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update "Getting Started with Development"
by Maximilian Gaukler 11 Jun '17

11 Jun '17

Hi everyone, I would like to propose a change to this page: https://inkscape.org/en/develop/getting-started/#install-build-dependencies Currently, the section "Install build dependencies" doesn't constructively explain how to build the latest trunk without enabling some PPA. But, lucky enough, there is already a nice listing of apt-get commands in this file: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/blob/master/.gitlab-ci.yml As it is used in the CI (automatic build), it is automatically checked that the commands there actually work for the current version. Therefore, I'd suggest the following change: (pseudo-patch-file, - = remove, + = insert) - Note: If you are using the PPA for the latest builds on Debian, you - can use this alternative command to get a more accurate set of build - dependencies: - - sudo apt-get build-dep inkscape-trunk Note that this will install the build dependencies of the Inkscape package available in your repositories. If the package is old, you might need to install some additional dependencies - ; + . + + A more accurate set of build dependencies + can be found in this file in the lines containing 'apt-get': + https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/blob/master/.gitlab-ci.yml + - the output of the configure script should give you hints on what - else is required. + In case of errors, the output of 'cmake' should give you hints on what + else is required. Also, the doc/HACKING.* files are really outdated (many technical details are wrong), I would suggest simply replacing them with a link to the develop/getting-started website. If it helps, I can hand in a merge request for that, or a launchpad bug report, or whatever is the right thing during the migration to GIT. Looking forward to your feedback, Max

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Sourceforge confirmation email
by Maren Hachmann 10 Jun '17

10 Jun '17

Hi everyone, please actively look for an email from sourceforge that asks you to confirm your sourceforge mailing list membership(s). They have changed their mailing list policies to make indicating the country of residence of a subscriber mandatory. More info can be found at: https://sourceforge.net/blog/sourceforge-project-e-mail-policy-update/ (@doctormo: if you want to extract the things mentioned at https://sourceforge.net/blog/sourceforge-project-e-mail-policy-update/ , do it before June 29th - old, inactive mailing lists will be deleted, for example.) Kind Regards, Maren

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Fwd: Re: [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?
by Marietta Walker 07 Jun '17

07 Jun '17

And I am the culprit on not getting sending back to the list. My email defaults to the sender not the list and I keep forgetting to change the email address and I just did it to Maren with the messages below! Shame on me Marietta -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 16:36:12 -0500 From: Marietta Walker <marietta@...167...> To: Maren Hachmann <maren@...68...> No problem at all. I did take a look, and you will find I am pretty flexible, but is OK to use the English board? I am sure I will not learn French in time to help with anything! I will be happy to extract and help track task and mark them complete as we go. And as a new user of Inkscape, you can count on me to also test as we go. Regards Marietta On 6/6/2017 4:09 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote: > Hi Marietta, > > a kanban board is a good idea, but there are free alternatives which I > would prefer to see used, e.g. https://framaboard.org/. > > Perhaps you would be willing to extract the tasks from previous messages > (esp. the one about the news item to Brynn) and move the board over to > framaboard? Also, we would need someone to take care of marking tasks > that are done by people who are not registered there as done. > > We don't need everyone to have an account, I think - we could also just > add their names, when we know they want to work on it. > > What do you think, Marietta? > > Kind Regards, > Maren > > Am 06.06.2017 um 20:45 schrieb brynn: >> No thanks for me. (I've already got a whole notebook of login >> passwords.) But I think Martin has been looking for something like >> that. Especially if it would give automatic reminders (afaiu). >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Marietta Walker >> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 9:59 AM >> To: inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new >> manual work? >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have set myself up with Trello in order to track notes and completion >> of Chapter review.. (Just to let everyone know I will not be actually >> editing chapters, only providing feedback to Maren on those things I >> need to. ) >> >> I digress. Trello is free and easy to use. It has taken me about ten >> minutes to figure it out and set my self up with a checklist, which I am >> now working on breaking into Sub-heading groups. >> >> With that said, if anyone would like to join me there to create >> checklists /progress tracking, If everyone jumped in to use, we could >> also let the group know where we are because I have made it public for >> viewing. >> >> So if you want to check it out-here is the link. >> https://trello.com/b/5MTvCikC/inkscape >> >> If you want to use it, then create an account and then send me your info. >> >> Regards >> Marietta >> >> On 6/4/2017 6:10 PM, Marietta Walker wrote: >>> I think it will suit me perfectly. >>> >>> Thanks--Marietta >>> >>> On 6/4/2017 5:55 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote: >>>> Thank you, Marietta, Carl, and Martin for pointing me into the right >>>> direction (hopefully) and for calling for help, and volunteering your >>>> time :) >>>> >>>> I'm glad to know that people are still interested in helping, but might >>>> just not have known how (or, in CR's case, are too busy with other stuff >>>> - believe me, I understand). >>>> Guess I got too used to the standard open source theme of 'grab a task >>>> and do it if you're up to it' - and I'm also kind of shy about telling >>>> others what to do. I'm sorry about not getting that I should take on a >>>> more active, guiding role, to make it easier for new members to join. >>>> >>>> @Marietta: What do you think about Martin's suggestion? >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> Maren >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 04.06.2017 um 22:52 schrieb Martin Owens: >>>>> On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 13:20 -0500, Marietta Walker wrote: >>>>>> If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations >>>>>> in knowing the software. >>>>> You would make a good editor then, both in the generic sense for >>>>> English grammar and the functional sense in 'do you understand this' >>>>> >>>>> Is this something you'd be good at helping with? >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, Martin Owens >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>> _______________________________________________ Inkscape-docs mailing >>>>> list Inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Inkscape-docs mailing list >>>> Inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?
by Maren Hachmann 07 Jun '17

07 Jun '17

CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 chapters each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35 chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten from scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple of chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone seems to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were supposed to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug). I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting people get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with translating. I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 weeks already. But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what. Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will be ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing through my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect to not have time for much else. I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do well, like fixing up language or styling). There are more than enough open tasks: from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking and layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course). And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to honor the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of the book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to get started, without much theoretical ballast. Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses. Maren Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R: > I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that we're > making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do it. I > plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle the > hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete > manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for > help with it. > > If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go ahead, though. :) > > Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project, > brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape > project work. :) > > -C > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn <brynn@...78...> wrote: >> Hi Friends, >> As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming hackfest, I >> suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short item about the >> recent new work on the new manual? >> >> I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article. I'm thinking >> Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first time around? >> Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I could do it myself, if >> we decide to do it. >> >> I think it would help in community-building, to keep the wider >> community up to date about these things. What do other manual workers and >> Docs list subscribers think? >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >

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Translating in Dutch
by unknown＠example.com 06 Jun '17

06 Jun '17

Hi Everybody, I've been noting the thoughts, suggestions, ideas, and feelings involved in maintaining momentum of the manual (and yes, I enjoy alliteration). I commend all of you on putting out the champion's effort to keep this project going! I will chip in by doing a Dutch translation. Progress will be very slow. Like all of you, I'm in a chronic time-crunch. I do have a Trello account so I can provide my status. I'll make time and send bits and bytes to an appropriate repository, and we'll go from there. I can also use my Github account to store things. I'll check with Github policy to make sure I'm not overstepping any constraints. My account is at: http://roy-torley.github.io and now you know where to find me (that's always a scary thing!). Best early summer wishes to all, Roy Torley

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] News item about the new manual work?
by brynn 06 Jun '17

06 Jun '17

Wow! I admire your speed and talent! Thoughts: I would want more color, or at least a different color than brown. The brown makes it seem old or aged, to me....kind of uninviting. The image itself I love! Just the color. Or maybe it's a fudgesicle, so it would stay brown, but the rest having something a little brighter? I'd like to see the popsicle facing the other direction. The way the text (Starting With) is over on the upper right area, it seems like it should be the other way around. I don't know if I'd like it better, but I'd like to see how it looks. Very well done! All best, brynn -----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 4:03 PM To: Martin Owens Cc: inkscape-devel ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-docs] News item about the new manual work? Okay, finished an initial version of the cover for the beginners guide. Yes, it's all in Inkscape. :) Here's a png: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner_manual.pn… Thoughts? On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...2...> wrote: > Can someone help Maren? > > I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be useful for > drumming up volunteers. > > But also, for a project director when just getting started, it's useful > to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that they > don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they should do > while figuring out the software/editing platform. > > Thoughts? > > Best Regards, Martin Owens > > On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: >> CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 >> chapters >> each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35 >> chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen >> around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter >> (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten >> from >> scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple >> of >> chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone >> seems >> to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were >> supposed >> to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug). >> >> I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting >> people >> get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with >> translating. >> >> I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal >> about >> helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 >> weeks >> already. >> But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started >> this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what. >> >> Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will >> be >> ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing >> through >> my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect >> to >> not have time for much else. >> >> I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the >> manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know >> Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do >> well, like fixing up language or styling). >> >> There are more than enough open tasks: >> from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking >> and >> layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding >> missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course). >> >> And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to >> honor >> the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of >> the >> book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to >> get >> started, without much theoretical ballast. >> Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up >> the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her >> concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses. >> >> Maren >> >> Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R: >> > >> > I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that >> > we're >> > making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do >> > it. I >> > plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle >> > the >> > hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete >> > manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for >> > help with it. >> > >> > If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go >> > ahead, though. :) >> > >> > Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project, >> > brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape >> > project work. :) >> > >> > -C >> > >> > On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn <brynn@...78...> wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi Friends, >> > > As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming >> > > hackfest, I >> > > suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short >> > > item about the >> > > recent new work on the new manual? >> > > >> > > I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article. I'm >> > > thinking >> > > Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first >> > > time around? >> > > Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I could do it >> > > myself, if >> > > we decide to do it. >> > > >> > > I think it would help in community-building, to keep the >> > > wider >> > > community up to date about these things. What do other manual >> > > workers and >> > > Docs list subscribers think? >> > > >> > > All best, >> > > brynn >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > --------------- >> > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Inkscape-devel mailing list >> > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ------------- >> > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Inkscape-devel mailing list >> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----------- >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?
by Jabier Arraiza 05 Jun '17

05 Jun '17

growing green ones On Mon, 2017-06-05 at 23:31 +0100, C R wrote: > Inkscape is gluten free, dairy free, and completely Vegan. I think. > Are vectors and gradients considered Vegan? > > -C > > On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Jabier Arraiza > <jabier.arraiza@...96...> wrote: > > Celiac label > > > > On Mon, 2017-06-05 at 23:03 +0100, C R wrote: > > > Okay, finished an initial version of the cover for the beginners > > > guide. > > > Yes, it's all in Inkscape. :) > > > > > > Here's a png: > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner > > > _man > > > ual.png?dl=0 > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...2...> > > > wrote: > > > > Can someone help Maren? > > > > > > > > I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be > > > > useful > > > > for > > > > drumming up volunteers. > > > > > > > > But also, for a project director when just getting started, > > > > it's > > > > useful > > > > to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that > > > > they > > > > don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they > > > > should do > > > > while figuring out the software/editing platform. > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > Best Regards, Martin Owens > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: > > > > > CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 > > > > > chapters > > > > > each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway > > > > > through > > > > > (35 > > > > > chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be > > > > > seen > > > > > around, after the first week, when one person translated a > > > > > chapter > > > > > (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be > > > > > rewritten > > > > > from > > > > > scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread > > > > > a > > > > > couple > > > > > of > > > > > chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, > > > > > someone > > > > > seems > > > > > to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that > > > > > were > > > > > supposed > > > > > to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug). > > > > > > > > > > I'd be glad to see some proofreading and > > > > > styling/screenshooting > > > > > people > > > > > get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through > > > > > with > > > > > translating. > > > > > > > > > > I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and > > > > > vocal > > > > > about > > > > > helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > > > > > > 2 > > > > > weeks > > > > > already. > > > > > But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't > > > > > started > > > > > this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter > > > > > what. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then > > > > > translations > > > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be > > > > > plowing > > > > > through > > > > > my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I > > > > > expect > > > > > to > > > > > not have time for much else. > > > > > > > > > > I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help > > > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > manual (preferably people who are able to work independently > > > > > and > > > > > know > > > > > Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they > > > > > really > > > > > do > > > > > well, like fixing up language or styling). > > > > > > > > > > There are more than enough open tasks: > > > > > from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency > > > > > checking > > > > > and > > > > > layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to > > > > > adding > > > > > missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course). > > > > > > > > > > And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care > > > > > to > > > > > honor > > > > > the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' > > > > > concept > > > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use > > > > > it > > > > > to > > > > > get > > > > > started, without much theoretical ballast. > > > > > Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she > > > > > built up > > > > > the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I > > > > > suspect > > > > > her > > > > > concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape > > > > > courses. > > > > > > > > > > Maren > > > > > > > > > > Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say > > > > > > that > > > > > > we're > > > > > > making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided > > > > > > to > > > > > > do > > > > > > it. I > > > > > > plan on helping this area of the project much more after I > > > > > > handle > > > > > > the > > > > > > hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less > > > > > > complete > > > > > > manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a > > > > > > call > > > > > > for > > > > > > help with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then > > > > > > go > > > > > > ahead, though. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the > > > > > > project, > > > > > > brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for > > > > > > Inkscape > > > > > > project work. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > -C > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn <brynn@...78...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Friends, > > > > > > > As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the > > > > > > > upcoming > > > > > > > hackfest, I > > > > > > > suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > item about the > > > > > > > recent new work on the new manual? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could do that, after I finish the hackfest > > > > > > > article. I'm > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > time around? > > > > > > > Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > myself, if > > > > > > > we decide to do it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it would help in community-building, to > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > wider > > > > > > > community up to date about these things. What do other > > > > > > > manual > > > > > > > workers and > > > > > > > Docs list subscribers think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All best, > > > > > > > brynn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > --------------- > > > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the > > > > > > > world's > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashd > > > > > > > ot > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > > > > > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-dev > > > > > > > el > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's > > > > > > most > > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > > > > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ---- > > > > > ---- > > > > > ----------- > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's > > > > > most > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Inkscape-docs mailing list > > > > > Inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ---- > > > > ------------- > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---- > > > ----------- > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?
by Jabier Arraiza 05 Jun '17

05 Jun '17

Celiac label On Mon, 2017-06-05 at 23:03 +0100, C R wrote: > Okay, finished an initial version of the cover for the beginners > guide. > Yes, it's all in Inkscape. :) > > Here's a png: > https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner_man > ual.png?dl=0 > > Thoughts? > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Martin Owens <doctormo@...2...> > wrote: > > Can someone help Maren? > > > > I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be useful > > for > > drumming up volunteers. > > > > But also, for a project director when just getting started, it's > > useful > > to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that they > > don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they should do > > while figuring out the software/editing platform. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Best Regards, Martin Owens > > > > On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: > > > CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 > > > chapters > > > each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through > > > (35 > > > chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be > > > seen > > > around, after the first week, when one person translated a > > > chapter > > > (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be > > > rewritten > > > from > > > scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a > > > couple > > > of > > > chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone > > > seems > > > to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were > > > supposed > > > to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug). > > > > > > I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting > > > people > > > get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through > > > with > > > translating. > > > > > > I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal > > > about > > > helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 > > > weeks > > > already. > > > But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't > > > started > > > this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what. > > > > > > Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations > > > will > > > be > > > ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing > > > through > > > my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I > > > expect > > > to > > > not have time for much else. > > > > > > I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with > > > the > > > manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and > > > know > > > Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really > > > do > > > well, like fixing up language or styling). > > > > > > There are more than enough open tasks: > > > from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency > > > checking > > > and > > > layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to > > > adding > > > missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course). > > > > > > And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to > > > honor > > > the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept > > > of > > > the > > > book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it > > > to > > > get > > > started, without much theoretical ballast. > > > Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she > > > built up > > > the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect > > > her > > > concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses. > > > > > > Maren > > > > > > Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R: > > > > > > > > I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that > > > > we're > > > > making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to > > > > do > > > > it. I > > > > plan on helping this area of the project much more after I > > > > handle > > > > the > > > > hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less > > > > complete > > > > manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call > > > > for > > > > help with it. > > > > > > > > If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go > > > > ahead, though. :) > > > > > > > > Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the > > > > project, > > > > brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for > > > > Inkscape > > > > project work. :) > > > > > > > > -C > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn <brynn@...78...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Friends, > > > > > As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the > > > > > upcoming > > > > > hackfest, I > > > > > suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short > > > > > item about the > > > > > recent new work on the new manual? > > > > > > > > > > I could do that, after I finish the hackfest > > > > > article. I'm > > > > > thinking > > > > > Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first > > > > > time around? > > > > > Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I could > > > > > do it > > > > > myself, if > > > > > we decide to do it. > > > > > > > > > > I think it would help in community-building, to keep > > > > > the > > > > > wider > > > > > community up to date about these things. What do other > > > > > manual > > > > > workers and > > > > > Docs list subscribers think? > > > > > > > > > > All best, > > > > > brynn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ---- > > > > > --------------- > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's > > > > > most > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > > > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ---- > > > > ------------- > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---- > > > ----------- > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Inkscape-docs mailing list > > > Inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------- > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?
by brynn 04 Jun '17

04 Jun '17

Oh, well thanks for your kind words :-) It could be both an announcement and a call for more help. At least the translation part, I wonder if we could use more help? As I and I think others have said, this would be a great gateway project for bringing in new talent and having more active users. Although perhaps there's some reason that I don't see, not to bring in beginners to the development side, on this particular project? Thanks, brynn -----Original Message----- From: C R Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 5:32 AM To: brynn Cc: Inkscape-Docs ; Inkscape-Devel Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work? I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that we're making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do it. I plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle the hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for help with it. If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go ahead, though. :) Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project, brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape project work. :) -C On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn <brynn@...78...> wrote: > Hi Friends, > As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming hackfest, I > suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short item about the > recent new work on the new manual? > > I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article. I'm thinking > Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first time around? > Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I could do it myself, if > we decide to do it. > > I think it would help in community-building, to keep the wider > community up to date about these things. What do other manual workers and > Docs list subscribers think? > > All best, > brynn > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Robert Sterbal's introduction
by Robert Sterbal 02 Jun '17

02 Jun '17

All, I've been using social media since the 1990s and hope to help this project reach out to users, particularly via Facebook Groups and Instagram. Please let me know who I need to contact in order to move forward. Thanks, Robert Sterbal robert@...169... 412-977-3526 call/text

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