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Re: [Inkscape-devel] window layout configurable
by Peter Linnell 14 May '04

14 May '04

> Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 01:27:36 -0700 > From: "Ted Gould" <ted@...11...> > To: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] window layout configurable > > > --=-D6IVPrKjlX/peJPMF1l6 > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Thu, 2004-05-13 at 00:17, bulia byak wrote: > > >2. When saving a document, suggest a name like "untitled.svg". > >=20 > > Ted, is this hard to do? > > Okay, I think that this is in CVS right now. Good idea, but I would extend this a bit more, append a -1 and a function to auto-increment the number to the file name for a given session. <snip> > I also changed it so that > the save directory defaults to your home directory instead of the pwd.=20 > I don't know if that is a good thing or not. It is probably more > intuitive for new users - but it is not how other applications work. > > --Ted Err. No. Very bad behavior IMO. Especially with any kind of program which works with images, art or remotely touches DTP. Why? Once you begin working with any kind of editing tool + DTP, directory organization becomes *really* important. One of the most maddening issues some apps on Win2k/Xp is its stubborn insistence on saving everything into "My Documents" instead of staying in the current working directory. This is a MS default btw. I think the MS way is lame but that's another issue. As a test, I tried hacked the win2k registry to make the "My Documents" silliness disappear - you can :-) Similar behavior with GTK apps is my number one complaint with Gnome/GTK in general. Every app defaults to $home with no possibility to set a default anywhere else. I want inkscape SVG's to be opened and saved into $home/Documents/svg or $home/$client/$project where I have artwork, text and other bits. If I open a file in $home/$client/webproject/images its maddening to make 3,4,5 clicks to save a file with revisions under a different name. When working with images and artwork, it is common to save several revisions to the same core file, but saved under a variation in the base file name. Once Inkscape becomes accepted (not long they way you are progressing..)into the pro designers toolkit, cross-platform network awareness is going to be important. I asked Mental on jabber if it would be possible to specify a default directory to save docs, but he mentioned this might pose a coding issue. Fair enough. Maybe GTK 2.4 will help with this. In Scribus, we shamelessly used the Open Office method of making a home button in the file save dialog, which can be directed anywhere in the prefs. It just works TM. Cheers, Peter "Not wanting to sound whiny about his fav SVG app" Linnell

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] window layout configurable
by bulia byak 14 May '04

14 May '04

>Good idea, but I would extend this a bit more, append a -1 and a >function to auto-increment the number to the file name for a given >session. Agree >Err. No. Very bad behavior IMO. Especially with any kind of program >which works with images, art or remotely touches DTP. Why? > >Once you begin working with any kind of editing tool + DTP, directory >organization becomes *really* important. I agree, but there are different scenarios here: 1 You work on some doc, then do Save As. Naturally it should default to the directory where the previous version was saved. 2 You work on some doc, then do ctrl+n, draw another one, and save. Where? I think again, the directory of the previous document is the best choice. (This might be the same as the directory of the previous save, if that document was saved before you do the new one.) 3 You just open up an empty Inkscape, draw something, and save. There are two possibilities: 3a save where the last save was made (even if it was in a previous session) or 3b save to the current dir. I like 3a better, here's why: If I want a document to be saved in a specific dir which is different from the dir of the last save (or was never before saved to), I want to be able to use a different approach: cd to that dir, run "inkscape newfile", get a messagebox saying "newfile.svg not found in /dir/, create?", answer Yes, and have that document created in that dir. This also needs to be implemented, and when we have it, there will remain no reason to offer to save to the current dir ever. 4 If we go with 3a, the absolutely last resort (when there were no previous saves ever) can be the home dir. So, to summarize, I seem to propose to always offer to save into the dir where the last save was done, and failing that, to the home dir, _except_ maybe when you do Save as of a document (then go to that document's dir) or a first save of a document which was Ctrl+N'ed from another one. (These two exceptions may often give the same results as the "save to last save location" method.) Plus implement the "file creation from commandline" logic. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page � FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Help with more grid problems
by bulia byak 14 May '04

14 May '04

> > No, this is wrong. You almost always want to snap to nodes. In the > > rare case that someone actually wants to snap to the bounding box they > > can use stroke to path to convert the shape to a new set of nodes. > > Please, don't start making preferences for everything! > >Personally, I'd be perfectly happy with this. But as soon as someone says >"I myself use bbox snapping" then I'm ok, in this case, with making it >optional. I agree about keeping preferences down where possible. Let me repeat, I do see lots of use for bbox snapping. When you snap a rect's sides to grid at 0mm and 10mm, you expect that rect to be exactly 10mm wide. With node snapping, it's not. So when I'm exporting a 10mm wide png, my rect will be clipped. (I'm sure someone will one day submit this as a bug, if we make node snapping the default.) Also what do I do if I want a row of rects with different stroke widths to all fit into the same width or height? Actually, why argue - why can't we have both node and bbox snapping enabled all the time? I don't see why this won't work. Surely these snappoints will be close enough to each other, but if you do care at all about what you snap, chances are you work at a magnification high enough to distinguish them. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Help with more grid problems
by bulia byak 13 May '04

13 May '04

>Actually, that example you gave opens another similar issue: snapping >correctly on object creation as well as moving / scaling. But I think >that can be made optional using the same UI as for move / scale snapping. Yes. >IMHO, the point of having /only/ node snapping is that you /don't/ have to >work at a high magnification --- the program takes care of doing what you >expect. Then when you look at things in detail you don't get any nasty >surprises. OK, I agree, but then please provide three options: snapping at bbox, nodes, or both. I like to have the "both" option. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page � FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Help with more grid problems
by bulia byak 13 May '04

13 May '04

>No, this is wrong. You almost always want to snap to nodes. I can see valid uses for both kinds of snapping. >they can use stroke to path to convert the shape to a new set of nodes. >Please, don't start making preferences for everything! I see absolutely no problem with Inkscape becoming the most configurable vector editor ever, even if some options are used by 0.001% of users. Besides their direct value of configurability, options also have educational value: if they're logically named and laid out, looking at the preference dialog page instantly gives you a good idea of the program's capabilities. _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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file open/save dialog
by Artemio 13 May '04

13 May '04

Hello! I noticed that if you have several Inkscape instances, and you fire up a file save or open dialogue with one of them, you cannot close those other instances until you close this open/save dialogue. Artemio. -- ArtemioLabs :.: innovative audio laboratories :.: http://artemiolabs.com [local time 14:27:50 (GMT +3) 13 May 2004] [system uptime 1 hr 19 min]

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] window layout configurable
by bulia byak 13 May '04

13 May '04

>1. "File" toolbar which would repeat the File menu. We even have a patch for this in the RFE tracker: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=902331&group_id=93… However the patch has a button size mismatch with the top panel buttons which looks ugly. Also before we make more than one horizontal toolbar, I want these toolbars to be totally configurable by dragging, so I could e.g. position a number of short toolbars in one row. I think someone mentioned that GTK 2.4 has support for this but we don't use it yet. >2. When saving a document, suggest a name like "untitled.svg". Ted, is this hard to do? _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Help with more grid problems
by Carl Hetherington 13 May '04

13 May '04

Hi, My next grid problem is this: 1. Turn the grid on. 2. Draw a 1x1 square on this grid using the pen tool. Note that the nodes of this square are snapped to the grid. 3. Scale this square using the handles and stop when the scale snaps near a size of 2x2. Now that square's nodes are no longer snapped to the grid. AFAICS this is because the scaling makes use of the sp_item_bbox_desktop(), which includes line widths. It suggests to me that the only way to solve this problem is to have a second bounding box function that considers nodal positions only. Then this could (optionally) be used for scaling. Any thoughts? Have I missed something? Thanks Carl

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[Fwd: [Sodipodi-list] feature request / suggestion]
by Jon Phillips 13 May '04

13 May '04

-----Forwarded Message----- > From: organism@...352... > To: sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [Sodipodi-list] feature request / suggestion > Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:25:57 -0700 > > It would be particularly handy to be able to "lock" the length [or other properties] of a segment [vector between nodes]. > > I envision that if a segment's length were locked, then the movement of one end node would result in a circular motion. This would be very, very handy for constructing precision geometric shapes. > > I can also see how the ability to lock the angle defined by two nodes would be handy as well. The movement of one end node in this circumstance would result in "sliding" the node along a precision vector, allowing the expansion in length of a segment without altering it's angle. > > In other news... still hoping for one day: > Text along a path, and > Text defined by box [meaning the box is resized and the text's breaks are automatically redefined to fit]. > > No complaints, though! I use sodipodi for a tremendous amount of things nowadays! > > --gcr > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: SourceForge.net Broadband > Sign-up now for SourceForge Broadband and get the fastest > 6.0/768 connection for only $19.95/mo for the first 3 months! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=2562&alloc_id=6184&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Sodipodi-list mailing list > Sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sodipodi-list -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org

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file previews?
by Artemio 13 May '04

13 May '04

Hello there! Well, I was thinking that, what if a preview was available in "open file" dialogue? I know you are using a default gtk dialogue. But maybe you can tweak it to have a preview, ala GIMP 2.0? The top 10 feature requester, Artemio. ;-P -- A-Man :.: new music from Artemio :.: http://a-man.artemio.net [local time 14:32:33 (GMT +3) 13 May 2004] [system uptime 1 hr 24 min]

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