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Website design
by Jelle Mulder 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

Martin, It may have gotten some approval nods, but mine certainly isn't one of them. Responsive design is nice and all to have and something that needs to be addressed if it hasn't been done already, but this design doesn't cut it. I would also refrain from completely overhauling the current design aspects (colour, type) which are not bad at all. What I see here is a two or possibly 4 column collapsable design that has a splash screen with a download button and some icons on the bottom. All readable info would be off screen in case of a small factor screen. What's the point of that? There is no Android or iOS version of Inkscape, so that would be besides the point wouldn't it? You would only want to be able to read some info rather than the download button. Nor does it strike me as good practice to lard your entry page for smart phones with sizable bitmaps. In my view it just doesn't appeal, both from UI, UX and design point of view. Back to the drawingboard I'd say and give it some thought this time. The website design as it is has room for improvement from a marketing point of view, but in general is quite functional and to the point. Nor am I a great fan of the scrollmania that is so popular these days as a reflection of small factor readers. Single page view designs are still preferable to the hot swipe that goes around as fashionable and hip. Yes to responisive design, but why not make the current design responsive and not just by tossing it into bootstrap. Cheers, Jelle > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:51:25 -0500 > From: Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Website Design > To: inkscape-devel <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> > Cc: Hinerangi Courtenay <hine.courtenay@...36...>, inkscape-user > <inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net> > Message-ID: <1456329085.3092.11.camel@...2056...> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Yesterday Mc- brought up a design for the inkscape website which got a > few approval nods from various attending people: > > https://yadi.sk/i/CfqypzmvpPbay > > I contacted the designer at the time and just heard back. So what we > have here is a psd of a single page that flows downwards. I expect it to > assume a standard set of css frameworks such as bootstrap or similar. > > I also know that Hinerangi has some designs waiting in the wings for the > website and that we've stalled on moving more improvements in. > > I'm interested in hearing wider feedback from the community since I've > been under the impression that the website's design has been fairly > serviceable. A replacement would be a fair amount of work and at the > moment I'm only committed to making sure the technical integration of > any proposed design goes ahead without any barriers. > > What do you think we should do? > > Best Regards, Martin Owens >

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] inkscape text alignment icons
by Martin Owens 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

Dear Claus Staedtler, Thank you for emailing me :-) I think it's a good idea to harmonise where possible. Inkscape's icons are a mix between our icon packs (a tango theme and a symbolic mono-color) none of our themes have text alignment icons (only object alignment icons). In order to use the proposed icons they would have to be installed into the system's icon theme. What is the status of gimp and libreoffice regarding using system icons? Best Regards, Martin OWens P.S. I've forwarded this conversation to the inkscape developer's mailing list (without attachment) we can sort that out later. On Sun, 2016-01-03 at 11:44 +0100, staedtler-przyborski wrote: > Dear Martin Owens, > > first a happy new year > > I recently added to the new gimp symbolic icon theme some icons. > > As my idea is that inkscape/gimp/libre-office .... use the same symbolic > icons whenever they do the same (which is quite often not the case) > I've made additionally made some text-alignment icons for gimp (it uses > currently system-icon-theme, like inkscape). > > I thought inkscape might want to use these icons too (so they would be > identical in gimp and inkscape and libreoffice). > > I've added symbolic and colored icons as svg. The symbolic icons are > derived from libreoffice, you might want to correct the color (for what > reason ever, inkscape uses different gray than libreoffice and > libreoffice a different than gimp in their symbolic icon theme ..., > maybe someday in future this will be harmonized too). > > It's up to you to make use of them or put them into trash. > > Regards > > Klaus Staedtler >

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Website Design
by Martin Owens 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

Hi Hinerangi, Thanks so much for posting a screenshot of your design, I like it very much. What I like about your design is: * The colour theme, I've grown to like the white an black clean lines * The non-scrolling, single page, makes it easier to do information pages using the same * The news and other information is closer to the top. What I like about eshill's design is: * The four horizontal images for each of the sections * The cleaner download button, separate and large for the first page. * The icons for the information sections (news, users etc) But getting a responsive design would be really nice IMO. One of the best advances for the site. Martin, On Wed, 2016-02-24 at 17:51 +0000, Hinerangi Courtenay wrote: > Oh, I wasn't aware of this new redesign – I had a few propositions > going already, one which was posted to the mailing lists a little more > than a year ago > (https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2f988q3jqn2vbr/mockup-hp-2014-26-12_v0.1.png?dl=0), and a second which was being done directly in the HTML/CSS code (consulting with Martin directly). > > The second one was more of an evolution than a redesign, to make the > existing site work responsively and bring it up to date with current > aesthetics. I've attached a screenshot of the work-in-progress for > reference, but obviously if the community prefers to push it in a new > direction, that's cool too :)

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Inkscape Hackfest Status
by Sebastian Faubel 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

Hello Everybody, i just wanted to ask if there are any news about the Inkscape hackfest in April? Something like a fixed date or location? I ask because we need to book flights and schedule stuff.. ;) All the best, Sebastian *Semiodesk GmbH | *Werner-von-Siemens-Str. 6 Geb. 15k, 86159 Augsburg, Germany | Phone: +49 821 8854401 | Fax: +49 821 8854410 | www.semiodesk.com This e-mail message may contain confidential or legally privileged information and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). Any unauthorized disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying or the taking of any action in reliance on the information herein is prohibited. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, or contain viruses. Anyone who communicates with us by e-mail is deemed to have accepted these risks. Semiodesk GmbH is not responsible for errors or omissions in this message and denies any responsibility for any damage arising from the use of e-mail. Any opinion and other statement contained in this message and any attachment are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company.

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Rotation tool
by Jabiertxo Arraiza Cenoz 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

Hi any one could tell me if a SVG tag could contain a transform inside? I try it on 0.91+devel, the elements are transformed but the controls of items and the rubberband is not transformed. To get more on the idea to know if could be done, the tool is a rotation tool that rotate the draw from the cursor betweeen 360 degrees. There is also a angle constrain modiffier and a reset button. Basicaly need to know if is svg compilant the transform on svg tag. And if yes, how rotation and other trannsforms -only for info- affect to the viewbox? Cheers, Jabier. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/inkscape/+spec/rotating-whole-document https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/170498

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any predictions on when, or if, 'miter-clip join' will be implemented?
by alvinpenner 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

I see that the SVG 2 spec contains a new property called miter-clip. https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/painting.html#LineJoin Just wondering whether Inkscape, or any other renderers, are going to implement this, or have already implemented it? I ran into this by accident when trying to produce an svg representation of some spirograph bitmaps. The original spirographs came from https://sourceforge.net/projects/spirograph/ , I have attached a png screenshot of one here. The corresponding svg file that I produced is attached here as well. The svg file has some serious discrepancies at the line joins, which could possibly be fixed by the miter-clip, I hope, hence the question. 13_YellowCircles.png <http://inkscape.13.x6.nabble.com/file/n4975611/13_YellowCircles.png> 13_YellowCircles.svg <http://inkscape.13.x6.nabble.com/file/n4975611/13_YellowCircles.svg> Cheers, Alvin -- View this message in context: http://inkscape.13.x6.nabble.com/any-predictions-on-when-or-if-miter-clip-j… Sent from the Inkscape - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fwd: New Donate Link Graphics
by Martin Owens 23 Feb '16

23 Feb '16

Hey GR, OK so I fixed the graphics on the site, this was the difference between the two logos: * The inkscape logo was fatter (so preserve aspect ratio) * The white mark towards the lower middle was missing There was also some unintentional errors, with the black blobs not having a background white line. But Josh has said that the white lines and the grey colour are fine, as it the flat design. This is the closest we have to the required page: https://inkscape.org/en/about/trademark-policy/ Maybe we can add to it at the top with the icon/graphics package and the rules? Best Regards, Martin Owens On Tue, 2016-02-23 at 15:04 -0500, Golden Ribbon wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Golden Ribbon <water.ribbon@...400...> > Date: Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] New Donate Link Graphics > To: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...961...> > > > Josh Andler > > >To answer your questions regarding branding, no single person is > responsible for the branding, it has been a collective effort over the > years. > > > There really should be a dedicated page on the branding specs. If I > wanted to create something official for inkscape, problems like this > would eventually come-about again. Things to be included are official > hexadecimal colours - e.g. I see a shade of orange in the website and > in other inkscape affairs, has that shade been settled on?. the > Typeface for the "Draw freely" moto. and the official font for the > inkscape name... also things likes the logo as aforementioned, and its > variants (flat design) as well as the guide for icon creation. > > > I would be happy to construct that as well once I can get a link or > even a joint agreement on some aspects as admittedly things have been > settled over time and it maybe difficult to find true documentation of > the original ideas. > > > Regards, > > Phillip Taylor > > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Bryce Harrington > <bryce@...961...> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 10:27:01AM -0800, Josh Andler wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Martin Owens > <doctormo@...400...> wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 2016-02-23 at 09:21 -0800, Josh Andler wrote: > > > > Sorry about top posting but I have a HUGE issue with the > fact that the > > > > Inkscape logo was not used in those images. It resembles > the logo, but > > > > it is NOT our logo. It is not as clean as our logo. It > was immediately > > > > noticeable to me and it is not acceptable to dilute our > branding. > > > > > > Do you want the white back-line removed or can that stay? > > > > > > > The white line surrounding it isn't an issue, but I'd be > curious to see it > > both with and without. > > > > > > > > In the "branding" subfolder under "share", is a > "draw-freely.svg" that > > > > has our old flat logo which is what should be used. This > needs to be > > > > done ASAP so these incorrect ones are not redistributed. > > > > > > They won't be redistributed, the html code feeds into > fastly cache, so > > > unless people save them it's fine. > > > > > > I just tend to be concerned about people saving stuff which > is why I > > brought it up... so, I suppose redistributed was a worse > choice of words > > than available. :) > > Good catch, yes I agree this should be fixed. Do you think > it'll take > more than a day or two to get them fixed up? If it will take > longer, > should we perhaps hide these incorrect ones on the website? > Josh has a > good point that images posted to the internet can sometimes > get copied > around inadvertantly... > > Bryce > > > > > -- > > WebRep > Overall rating > > > > > > > Need Infographics? Check my website > > www.grtuts.com > > > > > > > -- > > WebRep > Overall rating > > > > > > > Need Infographics? Check my website > > www.grtuts.com > > >

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New Donate Link Graphics
by Martin Owens 23 Feb '16

23 Feb '16

Dear all, Thanks to Golden Ribbon (inkscape user and maker of recently good tutorials) he's provided to us some graphics for encouraging more donations through affiliate links. They look really nice too. I've just finished adding them to the English page on the website. If you go to https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/donate/ you will see the new images and the copy-paste html if you want to add a link to your own website to support inkscape. Golden Ribbon is also interested in making t-shirts and other mechanise; we don't yet have anyone (I know of) who is skilled or interested in looking into merchandise, but maybe if we had some nice designs someone would step forwards to add this feature. What are your thoughts? Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] New Donate Link Graphics
by Martin Owens 23 Feb '16

23 Feb '16

Thanks Golden Ribbon, Should we keep the list on google docs spreadsheet? On Tue, 2016-02-23 at 03:47 -0500, Golden Ribbon wrote: > This would be a great way to double up on funding the Inkscape cause > and spreading the Inkscape brand in one swift motion. I also selfishly want some inkscape branded things. A cup of tea and a t-shirt with inkscape's logo on it ;-) Martin,

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Inkscape, Pango, Language Tags and Marshallese
by Jeremy Tan 22 Feb '16

22 Feb '16

Hello all. It is well-known that Inkscape uses Pango for text rendering. What I have found is that it doesn't yet support language tags for locale-specific rendering of glyphs. The context for this is a font I'm now developing that has separate glyphs for the Marshallese language <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshallese_language>. It has five problematic letters – L, M, N, O with cedilla and N with macron; in particular M-cedilla, O-cedilla and N-macron aren't even in Unicode yet and while the other two characters are in, they usually display commas for Latvian, which is considered unacceptable for Marshallese. My font has the proper glyphs. SVG is a kind of XML and so the xml:lang attribute can be used to set the language of a certain piece of text. For example, if you wanted to say that some text is Polish you would put xml:lang="pl" as an attribute of the text (not tspan) object that contains the Polish text. These are ISO 639 two-letter codes that are used here, so for Marshallese the letters mh would be used. To ensure that the proper glyphs are displayed for the language in question, OpenType has the localised forms feature, which substitutes one glyph for another if the text is in a particular language. For my case, my font substitutes the replacements used by the online Marshallese–English dictionary (see here <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshallese_language#Display_issues> for the replacements) with the typographically correct glyphs. So far, so good. But then I concocted an SVG demo with two sets of the replacement characters, one of which had xml:lang="mh" so it would display correctly in Marshallese. It worked fine in my browser, but the language tag was ignored when I opened it in Inkscape (see the attachment). I am not in a hurry over this, but I would appreciate it if someone could add support for the as-yet-unsupported OpenType features to Inkscape. Pango itself is perfectly capable of handling these features, so I'm suspecting it won't be hard. Parcly Taxel, Princess of Science

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