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Re: [Inkscape-devel] inverse handles
by bulia byak 28 Feb '04

28 Feb '04

> > I made the selector handles inverse and tweaked their shapes a bit. > > Some of the colors of node edit and shape knots are also changed. > > Comments welcome. > >I find the handles in CVS at present (2004-02-27) uglier than the blue >handles in the usual case of white background. The one other person I've >asked agrees. Any other opinions? Everyone please speak up! >Can we change things such that on a white background things look as they >used to? Not unless I'm forced by popular vote, and in that case I'll have to patch my copy to have inversion anyway. Or implement handle styles so everybody could use what they like best. You know, the point of having these hamdles is not so they are "beautiful". The point is that they are intuitive, immediately visible, and immediately recognizable. As a person who spends hours in Inkscape doing real design work, I am of the opinion that inversion helps immensely. At first I thought that the new handles are maybe a bit too bright and large, but after some time I grew to appreciate their visibility. >If the only non-white part of the background is overlap with thick black >stroking (say 8--20 pt), then inversion is annoying (distracting) rather >than helpful. On the contrary, in such cases inversion helps me not lose track of the image. It just takes some getting used to - after some time your brain switches to the "inverse mode" and learns to abstract the handle and the background into different planes of perception, so they never obscure or damage each other. >Maybe try having a one-pixel-wide white border around the existing >one-pixel-wide black border, and use semi-transparency rather than >xor'ing. You know, I've tried many coloring variants, including all kinds of borders, before I reluctantly set it to plain inversion. Reluctantly because most other apps use inversion too, and I hoped I could invent something smarter than most. Nope, it did not work. Any border immediately makes the handles look noisy (there's no AA) and overcomplex, and any color of their own damages the subconscious abstraction of the handles as something entirely different than the objects. Besides, it is well known in design that transparency and fancy colors only work starting from some minimum size; in too small objects they only give you annoying "dirt". Small things must use bold simple colors (or inversion) to be visible and usable. > I'd guess that semi-transparency would be more real-world-like >than xor'ing, and hence perhaps less distracting. Being real-world-like is a good goal when you are drawing a real-world-like picture. When you are creating an _interface_ to help you draw pictures, however, the goal is different and in some aspects even opposite. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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inverse handles
by bulia byak 28 Feb '04

28 Feb '04

I made the selector handles inverse and tweaked their shapes a bit. Some of the colors of node edit and shape knots are also changed. Comments welcome. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] paste: ctrl+v
by bulia byak 27 Feb '04

27 Feb '04

>who would not want to paste in place? Most people use copy/paste for moving objects to other documents or to other parts of a document. Therefore it makes perfect sense to paste into where you are working now, instead of the old place which may well be invisible in your current view area. If you want to duplicate an object without moving it, you don't need copy/paste; use simply Duplicate (Ctrl+D). All vector apps I know paste into the current work area, not in the original place. It's kind of like in text editor: when you paste text, you want it to appear at your cursor, not in its original location, right? >Is there a way to have ctrl+v do >paste in place instead of just paste? this already pissed me off, when I >was using adobe indesign, but I was able to quickly change that. How do >I do so in inkscape? There's no easy way to do this until we make all shortcuts configurable (it's in our plans). For now you can edit src/shortcuts.cpp replacing sp_shortcut_set (SP_SHORTCUT_CONTROL_MASK | GDK_v, SP_VERB_EDIT_PASTE, true); sp_shortcut_set (SP_SHORTCUT_CONTROL_MASK | GDK_V, SP_VERB_EDIT_PASTE, false); sp_shortcut_set (SP_SHORTCUT_CONTROL_MASK | SP_SHORTCUT_ALT_MASK | GDK_v, SP_VERB_EDIT_PASTE_IN_PLACE, true); sp_shortcut_set (SP_SHORTCUT_CONTROL_MASK | SP_SHORTCUT_ALT_MASK | GDK_V, SP_VERB_EDIT_PASTE_IN_PLACE, false); with sp_shortcut_set (SP_SHORTCUT_CONTROL_MASK | GDK_v, SP_VERB_EDIT_PASTE_IN_PLACE, true); sp_shortcut_set (SP_SHORTCUT_CONTROL_MASK | GDK_V, SP_VERB_EDIT_PASTE_IN_PLACE, false); sp_shortcut_set (SP_SHORTCUT_CONTROL_MASK | SP_SHORTCUT_ALT_MASK | GDK_v, SP_VERB_EDIT_PASTE, true); sp_shortcut_set (SP_SHORTCUT_CONTROL_MASK | SP_SHORTCUT_ALT_MASK | GDK_V, SP_VERB_EDIT_PASTE, false); and recompile. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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paste: ctrl+v
by David Christian Berg 27 Feb '04

27 Feb '04

who would not want to paste in place? Is there a way to have ctrl+v do paste in place instead of just paste? this already pissed me off, when I was using adobe indesign, but I was able to quickly change that. How do I do so in inkscape? David

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xft font fixes
by bulia byak 27 Feb '04

27 Feb '04

Today I looked into how Inkscape finds and presents fonts (using Xft, i.e. this only affects Linux). Lots of problems are now fixed. 1. For some reason, Inkscape ignored all fonts from *.pfa files, commenting thus: /* fixme: This is silly and evil */ /* But Freetype just does not load pfa reliably (Lauris) */ /* Changed to exclude pfa, better for OSX */ In my tests, pfa fonts are loaded just as well as any other fonts. So I restored the pfa loading capability. Now I need someone else to confirm that it works with pfa fonts. This may fix bug 894947. 2. Much worse, when parsing a font, Inkscape (that is, Sodipodi, because this part of the code did not change from Sodipodi times) only pays attention to weight and slant - and nothing else. As a result, font faces within a family that differ in some other parameters (condensed, outline, small caps etc) were simply ignored, not used and not shown. Until today, Inkscape only loaded 173 font faces on my system; after I fixed this and the pfa loading, it shows 202! This will likely fix bug 904962. 3. The names for faces within a family were constructed by Inkscape from the numeric weight and slant parameters. As a result, all fonts were shown in the list as "Normal", "Italic", etc., even when the fonts used different style names (Regular, Book, Slanted etc). Now it remembers and uses for display the exact style name of the font as returned by Xft. 4. When sorting full font names into families, a rather stupid algorithm was used which unreliably compared font names with family names. As a result, fonts sometimes ended up in wrong families. This is now fixed, each font remembers its exact full name and family name as reported by Xft. 5. Very annoyingly, the list of styles in the Text dialog was not sorted. Now it is sorted so that Regular or Roman always comes first, then Italic, Bold, Bold Italic. TODO: This is only tested on Linux. I may well have broken something on Windows. This also requires additional testing (and likely coding) to accommodate non-ASCII font names and style names. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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[Fwd: Re: [Sodipodi-list] Re: Reply To: Sodipodi / *nkscape...]
by Jonathan Phillips 27 Feb '04

27 Feb '04

This is an unfortunate attitude. I disagree thoroughly with many points of contention in the following forward. I do think the best course of action towards this type of negative emotional criticism is to blow past it and focus on the goals (ie, our roadmap--prove the critics wrong). My initial response was to point by point discuss reply to this on the sodi-list, but I do not agree with that philosophy, as I feel that Inkscape is moving in the totally proper way. The reason we forked is because the codebase was being held up and communication was being routed (basically) through one person's decision-making. While the codebase might be open source, that style of management sounds similar to many top-down closed source projects, and thank God that both codebases are GPL'ed. FYI Jon -----Forwarded Message----- From: Tobias Jakobs <tobias.jakobs@...128...> To: Sodipodi <sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Sodipodi-list] Re: Reply To: Sodipodi / *nkscape... Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:48:51 +0100 Am Do, den 26.02.2004 schrieb Lauris Kaplinski um 22:44: > Hello! > > It was probably complicated story, but I know little about > the actual reasoning among the *scape guys. But certain aspects > of their immediate behaviour were unacceptable in my opinion. > - Immediately after creating fork, instead of keeping low > profile for a while, they started massive advertizing > (and vapourware) campaign to draw the attention away from > sodipodi to their project. Sodipodi had progressed slowly > to the state, where it started to draw more and more > attention. I think that was normal PR and in every News was the sentence "Inkscape is a Sodipodi fork." And that is even PR for Sodipodi. This was not against Sodipodi. > I had personally hoped to start making money > working on it, How? > that is now very much hopeless, as I have > no resources to compete. They will slow down, belief me. > - The for was from the start not so much about technical > disagreements, No technical disagreements? C++ vs. C SVG vs. perhaps something else GTK vs. "gtk is to slow perhaps I will something new" > but about personal egos. Other than small > cosmetic changes, *scape is targetting exactly the same > audience, development and usage philosophy than sodipodi. > So this makes quite clear, why they chose to do total > rename, instead of working on 'sodipodi on steroids' or > whatever similar thing. > - The main initiator of fork was at the same time working > for major OSS promoting organization (OSDL). This gave > him instant advantage by having more connections and > resources to promote the fork. I also find it quite > inappropriate for an employee of OSS promoting organization > to 'steal' other people's project. > You haven't lost anything. And it is there right to fork, even if it is just because they don't like the maintainer. > In brief - thay take my (plus several other contributors) > 4-year work, branded it as their own, and started 'selling' > it as their own. If that is, how free software developments > turns out (the ones with more advertizing power always screw > independent developers), I see little reason, why we should > case about OSS more than from properietary ways. > Advertising is for OSS as important as for proprietary software and it always was. Think about Linux vs. BSD ... > Sorry for ranting... :-( > I can understand you. > > Do you have any plans to arrange Sodipodi's GUI to > > something similar to *nkscape's ??? > > Currently, this is *nkscapes only 'Real' advantage over > > Sodipodi ( as it improves the workflow considerably ). > > I do not know, what you exactly mean by rearranging sodipodi > GUI. The medium-term target for us is GIMP-2 GUI with detachable, > draggable, dockable toolboxes and dialogs (althoguh without > per-window menubar probably). The Incsape GUI is really bad, you need much more clicks and mouse moves and if you use more than one document it is even worse. I really love the GIMP2 GUI. MfG Tobias

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by bulia byak 27 Feb '04

27 Feb '04

Hi Bob, I just tried your software for cross-compiling win32 inkscape on linux, and got this: libinkscape.a(xml-tree.o)(.text+0x47a7):xml-tree.cpp: undefined reference to `in_dt_coordsys(_SPObject const&)' make[1]: *** [inkscape.exe] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/d/ink/test/inkscape/src' make: *** [all] Error 2 Any ideas? _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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bug: crash when trying to close path
by John Cliff 27 Feb '04

27 Feb '04

Hi folks, I know the aim is to close bugs not open them, but I've found another "crashes it every time i do it" bug. Steps to crash inkscape are as follows: create a rectangle, switch to path mode, convert it to path, select the 2 nodes on one side and hit the + a couple of times so you have one side divided into 4 sections. select 2 of the new nodes, and split the path, now select the same 2 nodes and hit tje join path at selectd nodes button, and voila, error box. error on win2k reads: **ERROR**: file nodepath.cpp:line2778(void sp_nodepath_subpath_close(SPNodeSubPath*)): assertion failed: (sp->first->cpde == ART_MOVETO) aborting... after which it bombs out. entered in tracker as bug #900635 cheers John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] RE: yet another patch
by bulia byak 27 Feb '04

27 Feb '04

>ok, that was a numerical instability in the Ligne.cpp >file. Thanks, that one is fixed. >on my box, the second example you sent me didn't >produce any errors. it might be that floating point >computations are different since it's a PowerPC CPU, >but still, it's intriguing I attach a screenshot. Does it help? I have found no more rendering problems so far. The only thing I'm concerned about is the speed. Like I said, it's not intolerably bad, but it's noticeably slower than before at high zooms. It would be nice to avoid such regression. Do you think your code can be optimized for speed? Have you tried to optimize it already? _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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presentation slides
by Jonathan Phillips 27 Feb '04

27 Feb '04

Hello all, I had some time today and earlier found out that I am going to give a presentation about Inkscape at UCSD at this place Center for Research in Computing and the Arts, and thus, made some default slides for presentations of Inkscape. They are in the head inkscape cvs module in share/examples/ . They are perfect for standard screen sizes and I made em look purty. Talk amongst yourselves, or tweak, change and rearrange. I will put my entire presentation slides online as I'm developing a little 15 minute presentation. Is this the proper place for these? Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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