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Re: [Inkscape-devel] new tutorial started on Wiki
by Bryce Harrington 05 Jul '04

05 Jul '04

Okay, I've activated the upload feature. Click on the Upload link to use it. I tested it out with a couple files here: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?SandBox Regarding abuse, just keep an eye on it for now and let me know if you spot problems, and we'll figure out how to handle it accordingly. Enjoy! Bryce On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, John Griessen wrote: > I do, I do, > > Yes, I found this link that suggests it has a really good use for > collaborating on a visual program like Inkscape, where the benefit is to > put .png files to the webserver to be linked to in the Wiki. Only > thing to consider is probably only let it work while logged in as some > confirmed user so stopping XXX image promoters from uploading naked > human photos without being traceable. > > http://www.nzoss.org.nz/wiki/index.php?pagename=UploadFiles > > JG > > PS Thankyou Arpad > > > don't know what that function does (I guess you're referring to > > > the Upload link which is in the header of every Wiki page). I'm > > > CCing the development list, probably someone can enlighten us. > > > > Yeah, it's supposed to enable the ability to upload files to the server, > > for use within the wiki pages. The feature was added to enable > > Wikipedians to upload images for use within Wikipedia. > > > > I probably don't have it configured right though. I can work on getting > > it functional if people want to use it. Lemme know. > > > > Bryce > >

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Report for 2004-07-03 18:00 GMT-0500
by unknown＠example.com 05 Jul '04

05 Jul '04

Hi. I have some bad news. Unfortunately, the last build attempt at compiling Inkscape CVS was very unsuccesful. I'm sorry, I really tried hard. Really. Here is the LOG file, and I hope that helps.

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General and Specific Meta-Data
by Jon Phillips 04 Jul '04

04 Jul '04

Right now in Inkscape and OCAL graphics files meta-data is file wide, yet how can we maintain meta-data for discrete objects and groups of objects? How can we have both the General/Abstract meta-data and then have specific meta-data for discrete items and groups? I wonder how we can have it so that when an object or collection of objects is copied and pasted, imported and transformed, that its specific meta-data (beyond specified graphics attributes) can be copied along with itself (making a media object). In the future this will be vital for algorithmic composition of graphics. Thoughts? Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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L10n questions
by Arpad Biro 04 Jul '04

04 Jul '04

Hi, I have a few questions concerning new strings: #: src/dialogs/rdf.cpp:227 "Coverage" #: src/dialogs/rdf.cpp:228 "Extent or scope of this document." Do these mean "the things this document talks about"? #: src/dialogs/rdf.cpp:238 "URI to the License namespace definition." Is "License" the name of a namespace? #: src/interface.cpp:936 "Make Current Layer" Does this mean: "make it the current layer"? #: src/dialogs/rdf.cpp:225 "classication" Does this mean the same as "classification"? Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Clone command
by bulia byak 04 Jul '04

04 Jul '04

>Bulia...this is an awesome feature. I wish the keyboard shortcut was >easier to do with one hand. Most keys are already taken. Feel free to propose another shortcut. >Also, I think there should be another feature that should be added >called EXPAND, which allows for selected cloned objects to be made into >complete copies of the referenced image. Better "Unlink clone". Also a command to look up a clone's original. >Also, markers applied to the original do not apply to the clones. Yes. Please file a bug. _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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away for a while
by MenTaLguY 04 Jul '04

04 Jul '04

I'll be without phone or internet access for the next few days (hopefully not longer), so I probably won't be getting much Inkscape work done in that time. CVS isn't really very friendly for disconnected operation. In my absence, there are a few important things I wanted to make sure were nailed down before the 0.39 release: A. Clipping Paths Clipping paths are an extremely important feature for me personally, so I want to make sure they're in order before the release. 1. I think the clipping-paths-not-activating-on-load bug is related to a cut+paste mistake in sp_item_set -- if you compare the SP_ATTR_CLIP_PATH and SP_ATTR_MASK branches, one ->clip_ref has not been changed to ->mask_ref in the SP_ATTR_MASK branch. (hopefully that's right; this is from memory) Could someone please check, fix and commit that? 2. 'clip-path' specifications are currently only supported as XML attributes, not style= properties. Changing that now will require non-trival architectural work (I think), so just be aware of that when testing. 3. In case Bulia or anyone is interested, clipping paths currently require recursive updates. Not fatal, but if it bothers you you might want to have a look. B. Layers I kind of snuck in some layers stuff over the weekend. You can pick "enter group" from the context menu to start using a group as the current layer (i.e. the drawing tools will draw within it). "leave group" will "back out a level" (until you hit the root <svg> element again). I'd been hoping to get it a little more polished, but I probably won't have a chance before the release at this point... 1. The implementation is pretty crude and doesn't add any UI feedback; we should probably disable those menu entries for the final release 2. If you do decide to add feedback, I'd recommend adding a SigC++ signal to Inkscape::ObjectHierarchy that fires whenever the top or bottom object in the hierarchy changes. Also add a signal to SPDesktop that indicates when the current layer changes. The SPDesktop layer change should be driven by the signal belonging to SPDesktop::_layer_hierarchy (an Inkscape::ObjectHierarchy). SPDesktop would also end up needing to keep a SigC::Connection around to track its connection to the hierarchy signal -- so please remember to: a. explicitly call the constructor and destructors for any SPDesktop members of types in the SigC:: namespace b. disconnect the SigC::Connection before destroying it 3. The tools currently set the newly created item's transform by directly assigning to SPItem::transform. That's incredibly bad, and I had not intended to leave it in. It'd be nice if someone could make a public SPItem::setTransform() method (which would more or less just call the private sp_item_(mumble?)_set_transform() .. sorry, this is from memory) and use that instead. SPItem::transform should really be treated as read-only by outsiders. 4. "enter group" and "leave group" should really both go next to each other in the menu and in interface.cpp 5. There are also some issues of "transparency" (in the sense of event delivery) for layers currently, which is another reason I think we're probably best off shipping with the feature disabled. C. 0.40 release planning Also some entries I want to make sure we have on the 0.40 roadmap in the wiki: 1. add a dependency on libgc (the Boehm conservative collector), which will be required for the AST code 2. add a dependency on libcroco (which will be needed for the CSS portion of AST) 3. switch to sigc++ 2.0/newer gtkmm early in 0.40, before we start doing gtkmm-intensive stuff like the layers dialog etc. See y'all in a few days I hope... -mental

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Perf improvement to IntLigne::Copy(FloatLigne)
by Bryce Harrington 04 Jul '04

04 Jul '04

I've checked in a patch to IntLigne::Copy(FloatLigne*) that improves performance on my box. Previously, it had been taking 0.10 sec (4.74%), but now has been reduced to 0.03 sec (1.47%). I don't think I made any algorithmic changes, and booleans seems to still be working right, but I'd appreciate it if someone could keep an eye on it in case a goof got introduced. Bryce Before: % cumulative self time seconds seconds name 11.85 0.25 0.25 Shape::SwapEdges(int, int) 7.11 0.40 0.15 Shape::ConvertToShape(Shape*, fill_typ, bool) 4.74 0.50 0.10 IntLigne::Copy(FloatLigne*) <---- 3.79 0.58 0.08 Shape::SwapPoints(int, int) 3.32 0.65 0.07 Shape::CmpToVert(NR::Point, NR::Point, bool, bool) ... After: % cumulative self time seconds seconds name 13.73 0.28 0.28 Shape::SwapEdges(int, int) 7.35 0.43 0.15 Shape::ConvertToShape(Shape*, fill_typ, bool) 5.39 0.54 0.11 Shape::SwapPoints(int, int) 3.43 0.61 0.07 FloatLigne::InsertBord(int, float, int) 3.43 0.68 0.07 FloatLigne::Flatten() 3.43 0.75 0.07 Shape::TesteIntersection(SweepTree*, SweepTree*, NR::Point&, double&, double&, bool) 2.94 0.81 0.06 Shape::AddEdge(int, int) 2.45 0.86 0.05 Shape::TesteAdjacency(Shape*, int, NR::Point, int, bool) 2.45 0.91 0.05 Shape::CheckAdjacencies(int, int, Shape*, int) 1.96 0.95 0.04 Shape::CheckEdges(int, int, Shape*, Shape*, bool_op) 1.96 0.99 0.04 Shape::SortEdges() 1.47 1.02 0.03 sp_repr_attr(SPRepr const*, char const*) 1.47 1.05 0.03 IntLigne::Copy(FloatLigne*) <---- 1.47 1.08 0.03 nr_path_matrix_bbox_union(NRBPath const*, NR::Matrix const&, NRRect*) 1.47 1.11 0.03 nr_object_check_instance_type(void*, unsigned) ...

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layercake layercake baker's man...
by MenTaLguY 04 Jul '04

04 Jul '04

Just a quick note that I've been polishing the layers feature and even without the layers dialog it's becoming rather usable. So basic layers (of a sort) might actually make it in for this release. Here are some of the relevent changes: * I've retired the inkscape:groupmode attribute as it has served its purpose * You get Sodipodi-style "enter group"/"leave group" commands on the context (right click) menu which can be used to switch to using a group as a layer, or switch back to that group's parent * when a group is in this "layer" mode, the drawing tools create shapes within it and you can drag and select its objects directly Here are the items that are still needed: * The "group mode" setting needs to be per-NRArena key, and persist across hide/show cycles (currently, the change in event handling behavior is global, even though layer activation is per-SPDesktop) * Some sort of visual indicator of the current layer would be nice. I have provided an SPDesktop (SigC++) signal for this purpose, which can be connected to via SPDesktop::connectCurrentLayerChanged() * should e.g. "Select All" etc be influenced by the current group? -mental

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layers credit
by MenTaLguY 04 Jul '04

04 Jul '04

I should also note that this was part of my inspiration as well: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ObjectManager -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape Text Rendering Strangeness...
by bulia byak 03 Jul '04

03 Jul '04

> One interesting bug that has cropped up occurs when I use the library to output some text and tspan elements. As an example I have included the original file, the output of svggrayscale.py, Inkscape's saved version of the output, and a fixed version of Inkscape's output. It seems to be adding extra text XML elements (tabs, newlines, spaces) when loaded in Inkscape, so the text displays with an offset to the right. At first I thought it was a problem with SVG-Utils, but librsvg 2.7.2 renders the output from svggrayscale correctly, so now I'm not sure. I hope you could look into this issue and help me to understand why it is happening. Use Batik and/or Adobe SVG plugin as reference renderers. In this case they both display the same as Inkscape, so the problem is not with Inkscape. Your script adds newlines between <text> and <tspan>. Within <text>, whitespace is meaningful and is displayed as text. Note that Inkscape, when creating <text>, does not leave any extra whitespace inside.

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Inkscape Startup Times
by Bryce Harrington 03 Jul '04

03 Jul '04

--------------------- Real Time (s) ---- Inkscape Run 1 Run 2 Run 3 Run 4 Run 5 Average ============================================================== 0.35 0.125 0.119 0.118 0.119 0.120 0.120 0.36 0.142 0.140 0.142 0.144 0.151 0.144 0.37 0.200 0.195 0.193 0.196 0.195 0.196 0.38.1 2.289 2.317 2.297 2.303 2.309 2.303 CVS 0.720 0.725 0.727 0.732 0.720 0.725 --------------------- User Time (s) ---- Inkscape Run 1 Run 2 Run 3 Run 4 Run 5 Average ============================================================== 0.35 0.096 0.092 0.091 0.094 0.098 0.094 0.36 0.117 0.111 0.119 0.114 0.113 0.115 0.37 0.166 0.166 0.170 0.172 0.162 0.167 0.38.1 2.216 2.228 2.223 2.233 2.244 2.229 CVS 0.645 0.652 0.665 0.654 0.645 0.652 --------------------- System Time (s) ---- Inkscape Run 1 Run 2 Run 3 Run 4 Run 5 Average ============================================================== 0.35 0.014 0.013 0.016 0.014 0.010 0.013 0.36 0.011 0.016 0.011 0.013 0.016 0.013 0.37 0.026 0.022 0.021 0.016 0.025 0.022 0.38.1 0.040 0.036 0.034 0.036 0.031 0.035 CVS 0.046 0.035 0.034 0.046 0.044 0.041 I got curious about startup times, from bug reports that we've gotten from 0.38.1 users. I downloaded all the past Inkscape releases and replaced their gtk_main() call with exit(), and timed how long each took to get to that point. These tests were run on a 3GHz P4 with 512K cache and 1G RAM. Sure enough, 0.38.1's startup was significantly slower than previous releases. Good news it looks like CVS is much improved, although it's still slow compared with 0.37 and before. Bryce

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share/tutorials/making_markers.svg
by Arpad Biro 03 Jul '04

03 Jul '04

Hi, Don't know if it's intentional or not, but currently making_markers.svg is not in share/tutorials/Makefile.am. Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Incomplete translations because of "fuzzy" tags
by Arpad Biro 03 Jul '04

03 Jul '04

Dear Inkscape Translators, Recently I noticed (in de.po and pt_BR.po) that a lot of translated strings still carry the "fuzzy" tag. Please keep in mind that after translating a string that carried the "fuzzy" tag, YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THE FUZZY TAG - otherwise this translation will be discarded when creating the machine-readable translation file (*mo), which means that your work of translating those strings will be lost. Examples of how to remove the "fuzzy" tag: #: src/dialogs/desktop-properties.cpp:758 #, fuzzy msgid "Custom" msgstr "Personalizado" becomes #: src/dialogs/desktop-properties.cpp:758 msgid "Custom" msgstr "Personalizado" after translating, and #: src/dialogs/object-attributes.cpp:130 #, fuzzy, c-format msgid "%s attributes" msgstr "%s atributos" becomes #: src/dialogs/object-attributes.cpp:130 #, c-format msgid "%s attributes" msgstr "%s atributos" Alternatively, you can use KBabel for translating, so that the fuzzy tags are automatically removed after modifying a fuzzy string. KBabel also does a lot of other things for you (like updating the PO-Revision-Date field). I recommend using that software to everyone. Thanks for your hard work and let me know if you have questions. Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] new tutorial started on Wiki
by Arpad Biro 03 Jul '04

03 Jul '04

Hi, > Yes, and I am still wanting to find out if the upload button does > anything useful, like putting a file on the > http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl? webserver somewhere... I don't know what that function does (I guess you're referring to the Upload link which is in the header of every Wiki page). I'm CCing the development list, probably someone can enlighten us. Arpad Biro __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Polyline and polygon point specification patch submitted
by Mark Nyrup Mortensen 03 Jul '04

03 Jul '04

Hi, I have submitted the patch for the polyline and polygon point specification and a simple self-explaining test-file to the tracker. And then another question somewhat related to the patch (and probably other places in Inkscape?): Does anyone know whether the "g_ascii_strtod" function actually is capable of reading and returning numbers sufficiently large to allow for the numbers available in SVG? From what I have seen so far i would say no, but again my knowledge of C/C++ and GTK+ is fairly limited. Mark Nyrup Mortensen

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Report for 2004-07-02 18:00 GMT-0500
by unknown＠example.com 03 Jul '04

03 Jul '04

Hi. I have some bad news. Unfortunately, the last build attempt at compiling Inkscape CVS was very unsuccesful. I'm sorry, I really tried hard. Really. Here is the LOG file, and I hope that helps.

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Polyline and polygon point specification
by Mark Nyrup Mortensen 03 Jul '04

03 Jul '04

Hi, i received a svg-file converted from wmf (by the Batik Graphics2D SVG Generator) a little more than a month ago. The file consisted of several thousands of polygons (i looked in the XML Editor :-), yet Inkscape displayed nothing but a blank canvas. I looked into the problem and found that Inkscape (and a pre-inkscape cvs-version of Sodipodi) only considered points in polygons (and polylines) written the same way as Inkscape does, and not in every way the SVG spec indicates (requires?). Well, to the point :-) I made a small patch (and a small test-file), which I have used for the last month with a CVS-update almost every day (no crashes), and I would like to know if anyone is interested in them? And then a small questions, sorry ;-) I would like to look into a blend tool (and some other more or less useful tools), but since I'm new to the internals of Inkscape, I would like to know if it's sane in it's current state (with the structural changes going on). I could still try to make an abstract outline of the blend function, which then could be implemented later (when the Extension API has been implemented around version 0.42?). (I make no promises though:-) I have been using Java almost exclusively since version 1.0.1 came out, with some perl and python tossed in, and have had only a brief look at C/C++ in the same period (that's the reason i don't promise anything :-). Mark Nyrup Mortensen

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Re: [Inkscape-user] SVG that doesn't display in Inkscape.
by MenTaLguY 02 Jul '04

02 Jul '04

On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 22:36, Trent Buck wrote: > Removing the <switch> </switch> tags from around the body seems to work. > > About 80% of the data is some binary formatted junk in an <i:pgf> tag. > I guess it's a thumbnail or something. > > Maybe as a kluge inkscape should ignore <switch> tags to make such > exported images work? <switch> its intended use is to enclose a bunch of children, only one of which is supposed to be rendered (based on conditions specified in their requiredFeatures, requiredExtensions, and systemLanguage attributes); I'm not sure whether displaying everything would be an improvement over displaying nothing for typical documents that use it. It shouldn't be hard to support properly, though. We're a little too close to the pre-release freeze to squeak it into this release, but I'll put in an RFE and stick it on the roadmap for 0.40. -mental

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Brasilian Portuguese Translation
by Juarez Rudsatz 02 Jul '04

02 Jul '04

Attached there is a pt_BR translation. Somebody could review ? Mit Freundichen Grüßen Juarez Rudsatz

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new tutorial started on Wiki
by John Griessen 02 Jul '04

02 Jul '04

Hi, I've started putting up a tutorial, and would like a little help putting an image on the wiki... I read about links thinking they would apply to a upload file that is an image in .png format, but no luck... http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?action=edit&id=TutorialIdeas is where to look to help out. I have not seen any other image content on the Wiki, is it possible? JG -- John Griessen Cibolo Design Austin Texas EE good at IR systems, power supplies, logic design, A2D D2A, digital amps, mechatronics, SiGe and CMOS layout, MEMS/mech/electronic/photonic modeling, charge pump PV/battery/fuel cell power converters, linux counter #249315

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Report for 2004-07-02 10:00 GMT-0500
by unknown＠example.com 02 Jul '04

02 Jul '04

Hi. I have some bad news. Unfortunately, the last build attempt at compiling Inkscape CVS was very unsuccesful. I'm sorry, I really tried hard. Really. Here is the LOG file, and I hope that helps.

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mergining SPObject and SPRepr
by MenTaLguY 02 Jul '04

02 Jul '04

(yay, I'm back, sorta) Since it's been brought up I don't think the suggestion of merging SPObject and SPRepr to solve our update problems is necessarily a good idea. The main reason is just that with a unified representation we have to make a tradeoff between: * an efficient representation for editing or * a representation that preserves the XML syntax tree during every transformation (i.e. we don't want Inkscape to chew up or discard arbitrary XML fragments which have no semantic meaning to us, but are important for other uses..) Both of these are important goals for us, so I think dividing our representation into separate classes to address each of these needs is necessary. We could still wrap SPObject/SPRepr pairs in another object, which would encapsulate our updating strategies for them. That _might_ be helpful, but I'd need to think about that some more. FWIW, here are some of the updating problems I see: 1. the id binding problem Currently, the SPObject <-> SPRepr binding is maintained by using XML fragment ids. This is IMO, more problematic than it's worth and forces us to impose ids on all XML nodes (including text nodes). My existing plan is to do the mapping directly rather than relying on ids (I've done some of the preliminary work on this already; new code should use SPDocument::getObjectByRepr rather than SPDocument::getObjectById). 2. the authority problem Are SPObjects or SPReprs authoritative? Not all our code is consistent in this regard, especially as it's often more convenient/efficient to update the SPObject directly. I believe the answer should be that SPReprs are authoritative, though SPObjects can temporarily be out of sync ("dirty") with new changes, provided those changes are flushed to the SPRepr layer at key points, e.g. before committing an undo log. (i.e. SPObject is essentially a cache for SPRepr, which functions as a backing store) 3. the manual update problem Many times it's more efficient to make changes at the SPObject level rather than to the SPRepr. Under the present system, this requires explicit calls to SPObject::updateRepr() to synchronize the state; if updateRepr() is called for every SPObject change, it becomes grossly inefficient. On the other hand, it's very tricky to defer these update calls until later, because mistakes are easy and they often get missed. I think the solution is to automate the "lazy" updating of SPReprs, so we get the performance benefits of lazy updates without having to debug manual updating code in a bajillion places. This is one thing that could (conceivably) be addressed in a wrapper class. -mental

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Re: Report for 2004-07-01 18:00
by bulia byak 02 Jul '04

02 Jul '04

> Unfortunately, the last build attempt at compiling Inkscape CVS was > very unsuccesful. Maybe it's better to just forward error logs to the devel list because it's hard to predict whose changes may be the cause of the problem. In this case, hierarchy_* is Mental's stuff and rdf_* is Kees'.

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Unable to set an object ID
by Bob Jamison 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

Does anyone have any ideas about this one? I don't think that this is a new bug, but another symptom of our ongoing problem with SPRepr and SPObject synchronization. Now it seems that any attempt to set the ID of an object via the GUI, either via Item Properties, or the XML editor, fails with messages like this: ** (inkscape:7718): CRITICAL **: Attempt to set id of bound SPRepr (0x8f98b34) without having registered the SPObject in the document's id table I know that some code could set the ID of the SPObject, too, but I fear that might break things further. Bob

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SVG::Metadata Release 0.06
by Bryce Harrington 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

The 0.06 release of SVG::Metadata is now available on CPAN, here: http://search.cpan.org/~bryce/SVG-Metadata-0.06/ The change for this release is the addition of a --delete flag to svg_annotate, which removes any <metadata>, <rdf>, or <rdf:RDF> tags from one or more svg files (it also recursively processes directories, if specified). Thanks go to Nicu for the suggestion (see below). Bryce On Thu, 17 Jun 2004, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Bryce Harrington wrote: > > This will add metadata to any files that don't already have it, > > including setting the license to Public Domain and the title to > > "My Name - <filename>". (You can override this if you want; see the > > manual page for svg_annotate on CPAN). > > > > Let me know if you run into issues. > > it looks OK to me, expect very soon my images with metadata added. > > you may want to consider in the future the case of files already having > metadata - for example the author may want to change the license or to > correct a spelling mistake made in the previous annotation. > a possible method is to request an additional command line parameter to > override > also an interesting case is to remove metadata from files - for example > in order to minimize the file size (this may matter for a huge collection) > >

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L10n files
by Arpad Biro 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

Hi, The current UI localization status: am 11 % az 7 % be 25 % ca 80 % cs 26 % da 14 % de 75 % el 5 % es_MX 57 % es 100 % et 0 % fr 50 % ga 1 % gl 11 % hu 100 % it 12 % ja 42 % mk 0 % nl 25 % no 24 % pl 22 % pt_BR 1 % pt 28 % ru 55 % sk 28 % sl 99 % sr@...428... 28 % sr 86 % sv 28 % tr 25 % uk 16 % zh_CN 15 % Average 34 % As you can see, we have two translation files at 0 % and another two at 1 %. Probably it would be better to remove these four files. What do you guys think? Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Gimp-print plugin for Inkscape
by Néstor Díaz Valencia 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

Hi everyone: This is an initial approach for a request of collaboration. I don't know speciffic developer data, I am just the messenger :) they are too busy. The Gimp-print plugin developer team is about to release a new big version. They are planning to divide a bit more the libgimpui so it can be used in other programs than The Gimp as a Gimp-print Plugin (it will be renamed as GutenPrint plugin) Now is Printer drivers+printing API and in a different package the GUI to print from The Gimp. The new idea is to make the plugin has a common component. Can Inkscape benefit from this? This is the new gimp-print website (beta) I am preparing in case you want more general information, but the old information is there. http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/www/static/ or ask me yours sincerely: Néstor Díaz ps: my personal point of view as a user is yes, it will add more power to Inkscape.

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L10n files
by Juarez Rudsatz 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

> As you can see, we have two translation files at 0 % and another > two at 1 %. Probably it would be better to remove these four files. > What do you guys think? Could someone send the pt_Br files attached to me, please ? I will translate in my spare time. Saudações Juarez Rudsatz

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Screenshot Needed
by Bryce Harrington 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

Does anyone have a good idea for a new screenshot for our Freshmeat page? http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/inkscape/ IIRC, we generally change them each release, and try to make it something that reflects the newly added feature(s). It would be great if someone could work up a really artistically attractive one for this release! :-) If you've got something good, post it here. I think Ted has updated the screenshot before, so I think he may be the one that'll select what goes up. Bryce

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Project Status 2004-07-01
by Bryce Harrington 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

Project Status - Thursday, July 1, 2004 We're in the final stages for the 0.39 release. Development work is tapering down as feature implementation work is completed or wrapped up for the release. We will be gradually "freezing" development, as follows: * June 28 - 'Feature chill' - no new features are started. Developers start wrapping up feature work and focusing on bug fixing. * July 5 - 'Feature freeze' - only bug fixing to occur after this point. Our goal is to eliminate critical bugs. * TBD - 'Hard freeze' - short period with no changes except under careful change control. We test the releases, and once we get one all we really like... * Release You can notice the fruits of the recent code cleanup in the reduction of code lines, while increasing comment line counts. The bug ratio, at 19%, has remained consistently low since our bug hunt; our feature ratio has also remained fairly constant since the start of the year, at around 75%. We've begun tracking stats on translations in this report; we hope to see both the translation ratio and the total number of PO files grow higher. Statistics Nov 15 Jan 15 Mar 15 May 15 Jun 15 Jul 01 ========== ====== ====== ====== ====== ====== ====== Lifetime Rank on SourceForge: 4391 1928 * 1028 928 930 (68.5%) (86.1%) * (92.7%) (93.4%) (93.4%) Max Week's Rank on SourceForge: 62 321 90 36 41 43 (99.6%) (97.5%) * (99.8%) (99.8%) (99.8%) Total SF Page Views * 126,500 * 475,000 616,263 678,767 Total SF Downloads * 5,735 * 27,400 34,015 36,979 Total Freshmeat URL Hits 746 2,958 4,670 * 7,333 7,615 Total Freshmeat Subscriptions 16 33 50 74 87 91 Lines of Code in src/: 115,901 166,914 177,286 189,116 280,263 261,927 Code lines 133,150 138,457 147,471 210,119 190,519 Comment line 12,468 15,584 16,757 40,620 41,422 Blank 21,929 24,061 25,886 34,677 35,134 Lines of Docs in doc/: 1,135 3,000 4,434 4,544 15,170 15,201 Lines of content in website: 1,173 2,885 5,087 6,008 6,372 6,581 Size of the Inkscape wiki: 3,700 11,284 14,840 18,638 17,176 16,600 Minutes since last ChangeLog mod: 360 6 * * * 28 Bugs open/total: 9/15 74/160 43/244 57/365 63/401 88/452 Features open/total: 18/18 104/120 151/184 183/238 210/285 222/307 Patches open/total: 1/ 6 4/32 6/ 45 4/ 83 5/ 88 6/ 91 CVS Commits (as per inkscape-cvs): 481 * 3070 3391 5549 6033 Inkscape-devel membership: 49 64 75 78 84 87 Inkscape-announce membership: 9 22 35 43 53 58 Inkscape-user membership: 71 76 84 Num Translations: Translated: 338 Fuzzy: 288 Untranslated: 349 Total number of PO files: 32 Ave Translation Ratio: 35.8% * - Statistics unavailable

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0.39pre2
by Ted Gould 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93438&package_id=991… It exists, it is alive! It will most definitely not be the final release, but it is a good point to start beating up Inkscape. This is not for general use, but more for people who follow the development of Inkscape (being subscribed to this e-mail list is a good start :) I went ahead and put it in the SF file area with a big nasty note to scare away casual users. I think that it is as good of place as any... thoughts are welcome. --Ted

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Re: slovenian files for inkscape
by Arpad Biro 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

Hi, > it's slovenian translations of all 4 tuturials, the keys&mouse sheet > and the latest sl.po file... I committed: sl.po elementsofdesign.sl.svg tipsandtricks.sl.svg tutorial-advanced.sl.svg tutorial-basic.sl.svg after trivial corrections. Please check the new files: http://cvs.sf.net/viewcvs.py/inkscape/inkscape/share/tutorials/ As to the following files, I have a few questions: default-slide.sl.svg intro.sl.svg keys.sl.xml Do we support localizing the example files (default-slide.svg and intro.svg)? How can keys.svg be generated from keys.xml? Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Updated spanish translation
by Lucas Vieites 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

Hi, I updated the spanish translation again, I hope to get a deep revision done before it gets into 0.39. Bye -- Lucas 'Basurero' Vieites Dept. Desarrollo <lucas@...212...> Asix Informática <http://www.asixinformatica.com/> Tel/Fax: +34 986 54 26 98

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GTK+ Info
by Bob Jamison 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

I saw this on NewsForge. Thought it might be of interest here. http://lists.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2004-June/msg00125.html Bob p.s.: No, I'm not one of those guys who emails you every URL he reads.... honest! :)

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Inkscape Manual
by Cédric GEMY 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

Hi, I've added today to the CVS a first part for the Inkscape Manual. To files : one for french : inkscapeUTFfr.xml one in poor english : inkscapeUTFen.xml These are first tests. We should take some time on this to improve our method. at least : English should be improved. If informations have to be changed, or if there are errors, please keep me informed to update the versions (may be should add a 'wish/error' list to the wiki). Give your mind. Cedric

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Creature House Expression 3 available for free
by vellum 29 Jun '04

29 Jun '04

Alan, > I dont have a Passport account that Microsoft seems to require. Getting one is straightforward. The site form is not well written though and reads as if you need a previous copy of Creature House. Actually all you need to give is your email addy. Takes about three minutes. > Is there anychance you could put a copy up somewhere temporarily? No, sorry. The download is 57.5MB and took me four hours on dial-up. :-) vellum

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Metadata dialog localization
by Arpad Biro 29 Jun '04

29 Jun '04

Hi, In the metadata dialog, the captions from "Title" to "License" (9 strings) always appear in English, even if they are translated in the PO file. "License:" and "Proprietary" appear localized. Inkscape 0.39cvs (Jun 29 2004) Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Toolbar issues
by Arpad Biro 29 Jun '04

29 Jun '04

Hi, Inkscape 0.39cvs (Jun 29 2004) KDE 3.2 GTK 2.2.4 After detaching (making it floating) a toolbar, it does not stay on top - it disappears on the next mouse click and can only be re-enabled with View->Show/Hide. In the case of the Tool Controls toolbar, there's another thing: after hiding and then re-enabling it (both with View->Show/Hide), it loses its functionality: some of the tools will not have their controls displayed. Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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commands bar
by bulia byak 29 Jun '04

29 Jun '04

OK, so the Commands Bar is in. The icons look really ugly and inconsistent when lined up in a toolbar, but that's the way they are. I wanted to add a few more commands but they don't have any icons at all now. Still I think some may find this new toolbar convenient; those who hate it, just hide it via the View menu and forget. P.S. As for terminology, all variants except "commands bar" seemed to be too vague or confusing for the new toolbar. And for the former top panel, "Tool options bar/panel" might be OK but is confusing because we have tool preferences tabs in the Preferences dialog, so I'm sticking with "Tool controls [panel]". Feel free to disagree. P.P.S. In reponse to loud complaints from the public, the nasty "Hide Menu" command is hunted down and killed mercilessly. Enjoy its absence :)

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Pango development
by Emanuele Aina 28 Jun '04

28 Jun '04

Reading Planet GNOME (http://planet.gnome.org) I've found that Christopher Blizzard (http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/) is working on custom encondings for Pango. Perhaphs it can be interesting for those who are working on the characters enconding translation (the details are on Christopher's blog). -- Buongiorno. Complimenti per l'ottima scelta.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] commands bar
by bulia byak 28 Jun '04

28 Jun '04

> dont destroy the hide menu button. just add a shortcut key combo to > show/hide it ;-) Well, those who know what they're doing can still hide it by editing preferences.xml. I'm still undecided though. Maybe enabling F10 to show and activate menu, plus a warning on hiding it, will be enough protection? What do you think?

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Re: [Clipart] new inkscape dialogs
by Alan Horkan 27 Jun '04

27 Jun '04

[moved from Clipart back to Inkscape] On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Jon Phillips wrote: > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 03:47:18 -0700 > From: Jon Phillips <jon@...235...> > To: Andrew Fitzsimon <andrew@...420...> > Cc: clipart-list <clipart@...330...> > Subject: Re: [Clipart] new inkscape dialogs > > These are rocking man!!! I can't wait until they are fully implemented. > It would be great if they could be ready by AUGUST so that I can present > them at a couple of conferences and in time for OSCON2004! > > It will be great to show the linkages between metadata in OCAL and in > Inkscape directly!!! You are cool!!! > > Jon > > > On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 23:14, Andrew Fitzsimon wrote: > > Hi guys, just a few mockups comming from inkscape. > > > > bryce mentioned you'd like to see them > > > > http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/obman/obman2.png > > http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/obman/docset.png > > http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/obman/docset2.png I realise these dialogs fit in with Inkscapes current design, the are clear compact and well arranged but I think it is important to consider integration with Gnome. The way I see it Sodipodi tried to make all dialogs as small and as compact as possible, and for non-modal dialogs that are expected to be left permantly open this makes sense. (Other graphics applications refer to these types of Dialogs as Palettes, and I try to do so too). I can understand that the Object Manager is probably something you would want to leave open. These should be considered distinct and seperate from Transient dialogs (modal or non-modal, it doesn't matter) that are not intended to be left open. Transient dialogs are not under the same space constraints. As far as I know the Inkscape developers do want to follow the Gnome Human Interface Guidelines (mostly), so I hope I'm not out of line asking for a more standard layout. The Document settings (document properties?) seems more like the latter type of transient Dialog. The reason I bring this up at all is that I immediatly wondered where the Cancel, OK buttons were. By positioning the "clear" button on the bottom right where the action/OK button usually is I expect some users will absent mindedly clear the data they just typed in when in fact they wanted to dismiss the dialog not clear the information. I believe that the Reset button and Icon the GIMP uses is a stock item, using it instead might help. The abbreviation "Info" should not be used, abbreviations make English harder to understand for non-native speakers and even native speakers will need to take an extra fraction of a second to mentally unscramble it. Anyway from an Internationalisation point of view there needs to be enough space in the user interface to accomodate other languages that are more verbose, so there is no advantage to be gained by the abbreviation. (You might also consider putting the Custom name,value pairs into a seperate tab as it would provide much more room as there could potentially be many other bits of metadata. Offhand I can think of Date, Copyright (which includes licensing), keywords, being needed for OpenClipart.org content). The item "Insert OpenClipart.org RDF" is very specific and could be confusing to new users who have discovered Inkscape through their Linux distribution, perhaps this could be changed to insert metadata from file/template and one of those templates would be the OpenClipart.org metadata? I am not suggesting you redo these dialogs now but I hope you will take on these suggestions and incorporate them whenever you next need to revise the dialog. Hope that helps. Sincerely Alan Horkan

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Hide and Seek! where did the menu bar go?
by Alan Horkan 27 Jun '04

27 Jun '04

Hide and Seek! where did the menu bar go? I turned off the menu bar only to be left wondering how to get it back short of obliterating the config files. Gun ... Foot ... shot ... blood everywhere. The easiest and most obvious solution is to disable the feature. I'm not entirely sure how the feature is useful in normal usage and worthwhile exposing to the users (an autohide option in Fullscreen mode might be more useful than all-or-nothing) but if there is any reason to keep it... Previous versions of inkscape repeated everything in the context menu and I'm glad it no longer does so, but when there is no menubar there needs to be an option to reenable it just as in Fullscreen mode the context menu needs an option to get out of Fullscreen mode. KDE consistantly uses the shortcut Ctrl+M for showing and hiding the menubar, but it is fast becoming clear to me that Inkscape is going to have a disasterous illogical collection of keybindings if we try and have bindings for everything and it is a particularly bad idea to waste keybindings for infrequent actions, particularly reconfiguring the interface which hopefully the users wont want or need to do very often. The Gnome Guidelines recommend against trying to have keybindings for everything, which is not a very helpful recommendation but am becoming more and more convinced that bindings should be reserved for actions that are likely to be repeated often. So I'd recommend against that approach. Inkscape is probably the first Gnome Application I have ever seen that allows you to hide the menubar (i suppose Dia and the GIMP do too but in an entirely different way), the downside of which is that it is the first to face these problems. If there is a solution that we can agree on then Inkscape help forge the way forward and I'll submit it to be added to the Gnome Human Interface Guidelines. At the very least I'm hoping this option to shoot yourself in the foot be sorted out in some way before the next release. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/

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Funcitionality requirement
by Néstor Díaz Valencia 27 Jun '04

27 Jun '04

Hi everybody. I've been using Inkscape lately with LIVES, a linear video studio for linux. LIVES uses frames to create animation (of course) I wonder if a new functionality can be added to Inkscape to export bitmaps sequencially, I mean with this: a checkbox for increment the name of the exported file. We write a filename to export like "livingroom000.png" and then every time I press the export button it will increase the last number at the end: livingroom001.png livingroom002.png livingroom003.png . . . . It will help also with the gap plugin for The Gimp. After that we can easily import a folder to LIVES. I hope this won't suppose a big delay in other more important stuff needed by Inkscape nowadays. Yours: Néstor Díaz

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Nightly windows builds?
by Bryce Harrington 26 Jun '04

26 Jun '04

I'm updating the downloads.php page in preparation for the testing effort. What is the proper link(s) that we should be pointing to for the Windows builds now? Bryce

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Win32 freeze-at-border bug seems to be fixed
by Carl Hetherington 26 Jun '04

26 Jun '04

Hi, I just committed a couple of changes to sp-canvas.cpp that I copied from Sodipodi. They seem to fix the win32 freeze-at-border bug, so please could windows users test the CVS build and see how they get on. The changes are #ifdef'ed only to happen on Win32 (for the moment), so hopefully there should be no Linux side-effects. Carl

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Patch to fix printing problem with shape markers
by Eric Jonas 26 Jun '04

26 Jun '04

The existing ps-output code does not correctly print shape makers, neglecting to apply the transformation. This really sucks if you've been using these markers a lot, as I've been doing in drawing a bunch of FSMs. For an example of code with this problem, see: web.mit.edu/jonas/www/input.FSM.svg The marker definition: <marker style="overflow:visible;" id="TriangleOutM" refX="0.0" refY="0.0" orient="auto" inkscape:stockid="TriangleOutM"> <path transform="scale(0.4)" style="fill-rule:evenodd;stroke:#000000;stroke-width:1.0pt;marker-start :none;" d="M 5.77,0.0 L -2.88,5.0 L -2.88,-5.0 L 5.77,0.0 z " id="path3347" sodipodi:nodetypes="cccc" /> </marker> has the "transform" attribute in its path, and in the current codebase it appears to be ignored. Thus in PS and EPS output, the markers are quite often the wrong size. The error appears to be in sp-shape.cpp, in sp_shape_print. The following patch fixes the problem, and I'd love to submit it via the SF.net patch interface, but their confirmation-mail-script to register an account is ultra-slow today :) Really, we just additionally apply the transformation from the marker_path, a rather simple bug. ...Eric The patch follows: Index: sp-shape.cpp =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/sp-shape.cpp,v retrieving revision 1.38 diff -c -r1.38 sp-shape.cpp *** sp-shape.cpp 22 Jun 2004 17:35:19 -0000 1.38 --- sp-shape.cpp 26 Jun 2004 16:48:21 -0000 *************** *** 568,573 **** --- 568,574 ---- } nr_matrix_multiply (&tr, &marker->c2p, &tr); + nr_matrix_multiply (&tr, &marker_path->transform, &tr); NRMatrix old_tr = marker_path->transform; marker_path->transform = tr;

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scaling & snapping
by bulia byak 26 Jun '04

26 Jun '04

Carl, 1. When you are finished with snapping refactoring, don't forget to update the Release Notes. From my viewpoint, what matters is using of Shift for no-snap mode and it working the same in all tools including node edit. 2. The new scaling origin mode you did does not quite work. The "outermost point" mode works, but the "bounding box" mode does not. Turn on box selection cue, zoom in and draw a small rect with thick stroke. Now when I drag the right handle, the left edge of the rect also moves a bit in the same direction. It must stay unmoved in that mode. 3. Better names for the options are: - Opposite bounding box edge - Farthest opposite node [not point] 4. Additionally the bbox option does not sit well with the "scale stroke" option. When I don't want to scale stroke, i.e. use a compensation after scaling, that compensation moves the bbox of the object even farther away from the original position, making the bug in 2. above worse. This mode must check the value of the "scale stroke" option and take it into account.

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Pango testing - help needed!
by MenTaLguY 26 Jun '04

26 Jun '04

On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 14:24, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: > Inkscape not only rendered improperly, it also crashed. > > I used the raghu font for testing because I'm not sure whether Pango > knows about Gargi yet. > > http://www.yudit.org/download/fonts/raghu.ttf > > There are two attachments. The PNG image is what the letters _should_ > look like. The TXT file is the UTF8 for the letters. > > Therefore, it should be easy for you to reproduce the crash even if > you don't know devanagari. Thank you! This is just what we need for testing. I've filed this as bug #980136 in the bug tracker. -mental

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[Fwd: Re: [Inkscape-user] Pango testing - help needed!]
by MenTaLguY 26 Jun '04

26 Jun '04

-----Forwarded Message----- From: Joshua N Pritikin <jpritikin@...237...> To: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] Pango testing - help needed! Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:54:59 +0530 On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 06:21:17PM +0000, bulia byak wrote: > 2. Here is what SHOULD work now but is not yet tested because we don't > speak these languages. This is where we need your help: I tried the autopackage binary because I didn't want to spend the time to build from CVS. Inkscape not only rendered improperly, it also crashed. I used the raghu font for testing because I'm not sure whether Pango knows about Gargi yet. http://www.yudit.org/download/fonts/raghu.ttf There are two attachments. The PNG image is what the letters _should_ look like. The TXT file is the UTF8 for the letters. Therefore, it should be easy for you to reproduce the crash even if you don't know devanagari.

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Re: [Clipart] Is anyone working on categorizing the existing images?
by Bryce Harrington 26 Jun '04

26 Jun '04

Kees, take a look at this 'wordnet' resource... Bryce On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Mike Linksvayer wrote: > Karl Ove Hufthammer wrote: > > The point is: Images aren't placed in hierarchical categories, > > they have keywords assigned to them. The hierarchy is a separate > > thing. > > Good idea. > > Wordnet <http://xmlns.com/2001/08/wordnet/> may be useful here. > > Example: http://xmlns.com/wordnet/1.6/Flag > > If a keyword is known by Wordnet, a hierarchy is provided. > >

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] 0.39 Release?
by bulia byak 26 Jun '04

26 Jun '04

>By the way, Alan has produced a collection of stock gradients, that >we're going to try to package as part of openclipart (as opposed to >bulking up the Inkscape tarball.) These will get installed to a >directory somewhere in the /usr/share/. Is it possible to inform >Inkscape of the location and identity of these gradients? Yes but not in a short term. The plan is: - switch marker menus to a new table-like widget that is updated on the fly and more responsive - add the same widget and the ability to use stock items to patterns, gradients, symbols etc. >I spent some time testing it and playing with it. It works very well >when compared with the usual RPM issues of finding/downloading various >dependencies. I think it will help us a lot, especially given the new >dependencies we've introduced recently, since it takes care of that for >the user fairly seemlessly. Good, then could you please publish a short version of my plea for help with Pango testing on the site, adding a link to the daily autopackage. >An issue is that we can publish a beta release for testing, get lots of >testing input, but meanwhile developers will be adding bug fixes or even >new code to the release branch. Ideally, betatesters would update >frequently and re-test, but realistically I think we'll get at most one >or two cycles of testing out of people. Branching out a separate beta branch before the release is something we'll definitely need to do for 1.0, but for 0.39 it's perhaps more trouble than it's worth. It only makes sense for really long testing periods. But what I think we can and should do is to allow several days of testing of a final release candidate with TOTAL freeze on CVS, and requiring a certain nunder of people to OK it before it is released. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: Use of "SORBS"...
by Kees Cook 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

Luckily, it looks like my postmaster email reached the one dude I know at SF, and it looks like they'll change their sorbs lists! :) ----- Forwarded message from ----- Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:01:30 -0700 To: Kees Cook <kees@...62...> Cc: postmaster@...34... From: Ari Gordon-Schlosberg Subject: Re: Use of "SORBS"... [Kees Cook <kees@...62...>] > Hello! I see you've started using SORBS, but I'd like to warn that > their "spamtrap" RBL is poorly maintained, and will cause legit > sourceforge users some serious grief. I would recommend using only > their "dialup" RBL, which is not redundant with other zombie-scanning > RBLs. Thanks, Kees, We're re-evaluating that decision at the moment and I think we're just going to use a few of their specific lists. Good to hear from you. -- Ari Gordon-Schlosberg, OSDN NetOps http://sourceforge.net/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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SIGBUS
by Carl Hetherington 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

Hi, I find I have to remove the signal(SIGBUS, inkscape_segv_handler) from inkscape.cpp in order to compile on Windows. My MinGW doesn't seem to know anything about SIGBUS. Does it work for anyone else? Thanks Carl

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g_markup_printf_escaped
by Carl Hetherington 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

Hi, I'm afraid this function (used in the new RDF stuff) doesn't seem to be included in the glib that we are using for the Win32 builds. Is there an alternative? Thanks Carl

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gradient not updating for the drawing
by Artemio 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

Hello! I am using snapshot 20040622. If I go to the gradient editor, and edit the gradient colours, they do not apply to the drawing. Sometimes, the changes suddenly are applied, but it the moments when I switch from HSV to RGB, or at some random moment at all. But more usually I have to switch to whole fill and back to gradient fill to apply the gradient to a drawing. Artemio.

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Pattern manipulation
by John Cliff 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

Hi guys, Have commited the stuff I was working on to give control knots for manipulating pattern fills. Knots are currently provided for translation, rotation and scaling. Theres a circular node at the pattern 0,0 with 2 diamonds, one to the right, and on below (in the pattern co-ord system). To move the pattern, drag the circle, to rotate, drag the diamond to the right, to scale the one below. I'm putting thought into how best to do skew and non uniform scale, however need to discuss that with people, both from UI and maths point of views, so dont intend trying to get those done for 0.39. Cheers John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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test for sorbs
by herve couvelard 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

Xcuse me for that. hervé

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Pattern Fill idea
by Bryce Harrington 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

The pattern fill capability is *great*! I have one suggestion, but have no idea if this is easy or hard... As an option it would be extremely useful to be able to specify "whole object fills only" that would only print the tiled object if it can be done in a non-clipped fashion. For example.... http://www.bryceharrington.com/army_ants.png See in the polygon on the lower right, that only whole shapes are shown. Objects that would be partial fills are excluded. Bryce

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a few recent items
by bulia byak 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

* The rotation/skew axis crosshair in selector remains where you put it for as long as you have the object(s) selected; to reset it to the center, deselect and reselect. Also the crosshair is only displayed in rotate mode, not in scale mode - this makes it easier to drag small objects. * You can reverse the direction of selected path(s) either via Path > Reverse or by pressing 'r' in node tool (useful for markers and combining paths). * In the Fill and Stroke dialog, Stroke Width can use the % unit for relative stroke width changes. When several objects are selected, using the percent unit changes the stroke width of each one relative to its previous value (unlike absolute units which assign an average width to all objects). _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee� Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Testing NLS on win32
by Bob Jamison 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

After some coercion, I added ENABLE_NLS to the makefiles and main.cpp. After a couple of hours we got the build to link properly, then we got the 'dist' to build the LC_MESSAGE dirs properly. What I mean is, I -think- everything is proper. We need people to check this out in whatever their favorite Locale may be; DE, Ethiopian, Klingon, whatever. Let us know how it is working. Bob

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] UI translation status
by Arpad Biro 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

Hi, > Could you tell me how you generate these translation stats? I think > they'd be worthwhile to include in the Inkscape status reports They are generated by a Bash script. Sending it attached. Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Win32 freeze bug: windows users please test a patch
by Carl Hetherington 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

Hi, The following hack seems (for me) to improve matters wrt the win32 freeze-at-border bug. It triggers a few problems elsewhere (failed assertions etc.) but I think they're fixable. Could Win32 people try it and see how they get on? Thanks Carl Index: src/display/sp-canvas.cpp =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/display/sp-canvas.cpp,v retrieving revision 1.8 diff -u -r1.8 sp-canvas.cpp --- src/display/sp-canvas.cpp 29 Apr 2004 04:59:16 -0000 1.8 +++ src/display/sp-canvas.cpp 24 Jun 2004 12:28:16 -0000 @@ -1540,6 +1540,9 @@ sp_canvas_crossing (GtkWidget *widget, GdkEventCrossing *event) { SPCanvas *canvas = SP_CANVAS (widget); + if (canvas->grabbed_item) { + sp_canvas_item_ungrab(canvas->grabbed_item, GDK_CURRENT_TIME); + } if (event->window != SP_CANVAS_WINDOW (canvas)) return FALSE;

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who is involved in Inkscape.org site maintenance?
by Artemio 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

Hello, Inkscapers! I wanted to ask you, who except Bryce is involved in changing things on the Inkscape.org site? It's that I plan uploading some new pages that I'm about to complete, and wanted to be sure I won't intereset with other's changes. I always update the page to the most recent one from CVS, then modify and commit, but during the modification time someone can change it too ;-) I hope you know what I mean. Artemio.

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Partial German translation
by Colin Marquardt 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

Hi, here is an (incomplete) de.po for an older Inkscape CVS snapshot from June 6th. The status is 652 translated messages, 154 fuzzy translations, 129 untranslated messages. If you look through the file, there are some strings marked up with "!!!" where (sometimes) the original string makes it hard to translate (plural forms etc.). When I get some time, I will file proper bugreports about them, unless someone wants to look at it before that :) Cheers, Colin

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Win32 drag-to-border freeze bug
by Carl Hetherington 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hi, I had a play around with this bug today. I'll give some speculative thoughts in case they jog the brains of anyone else who has looked into it. I think it might be related to the fact that no LEAVE_NOTIFY (or whatever it is) is received when you move the pointer out of the window with a mouse button held down (ie in a drag). I think this might in turn be related to the fact that the masking of events is changed during drags. The particular bit I was playing with was dragging a rectangle to the edge of the window. This produces a "freeze" which I think is what people are seeing a lot (mouse pointer gets stuck on the `move' icon, no toolbar buttons or menus work). I then added the LEAVE_NOTIFY_MASK to the mask that is applied to events during a drag, and made the leave notification simulate a button release. This kind of fixed the problem, in that the freeze stops happening, but causes others. Anyway I'll take another look tomorrow and see if I can come up with a proper fix. If anyone has any thoughts I'd be interested. Cheers Carl

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Crash bug in Spiral code
by Bob Jamison 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hi all. User 'tom' on Jabber showed us this crashing bug: 1) Hold down <left mouse button> on a new spiral 2) Hit <spacebar> ...crash. It looks like sp_spiral_write() is being called on the same object twice while trying to duplicate the spiral, and the second time is on a bad object. I added some code at line 144 to check for NULLs, and it avoids the crash. The symptom is fixed, but the root cause needs to be fixed, in that the <space> being hit while the <LMB> is down is not being processed correctly. Should the mouse be disabled? Or should there be some code to make sure the call is done only once? Sounds like maybe Bulia would know how to handle this one. Thanks. Bob

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Pango testing - help needed!
by bulia byak 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

As you know, we recently switched our text system to a new library called Pango. Now that some of the worst bugs and regressions are fixed (definitely not all), and we need your help in testing it thoroughly. 1. Here are the confirmed Pango niceties so far (i.e. what is tested and works): - Text is much smoother. No more ugly autohinting gaps between letters in small sizes. Letters move smoothly when you change letterspacing by Alt+< and Alt+>. - Auto kerning pairs (from the font) now work. For example "AV" will now be kerned together automatically in most decent fonts. - On Windows, non-ASCII text works (tested with Cyrillic). Localized font face names (such as "italic" translated into a local language for Windows fonts such as Arial) are no longer a problem. 2. Here is what SHOULD work now but is not yet tested because we don't speak these languages. This is where we need your help: - Right-To-Left text (Hebrew, Arabic) and BIDI (bidirectional mixed text) seems to work but I'm not sure. - Contextual letterforms that depend on the position in a word and script-specific ligatures (Devanagari) should work. - Chinese and Japanese need testing, especially for how good vertical text works (it is enabled by a button in the Text and Font dialog). 3. And finally the things that don't work (yet): - Symbol fonts seem to have problems, at least the symbol.ttf from Windows. Any help or insights is appreciated. - Fuzzy font matching that worked in 0.38 is not reenabled yet. (No warnings on font substitutions, etc.) Only Italic and Bold faces within a family work so far. This is being worked on. So, grab the latest CVS and play with text as much as you can. We're interested to hear any reports, positive as well as negative. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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UI translation status
by Arpad Biro 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hi, It seems we have only a few weeks left until the next release, so here's the current status of the Inkscape UI translations: am.po 12 % az.po 7 % be.po 26 % ca.po 82 % cs.po 27 % da.po 14 % de.po 27 % el.po 5 % es_MX.po 59 % es.po 99 % et.po 0 % fr.po 51 % ga.po 1 % gl.po 11 % hu.po 100 % it.po 12 % ja.po 43 % mk.po 0 % nl.po 25 % no.po 24 % pl.po 23 % pt_BR.po 1 % pt.po 29 % ru.po 56 % sk.po 29 % sl.po 82 % sr@...311... 28 % sr.po 89 % sv.po 29 % tr.po 25 % uk.po 16 % zh_CN.po 16 % Average 33 % Arpad Biro __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Spanish translation
by Lucas Vieites 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

After a long time without updates, here's the spanish translation, updated to yesterdays cvs. -- Lucas 'Basurero' Vieites Dept. Desarrollo <lucas@...212...> Asix Informática <http://www.asixinformatica.com/> Tel/Fax: +34 986 54 26 98

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joining development
by Gazal, Geraud (MED) 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hi again Inkscape development team, As I really appreciate the tool you're developping, I'd really like to contribute, as soon as my home internet connection is up again. So I guess I'll try to submit tons of bug reports and at least the same amount of RFE (subliminal message : as I'm sometime hobbying with mapmaking, I'm really waiting for the layer features....), but I feel that something is missing in your website/wiki : a clear contribution wishlist. Your web site clearly mentions you welcome new code, patchs, bug reports, RFE, translations, articles (etc); you also exhibit a clear roadmap, but in fact there's something missing for people like me (that would really appreciate to help, but are poor coders/graphists...) : some contribution guidelines. Some clearly stated multifunctional (ie not only technical) needs, for example on a dedicated wiki page... I'd really like to face a list of small/modest but valuable tasks for the improvement of the software, on which current team can't focus due to lack of time. Regards, Matiphas PS I had thought of something like this (can be presented as an array ?): List of needs : * Docs (in text/html/svg/openoffice formats): - user manual in English, plus translations : (French, German, Spanish, Russion, Slovak, Italian...) - FAQ in English, plus translations : (French, German, Spanish, Russion, Slovak, Italian...) - tutorials - update of internationalization of the following languages.... * Tests - System/Subsystem requirement document - Test plan / test items plus traceability matrix linked to the specifications - Tests (results) on the following architectures (Linux, BSD, Win, MacOS, Solaris...) etc etc

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off-topic but related: SORBS, oh sweet SORBS...
by Artemio 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hello, everybody! I am writing this message using a newly-subscribed address. As sourceforge started using SORBS, I could not send any message to Inkscape lists anymore. The machine my artemio.net site is hosted at got into their super-smart database, but this is a clear mistake - read below if you are interested. So now I have to use my other mail located on a US server. The story. I have two web sites hosted at the h2.prohosting.com.ua server (IP = 217.16.18.181). This IP is listed in the SORBS database, and they give the list of abusing hosts: gotov.ru, kak-po-tv.ru, ckz.ru, asiapress.ru, ukt.ru, rakushki.ru, mebgamma.ru, autonomer.ru, corleone.ru, polikomplast.ru, koncert.ru, xprint.ru However, NONE of these hosts are hosted at the server my site and my mail are located at. Here are the IPs these domain names point to: PING gotov.ru = 217.16.16.121 PING kak-po-tv.ru = 217.16.16.116 PING ckz.ru = 217.16.16.109 PING asiapress.ru = unknown host PING ukt.ru = 217.16.16.124 PING rakushki.ru = 217.16.16.134 PING mebgamma.ru = 217.16.16.130 PING autonomer.ru = 217.16.16.115 PING corleone.ru = 217.16.16.110 PING polikomplast.ru = 217.16.16.133 PING koncert.ru = 217.16.28.166 PING xprint.ru = 217.16.25.105 They seem to have all 217.16.*.* addresses as abusing hosts. It's very nice but I don't have those $50 to pay to SORBS to have my address removed. I like anti-spam campaigns but not when they work against me, at the time when I myself try to fight spam. Artemio.

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modified wiki
by Gazal, Geraud (MED) 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hi Inkscape development team, while having a look at your wiki, I've noticed some strange things on it : advertisement for a casino (links and stupid text). -> I've removed them from the impacted pages (see recent changes). There's just a page to remove (I've emptied it) : "Casino" Hope I did not do anything wrong. Regards, and thanks for your excellent software, Matiphas

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PS output problem with line markers
by Eric Jonas 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hello! I've found a bug with the EPS output and line markers... it appears that the markers defined in the <defs> section for line ending (like TriangleOutM) are actually all the same size marker but with different 'transform="scale=(foo)"' attributes in their path. However, the code that converts this into eps evidently ignores the transform. This can be seen from the two files below: http://web.mit.edu/jonas/www/drawing.svg http://web.mit.edu/jonas/www/drawing2.svg Both convert to the same postscript : ) I've tried stepping through the code a bit, but after a few hours I'm giving up and seeing if anyone might point me in the right direction... Any ideas on how to fix this? I'm using yesterday's 0.39 cvs sources... Thanks! ...Eric

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rounded stars fun
by bulia byak 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Today I was in a mood to do something funny... * A wild variety of central-symmetric curvilinear shapes, including softly rounded stars and polygons, can be created using the new Roundedness control on the options panel for the Star tool. The value is a ratio of the length of Bezier control handle to the length of the corresponding polygon side. Values of 0.2 to 0.3 give normal smooth rounded corners. Most other values (negatives are permitted too) deliver tons of sheer excitement. Enjoy! P.S. Following which I'm going to be absent for a few days, as I have an urgent paid job to do. If you need me for something, please try to not forget what you need me for until I'm back :)

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Backtraces and Win32 signals
by Bob Jamison 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Whilst pondering the debugging situation with our development builds, I was wondering if we can provide backtrace information in our builds in case of abnormal termination. Sk1p on IRC/Jabber pointed this out to me in the GLibC docs: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Backtraces.html#Backtraces ...it even has a code example. I noticed that MinGW does support signals to some extent, so I removed the '#ifndef WIN32' switch from that part of inkscape.cpp. Likely inkscape_segv_handler() is now enabled on Win32. Maybe we could add a backtrace to inkscape_segv_handler(), with a note asking the gentle user to send this to us? Maybe save it to a file? Just an idea. Bob

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Scale origin
by Carl Hetherington 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hi, Currently if you select, say, a rectangle and scale it using a knot, the origin for the scale is taken as the opposite corner of the rectangle's bounding box. This is fine if you want snap-to-bounding-box behaviour, but it presents problems if you want snap-to-nodes since the node near the opposite corner of the bounding box will drift wrt its original position. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to take the origin from? If it needs to be optional, how should we decide which point to use for a given instance? Thanks Carl

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape is spectacular -- feature requests?
by bulia byak 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:11:52 +1000, Trent Buck <fubarbaz@...405...> wrote: > <g transform="..."> > <image source="....svg" /> > </g> Perfectly possible, except that you lose vector editability and resolution-independence of the linked images.

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support indexed pallete for exported PNGs?
by Artemio 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hi everybody! I just thought - would it be possible to have a support to export indexed PNGs? I just thought that it might be very useful for web design - for example, I have many icons/buttons/images that have not so many colours, and I use Inkscape to export them to PNG, and no other tool is used after that, I use the Inkscape.s resulting PNG on my pages. In terms of UI, an "indexed colours" checkmark and colour number chooser could be added in the export dialogue. Artemio. -- The official web residence of Artemio -> http://artemio.net/ [local time 08:51:48 (GMT +3) 22 June 2004] [system uptime 22 min]

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slight site reorganisation proposals
by Artemio 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

Hello everybody! I am happy to tell you that yesterday Bryce added me to the Inkscape SF project and now I have access to modify the site ;-) So now it's time to create some nice new galleries of Inkscape usage examples. Here is what I plan, and I won't allow myself a think Current situation (structure). ------------------ Site navigation -> Screenshots -> this page has a link to Examples -> Galleries -> this is a link to a wiki page ------------------ Future scheme (a proposal) ------------------ Site navigation -> Screenshots -> still contains everything it has now -> Galleries -> contains links with thumbnails to [1] Inkscape examples (as now in at the Examples page, plus [2] link to Wiki gallery page (with a thumbnail image too) ------------------ What do you think about my plan? I have already created a new page telling about the creation of the new Artemio.net interface and icons/buttons. I am currently writing a book on sound design (it's getting bigger and bigger), and there are already around 25 structure drawings created with Inkscape, and I plan creating a page about this too. I'd also be glad to add others' info and screenshots! Yours, Artemio. -- Don't be shy, ask Artemio -> http://ask.artemio.net/ [local time 19:14:39 (GMT +3) 22 June 2004] [system uptime 1 hr 22 min]

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terminology - help needed
by bulia byak 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

There are going to be three "toolbars" in Inkscape: 1. Under the menu, horizontal, with buttons for common non-tool-specific operations such as Open, Save, etc. 2. Below 1, horizontal, with too-specific buttons and controls (exists now and is called "top panel" or "aux toolbar"). 3. Vertical at the left, with tool buttons. The question is: How to call them? They are all "toolbars" technically but using the word "toolbar" without distinction is going to be very confusing. Even using "toolbar" for 3 only is going to be confusing because people are used to calling "toolbars" any horizontal rows of buttons. So the names need to be unique but at the same time descriptive and short. Most importantly, they must stick. "Top panel" for 2 did not stick, somehow. Here is the best I could think of: 1. Commands bar 2. Tool controls bar 3. Toolbox Any other ideas? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Menu font size
by bulia byak 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

I've tried this on Windows and it looks much better indeed - the fonts are closer to what standard Windows apps use. Ishmal, can you please include this change into the build kit? Comments from other win32 users are welcome too. On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:26:11 -0700, Maur <maur@...409...> wrote: > > I was wondering how I can could the menu fonts in Inkspace; it displays > display significantly larger than other GTK applications. I found that > by modifying the gtkrc files in \Inkscape\etc\gtk-2.0\, I could get the > size I wanted by replacing this line: > > # gtk-font-name="tahoma 12" > > with this one: > > gtk-font-name="verdana 6.5" > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. > Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - > digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, > unmatched networking opportunities. Visit www.blackhat.com > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-user mailing list > Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user >

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rectangle tool
by Artemio 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

Hello there! I am using Inkscape 0.39 (20040618). Say I have drawn a rectangle. Then I want to resize this rectangle but only horizontally (e.g. make it shorter), but I want this process to be precise, so that object height is fixed while I drag the right bottom resize dot. Currently, this is not possible. If I Ctrl+drag, the rectangle resizes proportionally. If I convert it to curves, I can use the center resize handles to resize it, but I want my corner radii to be left as in original, so I don't want to convert it. Proposal: when Shift+drag is used on the resize dot of the rectangle tool, make only horizontal (fixed y size) and only vertical (fixed x size) resizing possible, depending on where the user drags. Good luck! Artemio. -- The official web residence of Artemio -> http://artemio.net/ [local time 08:44:43 (GMT +3) 22 June 2004] [system uptime 15 min]

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[Fwd: Image stuff in adobe illustrator]
by Ted Gould 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

Hey guys, I just got this from Tuukka who has integrated his image changes into Bryce's updated ill2svg script. Could others have a look at it? I don't have a lot of Illustrator files to test with. I definitely want to get this into the release, I think Illustrator import is a feature that is useful for a lot of users. --Ted PS - Please CC him on any replies, he is not on the mailing list. -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Tuukka Pasanen <tuukka.pasanen@...327...> > To: Ted Gould <ted@...11...> > Subject: Image stuff in adobe illustrator > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:34:30 +0300 > > hi, > I made major approments to CVS version of ill2svg.pl. Now ending stuff is > in corporated to image stuff and some minor text formating (ae and oe.. > i'm from finland we use those a lot) changes appears as well. > > This should goto list but i just can't sign on:((. CVS adder was bryce and > i like to send this diff to him too but ain't got address:(. > > Could you post this script and diff to inkscape list so someone could test > it.. and then it would be possible to add it to CVS. > > Tuukka > > ps. i added whole script so you can verify it's okay...

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Re: Autopackage install attempt with Inkscape on SuSE
by Peter Linnell 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Bryce Harrington wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Carl and I just tried out installation of Inkscape onto his SuSE 9.x box > using autopackage, but ran into a dependency issue for "GTK 2 C++ > bindings". I'm assuming that is the gtkmm2 package. It said that this > would need to be installed manually, however we couldn't find what > package this corresponds to for SuSE (looking at YaST and rpmfind.net.) > > Do you have a suggestion for where we can find this package? Also, it > would be nice if the GUI gave some directions to look when it fails to > find a dependency. >Btw, we tried the redhat 9 rpm's for gtkmm2, but they had half a dozen >dependency issues for perl and some other base libs, so didn't look >feasible. >Also, I re-ran the installer on my own system (which I had successfully >installed with autopackage previously), and it installed without >trouble. I didn't have to install gtkmm2 myself as far as I remember. > > $ rpm -qa | grep gtkmm > gtkmm-1.2.10-143 > gtkmm-devel-1.2.10-143 > $ > >Bryce I tried the autopackage last night on Fedora-1 and it worked perfectly. Impressive how smoothly it worked. I have added links to find gtkmm2 and friends for Suse 9.0 on the wiki under "Compiling inkscape" Suse 9.1 comes with all the needed libraries for Inkscape. Cheers, Peter

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export to PNG of a document that contains angled text objects
by Artemio 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

Hello! I am using Inkscape 20040618. If I have a text object that is turned at some angle, exporting of this object as PNG causes the letters to be misplaced, like if the text was following a wavy curve. Here are two examples: snapshot1.png - this the drawing as seen on the canvas snapshot2.png - this is the original exported image, you can see that the letters are not positioned on a single line as they were on the canvas snapshot3.png - this is the same drawing except that the text object was converted to paths before being exported - you see that it looks just like it should, like on the canvas The most obvious solution (or a workaround?) is to convert the fonts to paths before exporting. Is it a good solution to auto-convert the fonts to paths on every export? Artemio. -- A-Man: Artemio's musical self -> http://a-man.artemio.net/ [local time 12:38:47 (GMT +3) 22 June 2004] [system uptime 20 min]

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] rectangle tool
by Artemio 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

You wrote: > Maybe the trick with the extrahandle to have the radii stay the same > while scaling should be moved into a keybinding for general scaling? > This way, you can still use the right, left, top, bottom and corner > handles, the way you are used to it from scaling rects without radii. Hey, wait up! I dunno what kind of preferences I changed or haven't changed, but if I use the upper/lower vertical or left/right horizontal resize handles for a rectangle object, the covner radii changes while dragging but then reverts to the previous original state after releasing the mouse. I guess I should have tried all ways before posting my message ;-) As always, Inkscape turns out even better than what we think ;-) Artemio. -- The official web residence of Artemio -> http://artemio.net/ [local time 12:24:13 (GMT +3) 22 June 2004] [system uptime 6 min]

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape is spectacular -- feature requests?
by bulia byak 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

> This sounds doable (I didn't -really- want to work on my thesis this > week) but I'm not entirely clear how the libraries would work, I guess. > Would they be a valid SVG document where each top-level group > represented an item ? Not quite, each item in the library will be defined exactly as it is in a normal document, i.e. inside <defs>. Take a look at share/markers/markers.svg. > 1. Keep a copy of each library object used by a document in each > document itself. Yes. > Thus, the document will be editable, but you could > (say) open a library and "update" the linked objects. Updating a symbol from the library is not implemented but can be done easily using inkscape:stock_id attribute for matching. > is that you don't have to find / access the library to edit the lib > object -- it essentially keeps a local copy. The downside is the > explicit update step. Yes, and this is the only way to make SVG editable/viewable outside of your system. > 2. Keep the library files separate. This means that to view/edit a > document, you'd need to be able to access the libray, and the document > would have to know how to find the library. I'm not sure this option is workable with SVG. > exist as Free Software. Can I buy the developers a beer? Sure, if you can catch us - we're scattered around the globe :)

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Autopackage install attempt with Inkscape on SuSE
by Bryce Harrington 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

Hi Guys, Carl and I just tried out installation of Inkscape onto his SuSE 9.x box using autopackage, but ran into a dependency issue for "GTK 2 C++ bindings". I'm assuming that is the gtkmm2 package. It said that this would need to be installed manually, however we couldn't find what package this corresponds to for SuSE (looking at YaST and rpmfind.net.) Do you have a suggestion for where we can find this package? Also, it would be nice if the GUI gave some directions to look when it fails to find a dependency. Fwiw, we also had to use the `xhost +` trick to be able to see the GUI. Thanks, Bryce

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] terminology - help needed
by bulia byak 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

>1. "Function Bar" >2. "Object Bar" >3. "Main Toolbar" 1 and 3 are acceptable, but 2? It's not related to any specific object, but to the current tool. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-user] terminology - help needed
by bulia byak 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

> Can two toolbars be placed end to end yet? > (I dont recall being able to do so with GTK widgets in the past or with > any of the applications i randomly tested with) Maybe in the next version of GTK, not sure about the current one > Rather than trying to fit everything into a single standard toolbar (which > if crowded wont fit on small displays) it would be better to have a few > smaller logically organised toolbars (which wont look good on large > displays unless they can be put end to end on the same row). Agree, but this will need to wait for better toolbar management in GTK > An alternative approach might be to somehow add these features to the Zoom > box that is permanently embedded in the status bar. Already done, right-click it and you'll see the commands in the menu.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] terminology - help needed
by bulia byak 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

>FWIW, I don't find it confusing. If a car salesmam sells cars, a book >shelf holds books Note however that it's more often bookshelf, not book shelf, for exactly this reason. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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terminology - help needed
by bulia byak 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

>1. One >2. Two >3. Three ALmost perfect, but unfortunately only works by referring to the original mailing list thread :) >Lose the plurality: command bar, tool control bar, toolbox. I think losing the plurality only makes sense if we combine words into one, e.g. "commandbar", otherwise it's confusing (which command? which tool control?) >1 Main Bar It's not "main" in any reasonable sense imho. >2 Tweak Bar ([Fine] Tuning? Not descriptive enough. >2 [Tool] Options? They're not exactly options; they're controls that make sense for the tool and let you use it. >3. Tool Options bar And 3 is not options either, it has tools themselves. >Calling it the `toolbox' is a bit of a misnomer, since it's not a box >anymore. `Tool Bar' is worse, unfortunately. Yes. >1. "Application Toolbar" (for generally-applicable actions) Maybe, but kinda vague. Don't other bars belong to the same application? > 2. "Modal Toolbar" (the horizontal modal action/option bar) Correct technically, but confusing. A modal dialog is the one which freezes the app; what does a modal toolbar freeze? >3. "Tool Selector" (the vertical tool selector bar) Hmm. "Please select the Selector tool on the Tool Selector." Not gonna work :) >1. "Function Bar" Function or Functions? Anyway this seems to be a close equivalent to "Commands bar". _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] RE: [ inkscape-Bugs-973768 ]letterspacingbroken
by bulia byak 20 Jun '04

20 Jun '04

>Remember that Inkscape isn't only a visual editor, it's a structural >editor too. I don't see the connection with inheritance. If we introduce a non-standard property, it needs to be at least limited and predictable. Making it inherited will give it a degree of unwelcome unpredictability while not providing any significant advantage. And besides, even if Inkscape "isn't only a visual editor", this does not apply to -inkscape-face. This is a purely visual property which results from the user _seeing_ some font and deciding that it's good. It makes little sense to set this property when editing CSS offline; for that, normal CSS properties are usually better. >IOW, -inkscape-face should take precedence if it matches the normal >CSS-specified font closely enough; otherwise it is ignored. Yes, that it what I have in mind, and ignoring -inkscape-face on mismatch is OK too if accompanied by a warning (this is going to be an exceptional situation anyway, never affecting most users). But I don't see why we must make it inherited. _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Compiling Inkscape CVS on Solaris 2.8
by Colin Marquardt 20 Jun '04

20 Jun '04

Hi, I'm trying to compile inkscape-20040527 with gcc (GCC) 3.3.2 on a SunOS foo 5.8 Generic_108528-22 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V240 machine. I had to fix a few things: Use <inttypes.h>, not <stdint.h> in src/display/sp-canvas.h, src/livarot/DblLinked.h, src/livarot/LivarotDefs.h, src/livarot/AVL.h, src/livarot/Shape.h, src/livarot/ShapeUtils.h, src/livarot/Ligne.h (see http://www.lns.cornell.edu/public/COMP/info/autoconf/Header-Portability.html) Replace round() with rint() according to http://news.gw.com/freebsd.gnome/1237 in src/object-edit.cpp, src/spiral-context.cpp fabsf() was undeclared (I just put in "fabs()", not sure if this is correct) in src/sp-shape.cpp (see http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/java/2001-01/msg00465.html). I could make a patch for these changes if wanted. Now, with the following error, I assume it happens because the Makefile is using Solaris' as instead of GNU's "gas": In file included from style.h:19, from sp-typeset-kplayout.cpp:26: sp-marker.h: In member function `SPMarker* SPMarkerReference::getObject() const ': sp-marker.h:94: warning: cast from `SPObject*' to `SPMarker*' increases required alignment of target type In file included from sp-typeset-kplayout.cpp:30: sp-use.h: In member function `SPItem* SPUseReference::getObject() const': sp-use.h:25: warning: cast from `SPObject*' to `SPItem*' increases required alignment of target type sp-typeset-kplayout.cpp: In function `void sp_typeset_rekplayout(SPTypeset*)': sp-typeset-kplayout.cpp:325: warning: cast from `GTypeInstance*' to `SPTypeset* ' increases required alignment of target type /usr/ccs/bin/as: "/var/tmp//ccUeTaeq.s", line 5631: error: constant value must be between -4096 and 4095 gmake: *** [sp-typeset-kplayout.o] Error 1 (I include some of the warnings I get for virtually every file for good measure :) I have stopped here for today since I didn't find the "as" call immediately; I hope the above is helpful for portabilty. Hints about the as/gas problem are appreciated. Cheers, Colin

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select statusbar bug
by MenTaLguY 20 Jun '04

20 Jun '04

just a quick note that I've fixed the selection status message bug. that is all. -mental

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] 0.39 Release?
by bulia byak 20 Jun '04

20 Jun '04

>How do people feel about timeframes for doing a release? I haven't yet finished all the featurework I planned for 0.39. Maybe in a week. Others I know are also in the middle of something (Karl, Sim, Mental) which would be nice to have finished. Mental's work on statusbar absolutely must be finished. So I suggest that people report to the list when they're done with features and can go into the freeze and bugfixing stage. I cannot yet. Also I'll need time to document the major new things in tutorials. This also needs time. And I want to do more redrawing cursors and icons, which is cosmetics but also important. Also we need to make testing easier for people this time. I'd suggest making nightly autobuilds for Linux too (or maybe autopackages), not only for Windows, during the ауфегку freeze so that we can get feedback from those who don't feel like compiling. And we need to announce our unofficial betas earlier and wider, to prevent things like the .1 release we had to do last time. Meanwhile the most important change, Pango, can already be tested by people. I'll now write a separate message on this. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] RE: [ inkscape-Bugs-973768 ] letterspacingbroken
by bulia byak 20 Jun '04

20 Jun '04

>Something to think about is how to cope with a conflict between >-inkscape-face and the normal CSS font properties. I think -inkscape-face should have precedence. This is the best method we have for choosing the correct font, i.e. the one that the user actually set on the text previously. CSS properties are a fallback; if we can't find the exact match for -inkscape-face, we'll try to find the best approximate match from these properties (and so will do all non-Inkscape renderers). Conflicts can only happen if someone has tweaked Inkscape SVG outside of Inkscape changing the CSS properties but not -inkscape-face. In that case I think we should issue a warning but still use -inkscape-face for matching. >This is not much of an issue yet, but we will at least be forced to >think about it more when we have better CSS support (for example, what >if -inkscape-face is inherited, but different CSS properties are set >locally?) It should not be inherited I think. It's an unnecessary complication in a visual editor. If you want to apply it to many objects, just apply it to each one. >On a separate note, I think it would be worthwhile to preserve Pango >font substitution in cases where none of the user-specified alternatives >contain the desired codepoints, if we can, as well as how to deal with >alternative fonts in the UI in the first place. Codepoints are taken care of automatically now. The font we finally select (no matter by which method) and store in SVG is just the "default font" given to Pango which does layout and uses substitute fonts if the Unicode text needs them. For example right now you can create a text object with the default font, which is Vera Sans, and then switch your keyboard to Cyrillic or Arabic and type - everything will be displayed properly using substitute fonts because Vera Sans has neither Cyrillic nor Arabic in it. And in SVG, the text object is still marked up with a single font. It's really cool. Even Adobe SVG can't do that (although Batik can). _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Easy testing of Inkscape builds on Linux with Autopackage
by Bryce Harrington 19 Jun '04

19 Jun '04

Hi Guys, One of the cool new features for this upcoming release is something called 'autopackage', which if it works, promises to make it very easy to install Inkscape on Linux, especially if you're using an RPM-based system. But to make sure this works we need folks to test it out. It's easy to do so. Here are some screenshots so you can see what it'll look like: http://autopackage.org/gallery.html First, download this file: http://navi.cx/~mike/inkscape/inkscape-0.39cvs.package Next, follow the four steps on this page: http://autopackage.org/docs/howto-install/index.html Finally, write down anything that you find confusing or have problems with during the installation or while using the program, and put your feedback into the bug tracker for Inkscape. (See Report Bugs on the Inkscape website.) Note that each day you can re-run the .package file to update to the latest and greatest inkscape code. Thanks, Bryce

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Inkscape windows installer script?
by Alan Horkan 19 Jun '04

19 Jun '04

Anyone know where to find the NSIS installer script for Windows? I downloaded the source tarball but didn't find it there. I think i might be able to add to it and reorganise things, I've used NSIS before. If it is in CVS somewhere I'd very much appreciate a direct path so that I dont have to download to many other files to get at it. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/

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