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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkboard linking/dependencies
by Montgomery, Steven S 04 Feb '05

04 Feb '05

No, we don't have our code linking normally. Since it was such a brickwall for our progress, we moved the Jabber code into a file we added under dialogs(where it was being called from). Obviously this links, but we definitely would like to separate the code back out how it should be. I've seen some recent posts about automake 1.9 causing problems for some people. Perhaps that is our issue as well? It's not clear to me where our documents would be appropriate in the Inkscape Wiki. However, we do have all of our documents and sourcecode available online. The documentation is at http://inkboard.sourceforge.net and our code is in the Sourceforge CVS(/cvsroot/inkboard/). The Inkboard module is the correct one(we plan to clean up the CVS repository at some point). Steven Montgomery

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkboard linking/dependencies
by Montgomery, Steven S 04 Feb '05

04 Feb '05

Ok, the code DID link fine, but it was because it included the .cpp instead of .h. So, we're still having problems linking. Steven -----Original Message----- From: inkscape-devel-admin(a)lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:inkscape-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Montgomery, Steven S Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 3:21 PM To: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkboard linking/dependencies Actually, I just confirmed that we're running automake 1.7. And it just linked fine a second ago. So, the latest version of code is in the CVS. Steven -----Original Message----- From: inkscape-devel-admin(a)lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:inkscape-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Montgomery, Steven S Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 2:59 PM To: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkboard linking/dependencies No, we don't have our code linking normally. Since it was such a brickwall for our progress, we moved the Jabber code into a file we added under dialogs(where it was being called from). Obviously this links, but we definitely would like to separate the code back out how it should be. I've seen some recent posts about automake 1.9 causing problems for some people. Perhaps that is our issue as well? It's not clear to me where our documents would be appropriate in the Inkscape Wiki. However, we do have all of our documents and sourcecode available online. The documentation is at http://inkboard.sourceforge.net and our code is in the Sourceforge CVS(/cvsroot/inkboard/). The Inkboard module is the correct one(we plan to clean up the CVS repository at some point). Steven Montgomery ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag-&-drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag-&-drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkboard linking/dependencies
by Montgomery, Steven S 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

Actually, I just confirmed that we're running automake 1.7. And it just linked fine a second ago. So, the latest version of code is in the CVS. Steven -----Original Message----- From: inkscape-devel-admin(a)lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:inkscape-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Montgomery, Steven S Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 2:59 PM To: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkboard linking/dependencies No, we don't have our code linking normally. Since it was such a brickwall for our progress, we moved the Jabber code into a file we added under dialogs(where it was being called from). Obviously this links, but we definitely would like to separate the code back out how it should be. I've seen some recent posts about automake 1.9 causing problems for some people. Perhaps that is our issue as well? It's not clear to me where our documents would be appropriate in the Inkscape Wiki. However, we do have all of our documents and sourcecode available online. The documentation is at http://inkboard.sourceforge.net and our code is in the Sourceforge CVS(/cvsroot/inkboard/). The Inkboard module is the correct one(we plan to clean up the CVS repository at some point). Steven Montgomery ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag-&-drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Need to hunt things down
by Jon A. Cruz 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

I'm 'bout off to work, but I remembered something that just needs a little help from extra eyes. One of our problems with reading and writing files with names containing characters outside of the 7-bit ASCII range is with library and/or API calls that take filenames directly. Our uses of fopen have been mainly fixed, as are some of the pass-it-a-filename calls. However... there might be a few places that still pass a filename on directly. Could people take a quick peek to see if we have spots where that happens? For things to work well, we have to do one of two things 1) Convert filenames from UTF-8 to filename encoding before calling 2) open the file and pass the API an open file or a data source (depending on the needs of the API). #1 will work for Linux, but *not* Windows XP and friends, since all characters possible on the filesystem can't be respresented in the current ANSI codepage. If anyone has a chance and can find a few of the lingering places, I can go in more quickly tonight and fix them. Thanks.

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node editing
by Jakub Steiner 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

Hi folks, I've already filed a request to be able to edit nodes of multiple objects. The reasoning behind this is that I constantly change shape of a drawing and that mostly consist of multiple overlaid objects so all of those need to be changed (currently one by one). I do, however like the way Inkscape restricts node selection within an object too. So I think the following behaviour would work best -- you could only select from the shown nodes as it is now. But apart from working on a single object, Inkscape would also allow to select multiple objects first, then change to node editing and have nodes from all selected objects selectable. Does that make sense? If we had a nice floating dock of the object tree, an object locking mechanism may be just as effective (lock uninteresting objects first, node select working on all objects). But we don't ;) -- Jakub Steiner <jimmac@...659...>

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status & plans
by bulia byak 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

Looks like the drawing tools crash (1107922) is going to be fixed soon. The other crash bug (1113187) seems to be easy, and the svgz loading on windows is a matter of supplying a correct DLL. So, we're close. Once all these are resolved, I think we need to make one prerelease which would be tested for 2-3 days, and then do the final release if nothing critical is found. This time I'd very much like the prerelease to have a Windows binary as well (0.40 prereleases didn't). Will someone be willing to provide it?

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new bugs
by bulia byak 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

I consider these two bugs to be MUSTFIX as well: - the one found by Kees (without pref file, objects are drawn black), see my post with more details on why this happens - the new crash on load: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1113187&group_id=9… The first of these bugs appears mild, but they both are in the new repr code by Mental and therefore may be signs of something more sinister which we haven't found yet. And both are regressions compared to 0.40. Mental, will you please look into them? If you need my help I'll do what I can, though currently I'm swamped by work.

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typos and a translation question
by Arpad Biro 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

Hi, A typo in src/extension/extension.cpp: beacuse Double colon in src/extension/dependency.cpp: out_file << _("Dependency::") << std::endl; Also a question: in this piece of code from src/extension/dependency.cpp: gchar const * Dependency::_location_str[] = { N_("path"), N_("extensions"), N_("absolute") does "path" mean "filesystem path" (as opposed to "vector path")? Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

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Papers on Inkscape
by Bryce Harrington 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

Hi all, A week ago we talked about Inkscape technical papers. Several people were interested in writing on particular relevant topics, which is great! I think we should make several attempts, that way if some aren't accepted, we'll have multiple chances. Here's what to do if you're interested: 1. First, read through this email and think about a) what you would like to write on, and b) which conference(s) you'd like to author or co-author a paper for. Reply back here with this info, so co-authors can link up. 2. Next, look at their Call for Papers and see what they require for submitting a proposal (some just need abstracts, others need paper drafts), and when the due date is. Also look through their archives to see examples of types of papers that conference accepts. 3. Make a first stab at a short abstract. It should state in 1-3 paragraphs everything that the paper will discuss. Doesn't have to be perfect. :-) 4. If you want to work on the paper in a version control system, please feel free to create a subdir in the inkscape_project CVS module. It sounds like papers could be written on the following topics. I would be interested in co-authoring on any of these papers. Packaging Inkscape on Linux: Autopackager and Other Options ============================================================ Mike Hearn is interested in a paper that presents Autopackager and tells how it has provided a convenient option for Linux users to try. We can compare and contrast our experiences with it along with other packaging options, including use of (near-)static binaries. There are probably other related issues we could discuss, such as the C++ ABI change that caused problems on gentoo, and maybe our experiences with portability of Gtk apps to Windows and OSX. Quality Control in Open Source Desktop Linux Applications ========================================================= Kees is interested in writing up something related to bug fixing in Inkscape. I think there's a really engaging story in how over the course of a year we went from a codebase plagued with bugs and crashes, we were able to stabilize it and achieve a level where today reviewers remark that they "simply could not get it to crash". :-) Part of the story could explain how we rely on and use the bug tracker to prevent any bug from slipping through the cracks unexamined. Another part I think would be worth describing is how we include the larger community as teammembers in the process. Encouraging users to file bugs, showing them how to use gdb for making back traces, and involving them with validating our patches (perhaps via the nightly snapshots) is something that seems like a really obvious process, but a lot of projects and companies don't know how this works, so our experiences with making it work will be valuable. Drawing File Format Conversion Scripting in Inkscape ==================================================== Ted is interested in a paper describing our scripting system, and the clever ways we've been able to bend other open source applications to do our bidding. We can describe the crude stdin/stdout extension mechanism that we've been using for the last year to add support for various kinds of file formats, and describe the successes and problems we've seen. Also, it would be valuable to outline some of the other ways we've looked at extending Inkscape, including the ECMA and DOM work Ishmal's been doing (esp. if he'd be willing to participate in the paper). I think this paper would have a huge side benefit in that it'd give us really good motivation to create a complete but concise piece of documentation on our extension system. Since we have several upcoming milestones focusing on extensions, this would probably help in firming up those efforts. It would also gain us something we can give to new developers that would like to extend Inkscape. This might be a good OSCON paper. Best Practice in Open Source Graphic Design =========================================== Andy is interested in helping out with a paper on graphic design, and thinks this could be a good collaboration with Scribus as well. The paper would explain the benefits of using SVG for illustration, and explore reasons and methodology. This could be a good way to showcase examples of the more complex uses that Inkscapers have put the tool to use. I know that people recognize Inkscape can be used for simple, small scale stuff, but I think a lot of people aren't aware of the huge, complex, beautiful works that some folks have done with Inkscape (Scislac's work, for instance). Some other ideas for possible things worth mentioning in a paper like this: The Deviant Art Inkscape group, OCAL, SVG compatibility between other tools/projects (cairo, batik, illustrator, oodraw, et al), bitmap tracing tricks, node and gradient editing techniques, etc. This paper may be best given in a conference geared around art or svg, rather than a strictly technical convention, since it would be aiming at artists rather than developers. Rejon mentioned OpenSVG in the Netherlands, which might be a bit of a trip for most of us. This paper may be something that could be shopped out to several conferences, each near one of the authors (Australia, California, France...) so depending on which conference accepted it, we'd potentially have someone to present there. Conferences =========== Here's some info about what conferences are coming up, how much they cost, when things are due, etc. OSCON - O'Reilly Open Source Convention Proposals: Due Feb 13, 2005 Date: Aug 1-5, 2005 Loc: Portland, Oregon URL: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2005/ FOSSTEC - Int'l Symp on Free/Open Source Software, Technologies and Content Abstracts: Due March 2, 2005 (500-1500 words) Date: July 10-13, 2005 Loc: Orlando, Florida URL: http://www.iiisci.org/fosstec05/website/callforpapers.asp OpenSVG Papers: Due March 1st Date: Loc: Netherlands Cost: URL: http://www.svgopen.org/2005/registration.html LWE - Linux World and Expo, SF Proposals: Due March 22, 2005 Date: Aug 8-11, 2005 Loc: San Francisco URL: http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/speakers//callforpapers LWE tends to be sort of business-ish. The Autopackager paper may fit here, but the others would probably have a tougher chance. LISA Drafts: May 10, 2005 Date: Dec 4-9, 2005 Loc: San Diego, CA URL: http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa05/cfp/ STARWest - Software Testing Analysis & Review Proposals: Due May 20, 2005 Date: November 14-18, 2005 Loc: Anaheim, CA URL: http://www.sqe.com/starwest/speak.asp Might be good for the paper on our bug fixing process... And there's probably more conferences out there... Google around to see if there's an appropriate you think would be worth submitting a proposal to. Bryce

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkboard linking/dependencies
by Montgomery, Steven S 02 Feb '05

02 Feb '05

Yah, we had done that for the files in src and in dialogs. I don't think it was even attempting to build them before we edited the Makefile_insert files... Steven -----Original Message----- From: inkscape-devel-admin(a)lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:inkscape-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Bryce Harrington Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 3:30 PM To: Montgomery, Steven S Cc: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkboard linking/dependencies On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Montgomery, Steven S wrote: > Where/how do you set dependencies in the Inkscape makefile setup? When > integrating this new code(which is of course in it's own file) to be > called from a dialog, we're having issues with linking. It finds the > function definition, but then gives the following error: > dialogs/libspdialogs.a(inkboard-connect.o)(.text+0xa91): In function > `sp_inkboardConnect_dialog_inkboardConnect(_GObject*, _GObject*)': > dialogs/inkboard-connect.cpp:226: undefined reference to > `connect_and_auth(char*, char*, char*)' > > connect_and_auth is defined in src/inkboard.cpp and is called from > src/dialogs/inkboard-connect.cpp when the user clicks a button on the > new dialog. > > I ran mkfiles.pl and mkdep.pl. Make.dep lists inkboard-connect.o being > dependent on inkboard.h, but it's not picking up the function > definition. > > We appreciate any help/direction on this. Thanks, > Steven Hi Steven, Whenever you add a new file to the codebase, you need to add that file to the makefile as well. Look in src/Makefile_insert, and try adding a line to the libinkpre_a_SOURCES = .... section like this: inkboard.cpp inkboard.h \ You may also need to add inkboard-connect.cpp to the Makefile_insert in the src/dialogs directory as well. Bryce ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag-&-drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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