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Re: [Inkscape-devel] User Interface (was: save confirm dialog)
by bulia byak 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

>in gimp shortcuts are shown as Ctrl-F and Shift-Ctrl-F (for what now in >inkscape is Ctrl-f and Ctrl-F, respectively) - i think that's also a gnome >standard. in KDE the standard is for example Ctrl-Shift-F. >i must also admit that when i saw inkscape shortcuts in menus for the first >time i was confused, that's why imho ot would be better to switch to gnome >standard shortcut names. >oops.small update. i've just checked current inkscape tarball and shortcuts >names are like Ctrl-Shift-k. i don't understand why "k" is not a capital >letter - i think it should be. OK, since I was going to add an optional Emacs mode for keybindings, I will change this so that it shows e.g. "Ctrl+Alt+M" in the default mode and "C-M-m" in Emacs mode :) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] User Interface (was: save confirm dialog)
by bulia byak 24 Dec '03

24 Dec '03

>As I'd especially like to work on polishing the user interface, I think >I should probably ask you first about your position on the HIG, etc. My position is that we should be HIG compliant where it makes sense or where non-complicance does not bring considerable benefits (such as the save confirm dialog). Obviously HIG was not written with vector editors in mind, so it should never be the final word, only one of the arguments in a discussion. >noticed that many parts of the UI are still not HIG compliant or very >non-standard for no obvious reason. The best example probably is the >secondary toolbar, which shows buttons instead of typical toolbar icons. Mental has recently converted the main toolbar to standard GTK buttons (non-bevelled). I don't know about the secondary one, but I would like to see how it looks with standard buttons, if only to compare. >But there are also smaller examples where I'm unsure, for example I >wonder if there is a specific reasons to show all shortcuts as lowercase >instead of uppercase. Simple: to me and other Emacs users, Ctrl+F means actually Ctrl+Shift+f. So writing Ctrl+f with lowercase is less likely to confuse, IMHO. >interface standards? :) And should I ask before each change? For changes that are directly related to the core vector editing interface, usually it makes sense to ask (but if the change is not too disruptive, it's better to patch first and ask later, because this will give us the opportunity to test your change). One exception: if you want to _remove_ some non-dead code or functionality, ask first :) Simple interface changes in areas that are not vector-specific (such as improvements in dialogs, etc) can be made without discussion, but please don't forget to put them into the changelog (and please add yourself to the AUTHORS file too). _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] abs paths
by bulia byak 23 Dec '03

23 Dec '03

>I found these functions for converting between absolute and relative >pathnames: > >http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2002-April/msg00142.html Forgot to mention that I'm not sure that it works under win32, so I commented it there (i.e. win32 uses the old method with relative paths). Someone doing win32 port will need to uncomment and test this function, and probably extend it for things like drive letters etc. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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reminder to those with CVS access
by MenTaLguY 23 Dec '03

23 Dec '03

Please rebuild and *_TEST_* before committing. Even if it's just a matter of a few warnings showing up on the console, find out why and fix them before you commit, even if things _appear_ to work okay otherwise. If we don't get these things cleaned up at commit time, they will linger and accumulate to bite us later, when they will be much harder to fix. -mental

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Re: cvs?
by bulia byak 23 Dec '03

23 Dec '03

>From: Bob Jamison <rjamison@...73...> >>Have you put into CVS the files needed for win32 build? Or do you still >>need help with that? Actually, if you plan to do more work on Inkscape or >>its windows build, I think we could give you developer access. >> > > >That would be great. There are about 25 files that need to be added to >the tree (makefiles + the codepage .cpp files) and maybe 12 patches >to sources (trivial things like pointer casts) to make this Win32 >compilable. >So it would probably be easier for me to do it myself. This stuff should >not affect the Linux build at all. Done. We really need someone to look after the win port, so your help is much appreciated! _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin…

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Feature Requests from SODI finally moved over to INKSCAPE
by Jonathan Phillips 23 Dec '03

23 Dec '03

Feature Requests Captured - Please Review!!! December 22, 2003 - The various Feature Requests collected from different developers, the WIKI, chatting with other users, and old RFE's from the SodiPodi days have been moved to the Inkscape RFE tracker on Sourceforge. Please review these feature requests, make comments, prioritize them, and post your proposals to the WIKI page NewFeatureProposals. I added this to the website. I wanted to get this task done before our Xmas hiatus. I will be back after xmas sometime. Hopefully everyone can look over the RFE's posted and get inspired. The next phase I will attend to is to get people to look at the RFE's and then post New Feature Proposals to the WIKI. If anyone wants to see the spreadsheet, it is in the inkscape module under the folder 'doc', called 'sp2ink_rfe.gnumeric'. Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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Re: dnd [was: Re: export patches]
by bulia byak 23 Dec '03

23 Dec '03

>Hm. My code does almost the same as the svg import code does (well, i >copied >from there ;)), so if you import you should get the same symptops, right? No, import does not prepend svg: for some reason (just tested). _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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PathEstimation
by Info Sylvax 23 Dec '03

23 Dec '03

Hello, you can see the feature on http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PathEstimation ( When will the PathEstimation feature be available in Inkscape? For me, it is the most important feature (for the design of logotypes, arabesques... ) )

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] PathEstimation
by bulia byak 23 Dec '03

23 Dec '03

>you can see the feature on >http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PathEstimation > >( When will the PathEstimation feature be available in Inkscape? For me, >it is the most important feature (for the design of logotypes, >arabesques... ) ) Outlining a stroke and insetting/outsetting a path are already in CVS. You can download the CVS and use it, or wait for the next release. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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save confirm dialog
by bulia byak 23 Dec '03

23 Dec '03

I committed your new save confirm dialog. Some comments: >See Bug #863856 for details about the save confirmation >dialog. This is my attempt to make it 99% compliant to the HIG and >I believe I succeeded. In fact, this might be the _first_ dialog >ever to (almost) completely match the HIG suggestion. :) >Considering the amount of work this required, I can also very well >understand now, why this is the case... It's good to be HIG compliant, but the new dialog is HUGE. Still, since it's not going to stay on screen all the time, I'm OK with that. Being wordy also won't hurt for novices. >Additionally, I commented out the non-standard dialog placing code >(placing the dialog near the mouse pointer), as dialogs should >really be placed by the window manager (at least that's what GNOME >users will expect). I only commented the appropriate code out, so >if you disagree about this, it would be easy to change again. I still think popping a dialog at the mouse is better for usability, but again, this dialog is not so frequently needed so I think it's better to go the simple (and standards-compliant) route. Popping the fialog in the center of the document window seems to be conventional, so let it be that way. >There was also an issue when the user clicked "Save", but then >canceled the dialog. This situation wasn't detected and so the >document was closed, which is bad. To solve this, I made a few >functions return a gboolean and this also solved a TODO item on >the way. :) Excellent, thanks! >Other stuff that might still be done: >- I noticed that overwriting of files wasn't handled at all, but >didn't want to get too much distracted... It would be very nice if someone could finally take care of that. Recently Ted Gould introduced a module-based save system, and I saw some TODOs for this in his code, so you should perhaps discuss this with him first. >- Of course it would be very nice to show in the dialog, how much >time has passed since the document was last saved. This shouldn't >be very complicated, but I didn't want to get too deep into the >code (yet), because I'm very unexperienced. :) Not sure about the time (although why not?), but one thing we absolutely need is an indication of whether the sodipodi:modified is on or not. On windows, it's conventional to add * to the filename in the title bar, don't know what HIG says about this. >I hope you take a look at the patch and tell me if I did anything >wrong, because this is in fact the first patch I ever made. Not that _I_ am a a very experienced programmer, but I did not see any problems with your patch. Everything seems neat. Are you interested in doing more Inkscape work? If so we could give you developer access to the CVS. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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