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more rect news
by bulia byak 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

* The rect toolbar now allows you to set the horizontal and vertical rounded corner radii in absolute units (pt, mm, etc) instead of the radius/halfwidth and radius/halfheight ratios as before. These radii are always preserved when you transform the rect. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Win32 Frequent Crashes
by bulia byak 31 May '04

31 May '04

>The crash that I reported on 30 May with bitmap images is occuring more >generally. Can someone with Win please confirm: > >1. Draw any object with bezier or freehand tool. >2. Select object. >3. Extend object with any control handle to or beyond edge of screen (not >the canvas). >4. Inkscape freezes. Does not happen on Linux, and looks like this old bug: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=852976&group_id=93… Or is it different? If it is, please localize when it started happening. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] unicode mapping for symbol fonts
by bulia byak 31 May '04

31 May '04

> > > Part of the reason for the gradual approach is that > > > there are a lot of > > > (potentially important) minor tweaks in libnrtype > > > (e.g. the special > > > unicode mapping Lauris added for "symbol fonts" for > > > Lilypond-generated > > > SVG); we want to understand all the code we're > > > replacing so we won't > > > have regrets later. Perhaps this can explain http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=937347&group_id=93… ? _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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News from the Scribus front
by Peter Linnell 31 May '04

31 May '04

Hi all, A quick note to let you all know the following: We are planning a 1.1.7 release towards the end of the next week. Interesting for Inkscape users: 1) a whole bunch of new gradient features which match closely to Inkscape output. e.g. mulit color gradients, free radial gradients, free linear gradients and transparency adjustable within each gradient color. Tomorrow's CVS will have the missing controls in place. The toughest part is getting acceptable PS,PDF output. 2) Much improved Inkscape > Scribus importing. Franz has killed a couple more import bugs with colors. Gradients should match up almost perfectly now. 3) Scribus now has a new EPS/PS importer which can import EPS or PS as vector or outlines and edit them natively in Scribus and/or export as SVG. This relies on Ghostscript, so the newer GS, the better. We hope all the inkscape devels / hard core users get a chance to play, test and report anything amiss. Franz specifically mentioned he worked on this to match up to Inkscape output. http://bugs.scribus.net is our tracker, which is being upgraded as I write. We expect it back up tomorrow. Next up is the text import ;) Enjoy, Peter

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SPSelection changes
by MenTaLguY 31 May '04

31 May '04

Just a quick note that I committed my work of a couple weeks ago to switch SPSelection to work with SPObjects in general, not just SPItems. This has little practical use right now, but it'll be important later for the new layers/document tree dialog. -mental

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unicode mapping for symbol fonts
by MenTaLguY 30 May '04

30 May '04

Sorry for the late reply; I haven't had time to do much Inkscape stuff this week. On Thu, 2004-05-27 at 05:22, fred wrote: > > That's about right; the plan is: > > ok. currently trying to do classes for 3) for typeset, > to test code in isolation before hitting libnrtype. That makes sense. Good job. ^_^ > > Part of the reason for the gradual approach is that > > there are a lot of > > (potentially important) minor tweaks in libnrtype > > (e.g. the special > > unicode mapping Lauris added for "symbol fonts" for > > Lilypond-generated > > SVG); we want to understand all the code we're > > replacing so we won't > > have regrets later. > > good you tell me that! where is it located? i can't > find it I'm not totally sure either; I only remember it from discussion on the Sodipodi list when Lauris comitted it. Basically, in the case of "special" symbol fonts, they may or may not have a unicode map. Different programs tend to generate SVGs that expect either: * Unicode codepoints are mapped directly to font glyph indices or * the font glyph indices are mapped into the Unicode private use area so we needed to cover both cases. I think part of this code is in e.g. nr_typeface_ft2_lookup, but I will have to admit an incomplete understanding of what it is trying to accomplish. IIRC there are actually three private use areas in Unicode: * Private Use Area: U+E000 through U+F8FF * Supplementary Private Use Area A: U+F0000 through U+FFFFD * Supplementary Private Use Area B: U+100000 through U+10FFFD It looks like the code only concerns itself with the first two, although the range for the second looks wrong. The mapping logic appears to be: 1. if the unicode codepoint is anywhere above U+F0000, subtract 0xf0000 and map directly to a font glyph index or 2. if the font has no unicode table, subtract 0xe000 from the codepoint and map directly to a glyph font index or 3. if the font has a unicode table, but the codepoint is in the (first) private use area and the font provides no glyphs in that area, subtract 0xe000 and map directly to a font glyph index or 4. otherwise, let freetype do the codepoint -> glyph mapping as it normally would I don't think that logic is entirely correct (in particular #1 and #2 seem deeply wrong to me), but due to differing expectations by SVG creators, I think we do indeed need to do something special with symbol fonts and the private use areas. (this may mean needing to subclass or wrap a Pango backend) > from what i see, pango shaper fill the > x_offset/y_offset/width of the glyphs in the geometry > element. width is meant to be the advance (ie > kern_glyph tweaks these values by adding/substracting > the kerning). i'm not 100% sure of what i said, tho. > after having a look at the GPOS/GSUB/JSTF tables of > the OpenType spec (which pango partly implements) i > fear there may be more complex stuff going on. Indeed.. essentially the "actual" advance is very context-dependent. (a simple example for western languages would be where the same font glyph is used for both the composing and non-composing versions of a diacritical character) -mental

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printing works! ;-)
by Artemio 30 May '04

30 May '04

Hello all! Just wanted to tell that printing and saving as ps works just fine in the current snapshot. Artemio. -- A-Man ::: new music from Artemio ::: http://a-man.artemio.net [local time 15:55:29 (GMT +3) 30 May 2004] [system uptime 1 hr 45 min]

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: importing bitmaps as patterns
by bulia byak 30 May '04

30 May '04

>FWIW, I also fall into the "clean SVG" camp. Not just for "cleanness", >but also because SVG renderers won't necessarily perform as well >(visual glitches and slowness) with pattern fills as with bare images. Just tried Batik 1.4. It indeed has bad glitshes on redraw/scrolling, but these glitches are _the same_ on a filled rect vs. an <image>. So I don't know why one should be better than another. In fact, from my programmer's experience, both <image> and pattern fills must support the same set of operations (affine transforms, opacity) and therefore are likely to be rendered by mostly the same code. As for "slowness", this is premature optimization IMHO. We should strive to save the work time of the user first, and rendering time second. Those who need highly optimized rendering will probably be knowledgeable enough to use <image>s if that indeed gives any advantage. > 1. there should be a command to "wrap" the selected objects > into a patterned rect (determined by their collective bounding box) Yes, I thought about it too, and it's very easy to implement (once we clear the pattern bugs, that is). It will be usable not only for converting an <image> to a filled rect but for creating non-bitmap patterns too. I think "Make a tile" is a good name for such a command. > 2. there should be a corrseponding command to "unwrap" the objects in an > SPShape's fill pattern as they appear in the SPShape; I think it's > better to make copies of each rather than destroy the pattern. I'm > not sure whether this operation ought to remove the SPShape or alter > its fill. Yes, this would be nice to have too, although more difficult to implement (most of the difficulty is in finding out how many copies of the pattern you need; once you know that you need to do either boolean intersection or masking of each object in the pattern copies with the former container shape). _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] still broken actions shortcuts on non-english keyboard layo
by bulia byak 29 May '04

29 May '04

>On Saturday 29 May 2004 07:26, bulia byak wrote: > > I wonder if this is fixable at all. I could just add Cyrillic keysyms, >but > > which ones? Those that are on the same key as the Latin ones? >But how other apps manage this? Someone says that the X is responsible for >this actually. So maybe some connection with X is currently broken in >Inkscape. Indeed shortcuts work in Gimp regardless of my keyboard mode (never tried that before). Anyone got an idea of what;s the trick? Artemio, please submit this as a bug so we don't forget about it. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] color-values
by bulia byak 29 May '04

29 May '04

>Why did you guys switch the color-values in the fill dialog to a scale >of 255? Fraktions of 1 or a scale up to hundred is way more intuitive >IMHO. 1. Most graphic programs use 0..255. 2. It's more precise (255 steps vs. 100). 3. It's what you get in SVG anyway (in hex). 4. You can still type 0.5 and get 128. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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color-values
by David Christian Berg 29 May '04

29 May '04

Why did you guys switch the color-values in the fill dialog to a scale of 255? Fraktions of 1 or a scale up to hundred is way more intuitive IMHO. David -- Otto von Bismarck once remarked: “A fool learns from his experience. A wise person learns from the experience of others.” If so, how to define President George W. Bush, who is not even able to learn from his own experience?

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] still broken actions shortcuts on non-english keyboard layo
by bulia byak 29 May '04

29 May '04

>Just wanted to say that since 0.37 till yesterdaty's snapshot nothing has >changed - with a russian keyboard layout, keyboard shortcuts don't work. I wonder if this is fixable at all. I could just add Cyrillic keysyms, but which ones? Those that are on the same key as the Latin ones? But both Latin and Cyrillic keyboard layouts can vary, there's no single standard correspondence between them. Do you or anyone else have ideas on how to address this? _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Gimp and Inkscape
by Tobias Jakobs 29 May '04

29 May '04

Hi, is there any reason, gimp is not listed in the RelevantCoProjects in the wiki? Tobias

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Marker
by bulia byak 28 May '04

28 May '04

>I often work with gimp and inkscape on the same screen. To compare >things I often resize and move the inkscape window. Sometimes I just >need a part of my inkscape drawing, then I like it, that the image isn't >resized. Sometimes I like it that inkscape keeps my working area just >scaled down and I have a overview about the image. I still don't see why you need to have to switch between the modes often. Can you describe a single sequence of actions during which you need to have it both ways? That's apart from the fact that, unlike Sodipodi, Inkscape does not bury its dialogs under the document window (and has less dialogs overall) and therefore requires much less moving around and resizing of the document window. In the majority of cases, the Inkscape window is just always maximized, with some dialogs floating at the fringe. If you want to have two programs on screen, let each one just take hald of your screen. There are many ways to zoom and scroll (middle button, keys, etc.) that are much more convenient IMHO than relying on autozoom when you resize the window. Or rather, I can understand why you may want to have it always zoom on resize - this behavior may be liked by some people and not others, hence the global switch. But switching this back and forth during work is something I don't understand. >Thats right, then put it at the same position where sodipodi has it, >direct above the right scrollbar. The ruler isn't needed there. OK, I don't want to seem stubborn, and that place is indeed unused, so I put it there. The global setting is now used to set the initial state of the button when the window is created, so those who prefer this to always be one way or the other will be still able to set the global preference once and forget about it. And note that the button will disappear if you hide the scrollbars (I always hide them, they're just clutter given all the other ways to scroll). But I'm still not convinced :) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] My first marker
by bulia byak 28 May '04

28 May '04

Thanks, it's a nice marker to have, so I added it to our markers.svg. Just one note: when creating markers, try to optimize your shapes because they will be potentially reused by many documents. Using Simplify and some manual tweaking, I reduced the size of your marker in half, by removing unnecessary nodes. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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is_fullscreen error in snapshot
by Bryce Harrington 28 May '04

28 May '04

We tried installing the Inkscape snapshot from 5/26 on a SuSE 9.x system but when running make ran into an error that the is_fullscreen method was missing; we're going to try again tomorrow - is this fixed in current cvs? Bryce

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still broken actions shortcuts on non-english keyboard layouts
by Artemio 28 May '04

28 May '04

Hello all! Just wanted to say that since 0.37 till yesterdaty's snapshot nothing has changed - with a russian keyboard layout, keyboard shortcuts don't work. Artemio. -- Artemio.net ::: world's official Artemio resource ::: http://artemio.net [local time 18:48:21 (GMT +3) 28 May 2004] [system uptime 1 hr 24 min]

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] rect improvements
by bulia byak 28 May '04

28 May '04

>1: Create two equal squares >2: round the cornern, so that you get a circle >3: Scale one of the squares horizontal and the other one vertically Just tried this: - when I scale by selector, I get two ellipses - when I "scale" by the bottom right handle in rect tool, I get two rects with circular ends In both cases, there's no difference between the shapes (except for direction). So please check again and report in more detail how you managed to get the result you describe. _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] rect improvements
by bulia byak 28 May '04

28 May '04

>Anyway, got it now, and it works as expected! Only scaling the with the >new handle or with the object selcter still shows the same problem as >described in the bug report. Do you mean the pattern fill not being scaled, or something differnt? Which bug report #? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: HELP!!! was: Re: [Inkscape-devel] importing bitmaps as patterns
by bulia byak 28 May '04

28 May '04

>Revert it to "Even-Odd", "Non-Zero" please. OK, I will when I convert them to buttons. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: [BUG] PostScript saving (Locale issue: 961568)
by bulia byak 28 May '04

28 May '04

>Also, I think as a side-effect from the image-in-a-rect work going on, >the PS output no longer seems to include images; but that doesn't seem >to be from my changes, I don't think. Now that is serious. It will be a pity to lose the shaped images capability because of PS being unable to handle pattern fills. We really need a PS expert to do a facelift of our PS export code. Can we get any help from Scribus on that? _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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[BUG] PostScript saving (Locale issue: 961568)
by Gustav Broberg 28 May '04

28 May '04

Ok, I think this issue has been discussed before in this list/newsgroup, but I couldn't find any report in the bugtracker. The locale issue with file saving was fixed for the SVG-format, but remains for PostScript. If the locales (LC_...) are set to a language which use comma-sign (',') as decimal-separator, the PostScript file will use them as such. This is wrong -- it shouldn't be localized, but fixed set to dot ('.'). Therefor, setting LC_ALL=C solves the issue temporary. I've added this to the bugtracker, item 961568. Tried version: snapshot 20040526 / Gustav excuse my poor english..

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RE: HELP!!! was: Re: [Inkscape-devel] importing bitmaps as patterns
by bulia byak 27 May '04

27 May '04

>After reading it I noticed, that it just is the new expressions for the >non-zero and even-odd fillrule. >I don't understand "alternating" vs. "winding", though. "alternating" >makes sense, but "winding"? I'll try to come up with some more >self-explainatory expression. Actually winding is a common term for this fill. Google it. And actually, I'm going to change this menu into a couple of toggle buttons (to the right of the solid/gradient fill buttons) so it will be more graphic and easy to understand, plus it will take less space. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: HELP!!! was: Re: [Inkscape-devel] importing bitmaps as patterns
by bulia byak 27 May '04

27 May '04

>I don't know, could you just tell me, what this is about? I tried to fined >"store" in the tuts, but there nothing, it seems. Ctrl+Shift+P > Transforms > Store transformation: Preserved _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: HELP!!! was: Re: [Inkscape-devel] importing bitmaps as patterns
by bulia byak 27 May '04

27 May '04

>On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 15:43, bulia byak wrote: > > >1) The image's top-left is not aligned with the rect's top-left. > > >Currently > > >the image's top-left is (usually) in the center of the rect. > > > > Works for me. Can you provide an example? > >I can confirm this behaviour... Have you set Store transforms to Preserve? > > 2) When the rect is grown, the image is tiled to fit the rect. It > > >should cover > > >the rect exactly and completely -once-. > > > > Oh, again, this is A BUG to be fixed :) I have specifically noted that >you > > need to Store tranasforms: Preserved as a workaround for now. If this >still > > happens with Preserved, I want to know details. > >IMHO this actually is not a bug! We're talking about _patternfill_. >That's what a patternfill is supposed to do! No. By default fill is transformed together with the rect. This is what happens now when you set Store transforms to Preserve. >also want the pattern to scale with the object, when ctrl is pressed >while scaling. Eventually this will be the default that will work in all modes. You'll be able to turn it off if you wish but this is the default behavior. And it works now if you set Store transforms to Preserve. > > I honestly haven't looked at transparency in particular, but I remember >that > > it didn't work for <image> either when I tried it. I'll investigate. > >I don't quite understand. The rect should have no fill, and by default >doesn't. if I want to alpha-blend the image, I just use the >object-dialog and ajust the the opacity of the rect. >What am I missing here? The image may have its own transparency, such as alpha shannel in PNG. >What I'm criticising is that you eventually give up the idea of a >patternfill, to make a workarround for clipping paths. >I don't know about you, but I think, whose of you who do the coding will >end up throwing all this stuff away pretty soon because real clipping >paths are implemented. No it won't end up thrown away. Clipping paths are an entirely different story. _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] rect improvements
by bulia byak 27 May '04

27 May '04

>I don't know, but I downloaded yesterdays cvs, have the >patternfill-import-image-stuff (which I didn't have before cause I >hadn't upgraded for quite a while) but don't see any changes to the >behaviour of the rect, nor do I see the handle you're talking about. Is >my build broken? Did you forget to commit the changes to cvs? >I'd love to tell you if it's the way I though it should be and am >confident that it is, but right now I can't yet. Oh my, I always forget that anonymous CVS lags behind. Just wait a day and try again. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] rect improvements
by bulia byak 27 May '04

27 May '04

I got some ideas of further rect improvements, but I want to discuss them here first. Now the rect tool stores the relative radii of corners, so if you set one rect with a 0.3 ratio of radius to the half-side, the same ratio will be applied to the next one. So the subsequent rects you create will be "scaled versions" of the first one, and their absolute corner radii will be different if their height/widths are different. What I think will be more useful is to store the absolute radii instead, so that new rects you create have the same radii even if different height/width. In fact, I propose to do away with the ratios altogether, so that the absolute values of radii are preserved even when you scale a rect with selector. So you'll be able to scale or transform a rect arbitrarily and it will keep the same rounded corners throughout (the only exception is when you scale it down so that its side is less than twice the radius, in which case the raidus will be trimmed); if you want to change the corner radii, the rect tool will let you do that in absolute units (mm, pt, etc.). I will at least implement this as an option, but my question is, does anyone else think that this should be the default or even the only behavior? I also like the idea of being able to copy/paste corner radii along with the rest of the params with Paste Style. This will require some additional coding because the rx and ry attrs are not part of the style, but for the user it will be transparent. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: HELP!!! was: Re: [Inkscape-devel] importing bitmaps as patterns
by bulia byak 27 May '04

27 May '04

>Though: in the fill dialog I can change between alternating and >winding... what does this do? We spent quite some effort packing the explanation of that in the tooltip :) Hover your mouse over the menu, and post to the list if you feel the tooltip is in any way unclear. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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rect improvements
by bulia byak 27 May '04

27 May '04

* The rect now has one more handle in the bottom right corner which allows you to resize the selected rect without switching to selector. Also unlike selector, resizing by this handle preserves the absolute values of the rounded corner radii (as opposed to the radius/width and radius/height ratios). The handles for rounding corners are moved to the top right corner. Also while at it, I implemented this RFE: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=933672&group_id=93… and made it so that equal-radii rounded corners are always applied as such when new rects are created. David, please check and report if it's to your liking. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: HELP!!! was: Re: [Inkscape-devel] importing bitmaps as patterns
by bulia byak 27 May '04

27 May '04

>1) The image's top-left is not aligned with the rect's top-left. >Currently >the image's top-left is (usually) in the center of the rect. Works for me. Can you provide an example? 2) When the rect is grown, the image is tiled to fit the rect. It >should cover >the rect exactly and completely -once-. Oh, again, this is A BUG to be fixed :) I have specifically noted that you need to Store tranasforms: Preserved as a workaround for now. If this still happens with Preserved, I want to know details. >2) Image transparency is broken. The background of the rect is copied >onto >whatever is behind it. I do not know how to fix this. If the >image it placed upon an invisible rect, isn't the entire image invisible >also? The rect would have to be 0% opaque on the transparent parts, >and whatever the user wants on the rest (default 100%). It would >basically need to be a matte fill, or the alpha-blend algorithm. I honestly haven't looked at transparency in particular, but I remember that it didn't work for <image> either when I tried it. I'll investigate. >This is a great idea, but I can't use it right now. I'd like to keep >using the current CVS, but is there a way I can back this change >out just for myself? Set options.importbitmapsasimages to 1 in your preferences.xml. Better yet, stay in the new mode and help us debug it :) _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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re: bitmap as patterns
by Cédric GEMY 27 May '04

27 May '04

Wow, I didn't see that. I've to try. Does it mean this could also be a beginning state to add clip and mask on the shapes and path, such as described at http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/masking.html ? Cedric

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Re: font metrics
by MenTaLguY 27 May '04

27 May '04

On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 02:54, fred wrote: > the fact that the work needed is still a bit blurry > probably doesn't motivate people; also, i'm less and > less sure of the first step you put in the roadmap > that consists of doing a pango libnrtype backend to > eat libnrtype from the inside; libnrtype main use is > to get glyph outlines and advances, something i cannot > get pango to spit. on the other hand, > nr-type-directory and nr-typeface are almost 1/1 > mappings to PangoFontMap and PangoFont That's about right; the plan is: 1. C++ify libnrtype to make it easier to refactor 2. introduce an NRTypeFace subclass that wraps PangoFont (and hides any platform/pango-backend-specific details) 3. remove the other NRTypeFace subclasses 4. jettison NRTypeDirectory and NRTypeFace, using Pango directly (moving any facilities not directly provided by Pango into a separate set of C++ classes) To get glyph outlines and advances in Pango, you need to use backend-specific functions to get a "font handle" native to the underlying API (e.g. Freetype or Win32). IIRC, PangoGlyph in turn is just an integer containing the native font glyph index. At that point you can use the "native" API to get what you want. Of course, SPTypeset, SPText etc. should not have to care about the native API; the intent is that the NRTypeFace subclass in #2 and later the supplemental classes in #4 will provide an API hiding those details. Part of the reason for the gradual approach is that there are a lot of (potentially important) minor tweaks in libnrtype (e.g. the special unicode mapping Lauris added for "symbol fonts" for Lilypond-generated SVG); we want to understand all the code we're replacing so we won't have regrets later. Another reason is so we can easily evaluate Pango without causing the breakage a wholesale replacement would. For example, I think the freetype backend should work on Win32 (i.e. it should pick up the Win32-installed fonts), but we need to make sure there aren't any gotchas. (an ideal goal is to get the same code working on Win32 and Unix, but we have yet to see if that is possible..) If at that point all the changes are "contained" by the libnrtype API, if it turns out to work badly, we can switch to using the win32 pango backend on Windows without disrupting the rest of the code. > isn't such info already contained in a glyph string? > maybe diacritical marks have a special treatment (0 > width, x_offset and y_offset?) in pango, i dont seem > to locate rasterization-specific stuff for arabic; > once the text has passed through the shaper, the > glyphstring doesn't change. Yes. I think I misunderstood the stages of Pango before. Doesn't the shaper output include the advance, then? -mental

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: importing bitmaps as patterns
by bulia byak 26 May '04

26 May '04

I think all you say is correct, but the default is not the option which produces the smallest code; the default is simply the option which is expected and liked by the majority. Moreover, when you count that majority, novices and casual users have a larger weight because this is who will mostly use the defaults. This is why I asked about the option here in the list. Your desire to get clean SVG is understandable (even though I don't think a pattern fill is in any way "unclean"), but I have a suspicion that the ability to reshape a bitmap will be welcomed by more people (and the list response so far confirms this). Anyway, remember that you (and anyone else who wants to get <image>) will be able to set the corresponding option once and forget about the issue. >That isn't to say that the new functionality isn't good - implementing any >new svg feature is a good thing. Just that doing simple things should >produce clean and simple SVG. I disagree. Doing clean and simple things must produce clean, simple, and predictable _behavior_. A rect is a much more familiar, clean, and simple thing to a user than an <image> which is frighteningly inflexible. >[0] As an aside: has any thought been given to supporting JNG? It is a >variant of PNG supporting jpeg compressed image data with a PNG alpha >channel, and is specified as part of MNG: http://www.libmng.com/pub/mng/ We now use gdkpixbuf for bitmap import, so if it supports it, we do too. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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importing bitmaps as patterns
by bulia byak 26 May '04

26 May '04

I got an idea today which I went on to quickly implement, so you can test it in CVS already. Now when you import a bitmap into your drawing, it appears not as an <image> element but as a <rect> with pattern fill, the pattern being the image you imported. It looks the same, but the important difference is that you can easily "mask" the image by changing the shape of the rect (round corners, or convert to path and node-edit, or apply some booleans etc. just as you would with any rectangle). I think this makes it a lot more useful and I would even suggest making this a default (as it is now in CVS), although an option to create <image> as before still remains. There are a bunch of bugs related to pattern fills currently, but I hope to clear them sooner or later. For now, set Transforms to Preserve in the preferences so that rects behave as expected when transformed. I'd like to hear opinions on the usefulness and possible default-ness of this trick. It does not remove the necessity to have a pattern fill tool or dialog, but I think it lets you do without in the majority of situations. You can even apply the same pattern fill to other shapes by doing Copy/Paste Style (the imported rect ends up grouped as of now, so ungroup it first). _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] importing bitmaps as patterns
by bulia byak 26 May '04

26 May '04

>Sounds good, though later on, it shouldn't be a fill, but actually a >mask. >I admit not to have tried the cvs, but I wonder how scaling of the image >would work... if I just change the shape, I'll crop it. Is there a easy >way to scale the pattern with the object? In InDesign (well, that is >masks, but anyway) wou press ctrl, so scale frame and content. Is there >a keybinding alike for that? Cause frankly, scaling of images is IMHO >even more important than clipping. By default fill is scaled (except in rects and paths for Optimize mode, but it's a bug which I'll fix). I will add three toggle buttons to the top panel that will turn on/off transformations of stroke width, pattern fills, and gradients with the object so you can easily control this. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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current snapshot: unable to import JPEGs
by Artemio 26 May '04

26 May '04

Hello! With yesterday's snapshot, if I import a JPEG (which I used to successfully import with previous versions) I get "Failed to load image xxx.jpg". PNG works fine. Artemio. -- Artemio.net ::: world's official Artemio resource ::: http://artemio.net [local time 17:53:20 (GMT +3) 26 May 2004] [system uptime 2 hr 07 min]

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] re: bitmap as patterns
by bulia byak 26 May '04

26 May '04

>Does it mean this could also be a beginning state to add clip and mask on >the >shapes and path, such as described at >http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/masking.html ? No, masks are an entirely different thing which we need to support. Here you just change a shape which has a bitmap pattern fill, though this may give results similar to masking for the bitmap. _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/

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Richard M. Stallman On Tuesday, June 8 will give a speech at Portland State University
by Bryce Harrington 25 May '04

25 May '04

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 14:34:08 -0700 From: Christine Moore <cem@...367...> Subject: Richard M. Stallman On Tuesday, June 8 will give a speech at Portland State University On Tuesday, June 8, Richard M. Stallman, founder of the GNU Project and Free Software Foundation, will give a speech in Lincoln Performance Hall at Portland State University: "The Free Software Movement and the GNU/Linux Operating System." He will discuss the purpose, goals, philosophy, methods, status, and future prospects of the GNU operating system, which in combination with the kernel Linux is now used by an estimated 17 to 20 million users world wide. There will be a question-and-answer session afterwards. The event begins at 7:00 PM, and will last approximately three hours. Lincoln Hall is located on the Portland State University Campus in Portland at the corner of Broadway and Market Streets. Feel free to let your friends and acquaintances know about this. Please do not RSVP to this. ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy

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Fw: Re: [Passepartout] PPT + Inkscape
by Bluefuture 25 May '04

25 May '04

--------- Original Message -------- Da: passepartout@...273... To: \"passepartout@...273...\" <passepartout@...273...> Cc: \"Dylan VanHerpen\" <dvanherpen@...210...> Oggetto: Re: [Passepartout] PPT + Inkscape Data: 23/05/04 22:32 Dylan VanHerpen <dvanherpen@...210...> writes: > Fredrik, Hey, I\'m just half the development team :-) > I\'m impressed with the functionality already present in Passepartout, > and anxiously waiting for the next update. Like others, I\'d like SVG > support, truetype font support and better type handling. TrueType support is being worked on. Type handling? > I\'ve also been using Inkscape, which already is very useable for > single page layouts (especially when the Pango conversion is > completed with the next release). It seems to me that Inkscape and > PPT complement each other rather well. > What would you think about combining the strengths of both efforts, and > developing PPT as a layout module for Inkscape? Inkscape seems to be > further along in terms of font handling (Pango), vector graphics and > object layering (with alpha-blending). Combining the two would make for > a kick-ass DTP solution with a great universal document format. Collaboration with Inkscape has been suggested before and it certainly makes a lot of sense, though I don\'t think merging the programs is a good idea. Inkscape seems to have a very nice version of the gnome canvas, more capable than the vanilla version, which I\'m not even sure has a maintainer. I don\'t know if Pango has much to do with the font support in Inkscape. Inkscape can convert fonts to Beziér curves. I don\'t think it could do that without reading the font files. We\'d like to know how it manages to find out what font files correspond to which fonts in X. We haven\'t been in touch with any of the Inkscape devs though. -- Fredrik Arnerup <e97_far@...270...> http://www.stacken.kth.se/~foo/

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] error with compiling current snapshot :-(
by bulia byak 25 May '04

25 May '04

I get the same error. Fred, please fix as it's in your file. >libinkpre.a(sp-typeset-utils.o)(.text+0x2862): In function >`pango_text_chunker::pango_text_chunker[not-in-charge](text_with_info*, >char*, double, int)': >/home/artemio/Documents/build/inkscape-20040524/src/sp-typeset-utils.cpp:857: >undefined reference to `pango_ft2_font_map_new' >libinkpre.a(sp-typeset-utils.o)(.text+0x2903): In function >`pango_text_chunker::pango_text_chunker[in-charge](text_with_info*, char*, >double, int)': >/home/artemio/Documents/build/inkscape-20040524/src/sp-typeset-utils.cpp:857: >undefined reference to `pango_ft2_font_map_new' >libinkpre.a(sp-typeset-utils.o)(.text+0x3d71): In function >`pango_text_chunker::SetTextWithAttrs(text_with_info*, int)': >/home/artemio/Documents/build/inkscape-20040524/src/sp-typeset-utils.cpp:1200: >undefined reference to `pango_ft2_font_map_create_context' _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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error with compiling current snapshot :-(
by Artemio 25 May '04

25 May '04

g++ -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -Wsign-compare -Woverloaded-virtual -Wswitch -Wno-unused-parameter -g -O2 -o inkscape --export-dynamic main.o -Wl,--export-dynamic libinkpre.a dialogs/libspdialogs.a xml/libspxml.a svg/libspsvg.a widgets/libspwidgets.a display/libspdisplay.a helper/libspchelp.a libnrtype/libnrtype.a libnr/libnr.a livarot/libvarot.a extension/libextension.a extension/implementation/libimplementation.a extension/internal/libinternal.a inkjar/libinkjar.a libinkpost.a /usr/lib/libxml2.so -lpthread /usr/lib/libgtkmm-2.0.so /usr/lib/libgdkmm-2.0.so /usr/lib/libatkmm-1.0.so /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so /usr/lib/libpangomm-1.0.so /usr/lib/libglibmm-2.0.so /usr/lib/libsigc-1.2.so /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so -lm /usr/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so /usr/lib/libpangox-1.0.so /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so -ldl /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so -lpng /usr/lib/libpopt.so -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXft -lX11 -lXrender /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so /usr/lib/libexpat.so /usr/lib/libfreetype.so -lz libinkpre.a(sp-typeset-utils.o)(.text+0x2862): In function `pango_text_chunker::pango_text_chunker[not-in-charge](text_with_info*, char*, double, int)': /home/artemio/Documents/build/inkscape-20040524/src/sp-typeset-utils.cpp:857: undefined reference to `pango_ft2_font_map_new' libinkpre.a(sp-typeset-utils.o)(.text+0x2903): In function `pango_text_chunker::pango_text_chunker[in-charge](text_with_info*, char*, double, int)': /home/artemio/Documents/build/inkscape-20040524/src/sp-typeset-utils.cpp:857: undefined reference to `pango_ft2_font_map_new' libinkpre.a(sp-typeset-utils.o)(.text+0x3d71): In function `pango_text_chunker::SetTextWithAttrs(text_with_info*, int)': /home/artemio/Documents/build/inkscape-20040524/src/sp-typeset-utils.cpp:1200: undefined reference to `pango_ft2_font_map_create_context' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [inkscape] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/artemio/Documents/build/inkscape-20040524/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/artemio/Documents/build/inkscape-20040524' make: *** [all] Error 2 -- Artemio.net ::: world's official Artemio resource ::: http://artemio.net [local time 21:23:55 (GMT +3) 25 May 2004] [system uptime 1 hr 32 min]

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fw: Re: [Passepartout] PPT + Inkscape
by bulia byak 25 May '04

25 May '04

>> Collaboration with Inkscape has been suggested before and it >> certainly makes a lot of sense, though I don't think merging the >> programs is a good idea. >> >Would you like to share your reasons why not? One reason is that we must stay within SVG, which does not have very good text support. So a DTP app can hardly be embedded into Inkscape. The other way round (embedding SVG into a DTP format and thus Inkscape into a DTP app) seems more feasible. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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FASD project: Online survey launched
by unknown＠example.com 25 May '04

25 May '04

Dear Open Source developer I am doing a research project on "Fun and Software Development" in which I kindly invite you to participate. You will find the online survey under http://fasd.ethz.ch/qsf/. The questionnaire consists of 53 questions and you will need about 15 minutes to complete it. With the FASD project (Fun and Software Development) we want to define the motivational significance of fun when software developers decide to engage in Open Source projects. What is special about our research project is that a similar survey is planned with software developers in commercial firms. This procedure allows the immediate comparison between the involved individuals and the conditions of production of these two development models. Thus we hope to obtain substantial new insights to the phenomenon of Open Source Development. With many thanks for your participation, Benno Luthiger PS: The results of the survey will be published under http://www.isu.unizh.ch/fuehrung/blprojects/FASD/. We have set up the mailing list fasd@...363... for this study. Please see http://fasd.ethz.ch/qsf/mailinglist_en.html for registration to this mailing list. _______________________________________________________________________ Benno Luthiger Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich 8092 Zurich Mail: benno.luthiger(at)id.ethz.ch _______________________________________________________________________

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usability stuff
by bulia byak 24 May '04

24 May '04

* The per-object selection cues can now be displayed in any tool, so that you can see what is selected at all times. You can switch these cues on or off for each tool in the Preferences dialog (the default is on for all tools). Also, the cues can now be displayed either as dashed bounding boxes or as diamond marks in the object's top left corner. * The dropper tool now works always (previously it only worked in conjunction with the Fill and Stroke dialog). Click to set the fill color of selection, Shift+click to set the stroke color. Also, dropper can pick either the visible color (without transparency) or the actual object color (including transparency), depending on a preference setting. It also displays the color under cursor in the status bar. Feedback welcome. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Linux "DCO"
by Bryce Harrington 24 May '04

24 May '04

At work we just had an informal presentation about the new "Developer's Certificate of Origin (DCO)" that Linus is adopting for Linux (see http://osdl.org/newsroom/press_releases/2004/2004_05_24_beaverton.html). Basically, what I took from this was that the reason for this is because the Linux development process includes integration of patches submitted by various developers that are integrated by "lieutenants". In this process, the identity of the contributor can be lost if the lieutenant just takes the code into their own patchset. Interestingly, this wasn't driven by the SCO lawsuit - apparently it's been on Linus' todo list for the past year but hadn't bubbled up to the top until now. I had wondered if it had something to do with OSDL, but it turns out it doesn't; Linus just wanted OSDL to 'lightening rod' questions from reporters, and OSDL has offered to help with some kind of bk tool for databasing the contributor info, but that's still in the abstract at this point. This process may be useful for other projects if they have a similar development model to Linux. Being able to trace the origin of all code contributions can be critical if the project ever runs into legal questions at some point. For Inkscape, though, I think our processes are already sufficient. Because we use the patch tracker for externally contributed patches, we have a Sourceforge ID associated with each patch; we have cvs history for all direct contributors. Up 'til now we've allowed non-logged in patch submissions, however for traceability purposes I've disabled this. Our processes for updating Changelog, AUTHORS, and the release notes, also ensure that pretty much all non-trivial changes get documented. I know we sometimes get patches to the mailing list or to individuals; it would probably be wise to adopt the practice of encouraging these individuals to submit it to the patch tracker -- otherwise make doubly sure to record their name and email in the patch tracker and/or Changelog. Disabling the anonymous patch submission will also ensure we always have the ability to re-contact the patch submitter for questions or whatever, which I think is a benefit in and of itself, but if anyone has concerns about this, lemme know. Most of the anonymous submissions so far have been translations (mainly the Catalan and Japanese translations.) Bryce

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Re: [OSNews-Crew] Article about Inkscape (fwd)
by Bryce Harrington 24 May '04

24 May '04

FYI ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:44:41 -0700 From: Eugenia Loli-Queru <eugenia@...358...> To: osnews-crew@...358... Cc: bryce@...260... Subject: Re: [OSNews-Crew] Article about Inkscape Thanks Bryce, it will go live in 1,5 weeks (I will be on holidays this wek). The article's format looks great. thx, Eugenia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryce Harrington" <bryce@...260...> To: <osnews-crew@...358...> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 2:43 PM Subject: [OSNews-Crew] Article about Inkscape > Hi, > > There have been a few mentions of Inkscape recently on OSS sites like > LWN (in a review of diagramming tools for Linux), and on the OSNews site > (in an interview of KDE and Gnome artists), but to date there haven't > been articles about Inkscape itself. > > I'm submitting the enclosed article for your consideration to publish on > OSNews. In addition to giving an intro into Inkscape itself, it takes > the reader through the process of how a new feature is added to a > project like Inkscape, to give some insights into the mechanisms of Open > Source. > > Bryce > > P.S., a few months after this goes live on OSNews, we would like to also > post this at the Inkscape site for historical/informational purposes.

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listed before sodipodi
by Kees Cook 24 May '04

24 May '04

on page 2, inkscape is mentioned! :) http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7102 One dude doesn't know it's name, though ("inkspace"). -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Marker
by bulia byak 23 May '04

23 May '04

>Nice, btw the gimp has a very nice stroke editor, perhaps you can just >copy it. I don't think we need anything elaborate, just a text field for editing the stroke-dasharray value. Combined with the preview, it will be suitable for most typical uses IMHO. >I used it very often and I don't think it was screen space waste because >there is nothing else important at that position in the window. Please describe your typical work scenario where you would euqally often use both modes and would need to switch them (I'm not arguing, just trying to understand). As for space, removing this frees some more space for the statusbar messages. Besides, that button was rather out of place in that location because the statusbar is supposed to be used for information and tips on the drawing, not for changing window beahvior. _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Incorrect link on Mailing Lists page
by Bob Jamison 23 May '04

23 May '04

I noticed this morning that the Mail Lists page: http://inkscape.org/mailing_lists.php has a minor typo. The link for 'inkscape-user' is given as: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=36227 ...which is the same as the Tracker list. It should be: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=37513 Just thought I would let someone know. Bob

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] what should "." do?
by bulia byak 23 May '04

23 May '04

>I can't find "." in the shortcut list, what is it supposed to do? This is alias for > (scale up), and "," is an alias for <. I fixed that crash in CVS now. _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Marker
by bulia byak 23 May '04

23 May '04

>I worked a little bit with markers and now have two thing about the >"Stroke style" Dialog. >The first thing is, is it possible to define my own Pattern? Yes. Right now you just edit your preferences.xml (group id="dashes"). A bit later a simple GUI editing facility will be added. >And the second, the list of makers is quite long and I think that it >will grow in the future. So, I think we need a new widget, something >like the widget gimp uses for the fonts, for the markers. Most certainly. >P.S. Why have you removed the "Zoom when window is resized" button? It's not removed, it's now in global preferences (Ctrl+Shift+P, Windows tab). I don't think switching that often or on a per-window basis is so common as to justify the visual clutter and screen space waste in the main editing window. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Marker
by Tobias Jakobs 23 May '04

23 May '04

Hi, I worked a little bit with markers and now have two thing about the "Stroke style" Dialog. The first thing is, is it possible to define my own Pattern? And the second, the list of makers is quite long and I think that it will grow in the future. So, I think we need a new widget, something like the widget gimp uses for the fonts, for the markers. MfG Tobias P.S. Why have you removed the "Zoom when window is resized" button?

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gnome-print libnrtype removal
by MenTaLguY 23 May '04

23 May '04

Just a quick note that I'm removing the gnome-print libnrtype backend (both it an xft now get their fonts from fontconfig, IIRC). Theoretically, this should not impact printing with gnome-print. This should make less work for Pangoization, as well as remove another sizable piece of conditionally-compiled code. -mental

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My first marker
by Tobias Jakobs 23 May '04

23 May '04

Hi, here is my first marker and a example file. MfG Tobias

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what should "." do?
by Johan Forsberg 22 May '04

22 May '04

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Big Files
by bulia byak 22 May '04

22 May '04

>1) More import plugins. This is a function of the program's visibility and perceived usefulness in the community. Plugins are more often created by contributors than by core developers. Help spread the word. >2) A progressbar while opening files. Please submit an RFE on that. >3) Speed up the file loading. This will hopefully come as a side effect of cleaning up and rearchitecturing the codebase which will make possible optimizations more obvious. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [Inkscape-devel] fill & stroke]
by bulia byak 22 May '04

22 May '04

>I'm not that enamored of Illustrator's implementation, exactly, but I do >think it or something like it would be an improvement over the tabs. Illustrator is full of tabs, they're just very small. I find its interface rather clunky. >A less drastic marginal improvement might be if the tabs contained >preview rectangles of the fill and stroke. Don't you mean the CurrentColorWidget (see wiki)? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] listed before sodipodi
by bulia byak 22 May '04

22 May '04

>I'm a bit confused at Jimmac's comment, that, "I'm hoping to write a >simple functional spec for path editing, since at least Inkscape >developers seem to be interested in making their app be a graphic tool, >not an SVG editor aiming to implement all of the standard." My guess is that he is aware of our attempts to make Inkscape usable - that is reflected in the "making their app a graphic tool" part, because a graphic tool is what he's interested in too. But he's probably not too interested in SVG as such, and perhaps when he tried Sodipodi and found it unusable, he ascribed that to its intention to focus on SVG too much, instead of the real reason (the neglect of usability by the Sodipodi author). _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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[Fwd: Re: [OSNews-Crew] Inkspace change to Inkscape]
by Jon Phillips 21 May '04

21 May '04

Can anyone more up to date respond to Eugenia from osnews? Thanks, Jon -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Eugenia Loli-Queru <eugenia@...358...> > To: osnews-crew@...358... > Cc: jon@...235... > Subject: Re: [OSNews-Crew] Inkspace change to Inkscape > Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:50:15 -0700 > > Done. BTW, have you updated inkscape to build with the latest gtkmm? Last > time I tried it wasn't buidling... > > Eugenia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Phillips" <jon@...235...> > To: <osnews-crew@...358...> > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:09 AM > Subject: [OSNews-Crew] Inkspace change to Inkscape > > > > Hello. > > > > While I understand the importance of upholding an interview verbatim, > > could you all possibly correct the misspelling of the Open Source > > project Inkscape, which is mispelled as Inkspace in this article: > > > > JIMMAC and EVERALDO > > http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7102 > > > > The misspell is on page 2. Could you also include the link: > > http://www.inkscape.org/ as this is great press for us. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jon > > > > > > -- > > > > Jon Phillips > > Graduate Researcher > > Visual Arts Department > > > > PO BOX 948667 > > LA JOLLA, CA > > 92037 > > USA > > > > cell.858.361.2811 > > jon@...235... > > http://www.rejon.org > > > > _____________________________________ > > OSNews-Crew mailing list > > OSNews-Crew@...358... > > -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] lock icon in the selection mode
by bulia byak 21 May '04

21 May '04

>I think that once that lock icon is clicked, that it should turn red I don't think so. Being depressed is enough. >something and then lock the handles on the selected objects to scale at >the current aspect ratio. Yes, I thought about that too. Will do. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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"save as copy" or "export"
by David Christian Berg 21 May '04

21 May '04

I'm not totally up to date with my cvs and not sure if it is worth compiling a new version of inkscape. But I was wondering, if there is "save as copy" menu item, just as in gimp. You know, when you want to create an ps, or eps, you do want to save the changes into the svg as well. You could also think about extending the functionality of the export dialog to handle the .ps .ai and .eps and what ever formats as well. What do you think about this? David -- Windows is not the answer. It's the quesition. The answer is "No!".

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] about current snapshot
by bulia byak 21 May '04

21 May '04

>On Wednesday 19 May 2004 04:58, you wrote: > > >3. Mini-sized dropdown lists still look weird because the font size is > > >large, > > >like in usual-sized dropdown lists (see the shot). > > > Does this only happen in that dialog? >No, not only. See attachements. > > > What about the units list on the > > selector top panel? >It looks fine. See my shots at the "web design" section of inkscape.org ;-) I see. I think I know where this comes from but please submit this as a bug (attaching your screenshots) because I may not be able to fix it right now. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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lock icon in the selection mode
by Jon Phillips 21 May '04

21 May '04

It seems counter-intuitive to click the lock icon and then when scaling from the dragbars to not have the aspect ratio locked as well as when entering numbers manually into the input field. I think that once that lock icon is clicked, that it should turn red or something and then lock the handles on the selected objects to scale at the current aspect ratio. FYI. Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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[Fwd: Re: [Inkscape-devel] fill & stroke]
by Jon Phillips 21 May '04

21 May '04

-----Forwarded Message----- > From: Jon Phillips <jon@...235...> > To: bulia byak <archiver_1@...19...> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] fill & stroke > Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:19:03 -0700 > > No it is useful to have the fill and color stroke more like swatches > that are compared against each other. The tabbed palette hides this > information too much (and yes you can see it on the canvas, but what if > you want to color mix without an object selected). > > Also, this request is not so much about saving space as about providing > a similar experience across applications. Please look at this > illustrator screen shot of how colors are handled: > > http://protofunk.org/projects/group/inkscape/reference/adobeillustrator/10/… > > Illustrator's smaller interface is brilliant and how colors can be dealt > with as foreground/background or stroke/line is brilliant as well. > > Jon > > > On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 12:38, bulia byak wrote: > > >Couldn't the Fill and Stroke tabs be condensed into one by having a > > >toggle between fill and stroke on the same pane with the color chooser. > > > > Don't see how this is drastically better than a pair of tabs. It's not > > likely to take much less space. > > > > >This is the most common use in Illustrator, Freehand and other apps. The > > >illustrator approach is pretty useful, because you can change a shape's > > >line and fill back and forth by hitting the 'x' key, and do it in the > > >interface as well. > > > > What do you mean by "doing it in the interface"? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee Security : 2 months > > FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht… -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] fill & stroke
by bulia byak 20 May '04

20 May '04

>Couldn't the Fill and Stroke tabs be condensed into one by having a >toggle between fill and stroke on the same pane with the color chooser. Don't see how this is drastically better than a pair of tabs. It's not likely to take much less space. >This is the most common use in Illustrator, Freehand and other apps. The >illustrator approach is pretty useful, because you can change a shape's >line and fill back and forth by hitting the 'x' key, and do it in the >interface as well. What do you mean by "doing it in the interface"? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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all-clubs bug
by bulia byak 20 May '04

20 May '04

I think i fixed the all-clubs bug in marker previews. Please test and report. The bad thing is that the dialog takes quite some time to show up initially. We probably need some kind of caching for the previews. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Add new marker
by Tobias Jakobs 20 May '04

20 May '04

Hi, how can I add new marker to inkscape? I found the markers.svg and copied the last "<marker>..</marker>" and changed the "id" and the "inkscape:stockid". But it doesn't work. Can I do that without recompiling? One file for all Markers is not very user friendly because you can't share easily new markers with other users. MfG Tobias

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fill & stroke
by bulia byak 20 May '04

20 May '04

* The Fill and Stroke dialog is made simpler and more usable by removing some obsolete options, shortening labels, using smaller and more descriptive icons, and adding mnemonic hotkeys and tooltips. The dialog now remembers and reactivates the color selector tab you were using last. The channel entry fields are switched from the 0..1 range to 0..255 range for increased precision. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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C++ features with NRObject
by MenTaLguY 20 May '04

20 May '04

Just a quick heads-up to a change I made a couple days ago -- it's now safe to use any C++ feature with NRObject-derived classes provided that: * you still use NRObject functions to manage the object's lifecycle * there is an unbroken chain of C++ inheritance between the clas an NRObject * a class which is directly instantiated or used directly with RTTI needs to have NRObjectClass::cpp_ctor overloaded for it -mental

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] flipping with gradients
by bulia byak 19 May '04

19 May '04

>When I flip an object, I'd expect all gradients to flip the same way, but >they >don't! it's the same with "rotate 90 degrees" and rotation by handles; >gradients stick to the same orientation. As it works now, flipping an >object >horizontally does not give me the exact mirror image, since most gradients >now >look funny. Is there a technical reason for this behavior? I find it kind >of >counter-intuitive. Yes, I'm working on that right now :) This is the case only with "optimizing" objects, i.e. paths and rects. As a workaround, go to Inkscape Preferences (if you're using CVS), Transforms, and click on "Store transformation: preserved". This will fix this problem for all objects. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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flipping with gradients
by Johan Forsberg 19 May '04

19 May '04

Hello! When I flip an object, I'd expect all gradients to flip the same way, but they don't! it's the same with "rotate 90 degrees" and rotation by handles; gradients stick to the same orientation. As it works now, flipping an object horizontally does not give me the exact mirror image, since most gradients now look funny. Is there a technical reason for this behavior? I find it kind of counter-intuitive. Otherwise, inkscape is developing amazingly well! I'd love to contribute to the project, if only with examples of artwork. Cheers, Johan Forsberg

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Keyboard shortcuts summary (fwd)
by Bryce Harrington 19 May '04

19 May '04

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 17:10:14 +0200 From: Frederic Crozat <fcrozat@...356...> To: xdg-list@...330... Subject: Keyboard shortcuts summary Hi, As some of you probably have noticed, one of the problems advanced users often encounter when using different applications is the lack of consistency between shortcuts. This problem is usually not visible when using applications by for your desktop (ie KDE applications when using KDE or GNOME applications when using GNOME) but it becomes highly visible when you switch environment or when you run one application in "hostile" (ie not its natural) environment. To try to resolve this problem, I've tried to grab the most often used keyboard shorcuts in GNOME, KDE, Mozilla and OpenOffice. The result are available at : http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~fcrozat/shortcuts/shortcuts2.gnumeric I'd like to put this table on freedesktop.org (maybe, on http://www.freedesktop.org/Standards/default-keys-spec) This way, we could start a discussion with developers of the different projects on how to improve the current situation. PS : I'll be offline for two weeks starting tomorrow, but don't hesitate to mail xdg mailing-list or me directly.. -- Frederic Crozat <fcrozat@...356...> Mandrakesoft _______________________________________________ xdg mailing list xdg@...330... http://freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] about current snapshot
by bulia byak 19 May '04

19 May '04

>1. I try to print as postscript and pipe though kprinter, but always get a >blank page. I launch Inkscape, draw a circle, print and get a blank page. File a bug. Try to locate the source of the problem - do other ways of printing work? Did it work before? If so when did it stop working? As always (http://inkscape.org/report_bugs.php), try to provide as much help as you can to the developers if you want your bug to be fixed promptly. >2. Are there any plans on implementing storing the printer command? I could do a quick-and-dirty implementation, but it needs to involve the extensions subsystem which I'm not too familiar with. Please bug Ted Gould. >3. Mini-sized dropdown lists still look weird because the font size is >large, >like in usual-sized dropdown lists (see the shot). Does this only happen in that dialog? What about the units list on the selector top panel? _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Big Files
by Tobias Jakobs 19 May '04

19 May '04

Hi, I made some bigger SVG files and noticed that inkscape needs some improvements. Here how I made the files: - exported a map from xrmap to eps - converted the eps file with pstoedit to xfig - used sketch/skencil to convert the xfig file to svg and here comes my wish list to the inkscape developers: 1) More import plugins. 2) A progressbar while opening files. 3) Speed up the file loading. Perhaps someone can even look into xrmap and add a SVG export. MfG Tobias You can find the files here: http://www.hagemaenner.de/stuff/inkscape xrmap: http://frmas.free.fr/li_1.htm pstoedit: http://www.pstoedit.net/pstoedit skencil: http://sketch.sourceforge.net/

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gradient in ps
by David Christian Berg 19 May '04

19 May '04

Does the newes cvs support gradients in ps files? David -- Otto von Bismarck once remarked: “A fool learns from his experience. A wise person learns from the experience of others.” If so, how to define President George W. Bush, who is not even able to learn from his own experience?

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find
by Jon Phillips 19 May '04

19 May '04

Hello, Bulia...awesome job on the find. I wonder if there shouldn't be a simple find with an arrow for more advanced options....like one box for finding objects. There are too many options up front...maybe I'm mistaken. Also, is the new dialog HIG compliant? Sorry for not helping much recently...and on this problem...I'm swamped...awesome work however! Two more weeks of this and then I'm back. Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] gradient in ps
by bulia byak 19 May '04

19 May '04

>Does the newes cvs support gradients in ps files? No. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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the new Find dialog
by bulia byak 18 May '04

18 May '04

The new Find dialog (Ctrl+F) selects objects by their text content, ID, style, attribute name, or object type (shapes, texts, groups, etc.). The search terms can be combined. An exact match is attempted first; if it fails, partial matches are selected if found (e.g. searching for "ff0000" in Style will select all objects that have this color anywhere in their style attribute). _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Hegel-Black font
by bulia byak 17 May '04

17 May '04

>Win32 autobuild 040515 is putting up a warning message on startup saying it >cannot find Hegel-Black font family. Not surprising as it is not in the >font >list. :-). Can someone put it in or tell us poor win users where it can be >found. A quick google did not turn it up. Sorry, I just forgot to convert-to-shapes a text in icons.svg. This is fixed in latest CVS. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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selector top panel
by bulia byak 17 May '04

17 May '04

* In the selector top panel, the W and H fields can now be locked so that the selection preserves its height/width ratio when resized. Also, percent (%) is added to the panel's unit menu, so you can easily resize or move your selection by a relative value. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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more inkscape examples
by Artemio 17 May '04

17 May '04

Hello Inkscapers! Once again I'd like to tell you that Inkscape is an amazing tool - and not only because it's so full-featured and convenient-to-use, but because it INSPIRES. I mean it - in my entire life, I have never used a graphic tool that was as fun to use as Inkscape is. I love it! I'd like to tell you about what use of Inkscape I have made recently (you may already know about some of them). 1. My www.fantomized.info musicians' community released a compilation CD. A booklet for this CD has been created with Inkscape. 2. I am writing a book on sound design. It currently includes over 25 drawings by Inkscape. 3. I created a cool drawing for a new little site of mine: http://artemio.net/projects/fantom-s 4. Three of my project sites got new beautiful logos: http://artemio.net/projects/linuxdoc (this one is simply beatiful) http://artemio.net/projects/kdevibes http://artemio.net/projects/beatskitchen Should I send you all or some of the screenshots? :-) Artemio. -- ArtemioLabs :.: innovative audio laboratories :.: http://artemiolabs.com [local time 17:49:40 (GMT +3) 17 May 2004] [system uptime 4 hr 35 min]

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current snapshotL ugly arrows again
by Artemio 17 May '04

17 May '04

... :-( -- A-Man :.: new music from Artemio :.: http://a-man.artemio.net [local time 19:04:51 (GMT +3) 17 May 2004] [system uptime 8 min]

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about current snapshot
by Artemio 17 May '04

17 May '04

Hello everybody! There are two things I'd like to ask about the current shapshot: 1. I try to print as postscript and pipe though kprinter, but always get a blank page. I launch Inkscape, draw a circle, print and get a blank page. 2. Are there any plans on implementing storing the printer command? 3. Mini-sized dropdown lists still look weird because the font size is large, like in usual-sized dropdown lists (see the shot). Artemio. -- Artemio.net :.: world's official Artemio resource :.: http://artemio.net [local time 17:44:13 (GMT +3) 17 May 2004] [system uptime 4 hr 30 min]

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Inkscape Status May 15, 2004
by Bryce Harrington 17 May '04

17 May '04

Project Status Saturday, May 15, 2004< Much development has been under way over the past month. Markers have been fully implemented and can be applied to start, end, and mid nodes of lines; there's still a bit of work left to iron out little gliches, but the feature is fully usable at this point. A number of bugs related to localization, file saving/loading, markers, and more have been fixed; 21 bugs have been closed in the past 2 weeks. A number of new preferences have been added, including a wide range of paper sizes. It'll be great to get all these new capabilities out to users but the focus we determined for this next release is switching of the underlying font renderer from libnrtype to Pango. Mental has recently initiated work on this with the conversion of libnrtype to a C++ style of interface. Hopefully enough of us can contribute spare cycles into this effort that it can be completed quickly. Once that architectural conversion is complete we can turn attention to finalizing the 0.39 release. Aside from code development, work is being done to assist in promotion of the tool. Artemio has contributed screenshots of a couple of his websites to provide an <a href="/screenshots/examples/">example</a> of how Inkscape is being used for real work. We need additional examples of other types of usage, such as making icons, logos, posters, vectoralization of raster images, and etc. LWN has recently published a review of various Open Source diagramming tools, including a brief mention of Inkscape. Bryce is working to get an article about Inkscape published. Inkscape is being presented at events such as the "FLOSS In Design" seminar in Rotterdam. Statistics Nov 15 Jan 15 Mar 15 Apr 15 May 15 ========== ====== ====== ====== ====== ====== Lifetime Rank on SourceForge: 4391 1928 * 1164 1028 (68.5%) (86.1%) * (91.7%) (92.7%) Max Week's Rank on SourceForge: 62 321 90 31 36 (99.6%) (97.5%) * (99.8%) (99.8%) Total SF Page Views * 126,500 * 330,000 475,000 Total SF Downloads * 5,735 * 17,250 27,400 Total Freshmeat URL Hits 746 2,958 4,670 6,000 7,500 Total Freshmeat Subscriptions 16 33 50 70 74 Lines of Code in src/: 115,901 166,914 177,286 183,694 189,116 Code lines 133,150 138,457 143,662 147,471 Comment line 12,468 15,584 16,041 16,757 Blank 21,929 24,061 24,931 25,886 Lines of Docs in doc/: 1,135 3,000 4,434 4,540 4,544 Lines of content in website: 1,173 2,885 5,087 5,414 6,008 Size of the Inkscape wiki: 3,700 11,284 14,840 15,461 18,638 Minutes since last ChangeLog mod: 360 6 0 11 1 Bugs open/total: 9/15 74/160 43/244 47/322 57/365 Features open/total: 18/18 104/120 151/184 173/213 183/238 Patches open/total: 1/ 6 4/32 6/ 45 5/ 72 4/ 83 CVS Commits (as per inkscape-cvs): 481 * 3070 3710 3391 Inkscape-devel membership: 49 64 75 77 78 Inkscape-announce membership: 9 22 35 41 43 Inkscape-user membership: 71 * - Statistics unavailable

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windows builds (src/libnrtype/nr-type-w32.*)
by MenTaLguY 17 May '04

17 May '04

I've been poking at the Win32 bits of libnrtype today; hopefully the build is no longer broken, but could someone on Win32 please verify? -mental

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pangoification
by MenTaLguY 16 May '04

16 May '04

Just a quick note that I've started further C++ifying libnrtype; it's about time we got this pango ball rolling. -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] pangoification
by bulia byak 16 May '04

16 May '04

>On another note, BULIA, do you have any great thoughts about icons for >the new CLONE commands? Yes, JON, I do have great thoughts about those and many other icons :) but this will need to wait until closer to the release. For now I only cleaned up the Fill & Stroke icons a bit. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 16 May '04

16 May '04

>Okay, cool. I'll start implementing a whole series of item-only verbs. As I said, don't make item-oriented variants for _all_ commands, but only for those that make little or no sense for a selection of multiple objects of different types. >I, too, think it should item-oriented. This may complicate the usage of >verbs. Perhaps I will invent a "right-clicked" item in SPDesktop or >SPView, similar to the "selection" stuff. That way once the verb gets >called, it'll know what to take action on. Is there a better way to >handle this? I think the verbs should just take an optional SPItem* attribute, which if set will make them act on that item. That item is easy to figure out by sp_item_at_point, which depending on an argument returns an item with or without going into groups. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

>Is there a simple command that will tell me what "sort" of object the >mouse is on? No signle command, but there are macros SP_IS_RECTANGLE, SP_IS_USE, SP_IS_PATH and so on. >- what "mode" the mouse is in (selector, rectangle, text, etc) I think there's a function for that in tools-switch.cpp >- what object is under the mouse. (and notice "multiple selections") The number of selected items is easy to get from SPSelection. >Is there an enum of object types anywhere? At least the sense of object >vs stroke? What do you mean by "object vs stroke"? Maybe a shape (rect, star, etc) vs. arbitrary path? >Also, should the menu be long or deep? Use your judgement. The menu cannot be too short, Inkscape is a complex program. I think using submenus is OK - after all, this is what people have always done in Sodipodi, and some of them even like it, who'd-a-thought... >For example, if multiple items >are selected, the set of boolean operations should be included, but that >would make the top-level menu very long. A different way would be to >make a separate "boolean" submenu... thoughts? Yes, booleans in a submenu sounds good to me. But again, I never use that menu, so cannot really judge its usability. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

One more idea: for item-oriented commands, it would be nice if the command name reflected the type of the object, e.g. "Select Rect", "Select Rect in Group" etc. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

>Basically, the question is: should the right-click context menu be >selection-oriented or item-oriented? Currently it is item-oriented, >where the rest of the application is selection-oriented. Now that I think of it, item-oriented menu makes a lot of sense. It's a way to do something to one object only, without changing the selection. For example, it would be useful to have commands like: - Select/Deselect: Object (would work the same as shift-click, command name depends on whether the clicked object is selected or not) - Select/Deselect: Object in Group (same as shift-ctrl-click) - Object: Properties (applied to clicked object regardless of selection) - Object in Group: Properties - The most useful commands specific to the object type, such as Object to Path for non-paths, Stroke to Path for objects with visible stroke, Not Rounded for rects, Make Whole for ellipses (if applicable), Unlink/Select Original for clones, etc. Also: Remove Stroke, Remove Fill (useful but not yet implemented as a separate command) etc. However selection-oriented commands also need to be present, but in a section of their own after a separator. These may include relevant dialog openers: Text and Font if only text object(s) selected, Fill&Stroke for everything except clones, etc. These need to be selection-oriented because the corresponding dialogs are selection-oriented. When more than one object selected, this section would also contain group/ungroup, booleans, combine/break apart. Commands that may be applicable to both separate objects and selection (such as Copy) should also be here and work on selection, otherwise it may become confusing. As for Undo/Redo, I don't think these are appropriate for the context menu at all. Any commands that are not directly applicable to an object or selection should be removed from the context menu. So, overall, lots of useful logic may be implemented in this menu, so that opening it will at once give you lots of useful information on what's under mouse and what's selected, even if you do not call any of its commands. Most of this logic is already implemented around the codebase, you just need to gather it all in one place. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

>Oh, right. :P I've changed the text slightly to make it clearer for >me: > >Open a new window with the same document view > ^^^^ I don't like this change. "Same document view" to me sounds like the new view will be in sync with the old one, e.g. zoom in when I zoom in the other window, etc. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

>When I was doing icon/verb work, I had suggested "Duplicate Window", >which to me says I'm going to get another window, and it's going to be >the same as what I have right now. However, this may not indicate to >other people that it will contain a independently-controlled view of the >same data. (Although I think "Duplicate Window" is more informative >than "New Window" or "New View", it is probably still incomplete.) I cannot think up a way in which a new window would not be an "independently-controlled view of the same data", so I think "Duplicate Window" is perfectly adequate. >Perhaps "Duplicate View Window"? Or "Duplicate Window View"? Ew :) >(Can't we >have menu-based tool tips?) We do. Watch your statusbar as you walk through the menu. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

> * The "Text and Font..." dialog was really difficult for me to find; > I assumed it'd be under the Object menu and had to look through > all the other menus before I found it under Edit. It was also > strange that it was at the bottom of the Edit menu instead of at > the top, like the property dialogs in the Object menu. That's a temporary location. We will have a Text menu later and it will move there. But I agree that Object is a better temporary location for Text and Font. > * Now, of anyone, I probably know best where the marker settings are, > however it really seemed hard to get to. I kept thinking, "Hmm, > where's the line properties again? Oh yeah, the Fill dialog > box..." I'm not sure how this could be improved but it struck me > as counter intuitive. It might make sense to separate a Stroke dialog from a Color dialog, with Color having two tabs for fill and stroke. But I don't want to multiply dialogs unless we have ways to combine/dock/rearrange them easily. > * The right-click context menu needs a *lot* of attention. With the > dialog menu being moved to other menus (which is a great > improvement), I found that I kept wishing to have various things > available from the context menu. True, this is because this is one of the few UI element that I never touched :) and that is because I never use it. Whoever wants to improve it, go ahead, this should not be difficult. > * I pulled up the keyboard shortcuts page, and it's great that it's > so complete, and of course it's beautiful in SVG. However, I found > it very difficult to find stuff in it. There's just sooo much > text... I wanted to search the document but of course we don't > have a ctrl-f Find or ctrl-s Search command Searching in text is certainly doable. Someone simply needs to code it. > * The Object Properties dialog is very odd to me. It *seems* like > for a basic user this would have some very handy and useful things > on it for customizing the way my object looks, but when I look at > it, it's full of rather esoteric features. Another dialog I did not touch. Actually I thought to eliminate it at first, but then decided that it should stay, but completely redesigned. For one thing it will present all cascaded CSS properties for the object (pending AST/libcroco rearchitecturing). The redesign has not started yet :) > What does "printable" > mean, for instance? Does this mean it will show up on the screen > but not the printer? Probably. I never looked into it. Also the "visible" checkbox is always disabled because it's not yet implemented (I don't want to borrow that code from Sodi because it uses sodipodi:visible attribute which is sure to have problems rendering in other viewers). >Also, on the context menu it's called "Item > Properties" but pulls up the Object Properties dialog. Weird! Yep, the context menu needs to take command names and shortcuts from verbs, just as the regular menu does. Volunteers? > would expect the Object Properties dialog to allow me some sort of > way to get to things like text, color, line style, transform, etc. No, it's not an all-in-one dialog. Rather it's supposed to present a bit more low-level access to an object, although higher level than XML editor. > * Shouldn't New Window really be called Duplicate Window or Clone > Window or something? I assumed this command would do the same as > New. Duplicate Window maybe. Anyone else has an opinion? >2. I notice the performance isn't quite as "snappy" as I seem to remember. >Perhaps a consequence of fixing bugs? It's not horrible, but >noticeable. It's a consequence of Fred's new renderer. >3. For the life of me, I've never been able to figure out how to get the >inset, outset, and offset commands to work. I'm sure if I studied the >tutorial I'd figure it out, or if I've used something like them before >in other apps. It "feels" like I should be able to apply it to a path >but that doesn't seem to work right. What exactly does not work? >4. The star tool is set to remember its settings, which seems like a great >idea, but it's really weird to start up a fresh Inkscape and click on it >and instead of getting a five pointed star, to get whatever shape it was >you made the last time you used it. This seems highly inconsistent with >the way the rect and circle tools work - they always give you what you >see on the icon bar. No. They remember their settings too. Try to round a rect's corners and make an arc out of a circle, and you'll get the same next time. So it's all consistent, and I think it's much better that way. The ability to always get "five pointed star" is only good for demos, not for real work. Besides, all these tools have a button on the top panel which resets you to the defaults by a single click. >5. I think we need to rethinkify the calligraphic tool. I played with it >for half an hour to see if I could get something worth putting in the >article but didn't like anything I made. Does anyone use this? What is >it useful for? I wrote about that here. It's a tool created by a person who's not with us, and its code is dense and hard to figure out. More importantly, the tool is fundamentally flawed since it creates filled paths and not paths with shape that would be editable as any other paths. A completely new approach to calligraphic/shaped strokes is in long-term plans, but until then, this tool will have to stay. >6. The undo system can be kind of quirky. For example, click on the line >drawing tool. Draw one line. Start drawing another one but before you >end it, hit Ctrl-Z. Instead of the current line going away, the first >one you drew disappears. And no amount of undoing/redoing seems to be >able to bring it back. Because the second line is not created yet. It's just a plan for a line, not a real object. The last real line you created was the first one. If you want to cancel your non-finished line, press Esc, not Ctrl-Z. > * First, as mentioned above, it's really hard to get to the marker > settings. I keep expecting to right click on my line and hit, > "Marker Properties" or "Arrowheads" or something. Those who wish to work on right-click menu, take note :) > * Strangely, when I was doing the article, all the marker previews > were of the club symbol. But now for some reason they all work > right. Has anyone else noticed this behavior? Carl says he fixed this yesterday. I never got this bug so I cannot attest. > * If you select to turn off Stroke Paint, the marker dropdowns on the > Stroke style page become inactive, yet the line still shows its > arrowheads. Does not happen to me. Clicking on the X button in Stroke Paint makes both the path and its markers disappear. Can you submit a test case where this happens? > of stroke color, so this is super counter-intuitive. I'd suggest > this: Move the marker dropdowns to their own tab, separate from > Stroke style, and make them not become invalid when the stroke > paint is turned off. No, they really belong together with the rest of stroke settings. Separating them only for the purpose of non-graying is wrong. >It'd be wonderful if you could choose the > marker colors for each marker type on that tab page. Yes we have a bug on that. It's not straightforward (SVG does not do that automatically) but I think we can work around that, e.g. by duplicating a marker def and repainting it to match the stroke color. > * For the 'None' setting in the marker dropdown, perhaps show a stub > line with no marker on it. I think that would distract. "None" needs to really stand out, i.e. be unlike all other items. > * The ordering of the markers in the dropdown seems strange. > Partially they're alphabetized, but it feels like they really ought > to be organized by category. They are categorized, more or less. First arrows, then geometric marks, then miscellanea. Within each type, three sizes are arranged from largerst to smallest (hmmm, maybe reverse that?) Also the markers in the current document come first; we need a separator between them and the stock markers. > * The symbols for DistanceRight and DistanceLeft don't really > illustrate the effect. Also, perhaps these could be called > DimensionLeft and DimensionRight? They're too big to fit into the preview. As for the rename, OK with me. > * The arrow style markers work wrong. The tip of the arrow should be > located at the end node of the line. Instead, the end node is at > the middle of the arrowhead. This means that if you draw a line to > a box, and then put an arrowhead on it, the arrowhead will be > partially *inside* the box. We discussed this with Carl recently. The problem is that if you move the marker so its tip coincides with the tip of the line, you can't get a sharp tip for your arrow because the line will show through at the tip. There's no easy workaround for this, and the sharper is your arrow, the farther back you need to move the line end from the tip of that arrow. > * I half expected to be able to hit the "Convert Object to Path" > button and be able to have the marker converted into node path for > manual editing. No idea if that'd actually be of real value, > though. It's in the bug tracker. > * Since there's a None setting for markers, it feels like there > should similarly be a None setting for Stroke pattern, that'd make > the line go away. I wanted to create an object that consisted only > of mid-markers with no actual line. Yes, I wanted to make such a dasharray, but there is currently a bug in rendering zero-length dashes. When that bug is fixed I will add it to the list. > * Instead of making the dropdowns fit the page width, could they be > sized to match the contents? Also, I notice some of the larger > marker previews are cropped - could the dropdown be sized based on > the size of the largest marker? Then you'll have really huge menus because the distance markers are huge. Obviously all marker previews must be in the same scale, but since some of them are very small and some are large, we need a compromise. The size can be tweaked, but cropping the too large ones is inevitable I think. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Inkscape review
by Bryce Harrington 15 May '04

15 May '04

Hi all, In writing up an article about Inkscape (for LWN hopefully), I took some time to play with a wider variety of features than I normally do, and thought about how new users (like LWN's Grumpy Editor) would approach the tool in general. So I figured I'd share my random thoughts and comments. First let me preface by saying that like everyone else I love the new features and the direction Inkscape's going. It's improved bunches in the months that this project has been active, and it's amazing to realize how much energy has been invested into it. ----- 1. I don't use the software intently enough to have memorized a significant number of the keyboard shortcuts, so I'm still very much a menu-oriented person, so my first comments regard menu items: * The "Text and Font..." dialog was really difficult for me to find; I assumed it'd be under the Object menu and had to look through all the other menus before I found it under Edit. It was also strange that it was at the bottom of the Edit menu instead of at the top, like the property dialogs in the Object menu. * Now, of anyone, I probably know best where the marker settings are, however it really seemed hard to get to. I kept thinking, "Hmm, where's the line properties again? Oh yeah, the Fill dialog box..." I'm not sure how this could be improved but it struck me as counter intuitive. * The right-click context menu needs a *lot* of attention. With the dialog menu being moved to other menus (which is a great improvement), I found that I kept wishing to have various things available from the context menu. * I pulled up the keyboard shortcuts page, and it's great that it's so complete, and of course it's beautiful in SVG. However, I found it very difficult to find stuff in it. There's just sooo much text... I wanted to search the document but of course we don't have a ctrl-f Find or ctrl-s Search command * The Object Properties dialog is very odd to me. It *seems* like for a basic user this would have some very handy and useful things on it for customizing the way my object looks, but when I look at it, it's full of rather esoteric features. What does "printable" mean, for instance? Does this mean it will show up on the screen but not the printer? Also, on the context menu it's called "Item Properties" but pulls up the Object Properties dialog. Weird! I would expect the Object Properties dialog to allow me some sort of way to get to things like text, color, line style, transform, etc. * Shouldn't New Window really be called Duplicate Window or Clone Window or something? I assumed this command would do the same as New. 2. I notice the performance isn't quite as "snappy" as I seem to remember. Perhaps a consequence of fixing bugs? It's not horrible, but noticeable. 3. For the life of me, I've never been able to figure out how to get the inset, outset, and offset commands to work. I'm sure if I studied the tutorial I'd figure it out, or if I've used something like them before in other apps. It "feels" like I should be able to apply it to a path but that doesn't seem to work right. 4. The star tool is set to remember its settings, which seems like a great idea, but it's really weird to start up a fresh Inkscape and click on it and instead of getting a five pointed star, to get whatever shape it was you made the last time you used it. This seems highly inconsistent with the way the rect and circle tools work - they always give you what you see on the icon bar. 5. I think we need to rethinkify the calligraphic tool. I played with it for half an hour to see if I could get something worth putting in the article but didn't like anything I made. Does anyone use this? What is it useful for? 6. The undo system can be kind of quirky. For example, click on the line drawing tool. Draw one line. Start drawing another one but before you end it, hit Ctrl-Z. Instead of the current line going away, the first one you drew disappears. And no amount of undoing/redoing seems to be able to bring it back. 7. I played around with gradients bunches and bunches. I know folks think this could use a lot of improvement, but I found it pretty easy to figure out how to make it work and get good results out of it. Of course, I've been using it for years so probably have too much insider knowledge, but it seemed to do what I needed. 8. Ditto for node editing. 10. Now for comments about markers. :-) I love all the work that's gone into markers. It's awesome to finally see them in play, especially since I know first hand how non-trivial it is to get them to do what we need. I love that finally I can put arrows on lines! But, that said I have lots of comments: * First, as mentioned above, it's really hard to get to the marker settings. I keep expecting to right click on my line and hit, "Marker Properties" or "Arrowheads" or something. * Strangely, when I was doing the article, all the marker previews were of the club symbol. But now for some reason they all work right. Has anyone else noticed this behavior? * If you select to turn off Stroke Paint, the marker dropdowns on the Stroke style page become inactive, yet the line still shows its arrowheads. Of course, the arrowheads are always black regardless of stroke color, so this is super counter-intuitive. I'd suggest this: Move the marker dropdowns to their own tab, separate from Stroke style, and make them not become invalid when the stroke paint is turned off. It'd be wonderful if you could choose the marker colors for each marker type on that tab page. * For the 'None' setting in the marker dropdown, perhaps show a stub line with no marker on it. * The ordering of the markers in the dropdown seems strange. Partially they're alphabetized, but it feels like they really ought to be organized by category. * The symbols for DistanceRight and DistanceLeft don't really illustrate the effect. Also, perhaps these could be called DimensionLeft and DimensionRight? * The arrow style markers work wrong. The tip of the arrow should be located at the end node of the line. Instead, the end node is at the middle of the arrowhead. This means that if you draw a line to a box, and then put an arrowhead on it, the arrowhead will be partially *inside* the box. * I half expected to be able to hit the "Convert Object to Path" button and be able to have the marker converted into node path for manual editing. No idea if that'd actually be of real value, though. * Since there's a None setting for markers, it feels like there should similarly be a None setting for Stroke pattern, that'd make the line go away. I wanted to create an object that consisted only of mid-markers with no actual line. I achieved it by turning the stroke color to none on the other tab, but that didn't seem like the most intuitively obvious way to do it. * Instead of making the dropdowns fit the page width, could they be sized to match the contents? Also, I notice some of the larger marker previews are cropped - could the dropdown be sized based on the size of the largest marker? Anyway, that's that. I know a lot of these things are already in our tracker and todo list, or have very good reasons for being the way they are, but those are my thoughts on it. Oh, and btw, if you'd like a preview of the article, her ya go: http://www.bryceharrington.com/Booleans_article/inkscape_booleans.html I've sent an inquiry to LWN to see if they'd be interested in running it, and plan to have it polished up and published somewhere within a week or so. Bryce

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

>No, I know this can be made to work right because I had it behaving >correctly when I first got marker rendering working. If I recall, >there's an offset parameter that can be used in the <def>. If nobody >else gets around to it before me, I'll fiddle around with it, I don't >think it'll be difficult to fix. Offset just moves your marker relative to the node, just as it is moved now. It won't help with the non-sharp tip problem for arrows. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] list of arrows looks strange (snapshot20040510)
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

> > > ...and one more thing: I can't change the colour of the arrow - the >line > > > colour changes but the arrow stays black. Actually SVG does not require markers to take the color of the stroke automatically. So this is not a compliance bug. But I agree that the stroke paint, when changed, should also apply to the markers. Please file a RFE on that. >The list of arrows in "stroke style" looks strange (snapshot 20040510) - >see the attachment. I can't reproduce that. Anyone else? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

>> * Shouldn't New Window really be called Duplicate Window or Clone >> Window or something? I assumed this command would do the same as >> New. >> >> >New View? It was New Vew before, I renamed it to New Window because that is what it actually does. >Problem here is the SVG spec - the end of the arrow would then always be as >wide as the line. I think we can really only hack around this by allowing >the user to drag the path by the tip of the marker. I'm against that. It would be very hacky, unreliable, and difficult to implement (how would you define "tip of the marker"? It can be an arbitrary shape). _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

>Maybe the Keys and Mouse should be broken into two items > >* Keyboard Shortcuts > >* Mouse Shortcuts No, that would be really unnatural division. If you want to divide it, use the groups defined in it (tools, objects, canvas etc). _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] window layout configurable
by bulia byak 14 May '04

14 May '04

>Let me see if I have this straight. When hitting 'Save As...' the >directory should be: > >1) The directory that it was last saved in Yes, it's stored in sodipodi:docbase attribute >2) The directory that the last save was done in >3) The user's home directory Yes, in that order. >Also, what should export do? I'm thinking that, most of the time, >you'll want to export to the same directory as the file? I think a similar order of preference would be the best: 1. The directory where the file was last exported (this may be stored e.g. in inkscape:export-dir attribute) 2. If it wasn't exported yet, the directory where the file was saved 3. Failing that, home dir _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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