't fix the problem, but we have a lot of interest in doing whatever we can to help. One of our team members suggested trying a crowdfunding approach like Krita has done, e.g. - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/krita/krita-2016-lets-make-text-and-ve… I wanted to run this idea by you and see what you think about it. We don't want to apply any unwanted pressure, and realize anyone taking on the bug who isn't already a part of your team would need mentorship / help from you, so I don't think it'd be a good idea to try this unless you were willing to be involved. Let me know what you think about this, or if you have any other ideas on how we might be able to help! Thanks!! ~m

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cannot perform 'bzr pull' command on Inkscape trunk, Windows 10
by alvinpenner 22 Nov '16

22 Nov '16

I normally update my trunk using the pull command. Recently (within the last week) it has started failing with the error: C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\InkscapeBZR>bzr pull Using saved parent location: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~inkscape.dev/inkscape/trunk/ Connected (version 2.0, client Twisted) bzr: ERROR: [Error 5] Access is denied: 'c:\\users\\penne_~1\\appdata\\local\\temp\\tmpizpzsf.pag' C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\InkscapeBZR>bzr revno 15264 my most recent successful pull was: C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\InkscapeBZR>bzr version-info revision-id: marcjeanmougin@...3449... date: 2016-11-11 21:05:31 +0100 build-date: 2016-11-22 06:49:20 -0500 revno: 15238 branch-nick: InkscapeBZR I ran these commands from an administrator DOS window, although it would not normally be necessary to do so. thanks in advance, Alvin -- View this message in context: http://inkscape.13.x6.nabble.com/cannot-perform-bzr-pull-command-on-Inkscap… Sent from the Inkscape - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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Fw: Survey
by Brynn 22 Nov '16

22 Nov '16

Sorry, I somehow sent this reply only to Victor, so now I'm forwarding it to the list, since that's what I meant in the first place. Apologies, brynn -------------------------------------------------- From: "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:54 PM To: "Victor Westmann" <victor.westmann@...400...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Survey > Hi Victor, > I'll be glad to change a few things which I'm clear about. But a > few of my questions are things I really don't understand. Especially for > lines 27 and 30, I'm not sure if you want to ask about tools in the main > toolbar or general features. > But most importantly, I don't understand composing/compiling a > survey without having some purpose for the survey. I mean, it makes sense > to have some understanding of the user base, but it seems backwards to > make a survey and then come up with a reason for it later. You must have > some reason to have brought up this idea? > Plus I'm looking at it from the point of view of convincing users > to take the time to fill out a survey. If all I can say is "please fill > it out, just because", they won't be very motivated. But if you can tell > them it has some purpose, you'll be more likely to get a response. > Theoretically, we already have a means for users to make requests > and report issues (Launchpad). So using the survey for those 2 reasons > won't fly very far. Deciding about the future development? Well, not to > my understanding. As far as I understand, future development is guided > primarily by the developers who do the work. And again, performing a > survey first, and finding a reason for it 2nd, seems backwards. > So I remain puzzled.... > > All best, > brynn > __________________________________________________ > > From: Victor Westmann > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:42 PM > To: Brynn > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Survey > > > Hi brynn > Thanks for your comments. Feel free to change the survey in order to > improve it. I agree with all of your observations so far. > Thanks. > > > On Nov 21, 2016 6:34 PM, "Brynn" <brynn@...3133...> wrote: > > Several comments and questions: > > For the question on line 9, how is "Personal" different from "Hobbyist"? > > For the question on line 24, would lack of a theme really prevent someone > from using Inkscape? > > The question on line 27 might be confusing. Do you mean which tool out of > the 20 in the main toolbar? Or does it mean "features" more than "tools"? > Also, that seems like an odd way of wording the question. Maybe I don't > understand it? > > I don't understand the question on line 30. What is meant by "Features", > "Usability", "Themes", "Ease of Use", etc.? Also, isn't "usability" and > "ease of use" the same thing? (whatever they are?) > > I wonder if asking Inkscape users how to fix something will be productive? > Only users who either are already developers, or have sufficient coding > skills would be able to answer. Right? > > For the question on line 36, what is your purpose for asking about those 6 > things, and not any number of other abilities of Inkscape? > > Since part of your stated purpose is to learn "how much are they involved > with the project (software and community)", I wonder if you might want to > ask which part or parts of the community they're involved with - mailing > list, forum, IRC, Launchpad, other, or none? Perhaps ask how much time > they spend with each part? And maybe ask if they are primarily asking for > support or offering support? Maybe ask to self-rate their knowledge of > Inkscape - beginner, intermediate, advanced? > > Also, don't forget to offer this survey to forum users ;-) > > What do you think you might use the results for? That might inform other > questions. Although having said that, probably the shorter the survey is, > the better. > > All best, > brynn > ____________________________________________________________ > > From: Victor Westmann > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 11:46 PM > To: Inkscape-Devel > Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Survey > > > Hi Guys, > > > I was just wondering if we could run a simple and quick survey to our > users to get to know them better and to know what they know about the > software and how much are they involved with the project (software and > community), > > > This is just a draft so improvements and thoughts are more than welcome: > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CcV6rEYq5iIzZKkx_qPU6G5rp0O5DUM0EfQ… > > > What do you guys think? > > > This initiative took place inspired in the "State of JS" survey: > http://stateofjs.com/2016/introduction/ > > > Cheers! > > > > > > --Victor Westmann > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Fwd: Re: Survey
by Miguel Lopez 21 Nov '16

21 Nov '16

-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Survey Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 02:10:33 -0500 From: Miguel Lopez <reptillia39@...3425...><mailto:reptillia39@...3425...> To: Victor Westmann <victor.westmann@...400...><mailto:victor.westmann@...400...> I would probably put bugs/incomplete features under 24 since that's the only reason I switch to Adobe Illustrator besides the features Inkscape lacks while Illustrator have. And speaking of that, gonna report my gradient mesh findings (I have responded to a e-mail, and I get nothing in return) and a bug while working on my work which forces me to import .svg on Illustrator to continue working as if nothing happened. On 11/21/2016 1:46 AM, Victor Westmann wrote: Hi Guys, I was just wondering if we could run a simple and quick survey to our users to get to know them better and to know what they know about the software and how much are they involved with the project (software and community), This is just a draft so improvements and thoughts are more than welcome: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CcV6rEYq5iIzZKkx_qPU6G5rp0O5DUM0EfQ… What do you guys think? This initiative took place inspired in the "State of JS" survey: http://stateofjs.com/2016/introduction/ Cheers! --Victor Westmann ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@...2164...e.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Build issues on Mac with Trunk
by John Cliff 20 Nov '16

20 Nov '16

Hi all, Building trunk on mac fails currently, following issues: src/ui/dialog/filter-effects-dialog.cpp fails as the check for GTK version at line 26 is checking gtk version but the feature its using is gtkmm. Mac ports has gtk3 v3.22.3 but the gtkmm3 port is only 3.16. So the version check passes, but gdkmm/seat.h isnt found. Have currently bodged it by upping the gtk version being checked for in my build, but needs fixing properly. Same issue occurs in desktop-events.cpp, device-manager.cpp, same bodge works for them. The changes made to src/widgets/eraser-toolbar.cpp in revision 15159 breaks it on mac, reverting it to 15158 builds ok. the rest of the build seems to build ok, but its then failing on linking, but its too late to try fix that now, just wanted to document the above before I forget where the issues were. Standard X11 build btw not the quartz one. Thanks to MC and Su_v for helping me get this far :) Cheers John

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