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RE: HELP!!! was: Re: [Inkscape-devel] importing bitmaps as patterns
by bulia byak 27 May '04

27 May '04

>On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 15:43, bulia byak wrote: > > >1) The image's top-left is not aligned with the rect's top-left. > > >Currently > > >the image's top-left is (usually) in the center of the rect. > > > > Works for me. Can you provide an example? > >I can confirm this behaviour... Have you set Store transforms to Preserve? > > 2) When the rect is grown, the image is tiled to fit the rect. It > > >should cover > > >the rect exactly and completely -once-. > > > > Oh, again, this is A BUG to be fixed :) I have specifically noted that >you > > need to Store tranasforms: Preserved as a workaround for now. If this >still > > happens with Preserved, I want to know details. > >IMHO this actually is not a bug! We're talking about _patternfill_. >That's what a patternfill is supposed to do! No. By default fill is transformed together with the rect. This is what happens now when you set Store transforms to Preserve. >also want the pattern to scale with the object, when ctrl is pressed >while scaling. Eventually this will be the default that will work in all modes. You'll be able to turn it off if you wish but this is the default behavior. And it works now if you set Store transforms to Preserve. > > I honestly haven't looked at transparency in particular, but I remember >that > > it didn't work for <image> either when I tried it. I'll investigate. > >I don't quite understand. The rect should have no fill, and by default >doesn't. if I want to alpha-blend the image, I just use the >object-dialog and ajust the the opacity of the rect. >What am I missing here? The image may have its own transparency, such as alpha shannel in PNG. >What I'm criticising is that you eventually give up the idea of a >patternfill, to make a workarround for clipping paths. >I don't know about you, but I think, whose of you who do the coding will >end up throwing all this stuff away pretty soon because real clipping >paths are implemented. No it won't end up thrown away. Clipping paths are an entirely different story. _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] rect improvements
by bulia byak 27 May '04

27 May '04

>I don't know, but I downloaded yesterdays cvs, have the >patternfill-import-image-stuff (which I didn't have before cause I >hadn't upgraded for quite a while) but don't see any changes to the >behaviour of the rect, nor do I see the handle you're talking about. Is >my build broken? Did you forget to commit the changes to cvs? >I'd love to tell you if it's the way I though it should be and am >confident that it is, but right now I can't yet. Oh my, I always forget that anonymous CVS lags behind. Just wait a day and try again. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] rect improvements
by bulia byak 27 May '04

27 May '04

I got some ideas of further rect improvements, but I want to discuss them here first. Now the rect tool stores the relative radii of corners, so if you set one rect with a 0.3 ratio of radius to the half-side, the same ratio will be applied to the next one. So the subsequent rects you create will be "scaled versions" of the first one, and their absolute corner radii will be different if their height/widths are different. What I think will be more useful is to store the absolute radii instead, so that new rects you create have the same radii even if different height/width. In fact, I propose to do away with the ratios altogether, so that the absolute values of radii are preserved even when you scale a rect with selector. So you'll be able to scale or transform a rect arbitrarily and it will keep the same rounded corners throughout (the only exception is when you scale it down so that its side is less than twice the radius, in which case the raidus will be trimmed); if you want to change the corner radii, the rect tool will let you do that in absolute units (mm, pt, etc.). I will at least implement this as an option, but my question is, does anyone else think that this should be the default or even the only behavior? I also like the idea of being able to copy/paste corner radii along with the rest of the params with Paste Style. This will require some additional coding because the rx and ry attrs are not part of the style, but for the user it will be transparent. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: HELP!!! was: Re: [Inkscape-devel] importing bitmaps as patterns
by bulia byak 27 May '04

27 May '04

>Though: in the fill dialog I can change between alternating and >winding... what does this do? We spent quite some effort packing the explanation of that in the tooltip :) Hover your mouse over the menu, and post to the list if you feel the tooltip is in any way unclear. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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rect improvements
by bulia byak 27 May '04

27 May '04

* The rect now has one more handle in the bottom right corner which allows you to resize the selected rect without switching to selector. Also unlike selector, resizing by this handle preserves the absolute values of the rounded corner radii (as opposed to the radius/width and radius/height ratios). The handles for rounding corners are moved to the top right corner. Also while at it, I implemented this RFE: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=933672&group_id=93… and made it so that equal-radii rounded corners are always applied as such when new rects are created. David, please check and report if it's to your liking. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: HELP!!! was: Re: [Inkscape-devel] importing bitmaps as patterns
by bulia byak 27 May '04

27 May '04

>1) The image's top-left is not aligned with the rect's top-left. >Currently >the image's top-left is (usually) in the center of the rect. Works for me. Can you provide an example? 2) When the rect is grown, the image is tiled to fit the rect. It >should cover >the rect exactly and completely -once-. Oh, again, this is A BUG to be fixed :) I have specifically noted that you need to Store tranasforms: Preserved as a workaround for now. If this still happens with Preserved, I want to know details. >2) Image transparency is broken. The background of the rect is copied >onto >whatever is behind it. I do not know how to fix this. If the >image it placed upon an invisible rect, isn't the entire image invisible >also? The rect would have to be 0% opaque on the transparent parts, >and whatever the user wants on the rest (default 100%). It would >basically need to be a matte fill, or the alpha-blend algorithm. I honestly haven't looked at transparency in particular, but I remember that it didn't work for <image> either when I tried it. I'll investigate. >This is a great idea, but I can't use it right now. I'd like to keep >using the current CVS, but is there a way I can back this change >out just for myself? Set options.importbitmapsasimages to 1 in your preferences.xml. Better yet, stay in the new mode and help us debug it :) _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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re: bitmap as patterns
by Cédric GEMY 27 May '04

27 May '04

Wow, I didn't see that. I've to try. Does it mean this could also be a beginning state to add clip and mask on the shapes and path, such as described at http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/masking.html ? Cedric

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Re: font metrics
by MenTaLguY 27 May '04

27 May '04

On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 02:54, fred wrote: > the fact that the work needed is still a bit blurry > probably doesn't motivate people; also, i'm less and > less sure of the first step you put in the roadmap > that consists of doing a pango libnrtype backend to > eat libnrtype from the inside; libnrtype main use is > to get glyph outlines and advances, something i cannot > get pango to spit. on the other hand, > nr-type-directory and nr-typeface are almost 1/1 > mappings to PangoFontMap and PangoFont That's about right; the plan is: 1. C++ify libnrtype to make it easier to refactor 2. introduce an NRTypeFace subclass that wraps PangoFont (and hides any platform/pango-backend-specific details) 3. remove the other NRTypeFace subclasses 4. jettison NRTypeDirectory and NRTypeFace, using Pango directly (moving any facilities not directly provided by Pango into a separate set of C++ classes) To get glyph outlines and advances in Pango, you need to use backend-specific functions to get a "font handle" native to the underlying API (e.g. Freetype or Win32). IIRC, PangoGlyph in turn is just an integer containing the native font glyph index. At that point you can use the "native" API to get what you want. Of course, SPTypeset, SPText etc. should not have to care about the native API; the intent is that the NRTypeFace subclass in #2 and later the supplemental classes in #4 will provide an API hiding those details. Part of the reason for the gradual approach is that there are a lot of (potentially important) minor tweaks in libnrtype (e.g. the special unicode mapping Lauris added for "symbol fonts" for Lilypond-generated SVG); we want to understand all the code we're replacing so we won't have regrets later. Another reason is so we can easily evaluate Pango without causing the breakage a wholesale replacement would. For example, I think the freetype backend should work on Win32 (i.e. it should pick up the Win32-installed fonts), but we need to make sure there aren't any gotchas. (an ideal goal is to get the same code working on Win32 and Unix, but we have yet to see if that is possible..) If at that point all the changes are "contained" by the libnrtype API, if it turns out to work badly, we can switch to using the win32 pango backend on Windows without disrupting the rest of the code. > isn't such info already contained in a glyph string? > maybe diacritical marks have a special treatment (0 > width, x_offset and y_offset?) in pango, i dont seem > to locate rasterization-specific stuff for arabic; > once the text has passed through the shaper, the > glyphstring doesn't change. Yes. I think I misunderstood the stages of Pango before. Doesn't the shaper output include the advance, then? -mental

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: importing bitmaps as patterns
by bulia byak 26 May '04

26 May '04

I think all you say is correct, but the default is not the option which produces the smallest code; the default is simply the option which is expected and liked by the majority. Moreover, when you count that majority, novices and casual users have a larger weight because this is who will mostly use the defaults. This is why I asked about the option here in the list. Your desire to get clean SVG is understandable (even though I don't think a pattern fill is in any way "unclean"), but I have a suspicion that the ability to reshape a bitmap will be welcomed by more people (and the list response so far confirms this). Anyway, remember that you (and anyone else who wants to get <image>) will be able to set the corresponding option once and forget about the issue. >That isn't to say that the new functionality isn't good - implementing any >new svg feature is a good thing. Just that doing simple things should >produce clean and simple SVG. I disagree. Doing clean and simple things must produce clean, simple, and predictable _behavior_. A rect is a much more familiar, clean, and simple thing to a user than an <image> which is frighteningly inflexible. >[0] As an aside: has any thought been given to supporting JNG? It is a >variant of PNG supporting jpeg compressed image data with a PNG alpha >channel, and is specified as part of MNG: http://www.libmng.com/pub/mng/ We now use gdkpixbuf for bitmap import, so if it supports it, we do too. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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importing bitmaps as patterns
by bulia byak 26 May '04

26 May '04

I got an idea today which I went on to quickly implement, so you can test it in CVS already. Now when you import a bitmap into your drawing, it appears not as an <image> element but as a <rect> with pattern fill, the pattern being the image you imported. It looks the same, but the important difference is that you can easily "mask" the image by changing the shape of the rect (round corners, or convert to path and node-edit, or apply some booleans etc. just as you would with any rectangle). I think this makes it a lot more useful and I would even suggest making this a default (as it is now in CVS), although an option to create <image> as before still remains. There are a bunch of bugs related to pattern fills currently, but I hope to clear them sooner or later. For now, set Transforms to Preserve in the preferences so that rects behave as expected when transformed. I'd like to hear opinions on the usefulness and possible default-ness of this trick. It does not remove the necessity to have a pattern fill tool or dialog, but I think it lets you do without in the majority of situations. You can even apply the same pattern fill to other shapes by doing Copy/Paste Style (the imported rect ends up grouped as of now, so ungroup it first). _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] importing bitmaps as patterns
by bulia byak 26 May '04

26 May '04

>Sounds good, though later on, it shouldn't be a fill, but actually a >mask. >I admit not to have tried the cvs, but I wonder how scaling of the image >would work... if I just change the shape, I'll crop it. Is there a easy >way to scale the pattern with the object? In InDesign (well, that is >masks, but anyway) wou press ctrl, so scale frame and content. Is there >a keybinding alike for that? Cause frankly, scaling of images is IMHO >even more important than clipping. By default fill is scaled (except in rects and paths for Optimize mode, but it's a bug which I'll fix). I will add three toggle buttons to the top panel that will turn on/off transformations of stroke width, pattern fills, and gradients with the object so you can easily control this. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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current snapshot: unable to import JPEGs
by Artemio 26 May '04

26 May '04

Hello! With yesterday's snapshot, if I import a JPEG (which I used to successfully import with previous versions) I get "Failed to load image xxx.jpg". PNG works fine. Artemio. -- Artemio.net ::: world's official Artemio resource ::: http://artemio.net [local time 17:53:20 (GMT +3) 26 May 2004] [system uptime 2 hr 07 min]

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] re: bitmap as patterns
by bulia byak 26 May '04

26 May '04

>Does it mean this could also be a beginning state to add clip and mask on >the >shapes and path, such as described at >http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/masking.html ? No, masks are an entirely different thing which we need to support. Here you just change a shape which has a bitmap pattern fill, though this may give results similar to masking for the bitmap. _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/

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Richard M. Stallman On Tuesday, June 8 will give a speech at Portland State University
by Bryce Harrington 25 May '04

25 May '04

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 14:34:08 -0700 From: Christine Moore <cem@...367...> Subject: Richard M. Stallman On Tuesday, June 8 will give a speech at Portland State University On Tuesday, June 8, Richard M. Stallman, founder of the GNU Project and Free Software Foundation, will give a speech in Lincoln Performance Hall at Portland State University: "The Free Software Movement and the GNU/Linux Operating System." He will discuss the purpose, goals, philosophy, methods, status, and future prospects of the GNU operating system, which in combination with the kernel Linux is now used by an estimated 17 to 20 million users world wide. There will be a question-and-answer session afterwards. The event begins at 7:00 PM, and will last approximately three hours. Lincoln Hall is located on the Portland State University Campus in Portland at the corner of Broadway and Market Streets. Feel free to let your friends and acquaintances know about this. Please do not RSVP to this. ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy

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Fw: Re: [Passepartout] PPT + Inkscape
by Bluefuture 25 May '04

25 May '04

--------- Original Message -------- Da: passepartout@...273... To: \"passepartout@...273...\" <passepartout@...273...> Cc: \"Dylan VanHerpen\" <dvanherpen@...210...> Oggetto: Re: [Passepartout] PPT + Inkscape Data: 23/05/04 22:32 Dylan VanHerpen <dvanherpen@...210...> writes: > Fredrik, Hey, I\'m just half the development team :-) > I\'m impressed with the functionality already present in Passepartout, > and anxiously waiting for the next update. Like others, I\'d like SVG > support, truetype font support and better type handling. TrueType support is being worked on. Type handling? > I\'ve also been using Inkscape, which already is very useable for > single page layouts (especially when the Pango conversion is > completed with the next release). It seems to me that Inkscape and > PPT complement each other rather well. > What would you think about combining the strengths of both efforts, and > developing PPT as a layout module for Inkscape? Inkscape seems to be > further along in terms of font handling (Pango), vector graphics and > object layering (with alpha-blending). Combining the two would make for > a kick-ass DTP solution with a great universal document format. Collaboration with Inkscape has been suggested before and it certainly makes a lot of sense, though I don\'t think merging the programs is a good idea. Inkscape seems to have a very nice version of the gnome canvas, more capable than the vanilla version, which I\'m not even sure has a maintainer. I don\'t know if Pango has much to do with the font support in Inkscape. Inkscape can convert fonts to Beziér curves. I don\'t think it could do that without reading the font files. We\'d like to know how it manages to find out what font files correspond to which fonts in X. We haven\'t been in touch with any of the Inkscape devs though. -- Fredrik Arnerup <e97_far@...270...> http://www.stacken.kth.se/~foo/

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] error with compiling current snapshot :-(
by bulia byak 25 May '04

25 May '04

I get the same error. Fred, please fix as it's in your file. >libinkpre.a(sp-typeset-utils.o)(.text+0x2862): In function >`pango_text_chunker::pango_text_chunker[not-in-charge](text_with_info*, >char*, double, int)': >/home/artemio/Documents/build/inkscape-20040524/src/sp-typeset-utils.cpp:857: >undefined reference to `pango_ft2_font_map_new' >libinkpre.a(sp-typeset-utils.o)(.text+0x2903): In function >`pango_text_chunker::pango_text_chunker[in-charge](text_with_info*, char*, >double, int)': >/home/artemio/Documents/build/inkscape-20040524/src/sp-typeset-utils.cpp:857: >undefined reference to `pango_ft2_font_map_new' >libinkpre.a(sp-typeset-utils.o)(.text+0x3d71): In function >`pango_text_chunker::SetTextWithAttrs(text_with_info*, int)': >/home/artemio/Documents/build/inkscape-20040524/src/sp-typeset-utils.cpp:1200: >undefined reference to `pango_ft2_font_map_create_context' _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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error with compiling current snapshot :-(
by Artemio 25 May '04

25 May '04

g++ -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -Wsign-compare -Woverloaded-virtual -Wswitch -Wno-unused-parameter -g -O2 -o inkscape --export-dynamic main.o -Wl,--export-dynamic libinkpre.a dialogs/libspdialogs.a xml/libspxml.a svg/libspsvg.a widgets/libspwidgets.a display/libspdisplay.a helper/libspchelp.a libnrtype/libnrtype.a libnr/libnr.a livarot/libvarot.a extension/libextension.a extension/implementation/libimplementation.a extension/internal/libinternal.a inkjar/libinkjar.a libinkpost.a /usr/lib/libxml2.so -lpthread /usr/lib/libgtkmm-2.0.so /usr/lib/libgdkmm-2.0.so /usr/lib/libatkmm-1.0.so /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so /usr/lib/libpangomm-1.0.so /usr/lib/libglibmm-2.0.so /usr/lib/libsigc-1.2.so /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so -lm /usr/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so /usr/lib/libpangox-1.0.so /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so -ldl /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so -lpng /usr/lib/libpopt.so -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXft -lX11 -lXrender /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so /usr/lib/libexpat.so /usr/lib/libfreetype.so -lz libinkpre.a(sp-typeset-utils.o)(.text+0x2862): In function `pango_text_chunker::pango_text_chunker[not-in-charge](text_with_info*, char*, double, int)': /home/artemio/Documents/build/inkscape-20040524/src/sp-typeset-utils.cpp:857: undefined reference to `pango_ft2_font_map_new' libinkpre.a(sp-typeset-utils.o)(.text+0x2903): In function `pango_text_chunker::pango_text_chunker[in-charge](text_with_info*, char*, double, int)': /home/artemio/Documents/build/inkscape-20040524/src/sp-typeset-utils.cpp:857: undefined reference to `pango_ft2_font_map_new' libinkpre.a(sp-typeset-utils.o)(.text+0x3d71): In function `pango_text_chunker::SetTextWithAttrs(text_with_info*, int)': /home/artemio/Documents/build/inkscape-20040524/src/sp-typeset-utils.cpp:1200: undefined reference to `pango_ft2_font_map_create_context' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [inkscape] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/artemio/Documents/build/inkscape-20040524/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/artemio/Documents/build/inkscape-20040524' make: *** [all] Error 2 -- Artemio.net ::: world's official Artemio resource ::: http://artemio.net [local time 21:23:55 (GMT +3) 25 May 2004] [system uptime 1 hr 32 min]

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fw: Re: [Passepartout] PPT + Inkscape
by bulia byak 25 May '04

25 May '04

>> Collaboration with Inkscape has been suggested before and it >> certainly makes a lot of sense, though I don't think merging the >> programs is a good idea. >> >Would you like to share your reasons why not? One reason is that we must stay within SVG, which does not have very good text support. So a DTP app can hardly be embedded into Inkscape. The other way round (embedding SVG into a DTP format and thus Inkscape into a DTP app) seems more feasible. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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FASD project: Online survey launched
by unknown＠example.com 25 May '04

25 May '04

Dear Open Source developer I am doing a research project on "Fun and Software Development" in which I kindly invite you to participate. You will find the online survey under http://fasd.ethz.ch/qsf/. The questionnaire consists of 53 questions and you will need about 15 minutes to complete it. With the FASD project (Fun and Software Development) we want to define the motivational significance of fun when software developers decide to engage in Open Source projects. What is special about our research project is that a similar survey is planned with software developers in commercial firms. This procedure allows the immediate comparison between the involved individuals and the conditions of production of these two development models. Thus we hope to obtain substantial new insights to the phenomenon of Open Source Development. With many thanks for your participation, Benno Luthiger PS: The results of the survey will be published under http://www.isu.unizh.ch/fuehrung/blprojects/FASD/. We have set up the mailing list fasd@...363... for this study. Please see http://fasd.ethz.ch/qsf/mailinglist_en.html for registration to this mailing list. _______________________________________________________________________ Benno Luthiger Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich 8092 Zurich Mail: benno.luthiger(at)id.ethz.ch _______________________________________________________________________

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usability stuff
by bulia byak 24 May '04

24 May '04

* The per-object selection cues can now be displayed in any tool, so that you can see what is selected at all times. You can switch these cues on or off for each tool in the Preferences dialog (the default is on for all tools). Also, the cues can now be displayed either as dashed bounding boxes or as diamond marks in the object's top left corner. * The dropper tool now works always (previously it only worked in conjunction with the Fill and Stroke dialog). Click to set the fill color of selection, Shift+click to set the stroke color. Also, dropper can pick either the visible color (without transparency) or the actual object color (including transparency), depending on a preference setting. It also displays the color under cursor in the status bar. Feedback welcome. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Linux "DCO"
by Bryce Harrington 24 May '04

24 May '04

At work we just had an informal presentation about the new "Developer's Certificate of Origin (DCO)" that Linus is adopting for Linux (see http://osdl.org/newsroom/press_releases/2004/2004_05_24_beaverton.html). Basically, what I took from this was that the reason for this is because the Linux development process includes integration of patches submitted by various developers that are integrated by "lieutenants". In this process, the identity of the contributor can be lost if the lieutenant just takes the code into their own patchset. Interestingly, this wasn't driven by the SCO lawsuit - apparently it's been on Linus' todo list for the past year but hadn't bubbled up to the top until now. I had wondered if it had something to do with OSDL, but it turns out it doesn't; Linus just wanted OSDL to 'lightening rod' questions from reporters, and OSDL has offered to help with some kind of bk tool for databasing the contributor info, but that's still in the abstract at this point. This process may be useful for other projects if they have a similar development model to Linux. Being able to trace the origin of all code contributions can be critical if the project ever runs into legal questions at some point. For Inkscape, though, I think our processes are already sufficient. Because we use the patch tracker for externally contributed patches, we have a Sourceforge ID associated with each patch; we have cvs history for all direct contributors. Up 'til now we've allowed non-logged in patch submissions, however for traceability purposes I've disabled this. Our processes for updating Changelog, AUTHORS, and the release notes, also ensure that pretty much all non-trivial changes get documented. I know we sometimes get patches to the mailing list or to individuals; it would probably be wise to adopt the practice of encouraging these individuals to submit it to the patch tracker -- otherwise make doubly sure to record their name and email in the patch tracker and/or Changelog. Disabling the anonymous patch submission will also ensure we always have the ability to re-contact the patch submitter for questions or whatever, which I think is a benefit in and of itself, but if anyone has concerns about this, lemme know. Most of the anonymous submissions so far have been translations (mainly the Catalan and Japanese translations.) Bryce

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Re: [OSNews-Crew] Article about Inkscape (fwd)
by Bryce Harrington 24 May '04

24 May '04

FYI ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:44:41 -0700 From: Eugenia Loli-Queru <eugenia@...358...> To: osnews-crew@...358... Cc: bryce@...260... Subject: Re: [OSNews-Crew] Article about Inkscape Thanks Bryce, it will go live in 1,5 weeks (I will be on holidays this wek). The article's format looks great. thx, Eugenia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryce Harrington" <bryce@...260...> To: <osnews-crew@...358...> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 2:43 PM Subject: [OSNews-Crew] Article about Inkscape > Hi, > > There have been a few mentions of Inkscape recently on OSS sites like > LWN (in a review of diagramming tools for Linux), and on the OSNews site > (in an interview of KDE and Gnome artists), but to date there haven't > been articles about Inkscape itself. > > I'm submitting the enclosed article for your consideration to publish on > OSNews. In addition to giving an intro into Inkscape itself, it takes > the reader through the process of how a new feature is added to a > project like Inkscape, to give some insights into the mechanisms of Open > Source. > > Bryce > > P.S., a few months after this goes live on OSNews, we would like to also > post this at the Inkscape site for historical/informational purposes.

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listed before sodipodi
by Kees Cook 24 May '04

24 May '04

on page 2, inkscape is mentioned! :) http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7102 One dude doesn't know it's name, though ("inkspace"). -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Marker
by bulia byak 23 May '04

23 May '04

>Nice, btw the gimp has a very nice stroke editor, perhaps you can just >copy it. I don't think we need anything elaborate, just a text field for editing the stroke-dasharray value. Combined with the preview, it will be suitable for most typical uses IMHO. >I used it very often and I don't think it was screen space waste because >there is nothing else important at that position in the window. Please describe your typical work scenario where you would euqally often use both modes and would need to switch them (I'm not arguing, just trying to understand). As for space, removing this frees some more space for the statusbar messages. Besides, that button was rather out of place in that location because the statusbar is supposed to be used for information and tips on the drawing, not for changing window beahvior. _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Incorrect link on Mailing Lists page
by Bob Jamison 23 May '04

23 May '04

I noticed this morning that the Mail Lists page: http://inkscape.org/mailing_lists.php has a minor typo. The link for 'inkscape-user' is given as: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=36227 ...which is the same as the Tracker list. It should be: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=37513 Just thought I would let someone know. Bob

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] what should "." do?
by bulia byak 23 May '04

23 May '04

>I can't find "." in the shortcut list, what is it supposed to do? This is alias for > (scale up), and "," is an alias for <. I fixed that crash in CVS now. _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Marker
by bulia byak 23 May '04

23 May '04

>I worked a little bit with markers and now have two thing about the >"Stroke style" Dialog. >The first thing is, is it possible to define my own Pattern? Yes. Right now you just edit your preferences.xml (group id="dashes"). A bit later a simple GUI editing facility will be added. >And the second, the list of makers is quite long and I think that it >will grow in the future. So, I think we need a new widget, something >like the widget gimp uses for the fonts, for the markers. Most certainly. >P.S. Why have you removed the "Zoom when window is resized" button? It's not removed, it's now in global preferences (Ctrl+Shift+P, Windows tab). I don't think switching that often or on a per-window basis is so common as to justify the visual clutter and screen space waste in the main editing window. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Marker
by Tobias Jakobs 23 May '04

23 May '04

Hi, I worked a little bit with markers and now have two thing about the "Stroke style" Dialog. The first thing is, is it possible to define my own Pattern? And the second, the list of makers is quite long and I think that it will grow in the future. So, I think we need a new widget, something like the widget gimp uses for the fonts, for the markers. MfG Tobias P.S. Why have you removed the "Zoom when window is resized" button?

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gnome-print libnrtype removal
by MenTaLguY 23 May '04

23 May '04

Just a quick note that I'm removing the gnome-print libnrtype backend (both it an xft now get their fonts from fontconfig, IIRC). Theoretically, this should not impact printing with gnome-print. This should make less work for Pangoization, as well as remove another sizable piece of conditionally-compiled code. -mental

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My first marker
by Tobias Jakobs 23 May '04

23 May '04

Hi, here is my first marker and a example file. MfG Tobias

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what should "." do?
by Johan Forsberg 22 May '04

22 May '04

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Big Files
by bulia byak 22 May '04

22 May '04

>1) More import plugins. This is a function of the program's visibility and perceived usefulness in the community. Plugins are more often created by contributors than by core developers. Help spread the word. >2) A progressbar while opening files. Please submit an RFE on that. >3) Speed up the file loading. This will hopefully come as a side effect of cleaning up and rearchitecturing the codebase which will make possible optimizations more obvious. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [Inkscape-devel] fill & stroke]
by bulia byak 22 May '04

22 May '04

>I'm not that enamored of Illustrator's implementation, exactly, but I do >think it or something like it would be an improvement over the tabs. Illustrator is full of tabs, they're just very small. I find its interface rather clunky. >A less drastic marginal improvement might be if the tabs contained >preview rectangles of the fill and stroke. Don't you mean the CurrentColorWidget (see wiki)? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] listed before sodipodi
by bulia byak 22 May '04

22 May '04

>I'm a bit confused at Jimmac's comment, that, "I'm hoping to write a >simple functional spec for path editing, since at least Inkscape >developers seem to be interested in making their app be a graphic tool, >not an SVG editor aiming to implement all of the standard." My guess is that he is aware of our attempts to make Inkscape usable - that is reflected in the "making their app a graphic tool" part, because a graphic tool is what he's interested in too. But he's probably not too interested in SVG as such, and perhaps when he tried Sodipodi and found it unusable, he ascribed that to its intention to focus on SVG too much, instead of the real reason (the neglect of usability by the Sodipodi author). _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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[Fwd: Re: [OSNews-Crew] Inkspace change to Inkscape]
by Jon Phillips 21 May '04

21 May '04

Can anyone more up to date respond to Eugenia from osnews? Thanks, Jon -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Eugenia Loli-Queru <eugenia@...358...> > To: osnews-crew@...358... > Cc: jon@...235... > Subject: Re: [OSNews-Crew] Inkspace change to Inkscape > Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:50:15 -0700 > > Done. BTW, have you updated inkscape to build with the latest gtkmm? Last > time I tried it wasn't buidling... > > Eugenia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Phillips" <jon@...235...> > To: <osnews-crew@...358...> > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:09 AM > Subject: [OSNews-Crew] Inkspace change to Inkscape > > > > Hello. > > > > While I understand the importance of upholding an interview verbatim, > > could you all possibly correct the misspelling of the Open Source > > project Inkscape, which is mispelled as Inkspace in this article: > > > > JIMMAC and EVERALDO > > http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7102 > > > > The misspell is on page 2. Could you also include the link: > > http://www.inkscape.org/ as this is great press for us. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jon > > > > > > -- > > > > Jon Phillips > > Graduate Researcher > > Visual Arts Department > > > > PO BOX 948667 > > LA JOLLA, CA > > 92037 > > USA > > > > cell.858.361.2811 > > jon@...235... > > http://www.rejon.org > > > > _____________________________________ > > OSNews-Crew mailing list > > OSNews-Crew@...358... > > -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] lock icon in the selection mode
by bulia byak 21 May '04

21 May '04

>I think that once that lock icon is clicked, that it should turn red I don't think so. Being depressed is enough. >something and then lock the handles on the selected objects to scale at >the current aspect ratio. Yes, I thought about that too. Will do. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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"save as copy" or "export"
by David Christian Berg 21 May '04

21 May '04

I'm not totally up to date with my cvs and not sure if it is worth compiling a new version of inkscape. But I was wondering, if there is "save as copy" menu item, just as in gimp. You know, when you want to create an ps, or eps, you do want to save the changes into the svg as well. You could also think about extending the functionality of the export dialog to handle the .ps .ai and .eps and what ever formats as well. What do you think about this? David -- Windows is not the answer. It's the quesition. The answer is "No!".

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] about current snapshot
by bulia byak 21 May '04

21 May '04

>On Wednesday 19 May 2004 04:58, you wrote: > > >3. Mini-sized dropdown lists still look weird because the font size is > > >large, > > >like in usual-sized dropdown lists (see the shot). > > > Does this only happen in that dialog? >No, not only. See attachements. > > > What about the units list on the > > selector top panel? >It looks fine. See my shots at the "web design" section of inkscape.org ;-) I see. I think I know where this comes from but please submit this as a bug (attaching your screenshots) because I may not be able to fix it right now. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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lock icon in the selection mode
by Jon Phillips 21 May '04

21 May '04

It seems counter-intuitive to click the lock icon and then when scaling from the dragbars to not have the aspect ratio locked as well as when entering numbers manually into the input field. I think that once that lock icon is clicked, that it should turn red or something and then lock the handles on the selected objects to scale at the current aspect ratio. FYI. Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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[Fwd: Re: [Inkscape-devel] fill & stroke]
by Jon Phillips 21 May '04

21 May '04

-----Forwarded Message----- > From: Jon Phillips <jon@...235...> > To: bulia byak <archiver_1@...19...> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] fill & stroke > Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:19:03 -0700 > > No it is useful to have the fill and color stroke more like swatches > that are compared against each other. The tabbed palette hides this > information too much (and yes you can see it on the canvas, but what if > you want to color mix without an object selected). > > Also, this request is not so much about saving space as about providing > a similar experience across applications. Please look at this > illustrator screen shot of how colors are handled: > > http://protofunk.org/projects/group/inkscape/reference/adobeillustrator/10/… > > Illustrator's smaller interface is brilliant and how colors can be dealt > with as foreground/background or stroke/line is brilliant as well. > > Jon > > > On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 12:38, bulia byak wrote: > > >Couldn't the Fill and Stroke tabs be condensed into one by having a > > >toggle between fill and stroke on the same pane with the color chooser. > > > > Don't see how this is drastically better than a pair of tabs. It's not > > likely to take much less space. > > > > >This is the most common use in Illustrator, Freehand and other apps. The > > >illustrator approach is pretty useful, because you can change a shape's > > >line and fill back and forth by hitting the 'x' key, and do it in the > > >interface as well. > > > > What do you mean by "doing it in the interface"? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee Security : 2 months > > FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht… -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] fill & stroke
by bulia byak 20 May '04

20 May '04

>Couldn't the Fill and Stroke tabs be condensed into one by having a >toggle between fill and stroke on the same pane with the color chooser. Don't see how this is drastically better than a pair of tabs. It's not likely to take much less space. >This is the most common use in Illustrator, Freehand and other apps. The >illustrator approach is pretty useful, because you can change a shape's >line and fill back and forth by hitting the 'x' key, and do it in the >interface as well. What do you mean by "doing it in the interface"? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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all-clubs bug
by bulia byak 20 May '04

20 May '04

I think i fixed the all-clubs bug in marker previews. Please test and report. The bad thing is that the dialog takes quite some time to show up initially. We probably need some kind of caching for the previews. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Add new marker
by Tobias Jakobs 20 May '04

20 May '04

Hi, how can I add new marker to inkscape? I found the markers.svg and copied the last "<marker>..</marker>" and changed the "id" and the "inkscape:stockid". But it doesn't work. Can I do that without recompiling? One file for all Markers is not very user friendly because you can't share easily new markers with other users. MfG Tobias

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fill & stroke
by bulia byak 20 May '04

20 May '04

* The Fill and Stroke dialog is made simpler and more usable by removing some obsolete options, shortening labels, using smaller and more descriptive icons, and adding mnemonic hotkeys and tooltips. The dialog now remembers and reactivates the color selector tab you were using last. The channel entry fields are switched from the 0..1 range to 0..255 range for increased precision. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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C++ features with NRObject
by MenTaLguY 20 May '04

20 May '04

Just a quick heads-up to a change I made a couple days ago -- it's now safe to use any C++ feature with NRObject-derived classes provided that: * you still use NRObject functions to manage the object's lifecycle * there is an unbroken chain of C++ inheritance between the clas an NRObject * a class which is directly instantiated or used directly with RTTI needs to have NRObjectClass::cpp_ctor overloaded for it -mental

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] flipping with gradients
by bulia byak 19 May '04

19 May '04

>When I flip an object, I'd expect all gradients to flip the same way, but >they >don't! it's the same with "rotate 90 degrees" and rotation by handles; >gradients stick to the same orientation. As it works now, flipping an >object >horizontally does not give me the exact mirror image, since most gradients >now >look funny. Is there a technical reason for this behavior? I find it kind >of >counter-intuitive. Yes, I'm working on that right now :) This is the case only with "optimizing" objects, i.e. paths and rects. As a workaround, go to Inkscape Preferences (if you're using CVS), Transforms, and click on "Store transformation: preserved". This will fix this problem for all objects. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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flipping with gradients
by Johan Forsberg 19 May '04

19 May '04

Hello! When I flip an object, I'd expect all gradients to flip the same way, but they don't! it's the same with "rotate 90 degrees" and rotation by handles; gradients stick to the same orientation. As it works now, flipping an object horizontally does not give me the exact mirror image, since most gradients now look funny. Is there a technical reason for this behavior? I find it kind of counter-intuitive. Otherwise, inkscape is developing amazingly well! I'd love to contribute to the project, if only with examples of artwork. Cheers, Johan Forsberg

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Keyboard shortcuts summary (fwd)
by Bryce Harrington 19 May '04

19 May '04

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 17:10:14 +0200 From: Frederic Crozat <fcrozat@...356...> To: xdg-list@...330... Subject: Keyboard shortcuts summary Hi, As some of you probably have noticed, one of the problems advanced users often encounter when using different applications is the lack of consistency between shortcuts. This problem is usually not visible when using applications by for your desktop (ie KDE applications when using KDE or GNOME applications when using GNOME) but it becomes highly visible when you switch environment or when you run one application in "hostile" (ie not its natural) environment. To try to resolve this problem, I've tried to grab the most often used keyboard shorcuts in GNOME, KDE, Mozilla and OpenOffice. The result are available at : http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~fcrozat/shortcuts/shortcuts2.gnumeric I'd like to put this table on freedesktop.org (maybe, on http://www.freedesktop.org/Standards/default-keys-spec) This way, we could start a discussion with developers of the different projects on how to improve the current situation. PS : I'll be offline for two weeks starting tomorrow, but don't hesitate to mail xdg mailing-list or me directly.. -- Frederic Crozat <fcrozat@...356...> Mandrakesoft _______________________________________________ xdg mailing list xdg@...330... http://freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xdg

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] about current snapshot
by bulia byak 19 May '04

19 May '04

>1. I try to print as postscript and pipe though kprinter, but always get a >blank page. I launch Inkscape, draw a circle, print and get a blank page. File a bug. Try to locate the source of the problem - do other ways of printing work? Did it work before? If so when did it stop working? As always (http://inkscape.org/report_bugs.php), try to provide as much help as you can to the developers if you want your bug to be fixed promptly. >2. Are there any plans on implementing storing the printer command? I could do a quick-and-dirty implementation, but it needs to involve the extensions subsystem which I'm not too familiar with. Please bug Ted Gould. >3. Mini-sized dropdown lists still look weird because the font size is >large, >like in usual-sized dropdown lists (see the shot). Does this only happen in that dialog? What about the units list on the selector top panel? _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Big Files
by Tobias Jakobs 19 May '04

19 May '04

Hi, I made some bigger SVG files and noticed that inkscape needs some improvements. Here how I made the files: - exported a map from xrmap to eps - converted the eps file with pstoedit to xfig - used sketch/skencil to convert the xfig file to svg and here comes my wish list to the inkscape developers: 1) More import plugins. 2) A progressbar while opening files. 3) Speed up the file loading. Perhaps someone can even look into xrmap and add a SVG export. MfG Tobias You can find the files here: http://www.hagemaenner.de/stuff/inkscape xrmap: http://frmas.free.fr/li_1.htm pstoedit: http://www.pstoedit.net/pstoedit skencil: http://sketch.sourceforge.net/

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gradient in ps
by David Christian Berg 19 May '04

19 May '04

Does the newes cvs support gradients in ps files? David -- Otto von Bismarck once remarked: “A fool learns from his experience. A wise person learns from the experience of others.” If so, how to define President George W. Bush, who is not even able to learn from his own experience?

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find
by Jon Phillips 19 May '04

19 May '04

Hello, Bulia...awesome job on the find. I wonder if there shouldn't be a simple find with an arrow for more advanced options....like one box for finding objects. There are too many options up front...maybe I'm mistaken. Also, is the new dialog HIG compliant? Sorry for not helping much recently...and on this problem...I'm swamped...awesome work however! Two more weeks of this and then I'm back. Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] gradient in ps
by bulia byak 19 May '04

19 May '04

>Does the newes cvs support gradients in ps files? No. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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the new Find dialog
by bulia byak 18 May '04

18 May '04

The new Find dialog (Ctrl+F) selects objects by their text content, ID, style, attribute name, or object type (shapes, texts, groups, etc.). The search terms can be combined. An exact match is attempted first; if it fails, partial matches are selected if found (e.g. searching for "ff0000" in Style will select all objects that have this color anywhere in their style attribute). _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Hegel-Black font
by bulia byak 17 May '04

17 May '04

>Win32 autobuild 040515 is putting up a warning message on startup saying it >cannot find Hegel-Black font family. Not surprising as it is not in the >font >list. :-). Can someone put it in or tell us poor win users where it can be >found. A quick google did not turn it up. Sorry, I just forgot to convert-to-shapes a text in icons.svg. This is fixed in latest CVS. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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selector top panel
by bulia byak 17 May '04

17 May '04

* In the selector top panel, the W and H fields can now be locked so that the selection preserves its height/width ratio when resized. Also, percent (%) is added to the panel's unit menu, so you can easily resize or move your selection by a relative value. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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more inkscape examples
by Artemio 17 May '04

17 May '04

Hello Inkscapers! Once again I'd like to tell you that Inkscape is an amazing tool - and not only because it's so full-featured and convenient-to-use, but because it INSPIRES. I mean it - in my entire life, I have never used a graphic tool that was as fun to use as Inkscape is. I love it! I'd like to tell you about what use of Inkscape I have made recently (you may already know about some of them). 1. My www.fantomized.info musicians' community released a compilation CD. A booklet for this CD has been created with Inkscape. 2. I am writing a book on sound design. It currently includes over 25 drawings by Inkscape. 3. I created a cool drawing for a new little site of mine: http://artemio.net/projects/fantom-s 4. Three of my project sites got new beautiful logos: http://artemio.net/projects/linuxdoc (this one is simply beatiful) http://artemio.net/projects/kdevibes http://artemio.net/projects/beatskitchen Should I send you all or some of the screenshots? :-) Artemio. -- ArtemioLabs :.: innovative audio laboratories :.: http://artemiolabs.com [local time 17:49:40 (GMT +3) 17 May 2004] [system uptime 4 hr 35 min]

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current snapshotL ugly arrows again
by Artemio 17 May '04

17 May '04

... :-( -- A-Man :.: new music from Artemio :.: http://a-man.artemio.net [local time 19:04:51 (GMT +3) 17 May 2004] [system uptime 8 min]

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about current snapshot
by Artemio 17 May '04

17 May '04

Hello everybody! There are two things I'd like to ask about the current shapshot: 1. I try to print as postscript and pipe though kprinter, but always get a blank page. I launch Inkscape, draw a circle, print and get a blank page. 2. Are there any plans on implementing storing the printer command? 3. Mini-sized dropdown lists still look weird because the font size is large, like in usual-sized dropdown lists (see the shot). Artemio. -- Artemio.net :.: world's official Artemio resource :.: http://artemio.net [local time 17:44:13 (GMT +3) 17 May 2004] [system uptime 4 hr 30 min]

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Inkscape Status May 15, 2004
by Bryce Harrington 17 May '04

17 May '04

Project Status Saturday, May 15, 2004< Much development has been under way over the past month. Markers have been fully implemented and can be applied to start, end, and mid nodes of lines; there's still a bit of work left to iron out little gliches, but the feature is fully usable at this point. A number of bugs related to localization, file saving/loading, markers, and more have been fixed; 21 bugs have been closed in the past 2 weeks. A number of new preferences have been added, including a wide range of paper sizes. It'll be great to get all these new capabilities out to users but the focus we determined for this next release is switching of the underlying font renderer from libnrtype to Pango. Mental has recently initiated work on this with the conversion of libnrtype to a C++ style of interface. Hopefully enough of us can contribute spare cycles into this effort that it can be completed quickly. Once that architectural conversion is complete we can turn attention to finalizing the 0.39 release. Aside from code development, work is being done to assist in promotion of the tool. Artemio has contributed screenshots of a couple of his websites to provide an <a href="/screenshots/examples/">example</a> of how Inkscape is being used for real work. We need additional examples of other types of usage, such as making icons, logos, posters, vectoralization of raster images, and etc. LWN has recently published a review of various Open Source diagramming tools, including a brief mention of Inkscape. Bryce is working to get an article about Inkscape published. Inkscape is being presented at events such as the "FLOSS In Design" seminar in Rotterdam. Statistics Nov 15 Jan 15 Mar 15 Apr 15 May 15 ========== ====== ====== ====== ====== ====== Lifetime Rank on SourceForge: 4391 1928 * 1164 1028 (68.5%) (86.1%) * (91.7%) (92.7%) Max Week's Rank on SourceForge: 62 321 90 31 36 (99.6%) (97.5%) * (99.8%) (99.8%) Total SF Page Views * 126,500 * 330,000 475,000 Total SF Downloads * 5,735 * 17,250 27,400 Total Freshmeat URL Hits 746 2,958 4,670 6,000 7,500 Total Freshmeat Subscriptions 16 33 50 70 74 Lines of Code in src/: 115,901 166,914 177,286 183,694 189,116 Code lines 133,150 138,457 143,662 147,471 Comment line 12,468 15,584 16,041 16,757 Blank 21,929 24,061 24,931 25,886 Lines of Docs in doc/: 1,135 3,000 4,434 4,540 4,544 Lines of content in website: 1,173 2,885 5,087 5,414 6,008 Size of the Inkscape wiki: 3,700 11,284 14,840 15,461 18,638 Minutes since last ChangeLog mod: 360 6 0 11 1 Bugs open/total: 9/15 74/160 43/244 47/322 57/365 Features open/total: 18/18 104/120 151/184 173/213 183/238 Patches open/total: 1/ 6 4/32 6/ 45 5/ 72 4/ 83 CVS Commits (as per inkscape-cvs): 481 * 3070 3710 3391 Inkscape-devel membership: 49 64 75 77 78 Inkscape-announce membership: 9 22 35 41 43 Inkscape-user membership: 71 * - Statistics unavailable

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windows builds (src/libnrtype/nr-type-w32.*)
by MenTaLguY 17 May '04

17 May '04

I've been poking at the Win32 bits of libnrtype today; hopefully the build is no longer broken, but could someone on Win32 please verify? -mental

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pangoification
by MenTaLguY 16 May '04

16 May '04

Just a quick note that I've started further C++ifying libnrtype; it's about time we got this pango ball rolling. -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] pangoification
by bulia byak 16 May '04

16 May '04

>On another note, BULIA, do you have any great thoughts about icons for >the new CLONE commands? Yes, JON, I do have great thoughts about those and many other icons :) but this will need to wait until closer to the release. For now I only cleaned up the Fill & Stroke icons a bit. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 16 May '04

16 May '04

>Okay, cool. I'll start implementing a whole series of item-only verbs. As I said, don't make item-oriented variants for _all_ commands, but only for those that make little or no sense for a selection of multiple objects of different types. >I, too, think it should item-oriented. This may complicate the usage of >verbs. Perhaps I will invent a "right-clicked" item in SPDesktop or >SPView, similar to the "selection" stuff. That way once the verb gets >called, it'll know what to take action on. Is there a better way to >handle this? I think the verbs should just take an optional SPItem* attribute, which if set will make them act on that item. That item is easy to figure out by sp_item_at_point, which depending on an argument returns an item with or without going into groups. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

>Is there a simple command that will tell me what "sort" of object the >mouse is on? No signle command, but there are macros SP_IS_RECTANGLE, SP_IS_USE, SP_IS_PATH and so on. >- what "mode" the mouse is in (selector, rectangle, text, etc) I think there's a function for that in tools-switch.cpp >- what object is under the mouse. (and notice "multiple selections") The number of selected items is easy to get from SPSelection. >Is there an enum of object types anywhere? At least the sense of object >vs stroke? What do you mean by "object vs stroke"? Maybe a shape (rect, star, etc) vs. arbitrary path? >Also, should the menu be long or deep? Use your judgement. The menu cannot be too short, Inkscape is a complex program. I think using submenus is OK - after all, this is what people have always done in Sodipodi, and some of them even like it, who'd-a-thought... >For example, if multiple items >are selected, the set of boolean operations should be included, but that >would make the top-level menu very long. A different way would be to >make a separate "boolean" submenu... thoughts? Yes, booleans in a submenu sounds good to me. But again, I never use that menu, so cannot really judge its usability. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

One more idea: for item-oriented commands, it would be nice if the command name reflected the type of the object, e.g. "Select Rect", "Select Rect in Group" etc. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

>Basically, the question is: should the right-click context menu be >selection-oriented or item-oriented? Currently it is item-oriented, >where the rest of the application is selection-oriented. Now that I think of it, item-oriented menu makes a lot of sense. It's a way to do something to one object only, without changing the selection. For example, it would be useful to have commands like: - Select/Deselect: Object (would work the same as shift-click, command name depends on whether the clicked object is selected or not) - Select/Deselect: Object in Group (same as shift-ctrl-click) - Object: Properties (applied to clicked object regardless of selection) - Object in Group: Properties - The most useful commands specific to the object type, such as Object to Path for non-paths, Stroke to Path for objects with visible stroke, Not Rounded for rects, Make Whole for ellipses (if applicable), Unlink/Select Original for clones, etc. Also: Remove Stroke, Remove Fill (useful but not yet implemented as a separate command) etc. However selection-oriented commands also need to be present, but in a section of their own after a separator. These may include relevant dialog openers: Text and Font if only text object(s) selected, Fill&Stroke for everything except clones, etc. These need to be selection-oriented because the corresponding dialogs are selection-oriented. When more than one object selected, this section would also contain group/ungroup, booleans, combine/break apart. Commands that may be applicable to both separate objects and selection (such as Copy) should also be here and work on selection, otherwise it may become confusing. As for Undo/Redo, I don't think these are appropriate for the context menu at all. Any commands that are not directly applicable to an object or selection should be removed from the context menu. So, overall, lots of useful logic may be implemented in this menu, so that opening it will at once give you lots of useful information on what's under mouse and what's selected, even if you do not call any of its commands. Most of this logic is already implemented around the codebase, you just need to gather it all in one place. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

>Oh, right. :P I've changed the text slightly to make it clearer for >me: > >Open a new window with the same document view > ^^^^ I don't like this change. "Same document view" to me sounds like the new view will be in sync with the old one, e.g. zoom in when I zoom in the other window, etc. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

>When I was doing icon/verb work, I had suggested "Duplicate Window", >which to me says I'm going to get another window, and it's going to be >the same as what I have right now. However, this may not indicate to >other people that it will contain a independently-controlled view of the >same data. (Although I think "Duplicate Window" is more informative >than "New Window" or "New View", it is probably still incomplete.) I cannot think up a way in which a new window would not be an "independently-controlled view of the same data", so I think "Duplicate Window" is perfectly adequate. >Perhaps "Duplicate View Window"? Or "Duplicate Window View"? Ew :) >(Can't we >have menu-based tool tips?) We do. Watch your statusbar as you walk through the menu. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

> * The "Text and Font..." dialog was really difficult for me to find; > I assumed it'd be under the Object menu and had to look through > all the other menus before I found it under Edit. It was also > strange that it was at the bottom of the Edit menu instead of at > the top, like the property dialogs in the Object menu. That's a temporary location. We will have a Text menu later and it will move there. But I agree that Object is a better temporary location for Text and Font. > * Now, of anyone, I probably know best where the marker settings are, > however it really seemed hard to get to. I kept thinking, "Hmm, > where's the line properties again? Oh yeah, the Fill dialog > box..." I'm not sure how this could be improved but it struck me > as counter intuitive. It might make sense to separate a Stroke dialog from a Color dialog, with Color having two tabs for fill and stroke. But I don't want to multiply dialogs unless we have ways to combine/dock/rearrange them easily. > * The right-click context menu needs a *lot* of attention. With the > dialog menu being moved to other menus (which is a great > improvement), I found that I kept wishing to have various things > available from the context menu. True, this is because this is one of the few UI element that I never touched :) and that is because I never use it. Whoever wants to improve it, go ahead, this should not be difficult. > * I pulled up the keyboard shortcuts page, and it's great that it's > so complete, and of course it's beautiful in SVG. However, I found > it very difficult to find stuff in it. There's just sooo much > text... I wanted to search the document but of course we don't > have a ctrl-f Find or ctrl-s Search command Searching in text is certainly doable. Someone simply needs to code it. > * The Object Properties dialog is very odd to me. It *seems* like > for a basic user this would have some very handy and useful things > on it for customizing the way my object looks, but when I look at > it, it's full of rather esoteric features. Another dialog I did not touch. Actually I thought to eliminate it at first, but then decided that it should stay, but completely redesigned. For one thing it will present all cascaded CSS properties for the object (pending AST/libcroco rearchitecturing). The redesign has not started yet :) > What does "printable" > mean, for instance? Does this mean it will show up on the screen > but not the printer? Probably. I never looked into it. Also the "visible" checkbox is always disabled because it's not yet implemented (I don't want to borrow that code from Sodi because it uses sodipodi:visible attribute which is sure to have problems rendering in other viewers). >Also, on the context menu it's called "Item > Properties" but pulls up the Object Properties dialog. Weird! Yep, the context menu needs to take command names and shortcuts from verbs, just as the regular menu does. Volunteers? > would expect the Object Properties dialog to allow me some sort of > way to get to things like text, color, line style, transform, etc. No, it's not an all-in-one dialog. Rather it's supposed to present a bit more low-level access to an object, although higher level than XML editor. > * Shouldn't New Window really be called Duplicate Window or Clone > Window or something? I assumed this command would do the same as > New. Duplicate Window maybe. Anyone else has an opinion? >2. I notice the performance isn't quite as "snappy" as I seem to remember. >Perhaps a consequence of fixing bugs? It's not horrible, but >noticeable. It's a consequence of Fred's new renderer. >3. For the life of me, I've never been able to figure out how to get the >inset, outset, and offset commands to work. I'm sure if I studied the >tutorial I'd figure it out, or if I've used something like them before >in other apps. It "feels" like I should be able to apply it to a path >but that doesn't seem to work right. What exactly does not work? >4. The star tool is set to remember its settings, which seems like a great >idea, but it's really weird to start up a fresh Inkscape and click on it >and instead of getting a five pointed star, to get whatever shape it was >you made the last time you used it. This seems highly inconsistent with >the way the rect and circle tools work - they always give you what you >see on the icon bar. No. They remember their settings too. Try to round a rect's corners and make an arc out of a circle, and you'll get the same next time. So it's all consistent, and I think it's much better that way. The ability to always get "five pointed star" is only good for demos, not for real work. Besides, all these tools have a button on the top panel which resets you to the defaults by a single click. >5. I think we need to rethinkify the calligraphic tool. I played with it >for half an hour to see if I could get something worth putting in the >article but didn't like anything I made. Does anyone use this? What is >it useful for? I wrote about that here. It's a tool created by a person who's not with us, and its code is dense and hard to figure out. More importantly, the tool is fundamentally flawed since it creates filled paths and not paths with shape that would be editable as any other paths. A completely new approach to calligraphic/shaped strokes is in long-term plans, but until then, this tool will have to stay. >6. The undo system can be kind of quirky. For example, click on the line >drawing tool. Draw one line. Start drawing another one but before you >end it, hit Ctrl-Z. Instead of the current line going away, the first >one you drew disappears. And no amount of undoing/redoing seems to be >able to bring it back. Because the second line is not created yet. It's just a plan for a line, not a real object. The last real line you created was the first one. If you want to cancel your non-finished line, press Esc, not Ctrl-Z. > * First, as mentioned above, it's really hard to get to the marker > settings. I keep expecting to right click on my line and hit, > "Marker Properties" or "Arrowheads" or something. Those who wish to work on right-click menu, take note :) > * Strangely, when I was doing the article, all the marker previews > were of the club symbol. But now for some reason they all work > right. Has anyone else noticed this behavior? Carl says he fixed this yesterday. I never got this bug so I cannot attest. > * If you select to turn off Stroke Paint, the marker dropdowns on the > Stroke style page become inactive, yet the line still shows its > arrowheads. Does not happen to me. Clicking on the X button in Stroke Paint makes both the path and its markers disappear. Can you submit a test case where this happens? > of stroke color, so this is super counter-intuitive. I'd suggest > this: Move the marker dropdowns to their own tab, separate from > Stroke style, and make them not become invalid when the stroke > paint is turned off. No, they really belong together with the rest of stroke settings. Separating them only for the purpose of non-graying is wrong. >It'd be wonderful if you could choose the > marker colors for each marker type on that tab page. Yes we have a bug on that. It's not straightforward (SVG does not do that automatically) but I think we can work around that, e.g. by duplicating a marker def and repainting it to match the stroke color. > * For the 'None' setting in the marker dropdown, perhaps show a stub > line with no marker on it. I think that would distract. "None" needs to really stand out, i.e. be unlike all other items. > * The ordering of the markers in the dropdown seems strange. > Partially they're alphabetized, but it feels like they really ought > to be organized by category. They are categorized, more or less. First arrows, then geometric marks, then miscellanea. Within each type, three sizes are arranged from largerst to smallest (hmmm, maybe reverse that?) Also the markers in the current document come first; we need a separator between them and the stock markers. > * The symbols for DistanceRight and DistanceLeft don't really > illustrate the effect. Also, perhaps these could be called > DimensionLeft and DimensionRight? They're too big to fit into the preview. As for the rename, OK with me. > * The arrow style markers work wrong. The tip of the arrow should be > located at the end node of the line. Instead, the end node is at > the middle of the arrowhead. This means that if you draw a line to > a box, and then put an arrowhead on it, the arrowhead will be > partially *inside* the box. We discussed this with Carl recently. The problem is that if you move the marker so its tip coincides with the tip of the line, you can't get a sharp tip for your arrow because the line will show through at the tip. There's no easy workaround for this, and the sharper is your arrow, the farther back you need to move the line end from the tip of that arrow. > * I half expected to be able to hit the "Convert Object to Path" > button and be able to have the marker converted into node path for > manual editing. No idea if that'd actually be of real value, > though. It's in the bug tracker. > * Since there's a None setting for markers, it feels like there > should similarly be a None setting for Stroke pattern, that'd make > the line go away. I wanted to create an object that consisted only > of mid-markers with no actual line. Yes, I wanted to make such a dasharray, but there is currently a bug in rendering zero-length dashes. When that bug is fixed I will add it to the list. > * Instead of making the dropdowns fit the page width, could they be > sized to match the contents? Also, I notice some of the larger > marker previews are cropped - could the dropdown be sized based on > the size of the largest marker? Then you'll have really huge menus because the distance markers are huge. Obviously all marker previews must be in the same scale, but since some of them are very small and some are large, we need a compromise. The size can be tweaked, but cropping the too large ones is inevitable I think. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Inkscape review
by Bryce Harrington 15 May '04

15 May '04

Hi all, In writing up an article about Inkscape (for LWN hopefully), I took some time to play with a wider variety of features than I normally do, and thought about how new users (like LWN's Grumpy Editor) would approach the tool in general. So I figured I'd share my random thoughts and comments. First let me preface by saying that like everyone else I love the new features and the direction Inkscape's going. It's improved bunches in the months that this project has been active, and it's amazing to realize how much energy has been invested into it. ----- 1. I don't use the software intently enough to have memorized a significant number of the keyboard shortcuts, so I'm still very much a menu-oriented person, so my first comments regard menu items: * The "Text and Font..." dialog was really difficult for me to find; I assumed it'd be under the Object menu and had to look through all the other menus before I found it under Edit. It was also strange that it was at the bottom of the Edit menu instead of at the top, like the property dialogs in the Object menu. * Now, of anyone, I probably know best where the marker settings are, however it really seemed hard to get to. I kept thinking, "Hmm, where's the line properties again? Oh yeah, the Fill dialog box..." I'm not sure how this could be improved but it struck me as counter intuitive. * The right-click context menu needs a *lot* of attention. With the dialog menu being moved to other menus (which is a great improvement), I found that I kept wishing to have various things available from the context menu. * I pulled up the keyboard shortcuts page, and it's great that it's so complete, and of course it's beautiful in SVG. However, I found it very difficult to find stuff in it. There's just sooo much text... I wanted to search the document but of course we don't have a ctrl-f Find or ctrl-s Search command * The Object Properties dialog is very odd to me. It *seems* like for a basic user this would have some very handy and useful things on it for customizing the way my object looks, but when I look at it, it's full of rather esoteric features. What does "printable" mean, for instance? Does this mean it will show up on the screen but not the printer? Also, on the context menu it's called "Item Properties" but pulls up the Object Properties dialog. Weird! I would expect the Object Properties dialog to allow me some sort of way to get to things like text, color, line style, transform, etc. * Shouldn't New Window really be called Duplicate Window or Clone Window or something? I assumed this command would do the same as New. 2. I notice the performance isn't quite as "snappy" as I seem to remember. Perhaps a consequence of fixing bugs? It's not horrible, but noticeable. 3. For the life of me, I've never been able to figure out how to get the inset, outset, and offset commands to work. I'm sure if I studied the tutorial I'd figure it out, or if I've used something like them before in other apps. It "feels" like I should be able to apply it to a path but that doesn't seem to work right. 4. The star tool is set to remember its settings, which seems like a great idea, but it's really weird to start up a fresh Inkscape and click on it and instead of getting a five pointed star, to get whatever shape it was you made the last time you used it. This seems highly inconsistent with the way the rect and circle tools work - they always give you what you see on the icon bar. 5. I think we need to rethinkify the calligraphic tool. I played with it for half an hour to see if I could get something worth putting in the article but didn't like anything I made. Does anyone use this? What is it useful for? 6. The undo system can be kind of quirky. For example, click on the line drawing tool. Draw one line. Start drawing another one but before you end it, hit Ctrl-Z. Instead of the current line going away, the first one you drew disappears. And no amount of undoing/redoing seems to be able to bring it back. 7. I played around with gradients bunches and bunches. I know folks think this could use a lot of improvement, but I found it pretty easy to figure out how to make it work and get good results out of it. Of course, I've been using it for years so probably have too much insider knowledge, but it seemed to do what I needed. 8. Ditto for node editing. 10. Now for comments about markers. :-) I love all the work that's gone into markers. It's awesome to finally see them in play, especially since I know first hand how non-trivial it is to get them to do what we need. I love that finally I can put arrows on lines! But, that said I have lots of comments: * First, as mentioned above, it's really hard to get to the marker settings. I keep expecting to right click on my line and hit, "Marker Properties" or "Arrowheads" or something. * Strangely, when I was doing the article, all the marker previews were of the club symbol. But now for some reason they all work right. Has anyone else noticed this behavior? * If you select to turn off Stroke Paint, the marker dropdowns on the Stroke style page become inactive, yet the line still shows its arrowheads. Of course, the arrowheads are always black regardless of stroke color, so this is super counter-intuitive. I'd suggest this: Move the marker dropdowns to their own tab, separate from Stroke style, and make them not become invalid when the stroke paint is turned off. It'd be wonderful if you could choose the marker colors for each marker type on that tab page. * For the 'None' setting in the marker dropdown, perhaps show a stub line with no marker on it. * The ordering of the markers in the dropdown seems strange. Partially they're alphabetized, but it feels like they really ought to be organized by category. * The symbols for DistanceRight and DistanceLeft don't really illustrate the effect. Also, perhaps these could be called DimensionLeft and DimensionRight? * The arrow style markers work wrong. The tip of the arrow should be located at the end node of the line. Instead, the end node is at the middle of the arrowhead. This means that if you draw a line to a box, and then put an arrowhead on it, the arrowhead will be partially *inside* the box. * I half expected to be able to hit the "Convert Object to Path" button and be able to have the marker converted into node path for manual editing. No idea if that'd actually be of real value, though. * Since there's a None setting for markers, it feels like there should similarly be a None setting for Stroke pattern, that'd make the line go away. I wanted to create an object that consisted only of mid-markers with no actual line. I achieved it by turning the stroke color to none on the other tab, but that didn't seem like the most intuitively obvious way to do it. * Instead of making the dropdowns fit the page width, could they be sized to match the contents? Also, I notice some of the larger marker previews are cropped - could the dropdown be sized based on the size of the largest marker? Anyway, that's that. I know a lot of these things are already in our tracker and todo list, or have very good reasons for being the way they are, but those are my thoughts on it. Oh, and btw, if you'd like a preview of the article, her ya go: http://www.bryceharrington.com/Booleans_article/inkscape_booleans.html I've sent an inquiry to LWN to see if they'd be interested in running it, and plan to have it polished up and published somewhere within a week or so. Bryce

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

>No, I know this can be made to work right because I had it behaving >correctly when I first got marker rendering working. If I recall, >there's an offset parameter that can be used in the <def>. If nobody >else gets around to it before me, I'll fiddle around with it, I don't >think it'll be difficult to fix. Offset just moves your marker relative to the node, just as it is moved now. It won't help with the non-sharp tip problem for arrows. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] list of arrows looks strange (snapshot20040510)
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

> > > ...and one more thing: I can't change the colour of the arrow - the >line > > > colour changes but the arrow stays black. Actually SVG does not require markers to take the color of the stroke automatically. So this is not a compliance bug. But I agree that the stroke paint, when changed, should also apply to the markers. Please file a RFE on that. >The list of arrows in "stroke style" looks strange (snapshot 20040510) - >see the attachment. I can't reproduce that. Anyone else? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

>> * Shouldn't New Window really be called Duplicate Window or Clone >> Window or something? I assumed this command would do the same as >> New. >> >> >New View? It was New Vew before, I renamed it to New Window because that is what it actually does. >Problem here is the SVG spec - the end of the arrow would then always be as >wide as the line. I think we can really only hack around this by allowing >the user to drag the path by the tip of the marker. I'm against that. It would be very hacky, unreliable, and difficult to implement (how would you define "tip of the marker"? It can be an arbitrary shape). _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape review
by bulia byak 15 May '04

15 May '04

>Maybe the Keys and Mouse should be broken into two items > >* Keyboard Shortcuts > >* Mouse Shortcuts No, that would be really unnatural division. If you want to divide it, use the groups defined in it (tools, objects, canvas etc). _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] window layout configurable
by bulia byak 14 May '04

14 May '04

>Let me see if I have this straight. When hitting 'Save As...' the >directory should be: > >1) The directory that it was last saved in Yes, it's stored in sodipodi:docbase attribute >2) The directory that the last save was done in >3) The user's home directory Yes, in that order. >Also, what should export do? I'm thinking that, most of the time, >you'll want to export to the same directory as the file? I think a similar order of preference would be the best: 1. The directory where the file was last exported (this may be stored e.g. in inkscape:export-dir attribute) 2. If it wasn't exported yet, the directory where the file was saved 3. Failing that, home dir _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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[Fwd: <nettime-ann> [event] 19th May: Freestyle - FLOSS In Design]
by Jon Phillips 14 May '04

14 May '04

We are starting to get airtime in art circles. :) Read below for inkscape mention. I met a guy at the pub tonight who had a creative commons shirt on and he new about the new Open Clip Art Library and was so ecstatic to meet someone who is involved in both projects and open content...very interesting... Jon -----Forwarded Message----- > From: matthew fuller <fuller@...353...> > To: nettime-ann@...354... > Subject: <nettime-ann> [event] 19th May: Freestyle - FLOSS In Design > Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 08:05:15 -0500 > > > Freestyle - FLOSS In Design > > A seminar on Free, Libre and Open Source Software in Design > > Over the last few years 'Free Libre and Open Source Software' FLOSS, a > form of collaborative software development has proven itself as a driving > force of digital networks, especially the internet. Now this approach is > beginning to open up new approaches in design and visual culture. This > seminar will present clear information on this software and how it both > challenges and provides new opportunities for media design. > > Art and design work using computers can often get stuck in the use of the > same old tools. One thing that FLOSS does is to allow for new ideas to > become software on a much faster timescale and with less reliance on > conforming to a 'mass' market. Learning design increasingly means > learning to use the applications of a smaller and smaller amount of > companies. FLOSS offers one possibility for escaping such a trap. > > At the same time FLOSS itself could do with a good dose of design. Born > as it is through the energy and imagination of software developers, FLOSS > can in some cases fall behind in meeting the needs of users who aren't > also programmers. On the one hand this creates an important demand for > greater technical literacy amongst users, but it also means that > interfaces to, for instance, cultural practices, need creating. > > The morning session will present an introduction to FLOSS software in > design. The emphasis is on a realistic survey of the possibilities this > way of working is opening up. > > The afternoon will present a number of case studies. Artists and > designers using FLOSS software will show and talk about the tools they > work with, the culture of use of the software. Software developers will > present their projects and open them up to questions and debate. > > Speakers: > Kit Blake - Silva, content management system, Rotterdam; > http://www.infrae.com > > Erik Dooper - Open Source Software Lab, Amsterdam, will demo Scribus, > SodiPodi and Inkscape. DTP and vector graphics applications. > http://www.ossl.org/ > > Rishab Aiyer Ghosh - Economist and editor of FirstMonday, Maastricht; > http://orbiten.org/rishab.html > > Graham Harwood - artist, London, speaking about The GIMP, image > manipulation software; > http://www.scotoma.org/ > > Jaromil - GNU/Linux developer, South Italy, currently resident at > Montevideo, Amsterdam; Dynebolic, > http://www.dyne.org/ > > Willi LeMaitre & Eric Rosenzweig - PlayList, software tools for > collaborative video work; > http://www.w----e.net > > Roger Teeuwen - Graphic Designer, Rotterdam > > Antoine van de Ven - V2_Lab, Rotterdam, presents V2_Jam, research on > combining and integrating open source media software; http://lab.v2.nl > > Wednesday, May 19 | 10.30 - 17.00hrs | V2 Eendrachtstraat 10 | > Rotterdam > Fee for the day: 5euro, 2.50euro concessions > Advance Reservations: Eliane Roest (V2_), (010) 206 72 72, eliane at > v2.nl > > This seminar is jointly held by: > Media Design Research, Piet Zwart Institute http://pzwart.wdka.hro.nl/ > Interactive Media, Hogeschool van Amsterdam http://www.hva.nl/ > V2_Organisation, Institute for the Unstable Media http://www.v2.nl/ > > STREAM: This seminar will be streamed via http://www.v2.nl/live/ > _______________________________________________ > nettime-ann mailing list > nettime-ann@...354... > http://www.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-ann -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] window layout configurable
by Peter Linnell 14 May '04

14 May '04

> Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 01:27:36 -0700 > From: "Ted Gould" <ted@...11...> > To: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] window layout configurable > > > --=-D6IVPrKjlX/peJPMF1l6 > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Thu, 2004-05-13 at 00:17, bulia byak wrote: > > >2. When saving a document, suggest a name like "untitled.svg". > >=20 > > Ted, is this hard to do? > > Okay, I think that this is in CVS right now. Good idea, but I would extend this a bit more, append a -1 and a function to auto-increment the number to the file name for a given session. <snip> > I also changed it so that > the save directory defaults to your home directory instead of the pwd.=20 > I don't know if that is a good thing or not. It is probably more > intuitive for new users - but it is not how other applications work. > > --Ted Err. No. Very bad behavior IMO. Especially with any kind of program which works with images, art or remotely touches DTP. Why? Once you begin working with any kind of editing tool + DTP, directory organization becomes *really* important. One of the most maddening issues some apps on Win2k/Xp is its stubborn insistence on saving everything into "My Documents" instead of staying in the current working directory. This is a MS default btw. I think the MS way is lame but that's another issue. As a test, I tried hacked the win2k registry to make the "My Documents" silliness disappear - you can :-) Similar behavior with GTK apps is my number one complaint with Gnome/GTK in general. Every app defaults to $home with no possibility to set a default anywhere else. I want inkscape SVG's to be opened and saved into $home/Documents/svg or $home/$client/$project where I have artwork, text and other bits. If I open a file in $home/$client/webproject/images its maddening to make 3,4,5 clicks to save a file with revisions under a different name. When working with images and artwork, it is common to save several revisions to the same core file, but saved under a variation in the base file name. Once Inkscape becomes accepted (not long they way you are progressing..)into the pro designers toolkit, cross-platform network awareness is going to be important. I asked Mental on jabber if it would be possible to specify a default directory to save docs, but he mentioned this might pose a coding issue. Fair enough. Maybe GTK 2.4 will help with this. In Scribus, we shamelessly used the Open Office method of making a home button in the file save dialog, which can be directed anywhere in the prefs. It just works TM. Cheers, Peter "Not wanting to sound whiny about his fav SVG app" Linnell

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] window layout configurable
by bulia byak 14 May '04

14 May '04

>Good idea, but I would extend this a bit more, append a -1 and a >function to auto-increment the number to the file name for a given >session. Agree >Err. No. Very bad behavior IMO. Especially with any kind of program >which works with images, art or remotely touches DTP. Why? > >Once you begin working with any kind of editing tool + DTP, directory >organization becomes *really* important. I agree, but there are different scenarios here: 1 You work on some doc, then do Save As. Naturally it should default to the directory where the previous version was saved. 2 You work on some doc, then do ctrl+n, draw another one, and save. Where? I think again, the directory of the previous document is the best choice. (This might be the same as the directory of the previous save, if that document was saved before you do the new one.) 3 You just open up an empty Inkscape, draw something, and save. There are two possibilities: 3a save where the last save was made (even if it was in a previous session) or 3b save to the current dir. I like 3a better, here's why: If I want a document to be saved in a specific dir which is different from the dir of the last save (or was never before saved to), I want to be able to use a different approach: cd to that dir, run "inkscape newfile", get a messagebox saying "newfile.svg not found in /dir/, create?", answer Yes, and have that document created in that dir. This also needs to be implemented, and when we have it, there will remain no reason to offer to save to the current dir ever. 4 If we go with 3a, the absolutely last resort (when there were no previous saves ever) can be the home dir. So, to summarize, I seem to propose to always offer to save into the dir where the last save was done, and failing that, to the home dir, _except_ maybe when you do Save as of a document (then go to that document's dir) or a first save of a document which was Ctrl+N'ed from another one. (These two exceptions may often give the same results as the "save to last save location" method.) Plus implement the "file creation from commandline" logic. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page � FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Help with more grid problems
by bulia byak 14 May '04

14 May '04

> > No, this is wrong. You almost always want to snap to nodes. In the > > rare case that someone actually wants to snap to the bounding box they > > can use stroke to path to convert the shape to a new set of nodes. > > Please, don't start making preferences for everything! > >Personally, I'd be perfectly happy with this. But as soon as someone says >"I myself use bbox snapping" then I'm ok, in this case, with making it >optional. I agree about keeping preferences down where possible. Let me repeat, I do see lots of use for bbox snapping. When you snap a rect's sides to grid at 0mm and 10mm, you expect that rect to be exactly 10mm wide. With node snapping, it's not. So when I'm exporting a 10mm wide png, my rect will be clipped. (I'm sure someone will one day submit this as a bug, if we make node snapping the default.) Also what do I do if I want a row of rects with different stroke widths to all fit into the same width or height? Actually, why argue - why can't we have both node and bbox snapping enabled all the time? I don't see why this won't work. Surely these snappoints will be close enough to each other, but if you do care at all about what you snap, chances are you work at a magnification high enough to distinguish them. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Help with more grid problems
by bulia byak 13 May '04

13 May '04

>Actually, that example you gave opens another similar issue: snapping >correctly on object creation as well as moving / scaling. But I think >that can be made optional using the same UI as for move / scale snapping. Yes. >IMHO, the point of having /only/ node snapping is that you /don't/ have to >work at a high magnification --- the program takes care of doing what you >expect. Then when you look at things in detail you don't get any nasty >surprises. OK, I agree, but then please provide three options: snapping at bbox, nodes, or both. I like to have the "both" option. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page � FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Help with more grid problems
by bulia byak 13 May '04

13 May '04

>No, this is wrong. You almost always want to snap to nodes. I can see valid uses for both kinds of snapping. >they can use stroke to path to convert the shape to a new set of nodes. >Please, don't start making preferences for everything! I see absolutely no problem with Inkscape becoming the most configurable vector editor ever, even if some options are used by 0.001% of users. Besides their direct value of configurability, options also have educational value: if they're logically named and laid out, looking at the preference dialog page instantly gives you a good idea of the program's capabilities. _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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file open/save dialog
by Artemio 13 May '04

13 May '04

Hello! I noticed that if you have several Inkscape instances, and you fire up a file save or open dialogue with one of them, you cannot close those other instances until you close this open/save dialogue. Artemio. -- ArtemioLabs :.: innovative audio laboratories :.: http://artemiolabs.com [local time 14:27:50 (GMT +3) 13 May 2004] [system uptime 1 hr 19 min]

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] window layout configurable
by bulia byak 13 May '04

13 May '04

>1. "File" toolbar which would repeat the File menu. We even have a patch for this in the RFE tracker: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=902331&group_id=93… However the patch has a button size mismatch with the top panel buttons which looks ugly. Also before we make more than one horizontal toolbar, I want these toolbars to be totally configurable by dragging, so I could e.g. position a number of short toolbars in one row. I think someone mentioned that GTK 2.4 has support for this but we don't use it yet. >2. When saving a document, suggest a name like "untitled.svg". Ted, is this hard to do? _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Help with more grid problems
by Carl Hetherington 13 May '04

13 May '04

Hi, My next grid problem is this: 1. Turn the grid on. 2. Draw a 1x1 square on this grid using the pen tool. Note that the nodes of this square are snapped to the grid. 3. Scale this square using the handles and stop when the scale snaps near a size of 2x2. Now that square's nodes are no longer snapped to the grid. AFAICS this is because the scaling makes use of the sp_item_bbox_desktop(), which includes line widths. It suggests to me that the only way to solve this problem is to have a second bounding box function that considers nodal positions only. Then this could (optionally) be used for scaling. Any thoughts? Have I missed something? Thanks Carl

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[Fwd: [Sodipodi-list] feature request / suggestion]
by Jon Phillips 13 May '04

13 May '04

-----Forwarded Message----- > From: organism@...352... > To: sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [Sodipodi-list] feature request / suggestion > Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:25:57 -0700 > > It would be particularly handy to be able to "lock" the length [or other properties] of a segment [vector between nodes]. > > I envision that if a segment's length were locked, then the movement of one end node would result in a circular motion. This would be very, very handy for constructing precision geometric shapes. > > I can also see how the ability to lock the angle defined by two nodes would be handy as well. The movement of one end node in this circumstance would result in "sliding" the node along a precision vector, allowing the expansion in length of a segment without altering it's angle. > > In other news... still hoping for one day: > Text along a path, and > Text defined by box [meaning the box is resized and the text's breaks are automatically redefined to fit]. > > No complaints, though! I use sodipodi for a tremendous amount of things nowadays! > > --gcr > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: SourceForge.net Broadband > Sign-up now for SourceForge Broadband and get the fastest > 6.0/768 connection for only $19.95/mo for the first 3 months! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=2562&alloc_id=6184&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Sodipodi-list mailing list > Sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sodipodi-list -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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file previews?
by Artemio 13 May '04

13 May '04

Hello there! Well, I was thinking that, what if a preview was available in "open file" dialogue? I know you are using a default gtk dialogue. But maybe you can tweak it to have a preview, ala GIMP 2.0? The top 10 feature requester, Artemio. ;-P -- A-Man :.: new music from Artemio :.: http://a-man.artemio.net [local time 14:32:33 (GMT +3) 13 May 2004] [system uptime 1 hr 24 min]

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download page and win32
by Kees Cook 13 May '04

13 May '04

Can we add http://troi.lincom-asg.com/~rjamison/inkscape/builds/ to the "download.php" list of CVS snapshots? (btw: did the 2004-05-09 autobuild under windows blow up?) -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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popt
by Kees Cook 13 May '04

13 May '04

Is popt available in the win32 builds? I was going to make it a requirement for the build (to close bug 948333). -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Grid-related patches committed for comments
by bulia byak 13 May '04

13 May '04

>1. Removed feature where alt-drag provides a "slow drag" when moving >objects. Has anyone ever used this? It was probably supposed to be used for exact positioning, but now exact positioning is much easier to do via pixel-size arrow-key nudges. >2. When moving objects, alt-drag now moves them without snapping, even if >the grid is enabled. I like that. Except that on linux alt-drag often drags the window. A workaround is to start dragging first and press Alt while dragging. >3. When moving objects with the grid enabled, the current behaviour is to >snap the objects "snap points" to the grid. This patch adds an >alternative behaviour on Shift-drag: moved objects are snapped such that >they keep the offset from the grid that they had before the move. I think this might be useful too... but it sounds like something pretty limited. I wonder if we can think up something more generally useful for shift-drag. Or maybe move "snapless drag" from Alt to Shift and leave Alt alone. >4. When you paste an object it is pasted at the same offset from the grid >as the original. Sounds logical. >5. An option in Inkscape preferences to make (3) the default and the >current behaviour happen on Shift-drag. I think we should just decide which way is better (or whether we need this behavior at all). Providing shortcut configurability for only one shortcut is confusing (why not others?). Also, snapless drag also needs to be enabled for node tool, not only selector. As for a bbox/nodes snapping configuration switch, on a second thought I think it might not be necessary. If you want your nodes to snap, you just switch to node tool and do it there. In node tool you can even move the entire object by its nodes - press Ctrl-A to select all nodes and drag any one. The only thing you cannot do in node edit is scaling (although this may become possible in the future, see RFE 910817), but for scaling, you usually want to restrict the overall bbox, so the current selector behavior is appropriate. Am I missing something? _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com

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list of arrows looks strange (snapshot 20040510)
by Artemio 13 May '04

13 May '04

Hello there! The list of arrows in "stroke style" looks strange (snapshot 20040510) - see the attachment. Artemio. -- ArtemioLabs :.: innovative audio laboratories :.: http://artemiolabs.com [local time 19:32:59 (GMT +3) 12 May 2004] [system uptime 1 hr 17 min]

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window layout configurable
by bulia byak 13 May '04

13 May '04

Something I was planning to do since long ago... * The document window layout is completely configurable. Via the View menu commands, you can show or hide menu, top panel, toolbox, rulers, scrollbars, and the statusbar. These settings are saved across sessions, separately for normal and fullscreen modes. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Help with more grid problems
by bulia byak 12 May '04

12 May '04

>Also, on the topic of weird things happening when you resize stroked >boxes, another technical drawing 'mis-feature' worth figuring out a good >alternative solution for is how the stroke width is scaled. Normally >when doing a technical drawing you will want to scale some boxes but >maintain a consistent line width on everything. It would be valuable to >have an option in preferences to control whether stroke width is scaled >with object scaling or not. This is done for as long as 2 days today :) Update your CVS :) (See Transforms tab in the Prefs dialog) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Locale issues and .mo files
by Peter Linnell 12 May '04

12 May '04

Hi, It seems the locale issues Bulia and pjrm were working on last are sorted. Testing current CVS with fr_FR works as expected. Cheers, Peter

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Grid-related patches committed for comments
by Carl Hetherington 12 May '04

12 May '04

Hi, I've committed a couple of patches to the grid behaviour, after discussion with Buila on jabber. If anyone has problems, please say so and I'll fix or back out the patch. 1. Removed feature where alt-drag provides a "slow drag" when moving objects. 2. When moving objects, alt-drag now moves them without snapping, even if the grid is enabled. 3. When moving objects with the grid enabled, the current behaviour is to snap the objects "snap points" to the grid. This patch adds an alternative behaviour on Shift-drag: moved objects are snapped such that they keep the offset from the grid that they had before the move. 4. When you paste an object it is pasted at the same offset from the grid as the original. 5. An option in Inkscape preferences to make (3) the default and the current behaviour happen on Shift-drag. My rationale for (3), in case anyone's interested: It's basically for doing simple line drawings. Draw a simple shape made out of straight lines, some of whose points are snapped to the grid. Now if you move this object around, the bounding box of this object will be snapped, rather than the points themselves. This means that the line position plus its width will be snapped. If you then try to draw another line which joins to the object you've just moved, the new line's points will be snapped. Hence the old object and new line will not meet up, being offset by half the line width. It's possible that this would be better implemented by improving Inkscape's ideas of what "snap points" are, but the end result would be similar. Thanks Carl

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current snapshot is amazing!!! but here are some issues...
by Artemio 12 May '04

12 May '04

Hello there! I just installed the 20040510 snapshot - the things you guys have done with "clone", "inkscape preferences" and stroke style are very cool and useful. Thanks! There are several things I'd like to note though. 1. Look at the snapshot (attached). Some drop-down lists are smaller-sized but the font is still sized as in bigger widgets, and on muy system I can't see the current selected option. 2. Printer command is not yet stored :-( 3. It is the most minor issue, but it looks like Inkscape now closes and opens it's window on startup and on opening new files. It is fairly okay, but this makes a sort of blinking so maybe there's a better way to make this "virgin" tag work instead of killing the previous instance. Or maybe I just don't understand something ;-) Good luck and thanks for your great work! Artemio. -- ArtemioLabs :.: innovative audio laboratories :.: http://artemiolabs.com [local time 16:48:51 (GMT +3) 11 May 2004] [system uptime 43 min]

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AW: [Inkscape-devel] download page and win32
by Taraben, Adib 12 May '04

12 May '04

Yes I can confirm this behaviour. Look at .inkscape\\makefile.mingw It is copied to config.h in the make-proccess. HTH, Adib. ----------------------------------- > > Can someone verify that the windows build is correctly updating > "config.h": the g_ascii_strtod macro isn't being defined in the > autobuilds, it looks like. AFAIK the windows build uses inkscape/config.h.mingw as its config.h. Anything that needs to be in config.h must be added here, I think. Carl

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AW: [Inkscape-devel] Looking for icons
by Taraben, Adib 12 May '04

12 May '04

The icons are located in the icons.svg file. Each single icon is in his own group. This is the original source of the separate icon files. HTH, Adib. ________________________________ Von: inkscape-devel-admin(a)lists.sourceforge.net im Auftrag von Cédric GEMY Gesendet: Mi 12.05.2004 12:38 An: Inkscape devel list Betreff: [Inkscape-devel] Looking for icons I've taken the icons dir of Inkscape, but I'm surprise not to find the uptodate ones. I need them to update the manual from Sodipodi to Inkscape. Where can I find them. May be bulya has some ? Cedric ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Sleepycat Software Learn developer strategies Cisco, Motorola, Ericsson & Lucent use to deliver higher performing products faster, at low TCO. http://www.sleepycat.com/telcomwpreg.php?From=dnemail3 _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Looking for icons
by Cédric GEMY 12 May '04

12 May '04

I've taken the icons dir of Inkscape, but I'm surprise not to find the uptodate ones. I need them to update the manual from Sodipodi to Inkscape. Where can I find them. May be bulya has some ? Cedric

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export selection in 20040510 snapshot
by Artemio 12 May '04

12 May '04

Hi everybody! "Export selection" in the 20040510 snapshot always exports the whole page anyway. Artemio. -- A-Man :.: new music from Artemio :.: http://a-man.artemio.net [local time 12:33:13 (GMT +3) 12 May 2004] [system uptime 4 hr 28 min]

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AW: [Inkscape-devel] popt
by Taraben, Adib 12 May '04

12 May '04

There is a popt lib on sourceforge for the gcc on http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/popt.htm never tried Adib. ________________________________ Von: inkscape-devel-admin(a)lists.sourceforge.net im Auftrag von Kees Cook Gesendet: Mi 12.05.2004 00:42 An: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net Betreff: [Inkscape-devel] popt Is popt available in the win32 builds? I was going to make it a requirement for the build (to close bug 948333). -- Kees Cook @outflux.net ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Sleepycat Software Learn developer strategies Cisco, Motorola, Ericsson & Lucent use to deliver higher performing products faster, at low TCO. http://www.sleepycat.com/telcomwpreg.php?From=osdnemail3 _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] bad transparency export
by bulia byak 11 May '04

11 May '04

>I'm using the build from 6th of May... and the export of gradient with >transparency is somewhat messed up when you make excessive use of it... >it works fine, if you have a background color to export. >picture one is with white as bg color exported, picture two is with the >background filled in gimp. >Does anybody have the same problem or can reproduce it? I do not see any attachments in your mail. Please submit a bug report with your samples. I just tried exporting gradients with transparency and don't see any problems. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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bad transparency export
by David Christian Berg 11 May '04

11 May '04

Hi guys, I'm using the build from 6th of May... and the export of gradient with transparency is somewhat messed up when you make excessive use of it... it works fine, if you have a background color to export. picture one is with white as bg color exported, picture two is with the background filled in gimp. Does anybody have the same problem or can reproduce it? David -- Otto von Bismarck once remarked: “A fool learns from his experience. A wise person learns from the experience of others.” If so, how to define President George W. Bush, who is not even able to learn from his own experience?

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bitmap fill patch
by bulia byak 10 May '04

10 May '04

Simarilius, I finally reviewed your pattern fill patch. It works :) - Why does it only work for bitmaps? AFAIK the mechanism is pretty similar for fills out of SVG objects, so why not enable them as well. - I would expect it to show me the bitmaps imported into the document in the list as well, not only those i specifically import from the dialog. - Most importantly, there's no way to adjust the position of the bitmap inside a path. Ideally I would like to see on-canvas handles that would let me to arbitrarily move, scale, rotate, and skew the fill inside the path, but for the patch to be usable, _at least_ move must be implemented. You may try to create an arena in the dialog, similar to those in the gradient tabs, that would show the bbox rect of the object and a draggable handle that positions the fill's top left corner (you can steal most of the code from gradient tabs). - A related bug that must be fixed: objects that write transforms with optimization, such as path, do not update the position of the fill. So that looks like you're moving a window into an unmoving wall of repeating bitmap tiles. Non-optimizing objects (ellipse) work as expected, transforming their fill with them. Better yet, it would be nice to have a switch that would allow me to enable any of these two behaviors for any object. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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unable to open files
by David Christian Berg 10 May '04

10 May '04

with todays build I can't open files... instead they are always linked as images in a new document. this sucks David

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] crazy idea: map ourselves
by bulia byak 10 May '04

10 May '04

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] crazy idea: map ourselves
by Lucas Vieites 10 May '04

10 May '04

El lun, 10-05-2004 a las 08:09, Kees Cook escribió: [...] > appearing on such a thing send me their long/lat (or an address I can go > convert). I think it would be cool to see an "about" screen (or even a > "users of inkscape" map) that shows what a diverse set of places we come > from. Reserve me a square yard at: 42º 30' N 8º 04' W -- Lucas Vieites Fariña Asix Informática <info@...212...> http://www.asixinformatica.com/ Tel/Fax: +34 986 54 26 98

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NRArenaShape and SPStyle
by MenTaLguY 10 May '04

10 May '04

Just a quick heads up that I'm working on removing the SPStyle dependency from NRArenaShape. This should permit a cleaner separation between the renderer and the SPItem layer, as well as making future style cleanups much easier... -mental

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RE: typeset
by bulia byak 09 May '04

09 May '04

>dx/dy and letterspacing are not the way i intend to >store glyph coordinates in the layout; x/y attributes >are. Why? The most likely failure scenario is that the font used originally is not found or has different metrics. In this case, using letter/word spacing will result in wrong line lengths, but the text itself will remain readable. Using x/y will _almost_ (but not quite, due to the last letter) preserve line lengths, but may render text ugly or even completely unreadable, with letters overlapping each other etc. I think the first case (wrong line lengths) is much preferable to the second. Besides, line/word spacing settings per line take much less space in the source file. this is just a preliminary test to see if >something is badly fucked up. note that on this >sample, inkscape screws up somewhere in the advance of >glyphs, since it ends with a total length smaller than >what pango computes, hence the letterspacing (ie. the >dx attribute) doesn't compensate fully and the right >of the text is not the right of the text shape > > > 4 Currently your sample works in Batik, but crashes > > Inkscape on load :) > >i'm a 'printf debugger', so this is normal output. but >it works fine here. maybe some messing up with >deleting the children of the group or something like >that. also note that inkscape will not render the text >correctly when loading, because it can't get the >shape's curve (since the element it queries for the >shape is initialized after it), but as soon as you >change the shape, it will layout the text (in the >shape before the change, so this is still fucked up, >but hopefully i'll find a way around) > > > > > > >Vous manquez d�espace pour stocker vos mails ? >Yahoo! Mail : 6 Mo gratuits ! >Cr�ez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ > >Dialoguez en direct avec vos amis gr�ce � Yahoo! Messenger !T�l�chargez >Yahoo! Messenger sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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wow, this is amazing!
by Artemio 09 May '04

09 May '04

Hello guys! Bryce is so fast! ;-) -> http://inkscape.org/screenshots/examples/web_design/ <- Thanks so much! I'm so proud of myself ;-) You inspired me to send you more shots!!! ;-) I hope to send you shots for lilija.com.ua tomorrow!!! THANKS!!!! Artemio. -- KDEvibes :.: audio environment for KDE :.: http://kdevibes.artemio.net [local time 22:36:16 (GMT +3) 9 May 2004] [system uptime 14 min]

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RE: typeset
by bulia byak 09 May '04

09 May '04

Fred, Now that I see your sample, it's truly grand. Something like that we were contemplating with njh some time ago, but it seemed like a long time away :) A few points: 1 Why don't you use standard URIs for linking the typeset group with its shape? i.e. instead of non-standard inkscape:dstShape="[rect1525]" I propose inkscape:dstShape="#rect1525" which will allow you to use the standard URIReference class. 2 You use dx for spacing the line, but since all dx values are the same, it's much easier to add a letter-spacing property, e.g.: style="font-family:Luxi Sans;font-size:12.000000;letter-spacing:0.345123" That will work out of the box. Still better would be using word-spacing for small stretches, and add some letter-spacing when stretch becomes too large (with user-settable threshold). The word-spacing property is not yet supported, but it's easy to add it - just let me know and I'll implement it. 3 When all dy values are 0, you don't need to set the dy vector at all. 4 Currently your sample works in Batik, but crashes Inkscape on load :) typeset 82e0910: n src= The Digital Millennium Copyright Act, better known as the DMCA, is a travesty of law. The act (summary available here in PDF form) was passed in 1998 and since this period of time it has been used in the most egregious ways to shut down Fair Use and competition in the marketplace. From being used to justify illegal subpoenas, to making reverse engineering easily preventable, to shutting down toner cartridge competition, to killing off Fair Use, the law is a major blow to consumer interests. While some uses of the DMCA have met stiff rebuttals from the judiciary (e.g., Lexmark toner ploy was defeated for now), the law remains in need of revocation or serious reworking. Here's the beef: ditch typeset 82e0910: n shape dst= [rect1525] ** (inkscape:20246): CRITICAL **: file desktop-handles.cpp: line 40 (SPDocument* sp_desktop_document(SPDesktop*)): assertion `desktop != NULL' failed ** ERROR **: file document-undo.cpp: line 77 (void sp_document_maybe_done(SPDocument*, const gchar*)): assertion failed: (doc != NULL) aborting... _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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"ugly icons" problem
by Kees Cook 09 May '04

09 May '04

Well! It looks like g_ascii_strtod is NOT totally locale safe! What a shame. Here are the reports from my debugging of src/svg/svg-affine.cpp, sp_svg_transform_read: Under "C" locale: took 1 chars from '1,0,0,0.999999,4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 1.000000 took 1 chars from '0,0,0.999999,4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 0.000000 took 1 chars from '0,0.999999,4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 0.000000 took 8 chars from '0.999999,4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 0.999999 took 11 chars from '4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 0.000000 took 12 chars from '-1.09524e-06)' to make -0.000001 Under "fr_FR" locale: took 3 chars from '1,0,0,0.999999,4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 1,000000 took 3 chars from '0,0.999999,4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 0,000000 took 7 chars from '.999999,4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 0,999999 took 11 chars from '4.42378e-08,-1.09524e-06)' to make 0,000000 took 12 chars from '-1.09524e-06)' to make -0,000001 Yuck! (And it works correctly under "LANG=fr_FR LC_NUMERIC=C", further proving it to be locale-sensitive.) And, checking the most recent CVS of gstrfuncs.c in the gnome cvs: * glib/gstrfuncs.c (g_ascii_strtod): Fix problems when a locale-specific decimal separator directly follows a number. (#138424, Nickolay V. Shmyrev) -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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bitmap fill patch
by bulia byak 09 May '04

09 May '04

Simarilius, I finally reviewed your pattern fill patch. It works :) - Why does it only work for bitmaps? AFAIK the mechanism is pretty similar for fills out of SVG objects, so why not enable them as well. - I would expect it to show me the bitmaps imported into the document in the list as well, not only those i specifically import from the dialog. - Most importantly, there's no way to adjust the position of the bitmap inside a path. Ideally I would like to see on-canvas handles that would let me to arbitrarily move, scale, rotate, and skew the fill inside the path, but for the patch to be usable, _at least_ move must be implemented. You may try to create an arena in the dialog, similar to those in the gradient tabs, that would show the bbox rect of the object and a draggable handle that positions the fill's top left corner (you can steal most of the code from gradient tabs). - A related bug that must be fixed: objects that write transforms with optimization, such as path, do not update the position of the fill. So that looks like you're moving a window into an unmoving wall of repeating bitmap tiles. Non-optimizing objects (ellipse) work as expected, transforming their fill with them. Better yet, it would be nice to have a switch that would allow me to enable any of these two behaviors for any object. _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] unable to open files
by bulia byak 08 May '04

08 May '04

>So basically I'm stuck with two versions of inkscape that aren't working >for me, right now... I just installed the latest debian-package, >.38.1-something, and it crashes on me everytime, I try to open the "fill >and stroke" dialog :( Bug reports with complete details and backtraces would be appreciated. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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can't save document bg colour changes
by Artemio 08 May '04

08 May '04

Hello all! If I open an SVG file, then modify the document bg colour, and press Ctrl+S, I get that "No changes need to be saved". So in order to change the bg and save the file, I have to move some object back and forth and then Inkscape saves everything well as "there are changes needed to be saved" ;-) So the obvious solution would probably be to toggle the "modified" status on document bg colour change. Artemio. -- A-Man :.: new music from Artemio :.: http://a-man.artemio.net [local time 19:34:57 (GMT +3) 7 May 2004] [system uptime 2 hr 33 min]

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] unable to open files
by bulia byak 08 May '04

08 May '04

>The program 'inkscape' received an X Window System error. I recently got this error when it was trying to display a dasharray with too small dashes and failed. Try removing/renaming your ~/.inkscape/preferences.xml and run it again. Also this error is fixed in CVS since yesterday, update to the latest CVS and try again. I assume this refers to the error where it crashes displaying the Fill&Stroke dialog. Your error with opening files is still a mystery. Please provide more information. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] remaining locale problems?
by bulia byak 08 May '04

08 May '04

>Oops. I (think I have) sent a few screenshots to the list some time >ago. Did anyone receive that attachment? The list was being malfunctioning recently. >I will build from CVS and file a bug report now (if still needed). >Speaking of locale stuff, there's one more thing: are tutorial file >names >localizable now? Not too long ago they seemed to not be. This is likely a regression caused by converting tutorial commands to verbs. Kees should look into it, as it was his change. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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vector graphics + M$
by Jon Phillips 08 May '04

08 May '04

Hello all, I wondered if you all checked out this: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6978 Talk about the new MS vector graphics system and new windowing. You can see how SVG will be pushed around in the future. All the more reason to push SVG and Inkscape between now and before AVALON and the new WINDOWS is released. This adds new urgency to the cause. Man, why can't M$ just go along with some open standards! Arg!!! Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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remaining locale problems?
by bulia byak 07 May '04

07 May '04

Hi Arpad, I seem to have missed your mail with screenshots of the remaining locale-related problems. Once again: if you don't get a response on the list soon, _please_ submit a bug report with all the relevant info. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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example Inkscape works
by Artemio 07 May '04

07 May '04

Hello there! Once again I must admit how happy I am to use Inkscape - it has become no. 1 application that I use - see the attachment if you need proof ;-) Here is the list of example sites created by me, that use graphics by Inkscape. http://artemio.net My home site. The interface has actually been drawn in sodipodi (as I didn't know about Inkscape when I was creating thisone), but the rest (the icons on the main page etc.) is all by Inkscape. http://artemiolabs.com My audio laboratory site. 100% Inkscape. http://lilija.com.ua (in Russian) The site of a florictic shop where my sister works. 100% Inkscape. Note: all images were cut and JPEG'd with the GIMP (you guessed). Also, you guys mentioned that we, the users, can send you the screenshots of how we use Inkscape? I think it would be nice if, for example, you create a page on your site with a screnshot showing Inkscape at work and the web site that uses these graphics. If you need such a thing - just tell me. Thanks again for the best graphic editor ever and happy development! Artemio. -- A-Man :.: new music from Artemio :.: http://a-man.artemio.net [local time 18:31:08 (GMT +3) 7 May 2004] [system uptime 1 hr 30 min]

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Re: Inkscape-devel digest, Vol 1 #369 - 7 msgs
by Danni Coy 07 May '04

07 May '04

On Wednesday 05 May 2004 03:03, inkscape-devel-request(a)lists.sourceforge.net wrote: > How would you accomplish this in a way that would be intuitive, yet not > easy to do accidentally? If I read right, you're tired of Shift Clicking 2 > Objects and then using Union? I'm not sure how you would accomplish this in > a way that's not going to be frustrating for someone who might do it > unintentionally. > > Explain further? Why don't you submit a patch so we can play around with > it? > > Dan Ostrowski Yup... Basically I am thinking at this stage that an a new Context be created (Composite tool). By default a small circle would be created. When a drag action is happening there would be a reasonably lange yellow border around it to indicate that it is not a normal shape. Shapes droped into the Yellow zone would Union with the shape or subtract if a modifier key was pressed inside the drop zone. -- If you're going to America, bring your own food. -- Fran Lebowitz, "Social Studies"

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] prefix.cpp pthreads dependency
by MenTaLguY 06 May '04

06 May '04

On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 06:54, John Cliff wrote: > I fixed my build by dling the win32 pthreads from here > http://sources.redhat.com/pthreads-win32/ > > dont know if the added dep is worth it for the windows > build or not but it gets it building again :) I think I'd rather not include the pthreads stuff for long if we can help it -- I'm worried it could conflict with glib's windows threads wrapper at some point. -mental

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marker news
by bulia byak 06 May '04

06 May '04

I fixed marker previews. Now all markers (no matter where they come from, i.e. both from the current document and from markers.svg) are automatically shown with their icons in the start/mid/end menus in the Fill&Stroke dialog. No need to provide a preview object in markers.svg; that file needs only contain the markers themselves in <defs>. Simarilius wrote a small tutorial on how to create new markers. It's in share/tutorials/making_markers.svg. It's not in the menu because it's supposed to be temporary until we have a GUI facility for doing the same in a convenient way. I also tweaked markers.svg: provided 3 coordinated sizes for most useful markers, removed some not-so-useful ones, and generally cleaned them up. I would add more markers, but the menus become difficult to handle when they grow too long. What we need instead is a palette-like widget where marker icons can be shown in several rows/columns. _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Bliss: A nice article on-line about Inkscape and friends
by Peter Linnell 06 May '04

06 May '04

Hi all, Just a quick note with a link about an article why FLOSS coder code: http://niyam.com/gnulinux/lfy/fy/FY-monthly-col.php?article_body=FYmay2k4.h… Very well written in my opinion, by an ex Editor of PC World and well-known tech writer in India. Enjoy, Peter

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removal of private-fonts and libarikkei
by MenTaLguY 06 May '04

06 May '04

Just a heads-up that I've removed the "private-fonts" private font installation facility. Anyone who had needed it in the past it will probably find their system's native font management facilities easier and more flexible at this point. Fontconfig has brought unix font management a long, long way. Also of note, libarikkei has been removed from the tree as it is no longer used. -mental

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] [patch] Fix the relocatable build
by bulia byak 05 May '04

05 May '04

>Having said that, you now have to remember that you can't use the C >preprocessor to build paths anymore. Here is a patch to fix the CVS >relocatable build. Thanks, applied. Please always put patches to the tracker, for they can be easily lost in the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] removal of nr_arena_item_new()
by bulia byak 05 May '04

05 May '04

> > I removed nr_arena_item_new() today and replaced it with calls to > > NRArenaWhatever::clear() static members. Now opening any file with text crashes with multiple asserts: File display/nr-arena-glyphs.cpp line 761 (?): Assertion NR_IS_ARENA_GLYPHS_GROUP (gg) failed File libnr/nr-object.cpp line 55 (?): Assertion nr_type_is_a (((NRObject *) ip)->klass->type, tc) failed Mental, please do not commit changes without doing at least basic "runs and loads" type tests. One thing which would be very easy for you to do is to collect a number of various files (including tutorials, keys.svg, etc) in a directory and, when you're about to commit, run "inkscape *" in that directory to make sure it loads them OK. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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compiling problem
by David Christian Berg 04 May '04

04 May '04

Probably I'm just missing some sort of libary or something, but I can't tell. Can anyone tell me, how to fix this problem (see below), without manually copying those files? Thanx in advance David ./autogen.sh --------------------------------------------------------------------- I am testing that you have the required versions of libtool, autoconf, automake, glib-gettextize and intltoolize. This test is not foolproof, so if anything goes wrong, see the file HACKING for more information... checking for autoconf >= 2.52 ... yes (version 2.59) checking for automake >= 1.7 ... yes (version 1.7.9) checking for glib-gettextize >= 2.0.0 ... yes (version 2.4.1) checking for intltool >= 0.17 ... yes (version 0.30) configure.in: installing `./install-sh' configure.in: installing `./mkinstalldirs' configure.in: installing `./missing' configure.in:5: installing `./config.guess' configure.in:5: installing `./config.sub' Makefile.am: installing `./INSTALL' configure.in:25: required file `./ltmain.sh' not found src/Makefile.am: installing `./depcomp' libtoolize: copying file `./config.guess' libtoolize: copying file `./config.sub' libtoolize: copying file `./ltmain.sh' libtoolize: copying file `./ltoptions.m4' libtoolize: copying file `./ltsugar.m4' libtoolize: copying file `./ltversion.m4' libtoolize: copying file `./libtool.m4' Copying file po/Makefile.in.in Please add the files codeset.m4 gettext.m4 glibc21.m4 iconv.m4 isc-posix.m4 lcmessage.m4 progtest.m4 from the /usr/share/aclocal directory to your autoconf macro directory or directly to your aclocal.m4 file. You will also need config.guess and config.sub, which you can get from ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/config/. patching file po/Makefile.in.in ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- and for make: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- make[2]: *** [inkscape] Error 63 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/david/develop/inkscape-20040503/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/david/develop/inkscape-20040503' make: *** [all] Error 2

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Further Ideas for the UI
by Danni Coy 04 May '04

04 May '04

Just something that popped into my head over night. Basically I am thinking of a way of creating composite shapes by dragging other shapes onto a receptive shape. The default action would be Union, but Intersection and Difference should should be available through modifier keys. The internal representation would be non destructive until convert to curves is used. NODE_EDIT mode would allow the component objects to be edited. Also is anybody working on Layers or an Object Manager. -- I must get out of these wet clothes and into a dry Martini. -- Alexander Woolcott

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Greetings [Small Changes - were to submit]
by Danni Coy 03 May '04

03 May '04

I have added a few behaviours to Inkscape (basically workflow speedups): 1) In SELECT mode double clicking on an object brings that object into NODE_EDIT mode. 2) In NODE_EDIT mode double clicking on anything but a knot changes to SELECT MODE 3) Double clicking on a knot in NODE_EDIT mode deletes that knot. Behaviours I plan to add: 1) Double clicking on line segment between to knots adds a point where clicked. 2) CTRL + SPACEBAR + DRAG OBJECT creates duplicate of object in new location. 3) ALT + SPACEBAR + DRAG OBJECT creates a clone of object in new location. Anyway I was wondering how to submit the changes I have made. Thanks Danni

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Re: inkscape 0.38.1 patch
by Bryce Harrington 03 May '04

03 May '04

Thanks Tomasz, this sounds very cool, and something many have needed. I've posted it to the Inkscape patch tracker. In the future please feel free to post there directly; the developers check it often. :-) http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=93438&atid=604308 Someone will test out the patch and add it to the codebase soon, or provide some feedback to you if they have questions. Bryce On Mon, 3 May 2004, Tomasz Maka wrote: > > Hello, > > I have written a patch for inkscape 0.38.1 for different > paper sizes (30 schemes) and orientation (portrait, landscape). > > grab it here: > > http://clay.ll.pl/repository/inkscape-0.38.1-paper_size_orientation.gz > > Hope you like it... > > > greets, > tomek > >

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Greetings [Small Changes - were to submit]
by bulia byak 03 May '04

03 May '04

>I have added a few behaviours to Inkscape (basically workflow speedups): >1) In SELECT mode double clicking on an object brings that object into >NODE_EDIT mode. >2) In NODE_EDIT mode double clicking on anything but a knot changes to >SELECT >MODE Fine with me. I think that makes sense. >3) Double clicking on a knot in NODE_EDIT mode deletes that knot. What's wrong with the current ctrl+click that does the same? >Behaviours I plan to add: >1) Double clicking on line segment between to knots adds a point where >clicked. I would prefer that to also be ctrl+click so that its meaning would be "toggle node on/off". However it's not too straightforward algorithmically. We have had plans to add this for a long time, but currently the plan is to switch the nodepaths to a new representation (being worked on by njh and fred) and then add some advanced functions such as adding node in arbitrary position and dragging a bezier by any point on the curve. If you can do any of this right now, of course, it would be great. >2) CTRL + SPACEBAR + DRAG OBJECT creates duplicate of object in new >location. >3) ALT + SPACEBAR + DRAG OBJECT creates a clone of object in new location. Why not just spacebar for copy (as now) and alt-spacebar for clone? >Anyway I was wondering how to submit the changes I have made. Please submit a patch to the tracker. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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vector aesthetics
by Jon Phillips 03 May '04

03 May '04

Hello all, I've been working on a writing for a little while about what I'm calling "vector aesthetics," which is a feature-based look at vector graphics and design styles that are influenced by vector graphics. I'm trying to get some eyes on the writing and some edits/fixes from these lovely knowledgeable communities. http://cvsbook.ucsd.edu/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?VectorAesthetics I'm trying to develop a large picture view of SVG, Flash, why SVG is important and how the art/aesthetics of SVG relates and is defined. The final text will be included in a book I'm trying to get published (in the future). Read more here: http://cvsbook.ucsd.edu/cgi-bin/wiki.pl if interested. There are various sections in the writing which are important for our communities to understand/look-at and is one of the reasons why I have been working on these texts, as I think we need to zoom out and look at the big picture of what we are working on, SVG, INKSCAPE, Clipart, and OSS, and see where it is at in the aesthetic and technical landscapes. Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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prefix.cpp pthreads dependency
by MenTaLguY 03 May '04

03 May '04

prefix.cpp introduced a pthreads dependency that is breaking us on Win32... Any suggestions on how to proceed? I do think we ought to be able to use it in a threadsafe configuration, but it should be using the Glib threading wrappers for portability. -mental

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Status May 2, 2004
by Bryce Harrington 03 May '04

03 May '04

Statistics Nov 15 Jan 15 Mar 15 Apr 15 May 1 ========== ====== ====== ====== ====== ====== Lifetime Rank on SourceForge: 4391 1928 * 1164 1161 (68.5%) (86.1%) * (91.7%) (91.7%) Max Week's Rank on SourceForge: 62 321 90 31 23 (99.6%) (97.5%) * (99.8%) (99.9%) Total SF Page Views * 126,500 * 330,000 410,000 Total SF Downloads * 5,735 * 17,250 23,000 Total Freshmeat URL Hits 746 2,958 4,670 6,000 6,500 Total Freshmeat Subscriptions 16 33 50 70 72 Lines of Code in src/: 115,901 166,914 177,286 183,694 180,748 Code lines 133,150 138,457 143,662 140,914 Comment line 12,468 15,584 16,041 16,099 Blank 21,929 24,061 24,931 24,667 Lines of Docs in doc/: 1,135 3,000 4,434 4,540 4,540 Lines of content in website: 1,173 2,885 5,087 5,414 5,685 Size of the Inkscape wiki: 3,700 11,284 14,840 15,461 18,549 Minutes since last ChangeLog mod: 360 6 0 11 540 Bugs open/total: 9/15 74/160 43/244 47/322 58/346 Features open/total: 18/18 104/120 151/184 173/213 179/223 Patches open/total: 1/ 6 4/32 6/ 45 5/ 72 4/ 78 CVS Commits (as per inkscape-cvs): 481 * 3070 3710 3391 Inkscape-devel membership: 49 64 75 77 78 Inkscape-announce membership: 9 22 35 41 41 Inkscape-user membership: 60 * - Statistics unavailable

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] statusbar API
by bulia byak 03 May '04

03 May '04

>I think what I want to do initially is have SPView provide two "virtual" >methods (we'll need to use the GObject vtable for now rather than real >virtual methods): > > StatusMessageID SPView::postStatusMessage(StatusMessageType type, bool >flash, gchar const *message); > > void SPView::cancelStatusMessage(StatusMessageID id); > >StatusType would be an enum indicating the "style" of the message -- >warnings might get a little warning icon next to them, etc... > >postStatusMessage returns an id which can be later used to cancel the >status message with cancelStatusMessage. I.e. that is different from the current system in that you added a style param and use an id to cancel messages. I don't see any problems with that, except that I don't see much use for the style param currently, and I also want to preserve the current pop function (popping whatever is at the top of the stack without an id) as well, because in many situations (such as dragging or navigating in menu) there's really no need to fiddle with ids. That would be extra work for no extra benefit, for in these cases nothing can conceivable overlay the message that you just pushed up. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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statusbar API cont'd
by MenTaLguY 03 May '04

03 May '04

Okay, here's the second half of my thinking on the statusbar stuff. Basically, a class that looks something like this: class StatusMessageContext { public: StatusBarContext(SPView *view) : _view(view), _message_id(NULL_MESSAGE_ID) { g_object_ref(G_OBJECT(_view)); } ~StatusBarContext() { cancel(); g_object_unref(G_OBJECT(_view)); } void post(StatusMessageType type, gchar const *message) { cancel(); _message_id = _view->postStatusMessage(type, false, message); } void flash(StatusMessageType type, gchar const *message) { _view->postStatusMessage(type, true, message); } void cancel() { if (_message_id) { _view->cancelStatusMessage(_message_id); _message_id = NULL_MESSAGE_ID; } } void postF(StatusMessageType type, gchar const *format, ...) { ... etc ... } void flashF(StatusMessageType type, gchar const *format, ...) { ... etc ... } private: SPView *_view; StatusMessageID _message_id; }; The idea being that everybody can have their own StatusMessageContext (e.g. a SPSelectContext has one, and a seltrans has one, etc..). Then they can simply pretend they have the statusbar all to themselves, but it will do the right thing for all concerned behind the scenes. Comments? -mental

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RE: [Inkscape-user] ~/.inkscape/private-fonts
by bulia byak 03 May '04

03 May '04

>Now that we're using Gtk2, "normal" font installation is easy even on >Unix (put your fonts in ~/.fonts). > >Would anyone object if we removed support for the "private-fonts" file? >I don't think we have a need to maintain our own font >installation/management mechanism anymore. No problem for me. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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~/.inkscape/private-fonts
by MenTaLguY 02 May '04

02 May '04

Now that we're using Gtk2, "normal" font installation is easy even on Unix (put your fonts in ~/.fonts). Would anyone object if we removed support for the "private-fonts" file? I don't think we have a need to maintain our own font installation/management mechanism anymore. -mental

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removal of nr_arena_item_new()
by MenTaLguY 02 May '04

02 May '04

I removed nr_arena_item_new() today and replaced it with calls to NRArenaWhatever::clear() static members. That should clear the field for you to do some more C++ification work there. -mental

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statusbar API
by MenTaLguY 02 May '04

02 May '04

I've been thinking about your suggestions re: the statusbar stuff... I think what I want to do initially is have SPView provide two "virtual" methods (we'll need to use the GObject vtable for now rather than real virtual methods): StatusMessageID SPView::postStatusMessage(StatusMessageType type, bool flash, gchar const *message); void SPView::cancelStatusMessage(StatusMessageID id); StatusType would be an enum indicating the "style" of the message -- warnings might get a little warning icon next to them, etc... postStatusMessage returns an id which can be later used to cancel the status message with cancelStatusMessage. If 'flash' is true, the message is automatically cancelled after a period of time. Cancelling an already cancelled message does no harm. These two methods will be the building blocks on top of which a "friendlier" (e.g. printf formatting and other amenities) API would be built. But details on that will have to wait for later tonight. -mental

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Wiki
by Arpad Biro 02 May '04

02 May '04

Hi, It seems someone has put some inappropriate stuff into the Inkscape Wiki: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiSyntax Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

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Tidbits
by Peter Linnell 30 Apr '04

30 Apr '04

Hi all, Just some quick notes (hopefully) of interest: I have sucessfully compiled the last few days of cvs with the final release of GCC 3.4. The code clean-up by mental and others has resulted in much faster compiling and far fewer warnings - even with -Wall switched on. CGG 3.4 seems faster compiling c++ code, but is much more strict about c++ code. I have updated the wiki wrt Interoperability. Discussed on jabber is: Possibility of harmonizing some keyboard short cuts. Color sets - Scribus now has four. Cheers, Peter

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by bulia byak 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

>OK, the difference between the 2004-04-10 05:00 (good) and the >2004-04-10 06:00 (bad) versions are in inkscape.cpp and in main.cpp. >Downgrading inkscape.cpp in the 06 tree to the 05 version does not >solve the problem, but downgrading main.cpp DOES. I just replaced all atof() and strtod() with g_ascii_strtod() which is locale independent. Please try the CVS and see if this fixes your problem (Arpad, you have the developer access and thus can check the up-to-the-minute CVS, others will have to wait until tomorrow because anon CVS lags behind). _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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[patch] Put description in .desktop file
by Mike Hearn 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

Hi, Yes there is no specific standard for this, but the general consensus seems to be "Name Description" for non-core desktop apps. Index: inkscape.desktop.in =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/inkscape.desktop.in,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 inkscape.desktop.in --- inkscape.desktop.in 16 Nov 2003 23:16:13 -0000 1.2 +++ inkscape.desktop.in 28 Apr 2004 21:17:28 -0000 @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ [Desktop Entry] -_Name=Inkscape +_Name=Inkscape SVG Vector Illustrator _Comment=SVG Vector Illustrator Encoding=UTF-8

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Tutorials translated to french
by Cédric GEMY 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

I've just translated Bulia's tutorials to french. they are available at http://www.le-radar.com/mm/sodipodi/xml/tutorial-basic_fr.svg http://www.le-radar.com/mm/sodipodi/xml/tutorial-advanced_fr.svg May be these could be put on CVS by right owner. AND, Since de manual I made was writtent for Sodipodi and that it is a quite old now (because Inkscape is improving very fast), I aim to update it in the following weeks. I also would like to improve english translation of this future manual. Help would be welcome. I'll tell more about the way I see that in the next days. May be People with Ideas can telle there wishes before the beginning of the update work period. Cheers Cedric

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] win32. Print seems to be broken
by bulia byak 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

>Hmmm, any more info on this. Can you get a stack trace or something >similar? There has been a few changes, notably the adding of extension >properties into the print subsystem. I think that is the biggest change >there, so I'm a touch concerned. Let me suggest a few guidelines for users on how to report bugs: If the bug you report to the list is not fixed promptly, this may mean developers cannot reproduce it, or cannot understand your description, or are simply too busy with other things. Be persistent. As the original reporter, you are the person most interested in fixing it, so if your first report had no effect, you must not let it drop. There are many things you can do to push your bug closer to fixing: 1. Submit the bug to the tracker. Don't wait for someone else to do it. It's important, otherwise your report will be quickly forgotten. (But check the tracker first, your bug may be already there.) 2. Submit complete information: version, platform, locale, steps to reproduce, sample file(s), screenshots. 3. If this is a crash, it's important to submit a backtrace. Use gdb to get a backtrace by running gdb <path to inkscape executable> and then from within gdb run <parameters> When the program crashes, type at the gdb prompt bt and send us the output. All of this can be done on Windows too, the Windows binary of gdb is available from http://www.mingw.org/download.shtml. 4. If you really want the bug to be fixed, try to find out the exact point in time when the bug appeared. At the very least, test old Inkscape versions. To get a narrower and more useful estimate, use backdated CVS checkouts (the -D switch) to find the most recent date on which the CVS was is OK, and also the first date on which it is broken. Then we can make a diff between these two dates to figure out the reason. If you manage to find the day of breakage and if that day's diff is big (which is possible, given the rate of checkins we're having on average), try to narrow it down to a few hours. For example: cvs -d:ext:<your sf login>@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/inkscape checkout -D"2004-04-04 12:00" inkscape will give you the CVS as it was on that date at midday. I think this should work with anonymous CVS access too. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by Arpad Biro 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

Hi, > I just replaced all atof() and strtod() with g_ascii_strtod() which > is locale independent. Please try the CVS and see if this fixes your > problem I built and tested. Most of the problems are gone, but a few of them remains. I attached 3 screenshots showing the problems I've seen with current CVS. Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

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autopackages of Inkscape CVS now available for pre-release testing
by Mike Hearn 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

Hi, In January I said to you guys "go ahead and use GTKmm, don't worry about dependencies, that's our job" and promptly disappeared for a few months. Hopefully you accept my apologies - we've made a lot of improvements to autopackage in the meantime with the result that it's now capable of making a competent attempt at installing Inkscape and related dependencies. Firstly a recap: autopackage is a framework for building Linux binary packages that will install on any reasonably sane/modern Linux distribution[1] to any prefix, whilst taking care of all the fiddly bits like getting the menu integration right, dependency resolution and presenting a nice GUI feedback window while the program is being installed and its dependencies downloaded. You can read more about it on its website: http://www.autopackage.org/ I've packaged Inkscape, GTKmm and libsigc++ but not popt, libart, gtk2 or libxml2. I think most distros should have these things already. The long term plan is for autopackage to be able to drive apt/yum/urpmi and so on to be able to fetch dependencies not available in .package form from the distros native package repositories if possible. For now that doesn't work, so the user has to resolve those dependencies themselves. The Inkscape package is built from CVS nightly. It is available here: http://navi.cx/~mike/inkscape/inkscape-0.39cvs.package It can be installed like this: $ wget http://navi.cx/~mike/inkscape/inkscape-0.39cvs.package $ su # bash ./inkscape-0.39cvs.package In other words, just run it. Currently you should do this from a terminal window, though support from running it directly from file managers is nearly ready (it mostly-sorta works now). You will be prompted to download the autopackage support code. This should only happen once (until we do a new release of course). You don't have to run it as root. If you don't, it'll install itself to ~/.local - menus and such should still work theoretically, let us know if they don't. There is currently no way to uninstall graphically. You must run "package remove inkscape gtkmm libsigc++" as whichever user you installed as to uninstall the packages (assuming all of them were installed by autopackage). You can remove autopackage itself by running "package remove autopackage-gtk autopackage" as whichever user installed the support code. "package list" shows what you currently have installed. The summary screen at the end of the install will tell you what autopackage actually put on your system. Upgrading just involves downloading and running the new package, but our upgrade support is currently pretty weak. It'll just uninstall the old package and install the new one :) There is no way to do this automatically at the moment, you just have to wget the new .package file from my web server. It is keyed to a testing pre-release of autopackage 0.5, which isn't out yet but will be soon. So, report any bugs you find now :) If you like you can link to this package from your website. If you do, please put the usual disclaimer about autopackage being beta software etc on it. thanks -mike [1] for Inkscape that means any gcc 3.2 system with GTK2, as we need the 3.2 std lib DSO and we haven't packaged GTK2.

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[patch] another binreloc fix
by Mike Hearn 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

Only matters if you use extensions of course :) Index: src/extension/init.cpp =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/extension/init.cpp,v retrieving revision 1.10 diff -u -r1.10 init.cpp --- src/extension/init.cpp 26 Apr 2004 07:29:32 -0000 1.10 +++ src/extension/init.cpp 28 Apr 2004 22:40:58 -0000 @@ -34,6 +34,8 @@ #include "internal/ps-out.h" #include "internal/eps-out.h" +#include "prefix.h" + namespace Inkscape { namespace Extension { cvs server: Diffing src/extension/implementation cvs server: Diffing src/extension/internal

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[patch] Fix the relocatable build
by Mike Hearn 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

Firstly, thanks for integrating the binary relocatability patch! This will help not only the autopackage team but win32 porters as well. Having said that, you now have to remember that you can't use the C preprocessor to build paths anymore. Here is a patch to fix the CVS relocatable build. thanks -mike Index: src/dialogs/stroke-style.cpp =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/dialogs/stroke-style.cpp,v retrieving revision 1.39 diff -u -r1.39 stroke-style.cpp --- src/dialogs/stroke-style.cpp 25 Apr 2004 22:18:20 -0000 1.39 +++ src/dialogs/stroke-style.cpp 28 Apr 2004 19:55:23 -0000 @@ -789,15 +789,18 @@ static unsigned int edoc = FALSE; /* Try to load from document */ if (!edoc && !doc) { - if (g_file_test(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR)) { - doc = sp_document_new(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", FALSE, FALSE); + char *markers_file = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR, "/markers.svg", NULL); + if (g_file_test(markers_file, G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR)) { + doc = sp_document_new(markers_file, FALSE, FALSE); } - if ( !doc && g_file_test( INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", + if ( !doc && g_file_test( markers_file, G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR) ) { - doc = sp_document_new( INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", + doc = sp_document_new( markers_file, FALSE, FALSE ); } + g_free(markers_file); + if (doc) { unsigned int visionkey; sp_document_ensure_up_to_date(doc); @@ -909,15 +912,17 @@ } /* Try to load from document */ if (!edoc && !doc) { - if (g_file_test(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR)) { - doc = sp_document_new(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", FALSE, FALSE); + char *markers = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR, "/markers.svg", NULL); + if (g_file_test(markers, G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR)) { + doc = sp_document_new(markers, FALSE, FALSE); } - if ( !doc && g_file_test( INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", + if ( !doc && g_file_test( markers, G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR) ) { - doc = sp_document_new( INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", + doc = sp_document_new( markers, FALSE, FALSE ); } + g_free(markers); if (doc) { sp_document_ensure_up_to_date(doc); } else { @@ -951,15 +956,18 @@ /* Try to load from document */ if (!edoc && !doc) { - if (g_file_test(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR)) { - doc = sp_document_new(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", FALSE, FALSE); + char *marker = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR, "/markers.svg", NULL); + if (g_file_test(marker, G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR)) { + doc = sp_document_new(marker, FALSE, FALSE); } - if ( !doc && g_file_test( INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", + if ( !doc && g_file_test( marker, G_FILE_TEST_IS_REGULAR) ) { - doc = sp_document_new( INKSCAPE_MARKERSDIR "/markers.svg", + doc = sp_document_new( marker, FALSE, FALSE ); } + g_free(marker); + if (doc) { sp_document_ensure_up_to_date(doc); } else { @@ -1216,21 +1224,24 @@ tb = NULL; + char *path = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR, "/join_miter.xpm", NULL); tb = sp_stroke_radio_button(tb, INKSCAPE_STOCK_JOIN_MITER, - INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR "/join_miter.xpm", - hb, spw, "join", "miter"); + path, hb, spw, "join", "miter"); + g_free(path); gtk_tooltips_set_tip(tt, tb, _("Miter join"), NULL); + path = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR, "/join_round.xpm", NULL); tb = sp_stroke_radio_button(tb, INKSCAPE_STOCK_JOIN_ROUND, - INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR "/join_round.xpm", - hb, spw, "join", "round"); + path, hb, spw, "join", "round"); gtk_tooltips_set_tip(tt, tb, _("Round join"), NULL); + g_free(path); + path = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR, "/join_bevel.xpm", NULL); tb = sp_stroke_radio_button(tb, INKSCAPE_STOCK_JOIN_BEVEL, - INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR "/join_bevel.xpm", - hb, spw, "join", "bevel"); + path, hb, spw, "join", "bevel"); gtk_tooltips_set_tip(tt, tb, _("Bevel join"), NULL); - + g_free(path); + i++; /* Miterlimit */ @@ -1259,20 +1270,24 @@ hb = spw_hbox(t, 3, 1, i); tb = NULL; + + path = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR, "/cap_butt.xpm", NULL); tb = sp_stroke_radio_button(tb, INKSCAPE_STOCK_CAP_BUTT, - INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR "/cap_butt.xpm", - hb, spw, "cap", "butt"); + path, hb, spw, "cap", "butt"); gtk_tooltips_set_tip(tt, tb, _("Butt cap"), NULL); + g_free(path); + path = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR, "/cap_round.xpm", NULL); tb = sp_stroke_radio_button(tb, INKSCAPE_STOCK_CAP_ROUND, - INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR "/cap_round.xpm", - hb, spw, "cap", "round"); + path, hb, spw, "cap", "round"); gtk_tooltips_set_tip(tt, tb, _("Round cap"), NULL); + g_free(path); + path = g_build_filename(INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR, "/cap_square.xpm", NULL); tb = sp_stroke_radio_button(tb, INKSCAPE_STOCK_CAP_SQUARE, - INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR "/cap_square.xpm", - hb, spw, "cap", "square"); + path, hb, spw, "cap", "square"); gtk_tooltips_set_tip(tt, tb, _("Square cap"), NULL); + g_free(path); i++;

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News from the Scribus World
by Peter Linnell 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

Hi all, Since 1.1.6 was released, we have begun the long and winding road to Scribus 1.2. Some updates: Last night's CVS release, contains new code to speed up image rendering. It *is* noticeably faster. Anyone using CVS, is encouraged to update and test. There is a Roadmap document for 1.2 and 1.3+ which has been posted to www.scribus.net Those who who might be interested in tackling some of these tasks are invited to join in. Slashdot visited again, based on a review of 1.1.6 from madpenguin.com. This led another discussion on dot.kde.org here: http://dot.kde.org/1083054064/ as well as stories on newsforge.com and others. In related news, the Inkscape team marches towards their next release. The current cvs version has a new feature called the "clone tool". It harder to describe, than to use, but it is an innovative way of editing. Also, there is a new project being launched called "Open Clipart. I have posted a story on the front of www.scribus.net with details. Scribus users are encouraged to support this new endeavor. Cheers, Peter

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RE: win32 Calligraphy Tool
by bulia byak 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

>Is there anything written on "mass" and "drag" for instance or on the >rationale behind what the tool is doing? My guess is as good as yours. The original author of the tool is not active in Inkscape. I agree that the tool is pretty useless, but let it be until we have a better replacement. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Quick Observation / Inquiry
by bulia byak 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

>1) Observation: > One of the nicer features of Sodipodi's interface was the ability to >quickly >zoom in on a selection, as that is one of the most frequently done >operations. You can still hit '3' in Inkscape, but is this not one of the >features that might qualify for a RMB entry? RMB == right mouse button? Anyway, feel free to submit a patch. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by bulia byak 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

> > OK, the difference between the 2004-04-10 05:00 (good) and the > > 2004-04-10 06:00 (bad) versions are in inkscape.cpp and in main.cpp. > > Downgrading inkscape.cpp in the 06 tree to the 05 version does not > > solve the problem, but downgrading main.cpp DOES. > >Ok, so it's locale related, I've probed exporting LC_NUMERIC="C" >manually and it worked fine. The previous code set that manually to (and >it advertised that not doing it will mess up things, btw). Great work >Mr. Biro. Thanks for finding this out. I wonder what functions might be affected by the non-C locale, now that we removed all printfs? Judjing by the program behavior, it fails when reading SVG from files. We don't seem to have scanf() in XML reading code, only atof(). Is atof locale-broken also, as is printf? If so what should we use instead? > >Thanks. > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: The Robotic Monkeys at ThinkGeek >For a limited time only, get FREE Ground shipping on all orders of $35 >or more. Hurry up and shop folks, this offer expires April 30th! >http://www.thinkgeek.com/freeshipping/?cpg=12297 >_______________________________________________ >Inkscape-devel mailing list >Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Quick Observation / Inquiry
by Dan Ostrowski 28 Apr '04

28 Apr '04

Hello. I've been following Inkscape development for a while now. I was also on the Sodipodi list. 1) Observation: One of the nicer features of Sodipodi's interface was the ability to quickly zoom in on a selection, as that is one of the most frequently done operations. You can still hit '3' in Inkscape, but is this not one of the features that might qualify for a RMB entry? If no, I understand you get a lot of UI suggestions, but I figured I'd throw this one out there. It seems to be a logical fit. 2) Inquiry: What are the plans, if any, for patterns in Inkscape? Every couple days I say to myself "Hey, I just need to go in there and hack up some pattern support...", and yet... Lauris did not comment a lot of his files very well and the myriad of SP/NR_long_names_of_pointers shoved together in structs makes my eyes cross. Is anyone on the development team interested in patterns? There's a sp-pattern* file subset, but nothing seems to be done with it... It's SUCH a crucial feature is it on the radar at all? Thanks so much for a reply and Thanks so much for your development work, Dan Ostrowski

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by Arpad Biro 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

Hi, OK, the difference between the 2004-04-10 05:00 (good) and the 2004-04-10 06:00 (bad) versions are in inkscape.cpp and in main.cpp. Downgrading inkscape.cpp in the 06 tree to the 05 version does not solve the problem, but downgrading main.cpp DOES. main.cpp diff attached Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by bulia byak 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

>For me, it's not just buttons, but also menu icons, SVG documents, >and more. Looks like something very basic is broken. Since I cannot reproduce this, I would appreciate if you could find out the exact point in time when this started to happen. Use backdated CVS checkouts (the -D switch) to find the most recent date on which the CVS was is OK (maybe pre-0.38?), and also the first date on which it is broken. Then we can make a diff between these two dates to figure out the reason. If you manage to find the day of breakage and if that day's diff is big (which is possible, given the rate of checkins we're having on average), try to narrow it down to a few hours. For example: cvs -d:ext:a_b@...318...:/cvsroot/inkscape checkout -D"2004-04-04 12:00" inkscape will give you the CVS as it was on that date at midday. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] selection NULLness
by bulia byak 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

>which means that the SP_DT_SELECTION macro will give an assertion failure >if it doesn't return a non-NULL selection. I've then removed defensive >checks from callers of SP_DT_SELECTION. Everything seems ok so far. Here's a crash that seems to be caused by selection==NULL: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=942149&group_id=93… _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by bulia byak 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

>So, in addition to determining when the offending code was checked in, >we should look at the specific compiler/build configuration of the >people experiencing problems. Likely, given that some people have no problem with RPMs (compiled elsewhere) but their own builds are broken. So whoever has or does not have this problem, please report your compiler version and, if non-standard, compilation flags. Mine is g++ (GCC) 3.3.2 (Mandrake Linux 10.0 3.3.2-3mdk) works ok. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Can we remove acinclude.m4 ?
by Peter Moulder 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

inkscape seems to compile fine if I do rm -rf acinclude.m4 `cat .cvsignore` builddir ./autogen.sh && mkdir builddir && cd builddir && ../configure blah && make -sj4 A simplistic check suggests that none of the macros it defines are used by configure.in (with the arguable exception of AC_PROG_LIBTOOL, which is defined by /usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4 anyway). (This check ignores the possibility of configure.in invoking a macro in /usr/share/aclocal that invokes a macro whose definition is overridden by something in acinclude.m4, but in these cases it's questionable that we would want the acinclude.m4 version anyway if we never update acinclude.m4.) Our acinclude.m4 causes a number of warnings with automake-1.8. Has anyone any objection to removing acinclude.m4 from CVS ? pjrm.

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sp_item_write_transform
by MenTaLguY 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

I've decided to go ahead and rewrite sp_item_write_transform() into a form that doesn't write to reprs -- leaving SPObjectClass::write soley responsible for repr writing. Since the existing write_transform code was only writing to attributes for their side-effects (updating other member variables -- better done directly), this shouldn't be too hard. I'm not going to commit anything obviously broken, but just a heads up to look out for transform breakage in case I miss something along the way. A side-effect of the change is going to be that sp_item_write_transform will need to be followed by an explicit call to sp_object_invoke_write(). sp_item_write_transform() will probably become sp_item_set_transform(), also. Part of the reason for doing this is that I plan to remove the requirement for explicit writes (during editing) altogether, in favor of a per-document "dirty list" that gets written out automatically before the transaction is finalized with sp_document_done(). We'll see how this goes... -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by bulia byak 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

>Hey! It works!!! ;-) I copied this file into 0.38.1 tree and recompiled. It >works! I can now open the file open dialogue, switch to another desktop and >then back and the dialogue is there. OK, so this one is fixed. Good. Now we need to attack that "ugly buttons" problem. It's so weird I don't know where to start :) Please create a bug ticket with your screenshot attached and provide as much information and testing as you can. Everyone, please spend some time thinking about it, maybe you'll be stricken by an idea :) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by bulia byak 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

> > I just checked in a code fix. Please try the current CVS and see if it > > fixes the problem. Also try to vary the "Dialogs are hidden in the >taskbar" > > and "Dialogs on top" options and report which work best for you. >Okay, I'll try it. But two days ago I tried the CVS snapshot and the icons >looked distorted/ugly... I hoped we had left this problem behind. I never could reproduce it. Anyone else experiencing it? _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by bulia byak 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

> > a file selector dialog (Open, Save As, ...) and switch to another task > > without closing this dialog, then you will not be able to switch back > > to this Inkscape instance, so you will sooner or later need to kill it. >I have the same issue here. KDE 3.2.0, Mandrake 10.0 community. I just checked in a code fix. Please try the current CVS and see if it fixes the problem. Also try to vary the "Dialogs are hidden in the taskbar" and "Dialogs on top" options and report which work best for you. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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cosmetics
by bulia byak 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

I removed the relief from the top panel buttons (looks much nicer IMHO). Also the "sticky zoom" button if finally gone, instead there's a global preference governing this. _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Deleting extensions
by Ted Gould 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

Hey, I've committed some code that increases the abilities of the checking involving scripts - and I left in some debugging output. The reason for this is so people will complain ;) You might get something like: Deleting Extension: Dia Input Typically this is caused by not being able to find the program in the path. If, you think that something shouldn't be deleted, and it is getting deleted, please tell me. I think that the path detection code should work on win32 also, but I don't have it to verify. If someone could verify that it would be cool too. Thanks for your time, we will now return you to your regularly scheduled program :) --Ted

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Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by Arpad Biro 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

Hi, I noticed the following problem when using Inkscape in KDE: if you open a file selector dialog (Open, Save As, ...) and switch to another task without closing this dialog, then you will not be able to switch back to this Inkscape instance, so you will sooner or later need to kill it. The same happens if you move the file selector dialog to another virtual desktop: you will not see the dialog again, so you will not be able to close it. This does not happen in GNOME, nor does it happen with other Inkscape dialogs under KDE. Other GTK apps I tested (Gedit, Gnumeric, GnoZip) do not have this problem even under KDE. My versions are: GTK 2.2.4, Qt 3.2.3, GNOME 2.4, KDE 3.2 Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash

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Clones tamed
by bulia byak 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

I just checked in a change to the clones code which allows you to select how a clone reacts when its original is moved. In the Inkscape Preferences dialog, Misc tab, you can choose between: - Moves in parallel: Clone is translated by the same vector as its original. - Stays unmoved: Clone preserves its position when its original is moved. - Moves according to transform: Clone moves according to the value of its transform= attribute. For example, a rotated clone will move in a different direction than its original. Until now, the last of the three options was the only possible one. Now the default is the "moves in parallel" option. This makes handling clones much more intuitive and convenient in design. _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/dir…

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pangoization
by MenTaLguY 25 Apr '04

25 Apr '04

Well, while this release cycle is supposed to be focused on pangoization, we've not really done much work on that yet, so I've been thinking about where to start... At this point I think the plan looks like this: 1. C++ify libnrtype (completely) 2. Introduce a pango libnrtype backend 3. get the pango backend debugged on all platforms and switch to using it exclusively 4. refactor libnrtype away, bringing pango "to the surface" 5. Investigate using Pango in other areas, like <text> layout One motivation for the C++ification is because, while it's a significant project in its own right, it is much easier to create and refactor C++ classes than GObject/NRObject ones. Another advantage is that it'll get everyone involved more familiar with the code. So, anyway ... Nathan's already done some of the preliminary work on libnrtype. I think the next step switching from aggregation to C++ inheritance. (which simply means that this: struct NRSomething { NRSomethingBase base; ... }; becomes this: struct NRSomething : public NRSomethingBase { ... }; ...and no other changes should be necessary at that step) Any volunteers? I'll start hitting this myself once I get through with the SPSelection cleanup. -mental

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Problem with the GTK file selector in KDE
by bulia byak 25 Apr '04

25 Apr '04

>This does not happen in GNOME, nor does it happen with other Inkscape >dialogs under KDE. It also does not happen in KDE 3.1.3 which is why I did not catch it. See discussion here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=938123&group_id=93… Please try the solution discussed there and report your results in a comment. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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selection NULLness
by Carl Hetherington 25 Apr '04

25 Apr '04

Hi, While doing some SPSelection OO-ification I have noticed that there seems to be some confusion in the code about whether desktop->selection is ever NULL in normal operation. Anyone got any clues? Basically I think this dictates whether desktop->selection should be g_assert()ed non-NULL or assumed empty if it's NULL. The same confusion arises in other places where a SPSelection* is held. Personally, I'd favour the convention that all SPSelection* in structs are assumed to be non-NULL. Thanks Carl

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CVS file permissions
by Arpad Biro 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

Hi, I committed a new file (tutorial-basic.fr.svg) to the CVS, but after committing I realized that the file permissions only allow root to read the file: -rw------- 1 root root 230925 apr 23 21:20 tutorial-basic.fr.svg So my question is: after a chmod + commit, will the permissions of the file in CVS change appropriately? Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash

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Adding a new tutorial
by Arpad Biro 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

Hi, Now that tutorial-basic.fr.svg is added, does share/tutorials/Makefile.am need to be modified? Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Clone command
by bulia byak 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

>Yes that would make sense as default, but there should still be a key for >producing duplicates instead of clones (like when you want to copy a draft >that you want to change in different ways) Yes. >Is this behavior optional? I could think of many use cases where one only >wants the shape to be in sync, not the placement. It's not optional in SVG, but we can try to work around that. I will look into it. >But maybe a user could put the originals on a special layer that is locked >and invisible and thus have the same functionality? That would prevent you from changing the original's shape too. SVG has no provisions for linking shape and not linking position. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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ill2svg.pl
by Ted Gould 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

Hey, I think someone modified this script a while ago - I can't figure out who because it has been moved in CVS :( So, I'm just posting a general message. I think that the goal was to remove the platform specific line endings method that is used. Unfortunately, that didn't work for Illustrator files created on a Mac. I backed out the changes and applied a patch that was posted to the Sodipodi list which does text. I've also attached a Mac Illustrator file to the RFE for this feature. If the mystery person who tried to fix this before could fix it again that would be really cool :) http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=895489&group_id=93438&atid=… --Ted

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non-recursive makefile: last chance for objections
by Peter Moulder 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

Proposal: Switch to a single makefile in src/ that includes all the stuff previously in src/**/Makefile.am. Top-level makefile continues to be recursive make. This simplifies data installation, and the benefits of changing aren't much for directories outside of src/**. Use automake's `include' directive on blah/Makefile_insert. Most existing blah/Makefile.am content goes to blah/Makefile_insert, e.g. blah_libblah_a_{CPPFLAGS,SOURCES,LDFLAGS,LDADD}. Some "global" variable definitions move to src/Makefile.am: noinst_LIBRARIES, DISTCLEANFILES, EXTRA_DIST, EXTRA_PROGRAMS, TESTS, check_PROGRAMS. INCLUDES/AM_CPPFLAGS become e.g. blah_libblah_a_CPPFLAGS (i.e. per-target instead of per-directory). "Local" variable definitions (e.g. used for conditional compilation, e.g. win32_sources) go in src/blah/Makefile_insert, and acquire a `blah_' prefix. (The win32_sources variable from src/Makefile.am goes to src/Makefile_insert with no added prefix.) src/Makefile.am contains: + include blah/Makefile_insert + Definitions for the aforementioned "global" variables. + dist-hook rule. Advantages: + Can depend on things from other directories. E.g. some files in display/ depend on helper/sp-marshal.h having been built, and various */*-test programs depend on libraries in other directories (previously hacked with a `check-recursive: all-recursive' dependency in src/Makefile.am). + Compilation is expected to be faster: - Fewer invocations of automake and make. - Better parallelization is possible with make -j / make -l (e.g. when using distcc). However, making CPPFLAGS per-target means much longer generated Makefile content. I haven't yet done timing tests (underway). Disadvantages: + All files mentioned in the makefile fragments need to specify their directory. E.g. if blah/Makefile.am used to contain libblah_a_SOURCES = \ foo.cpp foo.h then blah/Makefile_insert will now contain blah_libblah_a_SOURCES = \ blah/foo.cpp \ blah/foo.h Any other advantages/disadvantages? Checks to be done before switching: + `make install' creates same directory tree. - Done. Some differences in the inkscape/inkview executable files, all other files bytewise-identical. + `make check' works. - Done. Works. Hmm, haven't checked that all expected checks are getting run. + `make check' works immediately after `make clean'. - Not yet checked. + `make distcheck' works. - Not yet checked. Any other checks to be done? pjrm.

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] CVS file permissions
by bulia byak 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

>I committed a new file (tutorial-basic.fr.svg) to the CVS, but after >committing I realized that the file permissions only allow root to >read the file: > >-rw------- 1 root root 230925 apr 23 21:20 tutorial-basic.fr.svg > >So my question is: after a chmod + commit, will the permissions of the >file in CVS change appropriately? I don't know the real answer, but I checked it out and it had the exact same permissions as the other tutorial files. So perhaps this is OK. I did some cosmetic changes to the French tutorial (mostly, spaced out sections a bit more). _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Clone Bug?
by Michael Wheeler 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Clone command
by bulia byak 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

>I was going to comment on the shortcut too! > >Developers will probably want to reserve Ctrl+Shift+N for New Layer or New >from Template, which is the kind of thing that shortcut is normally used >for. I changed that already, see my yesterday's mail. >Adobe Illustrator doesn't seem to have anything directly analagous to a >Clone tool. The way it works in Adobe Illustrator seems to be that you >make a symbol of something first and then you use the Symbol tools, namely >the Symbol Sprayer which has the keybinding Shift+S. I dont know how you >plan to implement things in the future but you may want to reconsider the >current design if it will inevitably need to be changed later. Hmmm. It's not often (yet) that we beat AI on something, and now that we've done it, you suggest that we drop it for compatibility? :) The Symbols facility and the Clone command are entirely different, even if they will use the same internal implementaion (via <use>). They have different goals and different uses. It would be nice for Inkscape to have a Symbols palette eventually, but even when we have it, Clone will remain too. >Do other vector graphics tools behave similarly or do they have Clone >tools? >The Gimp uses the single letter 'C' for Clone (dont know what Adobe >Photoshop uses) which seems reasonable. Gimp and Photoshop are irrelevant - they are bitmap tools, and their "clones" are just copies that are not linked to the original. AFAIK no other vector editors have anything like our live clones. I did suggest this feature to Xara X guys a few years ago, but they told me it was too difficult to implement (obviously it did not fit their internal architecture). It's so deeply satisfying to be able to outperform them now with open source! :) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Re: Clone command
by bulia byak 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

> > SVG has no > > provisions for linking shape and not linking position. As a first step, I just committed a change which, when transforming a selection, will skip a clone if its original is also selected. This means dragging clones together with their originals no longer does double transform which distorts positions. So far, however, this only works for clones which are not scaled/rotated, so more work is needed. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Clone command
by bulia byak 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

>AFIAR Freehand is using Ctrl-C for clone and Ctrl-D for duplicate. Ctrl+C does not Copy?! They likely have not read HIG :) >Yes, that is very great. I was very disappointed when I found out that the >only difference between Clone and Duplicate in Freehand is that >Duplicate moves the duplicated object a bit and Clone does not (or vice >versa). The same was in Corel Draw. IMHO the "duplicate with a shift" is an example of an utterly redundant, "dumbed down" operation - I hope no one will ever come up with a suggestion to implement it in Inkscape :) >BTW Is there a key for making a clone while moving an >object (duplicate works with space)? Not yet, but I thought about enabling space to leave clones, not duplicates. First, this will reduce the file size, and second, clones will be moved in sync with the original, and therefore the chain of clones will behave almost like a stroke. This is not easy to implement, thoough, because currently clones may behave in a rather counterintuitive (although perfectly standard-compliant) ways when the clone is scaled/rotated and the original is then moved, or when both original and clone are selected and moved together. I will try to program special treatment for these situations so they behave more intuitively. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Clone commands + dialogs menu
by bulia byak 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

Two new clone commands are added, and the shortcuts are changed to coordinate with Duplicate (Ctrl+D): Alt+D Clone Shift+Alt+D Unlink Clone Shift+D Select Original Also, I eliminated the Dialogs menu moving its commands to other menus. It's more logical this way, with each dialog being close to other commands that deal with the same aspect of the program. The only misplaced command is the Text and Font dialog which is in Edit for now, but later a new Text menu will be added and it will move there. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Total remove of inkscape
by Lucas Vieites 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

Hi, I'm one of the guys that had the icon problem with Inkscape 0.38. I want to try and make a completely clean install of the program. What should I remove from my system? - executables - shared files - libs? Where are they all located? On the other hand, is it safe to do this? I mean I think it wouldn't compromise my box's stability Thank you very much for your answers. -- Lucas 'Basurero' Vieites <lucas@...212...> Asix Informática http://www.asixinformatica.com/ Tel/Fax: +34 986 54 26 98

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deprecation warnings
by MenTaLguY 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

I've deprecated much of the old sp_selection() API; all that remains are tiny inline wrappers that are adaptors for the new API. If the deprecation warnings bother you -- just replace those inline wrappers with their contents at their call sites. e.g. sp_selection_empty(sel) becomes sel->clear() -mental

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constructors and GObject (no!)
by MenTaLguY 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Just a quick note ... I've been getting asked questions about adding C++ constructors and destructors to GObject-based classes. It can be done, e.g. by calling placement new from the GObject _init function (and calling the destructor from _dispose), but that will break in a lot of subtle (and occasionally spectacular) ways. For similar reasons, please don't add virtual methods to such classes; they will break the struct layout and general badness will occur. Be careful about the implications of adding members with non-trivial constructors/destructors to these classes as well.. you will need to call each members' constructors and destructors by hand. There is deep, deep magic involved here. Once GObject is excised from a class (and all its base classes), then things are much better, and pretty much any C++ feature goes. -mental

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Problems with a recent check-in
by Carl Hetherington 21 Apr '04

21 Apr '04

Hi, With current CVS: 1. Start a new document. 2. Add some text. 3. Resize that text. gives a load of assertion failures and then a segfault. After a cvs up -D 2004-04-19 everything's ok. Cheers Carl

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Colour change action
by Carl Hetherington 20 Apr '04

20 Apr '04

Hi, Does anyone have any comments to make wrt the discussion going on in bug 937393 in the tracker? Cheers Carl

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www.openclipart.org
by Jonathan Phillips 20 Apr '04

20 Apr '04

Hello folks, The first version of the website for the Open Clip Art Project (http://www.openclipart.org) is up online and ready for a light beating from you all. Please submit some Public Domain artwork now. For now, please make sure what you are submitting is public domain. Also, please check out the site and feel and reply to the clipart list at clipart@...330... if there is anything you see that should be there and isn't. I'll try and get to changes by the weekend or quicker. The site again: http://www.openclipart.org Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fixes to save as on win32
by bulia byak 20 Apr '04

20 Apr '04

>- Should the two different exports be different menu items? Perhaps: >"Export Document" and "Export Selection"? Bitmap export has a switch for this on the export dialog. It's pretty convenient. If we implement exporting a selection into a vector format, it should be similar IMHO. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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[Fwd: [Sodipodi-list] ill2svg.pl add text support]
by Jonathan Phillips 19 Apr '04

19 Apr '04

-----Forwarded Message----- > From: Tuukka Pasanen <tuukka.pasanen@...327...> > To: sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [Sodipodi-list] ill2svg.pl add text support > Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:14:38 +0300 > > Hi, > I hacked that ill2svg.pl script to allow one to get texts from illustrator > file and convert them to SVG. Actually it works fine for me (Works for > me(tm)) as i can see. > Next i'll check how to get those inline images out of there. There also > few hacks that should be done much more nicely. > But if you find it usefull test it;) > > Tuukka -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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Another valgrind error
by Carl Hetherington 19 Apr '04

19 Apr '04

Hi, Another error that valgrind has spotted is the unitialised indices 4 and 5 in the NR::Matrix tp at the top of matrix_is_isometry() (nr-arena-shape.cpp:362). Should I fix this here, or would it be better to make the NR::Matrix default constructor zero-init its members? Cheers Carl

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Clone command
by bulia byak 19 Apr '04

19 Apr '04

After a small fix, I decided that svg:use is now sufficiently usable. So I created a new command, Clone (Shift+Ctrl+N), that creates a clone of the selected object(s). A clone is the Inkscape term for the svg:use object. This is similar to a duplicate, except that it's linked back to its original. You can move/scale/rotate/skew/flip each clone independently, but all other aspects (fill, stroke, path, etc) of a clone are dynamically updated from the original if the original is changed. For example, you can draw a petal, create several clones of it, position them into a flower, and node-edit the original petal - all the clone petals will be updated automatically so that the flower remains symmetric at all times. This feature is basically usable, but still experiemental, and not expected to work properly in all possible situations. I will continue to improve it. Comments welcome. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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vim hints
by Kees Cook 19 Apr '04

19 Apr '04

Say, there are a lot of files in the tree with vim hints at the bottom. (I think these are from Ted?) I'd like to change them to drop the "filetype=c++" part. That seems to break my vim and uncolorizes everything. I think it's breaking the autodetection. -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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valgrind problems with livarot
by Carl Hetherington 19 Apr '04

19 Apr '04

Hi, As I think has been discussed, valgrind has a few complaints about livarot. Most of these are fixed with the following patch: Index: src/livarot/ShapeRaster.cpp =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/livarot/ShapeRaster.cpp,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.7 ShapeRaster.cpp --- src/livarot/ShapeRaster.cpp 1 Apr 2004 00:16:12 -0000 1.7 +++ src/livarot/ShapeRaster.cpp 19 Apr 2004 00:22:24 -0000 @@ -1754,6 +1754,7 @@ } swrData[no].calcX=swrData[no].curX+(to-step-swrData[no].curY)*swrData[no].dxdy; swrData[no].guess=-1; + swrData[no].misc = NULL; } void Shape::DestroyEdge(int /*no*/,float /*to*/,float /*step*/) { Would anyone with valgrind like to verify this? More importantly, could a livarot expert (fred?) take a look and see if this patch is sensible? The problems seem to stem from swrData[...].misc being uninitialised, but it could be that this value should be set somewhere else. In that case, my patch would probably just cover up a bug rather than fixing it. Cheers Carl

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keyboard shortcuts
by Artemio 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

Hello all! Currently, if one switches to Russian or Ukrainian keyboard layout, keyboard shortcuts stop working. So when you type Russian text in Inkscape and then want to edit font/fill/etc. properties, you have to switch back to English, press Shift-Ctrl+T(F) and then switch back to previous layout and so on. I'm using a en_GB:en locale - is this a problem? Anyway, whether this is the reason or not, I think keyboard shortcuts should work with any layout and with any inkscape locale. I can help you with mapping proper keys on the keyboard for Russian and Ukrainian layouts, just let me know. Artemio. -- http://artemio.net/exp ::: Artemio's hot sound tweaks [local time 21:35:26 (GMT +3) 18 April 2004] [system uptime 3 hr 11 min]

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Embedding raster images
by Jonathan Phillips 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

This sounds like a great idea. You should file a new feature request here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=93438&atid=604309 Jon On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 05:53, Artemio wrote: > On Sunday 18 April 2004 14:07, Aewyn Vienna wrote: > > Is there any way to embed pictures (png, others) into svg files? > > Now -as I know- it makes only a link in svg files, so it is hard job to > > manage all files for one svg. > AFAIK, SVG standard itself allows embedding images and fonts inside. It's all > about encoding the file data (with base64 as I remember) and placing it > inside the SVG file, and then referring to this data instead of a file, so I > think someday our great Inkscape guys will make this possbile ;-) > > > Artemio. -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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recursive balls (per the conference room topic)
by MenTaLguY 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

Thinking about it, we need to either lose the recursive balls, or make them larger. At the moment, because they are so small, unless you zoom in they look like a display glitch. On the other hand, if they were made larger, it would be necessary to make some tweaks to account for e.g. interreflection and caustics. So it's probably best to do without. The single sphere just looks really darn cool anyway. No sense in overkilling it. ^_- -mental

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stock items API proposal
by MenTaLguY 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

During discussion with John today, we came up with this proposal for a general way of dealing with stock library items: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?StockLibraryInterface Look good to everyone? -mental

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