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New version of Alchemy is out w/ SVG support
by Joshua A. Andler 08 Jan '10

08 Jan '10

SVG support was added to svn a little while ago, but now it's in a release. You can set your preferred vector format to SVG now instead of PDF. I personally find it compliments Inkscape nicely. http://al.chemy.org/news/alchemy-008-beta-release/ Cheers, Josh

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Devlibs SVN
by Krzysztof Kosiński 08 Jan '10

08 Jan '10

Hello 1. Where is Windows devlibs SVN hosted? 2. Why it contains .pyc files? 3. Why is glibmm version lower than GLib version (2.14 and 2.16 respectively)? 4. How can I get commit access? 5. Where is libxslt.pc? PS: I just installed WinXP in VirtualBox, and it works very well. I'll post a walkthrough on a wiki. This should enable more people to help with Windows problems. Regards, Krzysztof

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Spray tool: code
by Krzysztof Kosiński 07 Jan '10

07 Jan '10

Hello Here are some remarks about the spray tool that are not related to its UI. Major issues: 1. The tool is very slow in single path mode - it updates XML after adding each object. XML should be updated only when the mouse is released, like in the node tool. 2. Single path mode uses sp_selected_path_union, which spams the undo stack with union operations and destroys selection. Ideally, 2Geom or livarot functions should be used directly, and if that's not possible, sp_selected_path_union_skip_undo. 3. Undo doesn't work correctly for single path mode - Ctrl+Z undoes only one sprayed copy. Less important issues: 4. Clones are created by creating XML nodes directly. Shouldn't the SP layer be used instead? 5. Cryptic pref names like "doo", "doh". 6. sp_spray_recursive has lots of parameters. 7. spray-context.cpp:554 is a crucial formula that is unreadable and undocumented. 8. Indentation in sp_spray_context_root_handler is, mildly put, unorthodox. 9. get_dilate_radius, get_path_force, get_path_mean, etc. - I don't like this. 10. random_position - data passed by non-const reference to a function that doesn't modify it. Regards, Krzysztof

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-user] Future plans for speeding up Inkscape?
by Joshua L. Blocher 06 Jan '10

06 Jan '10

> My conclusion is that 3D hardware can indeed greatly improve 2D > rendering performance. I'd really like to see these great speed > improvements pushed into a project like inkscape someday, but I am > generally not an open source developer (I'm happily stuck in the world > of Delphi programming). > Your more then welcome to become an Inkscape contributor. We have a pretty low bar for coders two accepted patches get you BZR commit rights. They don't have to be world changing patches either mine weren't. If that is not what you are interested in or have the time for that is fine. My knowledge of this area is limited so any other Developer feel free to speak up. > My recommendations would be the following: > > 1. Look into the simple optimization of using shader programs to > generate inkscapes polygon fills, especially when they involve any > kind of gradients. I have written all the cross platform glsl shaders > to handle any conceivable fill type including linear, radial, and cone > with reflect, repeat, and clamp end options. I can donate that code as > a starting point if anyone would like to take a look at it. Sure that is a good start. Small fits and start is how we finally got a OSX port and how the OSX Aqua port is currently going. People working out a little bit at a time until in all worked. > > 2. Get the cario guys interested in rolling hardware support into the > cairo api. I've talked with them about a hardware openvg backend > before. Maybe someone well respected from the inkscape can motivate > them to get moving in that direction. > We would need to finish the move to Cairo as our render, for this to be effective. That is planned but no one is active working on the renderer right now. > 3. Take a look into openvg. I believe Trolltech has done some work on > implementing that api in Qt. I used the Amanith openvg render and it > works okay in opengl mode. That's another thing to look into. Unlikely that we will start using the QT toolkit, but it is a great toolkit. > > 4. And finally, someone might want to check out the evil Microsoft > Direct2D api. I know it's locked into Windows, but it sure should take > care of everything you'd ever need, and be blazing fast too boot. > This is even less likely IMO than a move to QT, as it is not cross platform, currently maintaining the windows port is hard enough as we have only a handful of active windows developers. Joshua L. Blocher verbalshadow

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-user] Future plans for speeding up Inkscape?
by Joshua L. Blocher 06 Jan '10

06 Jan '10

> I think the most bang for the buck and most general would come > from using 3D HW accel and moving to the extra memory provided > by 64-bit. I know that running out of memory is where Adobe > Illus. quickly fails on larger vector drawings, especially in > the undo/redo system. Honestly, It is hard to find people who are Interested and have the skills and time to implement it. We are just waiting for the stars to align and the right contributor(s) to show up. > > It's amazing what Inkscape can do and how easy it is to do thing > when it comes to vector stuff, but my version (.47) doesn't seem > real stable after I've been running it for a while. All of my > long edit sessions in _playing_ with advanced features have > ended by it crashing. > > I wasn't trying to do anything in particular so I don't > remember the workflow I did each time, but it was usually after > it had been up a while. Only once did I actually get to a point > of saving an output w/o it crashing. I'm a complete novice when > it comes to computer art/SVG art, so I'd sure I was doing something > that was 'unreasonable'... :-) 'unreasonable' behavior is the kind that finds bugs the fastest, and provides us with new use cases. Please report your bugs . http://www.inkscape.org/report_bugs.php?lang=en > > I didn't try to report the bug at the time as I'm sure the > developers have their plate full with other problems and since I'm > not real familiar with correct operation, I didn't want to be told > that I wasn't using the product 'the right way' and by being a > beginner, the crashes were due to me trying to do things that I > should have done differently (though I tend to believe programs > shouldn't crash in such situations, but there could be workarounds > that would be known if I was more adept with the program). I recommend enabling the auto-save feature in Preference it has saved me a few times. > > I can try to report bugs if I'm not made to feel worthless for > reporting them if I don't also include fixes for them...like I > have got on some projects...(oh the joys of open source projects We want and need all the feedback you can give us for Inkscape. If you have issue with any inkscape contributor making you feel worthless for trying to be helpful please let us know, here or on the Devel ML. Appropriate action will be taken. Joshua L. Blocher verbalshadow

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-user] Future plans for speeding up Inkscape?
by Josh Andler 05 Jan '10

05 Jan '10

I feel that Joshua (not me) summed that up nicely. It boils down to that we are an open and welcoming community. Feedback is welcomed and appreciated, and the more info you can provide, the better for experience for everyone. We don't tend to take issue unless you want to complain and suggest how we can do it better. We don't know better than you, and we won't (generally claim to) know what's right. Tell us. Everyone benefits from non-argumentative feedback. Cheers, Josh On Jan 4, 2010 11:30 PM, "Joshua L. Blocher" <verbalshadow@...400...> wrote: > I think the most bang for the buck and most general would come > from using 3D HW accel and movin... Honestly, It is hard to find people who are Interested and have the skills and time to implement it. We are just waiting for the stars to align and the right contributor(s) to show up. > > It's amazing what Inkscape can do and how easy it is to do thing > when it comes to vector stu... 'unreasonable' behavior is the kind that finds bugs the fastest, and provides us with new use cases. Please report your bugs . http://www.inkscape.org/report_bugs.php?lang=en > > I didn't try to report the bug at the time as I'm sure the > developers have their plate full ... I recommend enabling the auto-save feature in Preference it has saved me a few times. > > I can try to report bugs if I'm not made to feel worthless for > reporting them if I don't als... We want and need all the feedback you can give us for Inkscape. If you have issue with any inkscape contributor making you feel worthless for trying to be helpful please let us know, here or on the Devel ML. Appropriate action will be taken. Joshua L. Blocher verbalshadow ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This SF.Net email i... Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] spray tool: UI
by Josh Andler 05 Jan '10

05 Jan '10

I agree in principal, but I can't say that a function being "fundamental" matters as much as adding versatility to a tool, which in the end does what we want to do... empower the user. I think we should hang on to it until our nightly build situation gets sorted. The best way to figure out if it's truly valuable is to get feedback from users. Cheers, Josh On Jan 4, 2010 4:12 PM, "bulia byak" <buliabyak@...400...> wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Joshua A. Andler <scislac@...400...> wrote: > Why not keep Focus? I'... A modifier must be sufficiently fundamental and versatile to be worth having. This one looks to me more arbitrary than fundamental. -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

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spray tool: UI
by bulia byak 05 Jan '10

05 Jan '10

I haven't fully tested the functionality yet, but here are some comments on the UI. Sorry for the terseness - I do find the tool valuable, but the UI really needs some work. * The tool icon is horrible and very out of the line with the default tool icons. The Tweak icon is not stellar either. Can some talented artist suggest a replacement? * "Population" is unclear. Its tooltip does not really help. "This setting adjusts" is superfluous, just delete it, but then what remains is still confusing: "the number of items sprayed" - total number? Per click? Per mile? Per what? What does the percentage represent? Please rethink this. * "The mean of the spray action" is impossible to understand. Mean what? * "SD" is very techy, and while the tooltip expands it as "standard deviation", it is still confusing. Standard deviation of what value? Can you explain it in terms understandable to someone who has no math training and has no idea of what SD is. * The button "Some options for the spray" is a bad idea, as is the dialog it opens. We don't have separate dialogs for tool options. Each tool may have some often-used controls on the controls bar, plus some rarely-used settings on its page in Inkscape Preferences. Please try to redistribute the dialog controls between these two locations. E.g. I don't think many people will ever change the distribution from Gaussian to uniform - this choice can be moved to Preferences. The controls bar can accommodate more than you have there now - if something does not fit it will be placed in an automatic menu, so just move the least used controls to the right (but preserving some logical grouping, of course). You may also try to combine some of the options into higher-level, coarser but more user-friendly preset-like options, such as a single "Scale randomization" slider instead of min/max values. (And for cursor, the Width value seems a duplicate of the controls bar's Width slider.) Code-wise, the file spray-option.cpp contains some leftover bits from Alignment dialog (e.g. "remove overlaps" undo comment - and why do you need to make undo commit at all in this dialog?!) and some French comments that need to be translated. -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

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Compiling of Inkscape from trunk fails on "extension/internal/pdfinput"
by Steven P. Ulrick 03 Jan '10

03 Jan '10

Hello Everyone I have been having problems compiling Inkscape from SVN Trunk. It fails while compiling in "extension/internal/pdfinput" Here is the entire output of "make": http://www.afolkey2.net/~steve/inkscape-build-make-001.txt This is on Fedora 12, and with a fresh copy of Inkscape from SVN Trunk If you need any more information, feel free to let me know. Steven P. Ulrick

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How to sync 2Geom?
by Krzysztof Kosiński 02 Jan '10

02 Jan '10

I have a question: how do I "sync" 2Geom from its SVN? I want to add this action as a custom command in my Waf build system for Inkscape. Regards, Krzysztof

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