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Win32 Gtk locale
by Bob Jamison 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

Hi, all. On the channel, <gal_bolle> pointed out that although Inkscape's translations strings are working correctly, Gtk's are not. Looking around, I noticed that in the win32 package, we are copying devlibs/lib/locale and not devlibs/share/locale to the package. I believe the first is for translating the tools, and the second is for translating the runtime. I made the adjustment to build.xml and uploaded a build here: http://inkscape.modevia.com/win32/Inkscape0806111651.7z Please try this out and see if the Gtk stock button names are translated. Since the file dialogs are now native, they are not a good place to look. Maybe try the "Close without saving" dialog. bob

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XML cleanups
by MenTaLguY 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

A few months back, I'd been threatening to make some significant changes to the XML code during this release cycle, and one of them just bit us. I was hoping it would go smoother than it apparently has. The issue is this: a lot of cleanup and implementation-hiding in the XML code is blocked by the fact that many parts of the code currently create XML nodes which are not initially attached to any document. This is compounded by the fact that a great deal of code doesn't know what the relevant document is, since it was long assumed that it could be set up with a document later. So, a lot of code has to be rewritten to plumb the relevent XML document in. I added an assertion to trap any code that neglects to create nodes with a document, and am proceeding from there to rework the affected code. That was the reason for the recent "Save As" crash. I wish there were a "nicer" way to do this, but after six years I've come to the conclusion that the drastic approach is the only way to get this done. -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Proposal: stick to node or stick to segment
by Valerie 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

By the way, while thinking about stickies, I think I've finally thought of a possible animation interface for Inkscape! :D (though really, I'm in no hurry to see it implemented, not before the Inkscape interface is more dynamic) A long, Long time ago, I tried Flash in Summer Camp, and I'll just say that I didn't like it (though I don't know how it works now). The approach I'm suggesting is that you add actions to a given object. You basically call up a (big) panel and add actions much as you would a live path effect. When you use the "edit animation" mode, you can turn on the animation "skeleton", which basically makes icons appear next to the object to show if the types of transformations applied to it that frame. From there, the most common parameters can be edited in the toolbar by clicking the action icon of choice: "From" field, "To" field, anchor points, speeds etc. Types of actions: Move, Rotate, Resize, Opacity, Color, Blur, Stick, Free Transform. People can create their own plug-in effects. The effects can collapsed so that you can easily see the list of effects on that object. The panel looks a bit like this (> is collapsed, V is open): Action: [+] Add action ----------------------------------- > "Jump:" Move | Start: [ ] | End: [] V "Swing:" Rotate Name: Swing Start: [] Offset: [] End: [] Offset: [] Add trigger: [+] Anchor point: [] Speed: [] Repeat type: [] [] Offset (clicking opens up X and Y values) [] Jitter (clicking opens up X and Y values) ----------------------------------- Major elements: 1. Start and end: Start has 2 possible types: - Date - Trigger - "End" also has duration (which basically is a "+ [value]" figure) 2. Triggers. The use of triggers is what makes time management easy in this case. You can define Absolute triggers with specific times, or you can create a new one within the object and based upon an action. Basically, in "Hang", clicking on Add Trigger will pop up a panel asking you to: - name the trigger (example: Man.StopSwing) - the condition: either as a proportion of action completed (0%, 50%, 80%, 100%), or a specific parameter (ex.: angle reached 90 degrees) >From then on, this trigger can be called upon in another object and action. This way, you can specify that as soon as one object is done with an action, the other starts another action. "Offset" can be used too (ex: an object starts moving 20 seconds before another reached the end of a movement path). I prefer this trigger-centric approach because it makes time management that much easier across multiple objects. Back when I tried that older version of flash, I had to go looking which frames were doing what. :\ Here you can just change the duration of one action, and the rest automatically falls through. Note: triggers can also be events such as MouseOver, Click, etc. 3. Anchor point. You define anchor points on an object (eventually naming them something other than "Node9011"), and this will be the point of attach of the action. Different actions can have different anchor points. "Move" also asks you to specify a path. "Stick" asks you to define a destination point on a destination object: you're sticking one point to another. 4. Parameters: for rotation, you define the rotation speed and/or amplitude, for resize you define the starting and ending sizes. If possible, jitter and offset value options can be added. Of some interest, the main parameter (rotation, resize etc) could be a custom curve. A straight curve from one value to another is a linear resize for example. But you can also make waves of decreasing amplitude, which in the case of resize/Height only, for example, makes the object look bouncy after say... falling to the ground. 5. Free transform works a bit differently than the rest. My proposed interface is this: this action is applied onto an object with -multiple- layers that count as separate frames (eventually with sub-layers, but it's the first-level layers that are counted as Frames). So you don't do the transformations within the animation file, but separately, but this should be fine as it makes your CPU life easier. The user basically creates an image, makes several copies on separate layers, makes changes to each, then imports it into the animation file. When applying free transform (or whatever it can be called), the user determines how the image morphs from one frame to another (usually the underlying skeleton moves from one position to another, the user can specify time for each frame as well as relations to trigger events) An "update" option is quite possible, so you make adjustments to the external files and see them updated directly. En error console pops up if the result is too different. :P 6. Stickies. Stickies are a very important part of this process, because it means a whole lot less of actions! Example: A man is carrying a box, puts it on a truck, and the truck drives away. Breakdown: - Add Stick action to box, so you don't have to redefine the walking. - Add Move action to man walking. - The Stick action stops when the man arrives at the end of his movement path. - Add Move action from box to truck. - Add stick action from box to truck. - Add move action to truck. The box just follows it because of the stick. This greatly simplifies things because it avoids having to duplicate paths and values (which can be a whole lot after a while) Other example: - a Linux penguin walks to a seesaw. Linux penguin jumps onto the seesaw (move action). - the seesaw rotates. Linux penguin also goes down because as we also define a "stick" action to that end of the seesaw. - when that side of the seesaw reaches ground (angle trigger), the object on the other side (a Microsoft logo), that used to be "stuck" on the object until then, gets unstuck and does an arc trajectory into a nearby trash bin. :) In the meantime you have the grass defined to swing back and forth with no conditions at all, though the penguin stepping on it may "trigger" it to flatten. 7. There should be an automatic summary timeline for each object to show trigger events and actions applied. The timeline keeps it simple, triggers only show their name upon mouse-over (though they may be different colours depending on whether they result from an action underway in this object, in another object, or from clicking something), and tiny action logos appear in the timeline (mouse-over shows the name, type, and highlighted line and triggers to show how long it lasts) Once the user is happy, he orders Inkscape to calculate the entire output, makes any adjustments necessary before re-calculating, and exports. That's it! :D I plan to make visual mock-ups, but would there be any problems with this approach? Some people are probably familiar with the Flash way of doing things (whatever it is they are doing now), but I do prefer simply saying "Let's add a simultaneous move and rotation on this or that object. It lasts This long and stops when another object reaches a certain state." Yay? Nay? Anyway, users can write up all sorts of fancy effects on their own, like the object getting cut up in all sorts of ways or leaving a temporary ghost trail while resizing. People could download those as extra effects plug-ins.

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"Inkforge": Inkscape Becomes an SVG Font Editor?
by Dave Crossland 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

Hi, (I've blogged this at http://understandinglimited.com/2008/06/09/proposing-inkforge/) I hope I can inspire people to patch Inkscape to make it suitable for drawing type :-) SVG Fonts isn't supported much anywhere, but Chris Lilley's talk at LGM2008 has got me thinking :-) Could Inkscape become an SVG Font Editor? Designing type involves working at four scales: A. designing individual letters ("drawing letters") B. designing letters that look like they belong together ("drawing type") C. designing letters that fit together to form words ("designing metrics") D. designing letters that fit together to form paragraphs ("looking at typeset text") I think Inkscape could be good at all four of these. Inkscape already has a template "fontforge_glyph" that sets up a canvas suitable for drawing a single letter - (A) One way of making (B) possible could be through layers. SVG has "svg fonts" already, and this could work by having each glyph appear to be a layer. It would be possible to write a simple program to output an XML tree with the glyphs you want to design, and have a bunch of SVG Font templates for various common scripts. For this to really be useful though, Inkscape needs to have a new kind of layer-specific guideline. Inkscape doesn't appear to have this right now, but since it has global ones, this ought to be simple to add. (If it isn't again the SVG spec, it can be in the Inkscape-specific namespace.) Then, if the layers palette and "duplicate window" features could be extended to make it easy to compare layers (and thus glyphs) - stacking them, seeing them side by side, and so on. The FontForge tutorial at http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/editexample5.html explains a little about designing metrics - (C). Having the left and right bearings appear as the page size (width) would be simple - and then Inkscape would be extended to allow changing the page size's width directly on the canvas, instead of via the document properties dialog, so just like moving a guideline. But perhaps having layers with different page sizes is against the SVG spec… Although that would be the most straightforward way of setting the sidebearings from a UI perspective, if that isn't possible, having the metrics appear as layer-specific guides with "left bearing" and "right bearing" IDs or Class could do the same job easily enough. But what is really needed is to create a special "metrics" dialog. This could re-use the "duplicate window" feature to grab the glyph's outline and render it on another canvas, a special one where the left and right bearings can be adjusted in the context of several letters next to each other in a word. (Again, see the FontForge tutorial if you're not familiar with font editor programs.) For typesetting text with the font, it would be straightforward to write some (python) glue scripts that open the SVG Font within FontForge, compile it into a system font format (Type 1, OpenType CFF) and then generate a PDF 'specimen' sheet to be printed. But eventually Inkscape will have to be able to render SVG Fonts directly on the canvas, and then it will be simple to have a "paragraph view" layer with some text that uses the glyphs from the self SVG. -- Regards, Dave I support www.gnuherds.org - democratic free software jobs

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FireFox (FF2 and FF3)
by Jan Homan 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

Regarding SVG support in FireFox, after some testing we came to the following conclusions. (1) tspan is used to position each character (more) precisely on a page (for example if a text string uses kerning) As far as we can tell is that FireFox (FF2 and FF3) does not support this feature. It just ignores the tspan commands. (2) FF2 does not support multiple spaces in string. It looks like FF2 ignores the additional spaces between the words. Any remarks/suggestions are very much appreciated. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: inkscape-devel-bounces(a)lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:inkscape-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net]Namens Jan Homan Verzonden: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:29 PM Aan: Chris Lilley; Felipe Sanches CC: inkscape-devel Onderwerp: Re:- Re: "Inkforge": Inkscape Becomes an SVG FontEditor? We just added a feature to our PDF FLY graphics conversion suite which extract the font glyphs from unknown embedded fonts in a PDF file and include them in the resulting SVG file. Let me know if I can help you answering your questions about SVG Fonts ? Best regards, Jan Homan http://www.pdf-fly.com http://www.visual-integrity.com -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: inkscape-devel-bounces(a)lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:inkscape-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net]Namens Chris Lilley Verzonden: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:20 PM Aan: Felipe Sanches CC: inkscape-devel Onderwerp: [SPAM] - Re: [Inkscape-devel] "Inkforge": Inkscape Becomes an SVG FontEditor? - Email found in subject On Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 1:16:30 AM, Felipe wrote: FS> I also think this should be possible. Currently I am working on SVG FS> Fonts rendering as my Google Summer of Code project. Maybe I can work FS> a bit on it after SoC. Not sure yet. FS> Did anybody record the LGM talks? FS> What did Chris Lilley say about SVG Fonts? There was no video recording since it was in the other room. My slides are online, starting at http://www.w3.org/Talks/2008/LGM3/cover.svg (the left and right blue bars link to previous and next slides) I added two slides with static screenshots of the demos. They work fine in Opera, an look fine in Inkscape too. (Firefox does not do SVG fonts and also seems to miss off some text). -- Chris Lilley mailto:chris@...157... Interaction Domain Leader W3C Graphics Activity Lead Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [SPAM] - Re: "Inkforge": Inkscape Becomes an SVG FontEditor? - Email found in subject
by Jan Homan 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

We just added a feature to our PDF FLY graphics conversion suite which extract the font glyphs from unknown embedded fonts in a PDF file and include them in the resulting SVG file. Let me know if I can help you answering your questions about SVG Fonts ? Best regards, Jan Homan http://www.pdf-fly.com http://www.visual-integrity.com -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: inkscape-devel-bounces(a)lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:inkscape-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net]Namens Chris Lilley Verzonden: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:20 PM Aan: Felipe Sanches CC: inkscape-devel Onderwerp: [SPAM] - Re: [Inkscape-devel] "Inkforge": Inkscape Becomes an SVG FontEditor? - Email found in subject On Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 1:16:30 AM, Felipe wrote: FS> I also think this should be possible. Currently I am working on SVG FS> Fonts rendering as my Google Summer of Code project. Maybe I can work FS> a bit on it after SoC. Not sure yet. FS> Did anybody record the LGM talks? FS> What did Chris Lilley say about SVG Fonts? There was no video recording since it was in the other room. My slides are online, starting at http://www.w3.org/Talks/2008/LGM3/cover.svg (the left and right blue bars link to previous and next slides) I added two slides with static screenshots of the demos. They work fine in Opera, an look fine in Inkscape too. (Firefox does not do SVG fonts and also seems to miss off some text). -- Chris Lilley mailto:chris@...157... Interaction Domain Leader W3C Graphics Activity Lead Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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How to create a FullDBG version in Win32 ?
by Yann Papouin 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

Hi everyone, I'm trying to create a fulldbg version (where the size of the inkscape symbol is > 200Mo) of inkscape but I don't know where to set the correct param Actually I'm using this wiki page : http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Win32Port to build inkscape. My objective is to create a bug report of an inkscape crash when previewing *.ico file -- Yann PAPOUIN,

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Error on file ru.po
by Karlisson 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

Hi, I got an warning on compiling rev18681: --------- Generating and caching the translation database Merging translations into inkscape.desktop. ru.po: unclosed <b>: #: ../src/dialogs/swatches.cpp:249 msgid "Color: <b>" msgstr "Цвет: <b>" WARNING: Bad markup found in translations. Please consider fixing the above problems. --------- It's just a unclosed tag <b> It is not the first time it happens with *.po files. Is there some way to avoid this? -- Karlisson de Macêdo Bezerra http://nerdson.com/ -

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Can't get the SWF output working anymore
by Juho Viitasalo 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

Can anybody explain why I can't get the SWF output extension working or even it to show in saving dialog. You can find a link to this extension from: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/ExtensionsRepository I extracted the .inx file to extensions folder, but I can't see SWF file saving option when saving a file. I compared the syntax of the swf_output.inx file to pdf_output.inx.txt file that I found from the same folder. I noticed that <name>, <filetypename> and <filetypetooltip> tags had an underscore in the pdf_output file. I tried to add underscores to swf_output with no success. I also removed txt extension from pdf_output.inx file. After that corresponding saving option appeared to Inkscape. I also started to change pdf_output file to correspond to swf_output file. I could change name and id tags to <_name>SWF Output</_name> <id>org.inkscape.output.swf</id> in pdf_output.inx and it still shows up in save dialog. If I change anything else "Adobe PDF via postscript (*.pdf)" saving option won't show up. Any ideas? -Juho- swf_output.inx ------------------------------------------------- <inkscape-extension> <name>SWF Output</name> <id>org.inkscape.output.swf</id> <dependency type="extension">org.inkscape.output.pdf</dependency> <dependency type="executable" location="extensions">pdf2swf.sh</dependency> <dependency type="executable">pdf2swf</dependency> <output> <extension>.swf</extension> <mimetype>application/x-shockwave-flash</mimetype> <filetypename>Flash SWF (*.swf)</filetypename> <filetypetooltip>Flash movie shape</filetypetooltip> </output> <script> <command reldir="extensions">pdf2swf.sh</command> <helper_extension>org.inkscape.output.pdf</helper_extension> </script> </inkscape-extension> pdf_output.inx.txt ------------------------------------------------- <inkscape-extension> <_name>PDF Output</_name> <id>org.inkscape.output.pdf.via_gs</id> <dependency type="extension">org.inkscape.output.ps</dependency> <dependency type="executable" location="extensions">ps2pdf.sh</dependency> <dependency type="executable">ps2pdf</dependency> <output> <extension>.pdf</extension> <mimetype>image/x-portable-document-format</mimetype> <_filetypename>Adobe PDF via postscript (*.pdf)</_filetypename> <_filetypetooltip>Adobe Portable Document Format</_filetypetooltip> </output> <script> <command reldir="extensions">ps2pdf.sh</command> <helper_extension>org.inkscape.output.ps</helper_extension> </script> </inkscape-extension>

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] units
by Valerie 11 Jun '08

11 Jun '08

> https://answers.launchpad.net/inkscape/+question/35808 makes me wonder > if we could use chosen unit throughout UI, in all dialogs and > extensions (where a unit is in most cases "nailed" and cannot be > changed). > > I believe, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/inkscape/+spec/real-units > deals with this issue in some way. Any ideas? Actually, I would like if one could choose the unit and step of All options out there. For example, when doing Live Path effects, clicking on the "width" field gives me increments of 0.01. Now really, the minimum increment -I-'d want is 0.1. Clicking 10 times just to get 0.1 is not very feasible, so it'd be nice if for all tools, in the options area, you can set a unit yourself. That and, Shift-click to change in increments of 10 times the base unites. Alt-click can go in increments of 0.1 times the base unit too. Does such a proposal exist already?

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