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Re: [Inkscape-devel] gtk wheel
by bulia byak 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

>I've got my reinvented wheel about ready. > >Should I go ahead and push it in this weekend? Why not - if you think it's ready for the release, or can be readied quickly :) I would love to see it and criticize it :) _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: default document
by bulia byak 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

I checked in the Tutorial command in the Help menu. It simply opens tutorial.svg from INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR, where it is put by "make install" from icons/. Feel free to change the directory structure; I don't know hot to properly modify makefiles, so I just listed tutorial.svg next to about.svg in icons/makefile.am and it seems to work. Win32 build files may need updating, too. The tutorial is very preliminary, but I think I will finish it before the release. Suggestions welcome. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Update on Inkscape release plan
by Bryce Harrington 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

It sounds like there's a desire to push the release back a week, due mainly to concerns about mail trouble from the virus. Bryce

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RE: default document
by bulia byak 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

What's wrong with the list? I don't see any mail in it since yesterday. >The idea was to have inkscape check for ~/.inkscape/default.svg and open >that for "run without any parameters", and if ~/.inkscape/default.svg >were missing, to use the system wide default.svg given in >doc/default.svg. This gives us the ability for users to start with >their prefered document options (such as page size, colour, etc). The >tutorial should explain how this works so that the user can change the >default easily (checkbox in save?). We almost have it already. It now works via the default namedview template in preferences.xml. It allows you to set paper size, color, border width & shadow, grid and guide options, plus zoom and center of view. As for easy setting, I think now the best approach is to add a "save as template" button in the Document Options doalog, now that I've collected all document options into one dialog. Ultimately, we'll need a support for multiple external templates and a "new for template" option, but for now the template in preferences.xml is good enough I think. >I'm suggesting we try and get this in for this release, particularly if >someone can work on the tutorial to explain some of the features that >people tend to miss when they first try out inkscape(knots, offsets, >printing to .ps). I'm writing to you because you would be the best >person to implement the logic for this (I think?). So the logic is mostly there, except for the button, which should not be difficult to add. But you can edit your template in preferences already, and it may make sense to mention this in docs somewhere... but on the other hand, keyboard shortcuts are more important, and we still don't have them in the Help menu. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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default document
by MenTaLguY 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

For some reason nathan's mail isn't getting through -- he asked me to forward this: Subject: default document From: Nathan Hurst <njh@...32...> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:34:41 +1100 To: bulia byak <bulia@...23...>, inkscape <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> Hi Bulia, sometime ago we discussed the idea of making a default document open when inkscape is first installed, perhaps only opening on the first time use of inkscape, perhaps until the user changes their default document settings. The idea was to have inkscape check for ~/.inkscape/default.svg and open that for "run without any parameters", and if ~/.inkscape/default.svg were missing, to use the system wide default.svg given in doc/default.svg. This gives us the ability for users to start with their prefered document options (such as page size, colour, etc). The tutorial should explain how this works so that the user can change the default easily (checkbox in save?). I'm suggesting we try and get this in for this release, particularly if someone can work on the tutorial to explain some of the features that people tend to miss when they first try out inkscape(knots, offsets, printing to .ps). I'm writing to you because you would be the best person to implement the logic for this (I think?). njh

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default document
by Nathan Hurst 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

for some reason this didn't arrive. njh

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fullscreen mode
by Johan C 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

Hi, I'm interested in coding on inkscape. I've coded for Worldforge together with Bryce. I've talked a bit with some developers on gristle.org and decided to hack in fullscreen mode and maybe patterns later on. If anyone can point me in the right direction for the fullscreen mode that'd be great. So far, I've seen a gtk_window_fullscreen function somewhere with a GDK_F mask shortcut. I'll make this F11 as in the keyboard shortcuts todo on wiki. People on gristle.org suggested putting in a menuitem for it in the View menu. Any suggestions are welcome. Johan

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fullscreen mode
by Johan Ceuppens 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

Hi, I'm interested in coding on inkscape. I've coded for Worldforge together with Bryce. I've talked a bit with the developers on gristle.org and decided to hack in fullscreen mode and maybe patterns later on. If anyone can point me in the right direction for the fullscreen mode that'd be great. So far, I've seen a gtk_window_fullscreen function somewhere with a GDK_F mask shortcut. I'll make this F11 as in the keyboard shortcuts todo on wiki. People on gristle.org suggested putting in a menuitem for it in the View menu. Any suggestions are welcome. Johan

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default document
by Nathan Hurst 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

Hi Bulia, sometime ago we discussed the idea of making a default document open when inkscape is first installed, perhaps only opening on the first time use of inkscape, perhaps until the user changes their default document settings. The idea was to have inkscape check for ~/.inkscape/default.svg and open that for "run without any parameters", and if ~/.inkscape/default.svg were missing, to use the system wide default.svg given in doc/default.svg. This gives us the ability for users to start with their prefered document options (such as page size, colour, etc). The tutorial should explain how this works so that the user can change the default easily (checkbox in save?). I'm suggesting we try and get this in for this release, particularly if someone can work on the tutorial to explain some of the features that people tend to miss when they first try out inkscape(knots, offsets, printing to .ps). I'm writing to you because you would be the best person to implement the logic for this (I think?). njh

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RE: Inkscape minor changes I'd like before the next release (if acceptable)
by bulia byak 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

> > > > No. Arrows are for moving. Rotation is different and needs different > > >keys. > >How about using Ctrl+R for rotation through 90 degrees? (I use that a >whole lot more often than the small rotations anyway). Why ctrl-] is any worse? And if you decide you want to rotate it back, you only need to press ctrl-[. Whereas with ctrl-r, you'd have to do ctrl-r three more times :) >Ctrl+R is >currently used by Show Rulers and only becuase I cannot think of anything >better I'd suggest using Ctrl+Shift+R for Show Rulers because at least >then it would be the same as the GIMP. And ctrl-r in Gimp is what? > > Because I may want to pan regardless of any selection, of course! > >You might want to, you dont sound all that certain. Really, I pan with ctrl-arrows ALL THE TIME. When the doc is just loaded and there's no selection. When I have a selection and want to better center it. And in a million of other cases :) >I've just noticed that the Up and Down Arrow Keys currently Zoom in and >Out (when used without any modifier keys) and I would have expected them >to be available for Panning when nothing was selected. They're not supposed to, it's a bug which I will fix shortly. It does not affect selector and node tool. >I'd think that Up and Down would be best not used for Zooming. Sure. >For Zooming it would be better to just have >Zoom In + (and also =) as well as Ctrl++ (and Ctrl+=) Sorry, ctrl++ is already "union". It's easy to remember that ctrl with four math operators means four boolean functions. >Zoom Out - as well as Ctrl+- Ctrl+- is "subtract" >(the use of both + and = is to avoid the nasty differences between QWERTY >and AZERTY keyboards) and with Zoom having this generous selection of >shorcuts Yes. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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can't compile
by bulia byak 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

select-context.cpp: In function `gint sp_select_context_root_handler(SPEventContext*, GdkEvent*)': select-context.cpp:386: error: cannot convert `const NR::Point' to `double' for argument `2' to `void sp_rubberband_start(SPDesktop*, double, double)' make[3]: *** [select-context.o] Error 1 _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] win32 icon problem
by bulia byak 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

>These are all now fuzzy, poor colour contrast and much less clear than >previous icons. My guess is that they are not "new icons". There was no icons change on Linux recently. Most likely, the Win build is just broken because of the recent directory renames and thus uses wrong icons. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] gtk wheel
by bulia byak 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

>I also make a motion to remove the GTK color that makes the fill/stroke >palette to massive in the release. Agree? Disagree? Obviously, we will >add back in once the custom gtk color wheel is finished. Disagree, as I wrote just a few days ago. I use it all the time. Do not remove unless you have a fully functional replacement. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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win32 icon problem
by bulia byak 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Bob, in Inkscape0401280318.zip there's some problem with icons: they are all different from Linux version and often disappear (leaving black squares). Maybe something related to the recent glade/icons rename? Could you please have a look? _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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filters menu
by MenTaLguY 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Would anyone object if we removed the (mostly non-functional) Filters menu for the release? (When we bring it back, we'll need to call it something else anyway -- we plan on implementing SVG Filters eventually, and those are a totally different thing) -mental

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ted, your abstract
by Jonathan Phillips 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Ted, this is a reminder tody to not forget your abstract at work. It would be a good read... Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Prep for releasing Inkscape 0.37
by bulia byak 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

> > Can you please post these numbers, just out of curiosity? As well as > > probably SP 0.33 numbers and our 0.36 numbers? That would give us a >sense of > > competition, which is always good :) > >Btw, I've been keeping more detailed track of metrics on our website at >http://www.inkscape.org/status/. Oh, that one I know - thanks for keeping it up, it's really interesting. But the comparison to Sodipodi is more thrilling :) We must beat SP 0.33 downloads. We have everything needed for that. I think we lagged behind with 0.36 simply because the Windows build was not ready in time, and Windows downloads are massive. Now we must push our no-hassle Windows builds more aggressivly. >Also, I suspect when we move CVS off of SourceForge it will reduce our >SF rank subsequent to that. Not really - I read that they are not counting CVS activity due to some issue. What can probably affect our rank is our posting the release news via the news tracker (this wasn't done for the last release). _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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code cleanup
by Jonathan Phillips 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Also, after doing this conversion from glade -> icons, it is actually a really good idea to document your code cleanup performaed to each file. Don't forget (I think I'm reminding myself). Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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glade naming changed to icons
by Jonathan Phillips 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Hello all, I'm changing globally all references to glade, except in the logs of course. I'm about to commit my changes, and am adding a big Changelog of every file touched so that you can complain to me if something is wrong and we can track it down without a rollback. Thanks, Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape on Windows
by bulia byak 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

>I have GTK 2.2.4-2 (from the Gimp web site) installed, which is the >official version for Windows. However, when I try to install Inkscape, it >quits the installer, asking me to install GTK2. Are you using 0.36 installer? If so wait for 0.37, or grab a recent build here: http://troi.lincom-asg.com/~rjamison/inkscape/ These new builds do not require any external libraries. Just unzip and run. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] transforms
by bulia byak 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

>HOWEVER, please do not take the "auto-flattening" transforms behavior any >further -- particularly, don't apply group transformations to group >members instead. That way lies madness and severe numerical problems >(errors will accumulate rapidly over time). Think what will happen when we use groups as layers, and what is happening already now that it's possible to select within group. For example: - group some objetcs - move and scale the group - select an object within group - copy - paste The transformation is lost. Also see this bug: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=867521&group_id=9… How do you propose to solve these problems without propagating transforms within groups? Especially given that groups may nest arbitrarily deep? >Also bear in mind the expectations of users who use Inkscape to make >trivial edits to existing (possibly hand-structured) SVG files. They will be able to work in the global "preserve" mode. >I would prefer instead that transforms were _never_ flattened unless >explicitly requested. That's what "preserve" mode is for. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Prep for releasing Inkscape 0.37
by bulia byak 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

>1. First, there are a couple last code cleanup tasks that remain: We > need to remove the #if 0 code, and we need volunteers for that. I would prefer that this not be done in a hurry. You must thoroughly understand the piece of code before removing anything, because it may be actually very helpful. Just recently there were several occasions where I reused the old #if0 code, revising and upgrading it, as I was hacking the corresponding files. Without those #if0, my work would probably have been more difficult. So I propose to not try to do all of this for the release, but instead keep doing it as we go - once some part of code is significantly touched by someone, remind him/her to clean up dead code there. >4. Lastly is to get word out about this release. We have tasks > identified in the roadmap for doing this. A suitable goal would be > to match the Sodipodi 0.32 page view and download numbers. Can you please post these numbers, just out of curiosity? As well as probably SP 0.33 numbers and our 0.36 numbers? That would give us a sense of competition, which is always good :) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Proposal: Consider CVS Provider Change
by Bryce Harrington 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

As all SF-using developers know, SF CVS has been partly or totally unavailable for much of the past week. It is possible SF will overcome their current problems and things will greatly stabilize and finally become highly reliable. However, past experience coupled with knowledge of the company's uncertain financial situation suggest this is unlikely to be the case and that we can expect trouble to come. I would like to propose that if when SF CVS returns, we do not have adequate confidence that they'll be highly stable, that we then proceed with a plan to shift to a different CVS provider. There are many different alternatives to consider for CVS providers, each with their own pros and cons. If we go this route I suggest we assemble a set of requirements we would have for a provider, and then judge various options against them. Bryce

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] 'HACKING' file updated
by bulia byak 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

>Mmm, good thought. What if we replace the NEWS page with the latest >Release Notes from the Wiki, Yes - just add to the release algorithm: Take the latest release notes from the wiki, format as text, and place as the NEWS file in the root. Speaking of which, I've just rearranged the release notes a bit, and it would be nice to add more stuff to Internals, Ports, and Infrastructure sections. Can you think something up? We probably also need an intro paragraph and a Known issues section. >and remove the TODO list entirely (maybe >moving relevant items into RFE's or the Roadmap?) Most items there are "DONE", and those which are not are pretty obscure - obviously Lauris was writing that for himself. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] 'HACKING' file updated
by bulia byak 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

>I've rewritten the old (Sodipodi) HACKING file to make it shorter and to >briefly outline our development philosophy for those wanting to get >involved in the future. I've enclosed it below for review. Good work, thanks! Now it would be great to revise (or remove?) the old NEWS and TODO files... _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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