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Fwd: Re: Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
by Miguel Lopez 01 May '17

01 May '17

I have made videos of workarounds, and anyone making a workaround docs can use my video without my permission. I will upload them soon. Those docs can be deleted once Inkscape gets certain features, and I will delete those videos the minute Inkscape supports certain features. For now I have this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5TkIETfQa4 The point of the video is to show users how they can make a easily accessible editable mask in Inkscape without ever having to release mask. It also shows how to get some fade-out effect usually made with raster programs. There's the issue of the mask showing over the target object, and if I hide the editable mask layer, so does the mask goes to black. The one I will upload after are 2 Gradient Stroke workarounds videos - With Profile LIne, and without profile line 1 tangency line workaround video utilizing spiro, b-spline, and regular bezier path Way later I will do a shoe render, and how to use clip and masks in order to generate a extremely realistic-looking shoe that is 100 percent vector, but some of those results can easily be achieved with raster programs. I will also try to generate a warped pattern, and show how to achieve that. I know I'm not the best person to make a tutorial. On 4/29/2017 6:36 PM, Victor Westmann wrote: Hi Miguel, I think this is a GREAT advantage for the entire Inkscape project. It makes all the sense of the world to help users do all the needed workarounds and, if they want, help send funds to the project ($$) and/or a bug request on Gitlab(is it at Gitlab really?). Amazing. The more transparent we are (and we really are) the better. --Victor Westmann 2017-04-29 10:39 GMT-07:00 Miguel Lopez <reptillia39@...3425...<mailto:reptillia39@...3425...>>: I want to put out something regarding documentations. What about workarounds to Inkscape limitations as part of the documentation? Some users really need some answers to the limitation of Inkscape. There's another idea I have in mind. For making tutorials shorter, we can use existing tutorials of our own and linking to them as part of advanced section of Inkscape tutorials. Advanced users should already know the program in and out to know how to apply them for advanced rendering. Some of those might need workarounds though. My only issue with those workaround is the amount of time they require, and the tax on limited resources. Otherwise, if those weren't a issue, they would be fantastic though they're still not a replacement to what other programs has to offer. I can offer making workaround docs if anyone wants me to show how to work around Inkscape limits. For example : 1) Gradient Stroke - 1a) Method 1 (If profile line aren't needed) - Duplicate and then adjust stroke width, and then convert to path. Every strokes must be converted to path. You copy and paste the path that is going to get removed by applying the path difference. You repeat the process, and then you get every individual stroke which can be colored as however you please. 1b) Method 2 (If profile line is needed) You apply the same thing to the above, but you are not going to use stroke width. Instead, you are going to use power stroke to emulate profile line with gradient stroke. 2) Realistic Rendering of convulated objects like a shoe. 2a) This involves series of clipping, blurring, gradient mesh and brushing. Right now, Inkscape users can only use gradient mesh for basic overall lighting, and some bit of coloring using filtering since gradient mesh is underdeveloped in Inkscape. You apply blur to brushes in order to emulate shading. Doing this a lot can give very sastifying result within Inkscape, but also drains so much of rendering speed within Inkscape even with a powerful computer. But results are literally comparable to raster programs, and in some way even better because well, it's scalable. 3) The lack of warp tool for textures workaround 3a) As of now, we do have lattice tool, and the tweak liquifying tool. Those two can be used as a workaround to the lack of warp tool. Lattice deformation tool should had the option of allowing users to tweak the tangency line though instead of the tangency line being tangent to the horizontal and vertical direction. This is not something that can have a decent workaround since it requires duplicating so many objects and then tweaking it would be a major pain. For complicated textures, it can't be done within Inkscape unless you have a infinite amount of time and resource, and as we all know that's not possible. 4) For people who have trouble with tangency snapping (I'm one of those), and no that snapping option does not help one bit. 4a) The obvious workaround involves using the show handles. You can make tangent line utilizing the result of the show handles LPE. Also, this enables users to be able to create perpendicular, and tangent spiro path. 5) The lack of ease regarding manipulating mask/clip 5a) The workaround to this is well, using the clone as the masking/clipping source while retaining the original for clipping/masking at another location. This workaround works because you can always manipulate the source object, and hide it. It is almost exactly like as if you were manipulating transparency mask within Krita or Photoshop or GIMP. After testing it, it's beautiful really when you change between layer/group. 6) PDF export limitation 6a) The obvious workaround here is well, export to png and then convert to pdf. Of course, some rasterization would be needed if one has to convert to pdf, literally at times. I think those are the 6 issues that could be addressed via docs tutorial for those who are desperate to find a solution to those. They can always resort to Krita for those (except 6 because pdf export is not planned), but that's not a option if they have to create a vector render. If there's anything I miss regarding workarounds, lemme know. I can probably add more workarounds if I miss anything as I know the program in and out from a user perspective. On 4/29/2017 11:54 AM, C R wrote: >> I don't mean to slow anyone's roll here. But wouldn't it make more sense to put >> any kind of energy towards documentation into the much discussed, direly needed, >> user-focused, step by step manual? Rather than starting from scratch on a whole >> different kind of project? > Yea, this actually makes a lot of sense as a first step. > >> There are many books out there already, which amount to a series of tutorials. >> It's not a bad thing. I just think this kind of project is better suited for a >> single author, or maybe a small team. And I think the project needs the manual >> much, more more than the community needs another book of tutorials. > I agree. I think the book could be a lot of things in one. But I agree > with finishing what we already have before starting something new. > > >> As far as I understand, all that's needed is an English translation of...well >> can't find a link to the French version. Here's a link to whatever has been >> translated already: >> https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/introduction/ > I can't help with translation, unfortunately. But I'd like to see this > finished. So +1 for the suggestion. > >> Once we have the translation, we'll be off and running to update and finish it! >> By the way, is there anything those of us who can't translate, can do, to help >> the translators? > I volunteer to help this effort in what ways are needed. > >> And won't such a new book of tutorials have to be published? A big obstacle to >> writing any book is getting it published. You almost have to have an invitation >> from a publisher to be certain a book will get published. Or publish it >> yourself, which is not easy eitiher. > Books done in Scribus can be "published" in a variety of ways, opened > in browsers, laptops, eReaders, or just printed out. We could sell > printed copies along with other Inkscape stuff. Maybe copies signed by > members of the project would be kinda cool. No idea what the market is > for it, but the idea that we could do all of these at once is > attractive, and why I recommend Scribus. > > -C > >> Just my opinion :-) >> >> brynn >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Maren Hachmann >> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 4:01 PM >> To: Inkscape-Docs ; Inkscape Devel List >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? >> (targeting the moon) >> >> Would it make sense to use gitlab's new subgroups feature for this? >> >> The inkscape-docs team could be a sub-team of Inkscape, that way. There >> are only 4 members as of now, so changing wouldn't be so difficult as it >> might be later on. >> >> Maren >> >>> Am 28.04.2017 um 16:14 schrieb Martin Owens: >>>> On Fri, 2017-04-28 at 12:39 +0100, C R wrote: >>>>> I'd love to quit my job and just do docs. :) Unfortunately, that's >>>>> what it would probably take to get docs going to the extent we'd >>>>> like. >>>>> It's been discussed before, but never gone anywhere because of lack >>>>> of time/hands involved. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, we should use Scribus to do it. In fact, it should probably be a >>>>> github project to attract contributors. This way we can patch what >>>>> needs to be patched when stuff changes in subsequent releases. >>>> Sounds like you have a solid step one Chris. >>>> >>>> Here's the inkscape-docs group on gitlab, EVERYONE should join, there >>>> should be a button to join: >>>> >>>> https://gitlab.com/inkscape-docs >>>> >>>> And here's the new book/manual/docs project where files can be put: >>>> >>>> https://gitlab.com/inkscape/manuals >>>> >>>> I recommend using the wiki attached to the project to plan the >>>> adventure slowly. Add a bit at a time and don't rush to have something >>>> "complete" but have something small produced. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, Martin Owens >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list >>>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >>>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Fwd: Re: Marketing Inkscape - Survey Preview
by Miguel Lopez 01 May '17

01 May '17

Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Marketing Inkscape - Survey Preview Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:04:25 -0400 From: Miguel Lopez <reptillia39@...3425...><mailto:reptillia39@...3425...> To: brynn <brynn@...3133...><mailto:brynn@...3133...> Better idea, 3 surveys 1- Users Market Survey 2-Coding Survey 3-Follow-up Survey using the 2 for developers Maybe even more follow-up survey if there is some ambiguous decisions? On 5/1/2017 12:33 AM, brynn wrote: > Well, I had to answer the questions, to get to pages 2 and 3. But I didn't > submit, in the end. > > Because of the question about who I think should be using Inkscape (more in the > future), I think you need to restrict this survey to the kind of developers who > work with the code. Even though I pay attention to development issues, it > doesn't matter to me who should be using Inkscape more. I'd love to see > Inkscape be more popular, and see more people using it, but it doesn't matter to > me who they are. > > All best, > brynn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Gorley > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 1:52 PM > To: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:inkscape-devel@...1240...ceforge.net> > Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Marketing Inkscape - Survey Preview > > > Hello all, > I have been in communication with Martin and Maren about assisting with some > marketing on the project. I am a designer and marketer by profession. You can > read the conversation that got this all started if you're interested, but in > short, I feel passionately about helping Inkscape succeed. > > I am emailing to get your feedback on a survey I would like to begin collecting > responses for. As I see it, growing users and growing contributors are two sides > of the same coin for any successful FOSS project. This particular survey is > focusing on the user side of that coin. My intent is to help develop criteria > for, and consensus around, who our primary markets for Inkscape should be. A > free and open application is of course for anyone to use for any reason. > However, because our resources in marketing this application are finite, we > really need to clarify and prioritize to have any hope for success. > > So here is the survey: https://goo.gl/forms/ReZkSjOMokkaoSln2 > > Don't spend your time responding (yet). I would like to make sure I'm covering > the right user segments here, so do email me with your thoughts. I'm glad to > meet you all and thanks for the help! > > > Ryan Gorley @ Dijt > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@...941...rge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@...941...rge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Email spam from inkscape.org
by Martin Owens 01 May '17

01 May '17

Hi all, I've disabled the email server on osuosl's machine which is hosting inkscape.org, it sent out some spam (50~140) with a rather inviting political headline subject, and a mortgage advert body. whereupon 22 people emailed me (the webmaster) with abuse. I'm going to continue to monitor it, but without some sort of expert that can tell if the machine is compromised, I may just have to keep email offline for now. Sorry for the inconvenience. Effected will be: registration confirmation emails, password resets and any website notifications. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Email spam from inkscape.org
by Ryan Gorley 01 May '17

01 May '17

Taking a quick look it doesn't appear the domain has an SPF record setup. This will help receiving mail servers block mail claiming to be from the domain but not sent from an explicitly authorized IP address. It's just a specially formatted zone record you can add if you have access. This tool ( http://www.spfwizard.net) appears to make it pretty easy, though you'd probably figure it out after 10 minute on your own with the help of Google. I use http://www.mail-tester.com to verify I've got things configured right afterwards. On Apr 29, 2017 4:34 PM, "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> wrote: On Sun, 2017-04-30 at 00:22 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: > Oh :-( Does anyone know someone who could help? > > (I guess you've already checked that the server actually sent those, > and that it wasn't just in the emails' 'From' field? - Sorry, that's > the only thing I know about this..., there are people doing that with > our private server, too. I think there is an option in the mail > server settings that allows other email programs to request > confirmation that the mail was actually sent from that server). Hi Maren, I suspect the emails weren't sent from our system, as the email addresses that replied don't appear in our mail logs. But I'm being cautious because the system isn't as secure as it could be with an expert in the helm. Martin Owens ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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[UX] Defaultable LPE parameter improved
by Jabier Arraiza 29 Apr '17

29 Apr '17

Hi Again. This mail is about the same. I'm not too much sattisfy with the UX proposal from yesterday and I do a full redesign. There is a special code not used yet that allow to show LPE and params inside a "inkscape-preferences" dialog. If anybody want to use it in the future I share the code here: https://inkscape.org/en/paste/10909/ The current UX is more simpler in code and in use. I attach screenshot. Please review strings. https://inkscape.org/en/~jabiertxof/%E2%98%85default-parameters-new-ux Cheers, Jabier.

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Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
by Victor Westmann 28 Apr '17

28 Apr '17

Hi team, I was not sure as where I was supposed to open this discussion (or question) of mine. I was just wondering... I do know that it takes a lot of time, and money, and then more time, and probably a lot of revisions... but do you guys think we can try to aim making something similar to this? https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/designer/workbook/ This is a hard copy, printed, material that Affinity Designer, from the Serif company, sell. I confess I don't have a copy of this material (yet) as it seems it only exists, officially, in the printed version... but I saw some samples and was really inspired and eager to check if we could do something on our own more or less of the same kind. We could try to use the Scribus to achieve such results.. and some open fonts (from Google and Adobe) and try to assemble 4 - 6 different big learning areas inside this Inkscape Activity Book. They could be: 1. Creating isometric graphics, (there is a super sweet plugin that works wonderfully in Inkscape 0.91.2) 2. Vectorizing simple photos, 3. creating logos (or recreating famous ones (not sure this is allowed)), there are multiple AMAZING examples of this on Nick Saporito Youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w) 4. UX-UI design to create webpage (or mobile apps) mockups. I know it is a lot of work. But we could try doing a smaller and simpler version of it to see how it goes. It would help us gather more money to the Inkscape project and follow, more or less, the model of Krita (they have a paid support option and some books to sell as well) and Blender (they have a store with multiple long and detailed tutorials on how to do things in videos (DVDs)). Just wondering... I know this might be asking too much... but I plan to be involved in this. Even if we have time for only 1 or 2 modules. It would be amazing to craft such material and spread it to the community (paid or free). --Victor Westmann

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Windows Properties > Start in "C:\Program Files\Inkscape\etc"
by brynn 27 Apr '17

27 Apr '17

Hi Friends, A recent post in the forum asks why \etc should be the Start In location for Inkscape installed on Windows. http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=32259 Pretty much everything is already said in that topic, so I won't make so much noise repeating it. But I'll be glad to relay the answer, in case whoever has the answer isn't a forum member :-) (Also glad to make a bug report, if it's needed.) Thank you very much, brynn

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[UX] Default value for live effects parameters updateable
by Jabier Arraiza 27 Apr '17

27 Apr '17

Hi all [UX] folks! I have done a work to allow storing diferent default values for live effects parameters. By this way a user can have a fixed "stroke width" parameter in a concrete live effect for new uses instead than currently, what always is reseted to harcoded default ones. First of all, here is the current state of the code Code: https://code.launchpad.net/~inkscape.dev/inkscape/lpeUpdDefaultPa rams Screenshot: https://inkscape.org/en/~jabiertxof/%E2%98%85ui-for-lpe-def aults-params As now is fully functional not sure if is easy to explain and my texts info in widgets need to be improved. By default no default storable params since we go into: "preferences dialog->select_lpe->active_desired_parameter". Once is done, when using this effect, the desired parameter has a "*" mark to show is defaultable and apply current values pressing "Set BUTTON" or remove the custom one to go into harcode defaults pressing "Reset button". Anyway we need a work defining the strings for labels, buttons, prefs to try to be more understable. Thanks again for reading, Jabier.

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News news needs your help
by Martin Owens 26 Apr '17

26 Apr '17

Dear all, Our news article about Inkscape in 2017 and what we hope to get done is languishing on the website, unpublished, unloved. https://inkscape.org/en/news/unpublished/805/ If you are able to help finish it off, you can paste the text in a reply here if you want or stuff it into a google doc. But your help making sure it shows what the whole developer community is doing would be great. Thanks everyone, Best Regards, Martin Owens

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translations for extensions
by Mark Schafer 19 Apr '17

19 Apr '17

Several extensions have indicated they would like translation to other languages. Its not clear how this can be achieved. Any ideas on the proper approach - even if we can't do it now ? - current info - https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/translations/#translatable-content Currently .po files are: - not dynamic and distributed with the main distributon - are per language They use a mechanism of direct translation of one phrase into a substitution phrase as outlined here: - http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Translation_information#PO_translat… So this mechanism cannot accommodate the extensions which probably need: - one file per language added to the current inx and code file. - perhaps a way of merging all these new po files when extensions are loaded. Now: When we write an extension we can use the underscore variants (below) to get translations. My assumption is that this is looking in the translation database on the off-chance the word has been translated. However this will fail for all descriptions and currently untranslated names, options, gui-texts and items. The complete set of translateable types for extensions is: - _gui-text, _name, _description, _filetypename, _filetypetooltip, _item, _option, _param - but its not clear any do get translated. Can anyone confirm this is how it works now ? Any ideas on a plan for what might be done in the future so we can add it to the todo list ?

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Improving 'circle' tool
by Daniel Plaza 19 Apr '17

19 Apr '17

Good morning, I would like to let you know an idea I had regarding the circle tool. I feel it difficult to take into consideration centers and radi of the circles I create with Inkscape. Therefore, I suggest adding a new way (not deleting the pre-existing one) to create circles, as in Geogebra (you can try it for free online), where the first time you click defines the center and the final double click the radius, so you can see how the circle grows while you are editing it and it would be easier to do tangents, as well as many other things... I hope you'll take this idea into consideration. Have a nice day!

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GSoC
by Josh Andler 16 Apr '17

16 Apr '17

Hey Mentors, If you haven't marked any proposals that you wish to mentor that you are interested in, please do so within the next 12 hours. I want to make sure we have a relatively accurate minimum and maximum number for slots requested. Cheers, Josh

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Create inkscape GitLab project
by William Entriken 16 Apr '17

16 Apr '17

Hello, I see that some projects are already set up on GitLab. Would an admin please create an "inkscape" project. This will allow us to play around with importing inkscape code and discuss progress using GitLab's wiki feature. I have some documentation of this project at > https://github.com/inkscape/inkscape/wiki/Synchronization-task > https://github.com/inkscape/inkscape/wiki/Migrate-Launchpa d-to-GitHub-%5BDRAFT%5D Presumably, the process on GitLab would be very similar as the proof of concept that worked on GitHub. Regards, Will William Entriken +1 267-738-4201 <(267)%20738-4201>

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Fwd: RE: Offer to help put inkscape on windows store
by Marc Jeanmougin 16 Apr '17

16 Apr '17

Fw'd (fro some reason David can't send to the ml): -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: RE: [Inkscape-devel] Offer to help put inkscape on windows store Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 16:58:32 +0000 From: David Washington <David.Washington@...3499...> To: Amelia Bellamy-Royds <amelia.bellamy.royds@...400...>, Inkscape Devel List <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> CC: Marc Jeanmougin <marc@...3062...>, Reza Alizadeh <rezaali@...3499...>, John Alioto <John.Alioto@...3499...>, James Earle <James.Earle@...3499...>, Jerry Nixon (XAML) <Jerry.Nixon@...3499...>, Joe Shirey <Joe.Shirey@...3499...> Thanks for summarizing the benefits of publishing to the Windows Store Amelia. As you’ve called out, there is no need to re-write your existing app, as you’re simply creating a new trusted installer package on the Windows Store. This would be easy for folks to find, easy to install, and would essentially be “blessed” by Microsoft as being virus free. As I offered in my original email to Marc, Microsoft would be happy to help do all the technical work required to get this packed up and published to the store. Our team has done initial testing and we haven’t identified any issues with the Windows Desktop Bridge version of Inkscape. We’d like to validate that with you, and guide you through the process of publishing it to the Windows Store. I’ve included some folks from my team who can help answer some of your technical questions in depth, but here is an initial set of answers to your questions. *What additional maintenance work is required by having a second installer package?* /We’d help you get the initial package published to the Windows Store. Which is a web form where you specific your product store description, tags, an feature information, along with upload your initial app package. The Windows Store has a system for differential/autoupdates which you could take advantage of every time you create a new version of the app. That would re-publishing any updates to the app to the Windows Store when you have new updates. If you have an existing build process we can help guide you thoruhg some best practices for building for Windows Store in an automated way. / / / *Will inskcape scripts and extensions still work, cmd etc?* /I believe these features will work, but we’d love your support testing these out. If there are any gotchas with the Windows Store version, these can be communicated on the product description page where the users download/install the Inscape app. We could set up a virtual machine with the a version of the Inkscape app Windows Desktop Bridge that you could party on to identify if there are any issues/ / / *Does the windows store provide a way to give information about Inkscape and the organization* /Yes, you’ll have full control over the text content that you list on the product description page for Inkscape, including icon, screenshots, description, system requirements, and category, developer website and support links. There wouldn’t be a way to provide a “donate” link directly in your description page but you could mention that Inkscape is an Open Source community supported project, and people could use the Publisher link to provide donations. After your initial publish, in the future, you could experiment with publishing a second “paid” version of the app to collect donations, but I recommend that we first proceed with free version so you can evaluate and learn from the process. You could make changes to your app to ask for donations on initial launch, but that wouldn’t necessarily be specific to the Windows Store app (unless you wanted it to )./ _Next steps_ * I recommend we get together for a skype/phone discussionwith one or more people from the Inkscape community who would want to drive this. Would that be *Amelia and Marc? *We could meet on the phone next week at a time that is convenient to you. * If you’d like we can provide a remote Virtual Machine where you can play with the Windows Desktop Bridge version of Inkscape we created for initial testing. This way you can identify if there are any feature gaps * Besides the documentation, another example of a Windows Desktop Bridge app that we helped publish is the Arduino IDE, can see the product description page, and install it (if you have a Windows 10 PC) here: https://www.microsoft.com/store/apps/9nblggh4rsd8. Inkscape is a fairly low-level Win32 app with USB device and command line access so it’s a fairly good proof test for an app like Inkscape Since the Windows Desktop Bridge is newly launched, there is a fairly limited time window we have developer resources to commit to helping here, so if you’d like to proceed, we’d love to help you in April or late May at the latest. I hope this answers your questions and we look forward to opportunity to help you make this happen. David Washington Director Developer Experience Microsoft 206-605-2062 dwashin@...3499...<mailto:dwashin@...3499...> *From:*Amelia Bellamy-Royds [mailto:amelia.bellamy.royds@...400...] *Sent:* Thursday, March 30, 2017 10:52 AM *To:* Inkscape Devel List <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> *Cc:* Marc Jeanmougin <marc@...3062...>; David Washington <David.Washington@...3499...> *Subject:* Re: [Inkscape-devel] Offer to help put inkscape on windows store It seems to me there are two benefits of the Windows Store: - Discoverability. You may not know a lot of people who use the app store, but you're probably coming from a biased perspective of an experienced computer developer. For less tech-savvy users, this is one way they discover new programs. - Trust. Many users have rightly been warned against downloading and running arbitrary executables from the Internet. I think the Trust factor of Inkscape's official download pages is pretty good (certainly a step up from SourceForge with all its pop-up ads), but again: for new computer users, the Windows store is a strong marker that this is a real, safe program. (Which Microsoft enforces with signing requirements and sandboxing limitations.) I would urge everyone not to get overly caught up in the "app" terminology. An app is just an application, a program, some software, renamed thanks to Apple's massive advertising campaign of the last decade. Yes, many modern apps also share other features (like relying on internet services), or a certain mobile-focused look & feel, but that isn't essential, and isn't what is being proposed here. One way to think of the Windows Desktop Bridge seems to simply be a new installer package, one that plays well with the Windows store and modern notifications and update methods on Windows. Functionally, the main change is that the software is sandboxed when running, so that all file system access goes through the app wrapper. Docs for Windows Desktop Bridge are here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/porting/desktop-to-uwp-root My remaining questions would be: - In addition to the development time required to initially set up the Windows Desktop Bridge (Which David at Microsoft has offered to help with), how much additional maintenance work will be created by having a second Windows installer package? How much administrative complexity will be created by working with the Windows store? - Will Inkscape scripts & extensions still work with a sandboxed application? What about command line features? If some features won't be available, how will this be communicated to users? Could there be some way to let someone upgrade to "developer mode"? - Does the Windows store provide an environment for successfully communicating the key features of the project, linking to additional resources, and requesting donations? Alternatively, as Martin suggested, could some of this information be more effectively integrated into the app itself (such as a splash screen on load)? (I agree with Marc that putting an obligatory price on app store downloads would effectively be penalizing new or less-savvy users. If it is possible to add an optional donation to the download page, that would be great, but it shouldn't be free if downloaded from one site and paid from another.)

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Error with PNG export
by Christian-W. Budde 15 Apr '17

15 Apr '17

Hello, with the latest win64 developer versions (r15615 and r15412) it's not possible for me to export SVG to PNGs any more. While I haven't been able to debug it, I can only provide the error message, which reads something like this: "Could not export file [filename]" (where filename is the filename I specified) (In fact the error message is in German and originally reads "Konnte nicht als Datei [FileName] exportieren,") I'm not sure if it's just my system or whether this affects all versions, but I thought I should let you know. Kind regards, Christian

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slow dragging on Windows
by Yale Zhang 10 Apr '17

10 Apr '17

I've noticed dragging objects has become very slow (the refresh rate is very low) in trunk. I did a binary search and found the culprit is revision 15531 (Disable GTK3 "client side decorations" on Windows by setting "GTK_CSD=0"). Eduard, are you seeing this? Do you think it's fundamentally caused by disabling CSD or incidentally by some bug in GTK+? -Yale

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Python GUI in Inkscape extension
by Martin Owens 09 Apr '17

09 Apr '17

On Sun, 2017-04-09 at 18:19 +0200, Lukáš Haberzettl wrote: > Ok, thak you for all the informations. And what about writing > extension directly in code (c++)? It should be possible to write more > complex UI right ? I have intermediate experience in C and C++ > programming so it is not problem for me, but I want to know if its > right way to do it. This is possible and there are extensions in inkscape's codebase. Although I hesistate to call them plugins since they have to be compiled into the inkscape program. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Python GUI in Inkscape extension
by Lukáš Haberzettl 09 Apr '17

09 Apr '17

Hi guys, I am writing Inkscape extension and I found out that I definitely need more complex UI elements (such as file browser, textarea etc. ) than these, that offers INX file format. I was experimenting with using Python GUI package (Tkinter) together with standard Inkscape extension file, but there is no possibility, at the moment when Tkinter is running, to interact with Inkscape interface. Is there any possibility to have python GUI and can interact with Inkscape objects at the same time ? Sorry for my english. Thank you, Lukas Haberzettl

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For those who uses Windows for compiling Inkscape
by Miguel Lopez 07 Apr '17

07 Apr '17

Hi those who meets the criteria, I would like to know how to recompile via MSYS2, and check if there is a latest version out there.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Tr : SVG to FXG XSL
by Nicolas Dufour 04 Apr '17

04 Apr '17

Le Mardi 4 avril 2017 10h25, Eduard Braun <eduard.braun2@...173...> a écrit : > as long as you're the sole author you can add as many licenses as you > want (in which case Judah is free to choose a license when re-using your > code). I'm the sole author. So I could indeed choose the license I wish. But I'm not very attached to code ownership in FLOSS project, and consider that my code is owned by the Inkscape project. In that context I need to be sure that dual-licensing it would not hurt the project (e.g. by limiting contributions). Is there any case of dual licensing in the actual code? (A quick grep returned no positive result, but maybe I didn't format it correctly.) Le Mardi 4 avril 2017 12h36, Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> a écrit : > It might be better to license it as GPLv2 or GPLv3, since I believe > GPLv3 is compatible with Apache2. > > https://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html Yes, but if I remember correctly we're trying to get rid of the Gimp rulers code because of its GPLv3 license. And apparently GPLv2 and Apache licenses are not compatible (according to http://gplv3.fsf.org/wiki/index.php/Compatible_licenses#GPLv2-compatible_li…). So even if it's possible, would it be acceptable for the Inkscape project to have parts of its code dual licensed with GPLv2 and Apache License v2. Regards, -- Nicolas

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Tr : SVG to FXG XSL
by Nicolas Dufour 04 Apr '17

04 Apr '17

Forwarding to the inkscape-devel list. Hi all, I'm not a license expert. Could anyone tell Judah if it's possible to dual license (GPL2/Apache) the SVG to FXG extension? Thanks. -- Nicolas Le Jeudi 30 mars 2017 8h52, flex capacitor <flexcapacitor@...400...> a écrit : Hi Nicolas, I came across your SVG to FXG stylesheet and I would like to use it for a project but I noticed the license is GNU GPL. From what I understand it may not be compatible with the Apache License I'm using for my software. To prevent any issues would you grant me a license to use your stylesheet under an Apache License? In any case I will be submitting any modifications of it back to open source. Best Regards, Judah Frangipane

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Canvas tile size and rendering speed.
by Tavmjong Bah 04 Apr '17

04 Apr '17

Hi, It's been known for a while that rendering when zooming in on an area with filters is slow. This is due to Inkscape breaking the canvas into tiles and rendering each tile separately. Filter effects are recalculated for each tile that they touch. A typical canvas for maximized Inkscape window on a 1080p monitor is broken into about 25 tiles. If you are zoomed in so that the filter extends over the entire visible canvas, you are recalculating the filter effect 25 times. I've added a preference under the "Rendering" tab to change the relative tile size (Rendering tile multiplier). Please play with changing the value for your most complex drawings. I am most interested in cases where a large multiplier has a negative impact. If there are no cases with a negative impact, I'll set the default value higher (it is currently 1). Tav

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Bug GitLab import update
by Martin Owens 02 Apr '17

02 Apr '17

Dear Developers, I've been working on getting the inkscape-web bugs moved over from launchpad to GitLab. The code for doing this is pretty much there, but there is one serious limitations. It's not possible to set users to anyone but myself for /anything/. So that's everything from bug creator, assignee to commenter. This is because our project is on Gitlab.com where I'm (obviously) not an administrator. Admin access on one's own hosting of gitlab is a prerequisite for importing data with users other than your own. It makes sense that I can't assign three hundred bugs to some unwilling party, but it's a bit annoying. The closest I can get is to use a new gitlab.com user I've created called 'lpuser' it's an account I can bless with project privileges and then let it own all launchpad posts from the transition. Prefacing the content/description of the bug or comment with "originally posted by ~username on launchpad" Before I commit to importing the launchpad inkscape-web bugs under this user. Does anyone else have any ideas to try? Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Development Project Management System GSOC 2017
by Rohit Lodha 01 Apr '17

01 Apr '17

Hi all, I have finished updating the proposal according to the suggestions in the comments and ordering it in the correct way. I want anyone of you to go through the same on the GSOC website. I want to finalize the proposal before the deadline. If you have any other suggestion to improve the proposal, I would really appreciate it. Here is the link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1of5vp37rHbTysXCG0QOaSb2g-_koaWfdcy0dNn0… Regards, Rohit

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Canvas tile size and rendering speed.
by Miguel Lopez 01 Apr '17

01 Apr '17

Yes, I did. Gonna forward this one to inkscape-devel. By the way, I would like to add I saw Tavmjong Bah's reply about the cores being used. Another question here, is Inkscape use only one core at this moment for everything? Then, if so, should threads settings be reduced to 2? If yes, why is there a option for more threads? On 4/1/2017 6:17 AM, C R wrote: Did you mean to reply to the list? :) On 1 Apr 2017 01:44, "Miguel Lopez" <reptillia39@...3425...<mailto:reptillia39@...3425...>> wrote: I use a i7 CPU, and it is 6-core/12 threads. As a matter of fact, Inkscape seem to support at maximum of 8 threads and a rendering cache of up to 4098 MB. Is that limitation addressed? As far as zooming level go, rasterization of filters is how Illustrator managed to keep their rendering speed quick as possible. But, I don't think it'll help too much with the current Inkscape as it is now. They also support GPU acceleration. I wonder if that's within any reach of Inkscape as of now. On 3/31/2017 6:33 PM, C R wrote: > Okay, so yes, for me increasing the rendering tile multiplier value > from the default of 1 up through about 10 turns several seconds of > redraw time into instantaneous. > I work in Inkscape on a laptop with 4 cores, but values greater than 4 > still have a significant impact on the speed. > > I used a file with a single object containing 94000 nodes in it, > blurred and zoomed to %3178. > > Results: > > 1 = 4 second redraw > 2 = 2 second redraw > 3 = 1 second redraw > 4 = .75 second redraw > 5 = .5 second redraw > 6 = .25 second redraw > 7+ = no visible delay unless moving > > It's a bit hard to tell the redraw speed while moving the view because > Cairo seems to mess the preview at this zoom level if you are moving > the view. > > Another effect of increasing this multiplier is that you can now zoom > in to a point where Inkscape core dumps (segmentation fault). Wereas > before, you were just stuck waiting endlessly for your canvas to > redraw. Neither is great, and there should probably be something in > place to keep the user from zooming past what their machine hardware > can handle safely. > > Hope it helps! > -C > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@...8...<mailto:tavmjong@...8...>> wrote: >> On Thu, 2017-03-30 at 23:55 +0200, Vladimir Savic wrote: >>> Hi Tav and others! >>> >>> Thanks for your hard work. I appreciate it really. Looking forward to >>> other improvements. >>> >>> Can you please try Yale`s patch for multithreaded rendering we talked >>> on this list already. I think it is possible to find it in some >>> meiling list thread, but in case you can`t, I`ll find it myself >>> tomorow when I come to my desktop computer. It does wonders on this >>> i7 6700 processor. >> I do want to look at this but won't have time till the end of April. >> Keep after me if it doesn't get merged. >> >> Tav >> >>> Vlada >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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