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undo history
by Felipe Sanches 15 Jun '09

15 Jun '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Felipe Sanches <felipe.sanches@...400...> Date: Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape 0.47pre0 To: Inkscape User Community <inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net> yeah, but you could accidentaly hit a key and unintentionally destroy work. There is no "undo my mistaken undo-history-edit"... On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Steven M. Ottens <steven@...2202...> wrote: > although I would love some smart multi-level tree-undo structure > which remembers at what point in history you deviated and allows you > to go back to the branch point and gives you the choice to either > follow the 'new' history or the 'old' history *), I've never seen > that in practice and everyone who uses multiple undo for a while > knows that if you go back in history and change something, you're > 'past future' is lost. > > So merely giving a warning that changing something once you went back > in history will be beneficial for a small number of people, but > hugely annoying for the majority. In my opinion you should either > produce a nice multi-branch undo history (with very interesting UI- > challenges) or leave it as it is. I am aware it is a bit harsh, but > IMHO no-one who is doing serious design work with inkscape will be > surprised by this behavior, because there is no multi-branch-undo in > any (vector)drawing program. > > Correct me if I'm wrong. > > Steven > > *) If inkscape would have it, it would be a killer feature, I'd love > to help to do the UI-part of it, the programming part has to be done > by different minds though > > On Jun 12, 2009, at 8:28 PM, Felipe Sanches wrote: > > > hmmm... cool! > > but I see an issue there... > > > > if you select a "past revision" and edit it, every future revision > > (relative to it) is lost. > > It should either branch the history or warn the user that some work > > will be definetly lost. > > > > Juca > > > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM, john cliff <john.cliff@...400...> > > wrote: > > do you mean the undo history? its in SVN under edit>undo history... > > > > 2009/6/12 Felipe Sanches <felipe.sanches@...400...>: > > > > > >> > > >> Some time back, someone from some university developed an undo > > system > > >> for Inkscape. Would that be included in the final release? > > > > > > Probably not. I havent seen it in our svn repository, so it wont > > be in our > > > release. > > > And it can't be added now in the middle of a release process. > > > > > > Juca > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------- > > > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > > > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > > > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > > > server and web deployment. > > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Inkscape-user mailing list > > > Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------- > > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > > server and web deployment. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > > _______________________________________________ > > Inkscape-user mailing list > > Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------- > > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > > server and web deployment. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/ > > businessobjects_______________________________________________ > > Inkscape-user mailing list > > Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > server and web deployment. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-user mailing list > Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user >

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Split text extension
by Karlisson 15 Jun '09

15 Jun '09

Hello, I've updated my split text extension! See more details in: http://nerdson.com/bin/split/ It doesn't split flowed texts. I couldn't put the splitted elements in the same position they were before (because of the way flowedText data is organized), so I decided to not support this type of element in the extension. I'd like to know if there's a way to get the X and Y of a flowed text. Apparently they are determined by the position of the flowing shape... I'd like you to test it and if possible, put it on 0.47. Files: http://nerdson.com/bin/split/split.py http://nerdson.com/bin/split/split.inx Thanks! -- Karlisson M. Bezerra http://nerdson.com/ -

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More Font Selection Fun
by Thomas Worthington 15 Jun '09

15 Jun '09

If a font (such as Helvetica - quite a common font) has a "Medium" weight then selecting this in the "Text and Font" dialog box correctly changes the preview text but as soon as one clicks on "apply" "medium" is changed to "bold" and the font set accordingly. Similar things happen with "medium oblique" which becomes "bold oblique". svn 21529 Gentoo Linux TW -- Thomas Worthington Tech Nouveau 32 Bangor Road Groomsport BT19 6JF 07748 792333

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] undo history
by Josh Andler 12 Jun '09

12 Jun '09

For the record, the Undo History has been around since 0.45. If you're inclined to improve it, wait until afte SoC. Otherwise know, it's been around for a couple versions w/o any major issues. Cheers, Josh On Jun 12, 2009 12:19 PM, "Felipe Sanches" <felipe.sanches@...400...> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Felipe Sanches < felipe.sanches@...400...> Date: Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape 0.47pre0 To: Inkscape User ... yeah, but you could accidentaly hit a key and unintentionally destroy work. There is no "undo my mistaken undo-history-edit"... On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Steven M. Ottens <steven@...2202...> wrote: > although I would love some smart multi-level tree-undo structure > which remembers at what point in history you deviated and allows you > to go back to the branch point and gives you the choice to either > follow the 'new' history or the 'old' history *), I've never seen > that in practice and everyone who uses multiple undo for a while > knows that if you go back in history and change something, you're > 'past future' is lost. > > So merely giving a warning that changing something once you went back > in history will be beneficial for a small number of people, but > hugely annoying for the majority. In my opinion you should either > produce a nice multi-branch undo history (with very interesting UI- > challenges) or leave it as it is. I am aware it is a bit harsh, but > IMHO no-one who is doing serious design work with inkscape will be > surprised by this behavior, because there is no multi-branch-undo in > any (vector)drawing program. > > Correct me if I'm wrong. > > Steven > > *) If inkscape would have it, it would be a killer feature, I'd love > to help to do the UI-part of it, the programming part has to be done > by different minds though > > > > On Jun 12, 2009, at 8:28 PM, Felipe Sanches wrote: > > > hmmm... cool! > > > but I see an issue t... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -------- > > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > > > Check out the new simplifi... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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undo history
by Felipe Sanches 12 Jun '09

12 Jun '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Felipe Sanches <felipe.sanches@...400...> Date: Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape 0.47pre0 To: Inkscape User Community <inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net> hmmm... cool! but I see an issue there... if you select a "past revision" and edit it, every future revision (relative to it) is lost. It should either branch the history or warn the user that some work will be definetly lost. Juca On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM, john cliff <john.cliff@...400...> wrote: > do you mean the undo history? its in SVN under edit>undo history... > > 2009/6/12 Felipe Sanches <felipe.sanches@...400...>: > > > >> > >> Some time back, someone from some university developed an undo system > >> for Inkscape. Would that be included in the final release? > > > > Probably not. I havent seen it in our svn repository, so it wont be in > our > > release. > > And it can't be added now in the middle of a release process. > > > > Juca > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > > server and web deployment. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > > _______________________________________________ > > Inkscape-user mailing list > > Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > server and web deployment. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-user mailing list > Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user >

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NEW: font family list usability
by bulia byak 12 Jun '09

12 Jun '09

The usability of the font family drop-down list in the Text tool controls bar has been improved: it no longer steals focus, all keyboard shortcuts work as designed (Alt+X to access the family control, Alt+down to open the drop-down list, arrows to move in the list, Enter to set chosen font) and the completion feature works (start typing a family name and a pop-up list with possible completions appears). Remaining problems that may be fixed in the future versions: * The first opening of the drop-down list of family names may be slow if you have many fonts installed (the delay is Inkscape generating the previews for all fonts). * By default on Linux, the drop-down is shown as a menu (gray background, wide panel without horizontal scrolling) instead of a list (white background, narrow panel with horizontal scrolling). The menu style is inconvenient because of its excessive width. To fix this, find your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file and inside the style that applies to all widgets, add GtkComboBox::appears-as-list = 1. For example: style "user-font" { font_name="DejaVu Sans 10" GtkComboBox::appears-as-list = 1 } widget_class "*" style "user-font" Windows version uses the list style by default. I should add that, after several days of tweaking this, starting from a patch by Felipe, I hate GTK more than ever. Its inconsistent behavior across platforms, poor configurability (can anyone please suggest how the list style can be set programmatically, not via an rc file? this style property is read-only in GTK!) and ambiguous documentation are really a shame. In the end I fixed everything except the above listed issues, using a few weird tricks but nothing really insane (standard GTK widgets only), and I think it should be good enough to release in 0.47. If and when someone comes up with a more advanced solution, it must be at least as good usability-wise as this one. I tested it on Linux with GTK 2.15.4 and on Windows XP. Please report any problems to me, listing your platform and GTK version. -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] NEW: font family list usability
by Preben Soeberg 11 Jun '09

11 Jun '09

> > 5 with the list open, Alt+tab to another application > > Is this a normal thing to do? To me this sounds like intentionally > trying to break it. Seeing error messages (bad fonts) appear on the console window, just Alt+Tab'ing to the console window to see messages, not to break system ;-)

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] NEW: font family list usability
by bulia byak 10 Jun '09

10 Jun '09

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Tor Lillqvist<tml@...2201...> wrote: > > 1 add GtkComboBox::appears-as-list = 1 >> to your active style in active gtkrc file > > The MS-Windows theme's gtkrc file already contains this, so presumably > it is enough to use the MS-Windows theme? Probably, I don't know, I gave it to you just in case because Inkscape uses it. >> 4 click button to open list under "Editable" >> 5 with the list open, Alt+tab to another application > > Is this a normal thing to do? To me this sounds like intentionally > trying to break it. So? It must not break no matter how one tries to break it :) Also, it breaks only with appears-as-list = 1. When it is menu, it works fine (just closes the drop-down as soon as loses focus). >> 6 BUG: list floats above everything > > Isn't that what the list is supposed to do? I am sure the list > "floats" above everything on X11, too. The bug is that it doesn't pop > down when the process loses focus. Yes, it must close it. > Anyway, big deal. As the saying > goes, "don't do that then". Sorry, no. Small things like this add to an overall impression of sloppiness, awkwardness, and bad usability. This has to be fixed. >> 7 BUG: if you now Alt+tab back to Combo boxes and there close the >> list, the Combo boxes window stays on top of everything > > Yes, this clearly is caused by some bug in window handling. > > Please file a bug report. Where exactly? Last time I tried to do this but got lost in the multi-layer Gnome site. -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] NEW: font family list usability
by bulia byak 10 Jun '09

10 Jun '09

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Tor Lillqvist<tml@...2201...> wrote: >> Tor: This is a trouble with a GtkComboBoxEntry on Windows XP. > > Without a minimal test case that replicates it there isn't much I can do. Easy: 1 add GtkComboBox::appears-as-list = 1 to your active style in active gtkrc file 2 run gtk-demo.exe 3 choose "Combo boxes" 4 click button to open list under "Editable" 5 with the list open, Alt+tab to another application 6 BUG: list floats above everything 7 BUG: if you now Alt+tab back to Combo boxes and there close the list, the Combo boxes window stays on top of everything -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

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clipboard
by Alexandre Prokoudine 10 Jun '09

10 Jun '09

Hi, According to ChangeLog last July there was support for Windows clipboard introduced. However on Linux copy/paste of paths still doesn't work between instances and Inkscape doesn't seem to announce it sent something to clipboard for other apps as well. GIMP does support pasting SVG paths from clipboard, but ironically the only application that is supposed to do that in fact doesn't do it. Amusing, eh? :) So, what can we do? Alexandre

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