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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which a verb was invoked
by Joel Holdsworth 26 Jun '07

26 Jun '07

Are you saying that at some stage there was suport for native windows file dialogs which was then removed? If so why was this? and if I was to add the support in once again would I be reversing some community decision from a while ago? if that decision was made, on what grounds was it made? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Jamison" <rwjj@...127...> > To: "Joel Holdsworth" <joel@...1709...>; > <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:20 PM > Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which a > verb was invoked > > >> Joel Holdsworth wrote: >>> Hi again, >>> I'm currently working on a patch to add support for native file dialogs >>> for windows users. It's worked out pretty well, and I'm almost finished. >>> I have one slight problem though: parent windows. >>> In the GTK version, sp_file_open_dialog (in file.cpp) is called from >>> inside FileVerb::Perform in verbs.cpp. But how is it possible to get the >>> GdkWindow object of the windows in which the verb was invoked? If I have >>> this I can add it as an extra parameter to sp_file_open_dialog, to >>> enable both the GTK, and Win32 file dialogs to be correctly set as child >>> windows of the document's window. >>> Any suggestions? >>> Joel Holdsworth >> >> You might look at src/dialogs/filedialog-win32.cpp as an >> example. It was the original native dialog that we replaced with the >> current one. >> >> >> bob >> >

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which a verb was invoked
by joel＠...1709... 26 Jun '07

26 Jun '07

Hi Joshua, Yes I can see how you would loose out - I quite understand. Although I do think we need to think about the needs of more common Windows users. You use one application on several platforms, wheras most people use one platform and several applications, so we really need to optimise consistency on a per-platform basis, not on a per-app basis; simply to satisfy the expectations of the users. The aim here is to reduce the number of different-functioning dialogs that the user of any given platform has to learn and understand. ---------------------------------------- From: "Joshua Blocher" <verbalshadow@...400...> Sent: 26 June 2007 15:02 To: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which a verb was invoked I'm personnelly for keeping the current gtk dialog, i use both windows and linux and I simply expect inkscape to provide the same functionality and work in the same way (where possible) on both platforms. This provides maximum usability for multi-platform users and reduces the need to know the platform specifics when helping other users. I'm not against making things more "usable" for windows users, so i feel that IF need that a gtk dialog made to look like office 2003 open dialog ( what tobias suggested) is probably the best half way point. It offers bookmarking and previews. It still wouldn't function and work in exactly the same way but at least it would still be there. Joshua L. Blocher verbalshadow ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which a verb wasinvoked
by joel＠...1709... 26 Jun '07

26 Jun '07

I think it is worth the extra effort, and I'm willing to put it in, because right now the GTK dialog is just aweful. I'm going away on holiday for the next couple of weeks, but when I get back, I'll begin to look in to all this, if the rest of developers are willing to sanction it. ---------------------------------------- From: MenTaLguY <mental@...3...> Sent: 26 June 2007 11:29 To: bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which a verb wasinvoked On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:26:24 -0300, "bulia byak" wrote: > Easy access to the examples folder is also a very important selling > point, especially for newbies. As it is now, I'm sure many users don't > even suspect that we have such a folder. It is possible in principle to customize the Win32 places bar, though there's still the question of whether it's worth the effort: http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/03/03/CuttingEdge/ -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Automatic Engraving
by Tom Lechner 26 Jun '07

26 Jun '07

Hi, If there's to be a dedicated engraving tool, the following links are very interesting. They involve methods of automatic engraving in the field of non-photorealistic rendering. One method uses Bezier patches to determine line direction. If mesh gradients get established in Inkscape, then this would be another use for the meshes: engraving bucket fill! http://portal.acm.org/ft_gateway.cfm?id=237287&type=pdf&coll=GUIDE&dl=GUIDE… http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~ostrom/publications/pdf/SIGGRAPH99_FacialEngra… http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~ostrom/publications/abstracts.html Tom ----------- http://www.laidout.org http://www.tomlechner.com

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which a verbwas invoked
by joel＠...1709... 26 Jun '07

26 Jun '07

Hey... I'm glad a couple of people agree with me, so I'm not going crazy. I think trying to embed GTK in Windows native in GTK seems like a very hard, risky, and potentially ugly way of solving the problem. I'm much more in favour of implementing an shell thumbnail extension to achieve our goal, mainly because it would be a more Windowsy solution, and would result in less hassle. This would solve the SVG preview problem for XP and Vista users, in Inkscape, and allow them to thumbnail across the whole system, which could be a significant selling point! Looking at the thumbnail API it all depends really in how hard it is to render an arbitrary SVG file into an arbitrary HDC/HBITMAP. ---------------------------------------- From: MenTaLguY <mental@...3...> Sent: 26 June 2007 10:48 To: Gail Banaszkiewicz <gbanaszk@...1686...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which a verbwas invoked On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:01:49 -0400, Gail Banaszkiewicz wrote: > Dang I hate those stupid open windows in Inkscape - I would personally > be happy to have the option to use the Windows dialogs! With previews, > of course ;) While I'm not a frequent user of Inkscape on Windows, I've had to do so occasionally for work; I think I'd also prefer a native file dialog (though I'd miss the Gtk dialog's bookmarks a little bit). Previews are another issue, though -- before we could implement them in the native dialog, we'd need to determine how to embed a Gtk widget in a Win32 window. If we can get that part sorted out, then the usual dialog customization approach should work: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms646960.aspx#_win32_Explorer_Styl… (Win32 programming is one of the few things that makes me miss working with Gtk...) -mental ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which averbwas invoked
by joel＠...1709... 26 Jun '07

26 Jun '07

That's my suggestion ---------------------------------------- From: MenTaLguY <mental@...3...> Sent: 26 June 2007 11:37 To: Tobias Jakobs <tobias.jakobs@...128...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which averbwas invoked On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:34:55 +0200, Tobias Jakobs wrote: >> This is probably a naive question, but if the files are just SVG, it >> seems that the native Windows preview mechanism would be able to display >> them. But I could be wrong :) > > No, there is no SVG-Preview in Windows. I think what she and Joel are getting at is that on Vista (and XP?), it should be possible for us to provide it. -mental ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which a verbwas invoked
by joel＠...1709... 26 Jun '07

26 Jun '07

New fangled - yes. But IExtractImage has been in since XP for thumbnails. ---------------------------------------- From: MenTaLguY <mental@...3...> Sent: 26 June 2007 11:34 To: Gail Banaszkiewicz <gbanaszk@...1686...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which a verbwas invoked On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:11:15 -0400, Gail Banaszkiewicz wrote: > I was thinking pretty much what Joel was talking about in a subsequent > email. Ahh, yeah. IPreviewHandler. All these new-fangled Vista things... :) -mental ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which a verb wasinvoked
by joel＠...1709... 26 Jun '07

26 Jun '07

I would say that it definitely is worth the effort, because attention to detail *really* matters. You just need a willing volunteer - which is probably me! Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which a verb wasinvoked On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:26:24 -0300, "bulia byak" wrote: > Easy access to the examples folder is also a very important selling > point, especially for newbies. As it is now, I'm sure many users don't > even suspect that we have such a folder. It is possible in principle to customize the Win32 places bar, though there's still the question of whether it's worth the effort: http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/03/03/CuttingEdge/ -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which a verb was invoked
by joel＠...1709... 26 Jun '07

26 Jun '07

That's a good tip. I agreee with you also that we need to do better with the parenting. The problem extends well beyond the file dialogs. I had just assumed that because Gnome works differently, it wasn't such an obvious problem for Linux users. ---------------------------------------- From: Ted Gould <ted@...11...> Sent: 26 June 2007 11:17 To: bulia byak <buliabyak@...400...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which a verb was invoked On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 13:07 -0300, bulia byak wrote: > > In the GTK version, sp_file_open_dialog (in file.cpp) is called from inside > > FileVerb::Perform in verbs.cpp. But how is it possible to get the GdkWindow > > object of the windows in which the verb was invoked? > > You can do SP_ACTIVE_DESKTOP, then use getToplevel to get GTK window, > and then use ->window to get from GTK to GDK (untested!) I don't think this is good, I'd like to see SP_ACTIVE_DESKTOP all but removed from the codebase. When the verb is called it is passed the information on the window that called it. That's currently not passed into sp_file_open_dialog, but should be. (infact, very few verbs use it, but they should). The desktop can be gotten in any verb "perform" function with the following code: SPDesktop *dt = dynamic_cast(sp_action_get_view(action)); That is, if it is called on a SPDesktop and not another subclass of an action. But I would imagine that FileOpen always is. --Ted

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which a verbwas invoked
by joel＠...1709... 26 Jun '07

26 Jun '07

Hey... I'm glad a couple of people agree with me, so I'm not going crazy. I think trying to embed GTK in Windows native in GTK seems like a very hard, risky, and potentially ugly way of solving the problem. I'm much more in favour of implementing an shell thumbnail extension to achieve our goal, mainly because it would be a more Windowsy solution, and would result in less hassle. This would solve the SVG preview problem for XP and Vista users, in Inkscape, and allow them to thumbnail across the whole system, which could be a significant selling point! Looking at the thumbnail API it all depends really in how hard it is to render an arbitrary SVG file into an arbitrary HDC/HBITMAP. ---------------------------------------- From: MenTaLguY <mental@...3...> Sent: 26 June 2007 10:48 To: Gail Banaszkiewicz <gbanaszk@...1686...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Getting the GdkWindow in which a verbwas invoked On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:01:49 -0400, Gail Banaszkiewicz wrote: > Dang I hate those stupid open windows in Inkscape - I would personally > be happy to have the option to use the Windows dialogs! With previews, > of course ;) While I'm not a frequent user of Inkscape on Windows, I've had to do so occasionally for work; I think I'd also prefer a native file dialog (though I'd miss the Gtk dialog's bookmarks a little bit). Previews are another issue, though -- before we could implement them in the native dialog, we'd need to determine how to embed a Gtk widget in a Win32 window. If we can get that part sorted out, then the usual dialog customization approach should work: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms646960.aspx#_win32_Explorer_Styl… (Win32 programming is one of the few things that makes me miss working with Gtk...) -mental ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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