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RE: [Inkscape-devel] PathEstimation
by bulia byak 22 Dec '03

22 Dec '03

>When will the PathEstimation feature be available in Inkscape? For me, it >is the most important feature (for the design of logotypes, arabesques... ) It might help if you explained what does it do exactly. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] spiral???
by bulia byak 22 Dec '03

22 Dec '03

>The argument was made on Jabber that this was a pretty useless tool. We >couldn't recall instances that it had been used or heard from users that >were using it for anything more than curiousity. It probably would have >been good to mention this on the mailing list before removing the >feature; I suppose the thinking was that probably nobody cared one way >or the other. It is very strange reasoning!!! I STRONGLY DISAGREE. Sorry guys but we represent a very small share of the program's users, and even smaller of its potential users, both quantitatively (in number) and qualitatively (in not being professional designers). We should not take any serious feature decisions without as wide discussion as possible, and especially when we REMOVE something. Jabber is fine for quickly discussing small things, but this is a serious change which requires a balanced, slow, thorough discission. Jabber is not suited for this kind of discussions. Lauris did not invent this tool too; he copied it from other vector editors. Why do you think you better understand the needs of artists than, for example, creators of Macromedia Freehand (among others) which has the spiral tool??? >Does anyone use the spiral shape for anything? Hell YES, if only to amuse my 5 y.o. daughter! She will be BITTERLY disappointer by your decision. And seriously, I once spent an hour in Xara drawing a spiral by hand for one of my designs (Xara does not have a spiral tool), and it turned out to be so difficult that I quit, launched Freehand, created a spiral there, exported into EPS and then imported into Xara. So for me, the Inkscape's spiral tool is one of its very real advantages over Xara. I even mentioned it as such just a couple days ago to my wife, when she asked what was that new drawing tool I'm spending my time with recently! Even all that aside, how do you feel killing a feature which has almost 1000 lines of code, is well thought out, complete and convenient? There's simply no limitations to the kinds of spirals it can create - don't you appreciate that? Yes it has a bug, but show me a tool which has none! Were you seriously planning to add to the release notes, for example, "Answering many requests from impatient users, we finally managed to remove one the biggest Sodipodi's annoyances, the spiral tool?" Come on! It's just beyond me what kind of reasoning might lead to a decision like that. >Perhaps since we're not too crowded for space yet, and since the bug now >has a solution, that it would be prudent to let the spiral tool remain >until Nathan has a replacement for it? Yes, and only if that replacement is a strict superset. Sorry for sounding harsh, but this desicion really appalled me. I hope I convinced you to revert this decision, and moreover I hope you don't take decisions that suddenly kill almost a thousand lines of good code without a serious reason and a good discussion. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: export patches
by bulia byak 22 Dec '03

22 Dec '03

Hi, I tested your dnd patch but I don't seem to be able to make it work. If I type in some SVG in your test program and drag it into inkscape, no object appears on the canvas, but there is a new empty <g> in the XML editor. If I type <text>abc</text>, after dragging it becomed <g id="123">abc</g>. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin…

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News items
by Bryce Harrington 22 Dec '03

22 Dec '03

Homepage is updated with recent news. Lemme know if I missed anything (or go ahead and add it directly). Bryce

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patch to add point class to libnr
by Nathan Hurst 22 Dec '03

22 Dec '03

libnr builds, nothing else does (due to excessing C armoring) njh Index: src/libnr/nr-values.cpp =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/libnr/nr-values.cpp,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -d -u -r1.1 nr-values.cpp --- src/libnr/nr-values.cpp 15 Dec 2003 04:29:30 -0000 1.1 +++ src/libnr/nr-values.cpp 22 Dec 2003 02:44:18 -0000 @@ -10,5 +10,10 @@ */ #include "nr-values.h" +#include <math.h> int vla; + +double NR::Point::L2() { + return hypot(pt[0], pt[1]); +} Index: src/libnr/nr-types.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/src/libnr/nr-types.h,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -d -u -r1.4 nr-types.h --- src/libnr/nr-types.h 18 Dec 2003 04:25:30 -0000 1.4 +++ src/libnr/nr-types.h 22 Dec 2003 02:44:18 -0000 @@ -20,6 +20,109 @@ double x, y; } NRPoint; +namespace NR { + +enum dimT { X, Y }; + +class Point{ + public: + double pt[2]; + + Point() { + } + + Point(double x, double y) { + pt[X] = x; + pt[Y] = y; + } + + /** Return a point like this point but rotated -90 degrees. + (If the y axis grows downwards and the x axis grows to the + right, then this is 90 degrees counter-clockwise.) + **/ + Point ccw() const { + return Point(pt[Y], -pt[X]); + } + + /** Return a point like this point but rotated +90 degrees. + (If the y axis grows downwards and the x axis grows to the + right, then this is 90 degrees clockwise.) + **/ + Point cw() { + return Point(-pt[Y], pt[X]); + } + + double L2(); +/** Compute the L2 or euclidean norm of this vector */ + void Normalize(); + + operator NRPoint() { + NRPoint nrp; + nrp.x = pt[0]; + nrp.y = pt[1]; + return nrp; + } +}; + +inline Point +operator+(Point const &a, Point const &b) { + Point r; + for(int i = 0; i < 2; i++) { + r.pt[i] = a.pt[i] + b.pt[i]; + } + return r; +} + +inline Point +operator-(Point const &a, Point const &b) { + Point r; + for(int i = 0; i < 2; i++) { + r.pt[i] = a.pt[i] - b.pt[i]; + } + return r; +} + +inline Point +operator*(Point const &a, Point const &b) { + Point r; + for(int i = 0; i < 2; i++) + r.pt[i] = a.pt[i]*b.pt[i]; + return r; +} + +inline Point +operator*(double s, Point const &b) { + Point ret; + for(int i = 0; i < 2; i++) { + ret.pt[i] = s * b.pt[i]; + } + return ret; +} + +inline double +dot(Point const &a, Point const &b) { + double ret = 0; + for(int i = 0; i < 2; i++) { + ret += a.pt[i] * b.pt[i]; + } + return ret; +} + +inline double +cross(Point const &a, Point const &b) { + double ret = 0; + for(int i = 0; i < 2; i++) + ret = a.pt[i] * b.pt[1-i] - ret; + return ret; +} + +inline void Point::Normalize() { + double d = L2(); + if(d > 0.0001) // Why this number? + *this = (1/d)**this; +} +} + typedef struct _NRPointL { NRLong x, y; } NRPointL;

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[Fwd: [Scribus] Inkscape, vector graphics]
by Peter Linnell 22 Dec '03

22 Dec '03

-----Forwarded Message----- From: Magic Page <magicpage91@...127...> To: Scirbus List <scribus@...119...> Subject: [Scribus] Inkscape, vector graphics Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:00:16 -0500 Hi all, Not sure if many here are aware of the new program available for creating and handling SVG graphics. Inkscape is branching off from Sodipodi with a clear road map and I believe, a brighter future for a vectors grapic program for Linux. It already is impressive with the user interface and, I think, much easier and nicer to use because of that fact alone. Peter, of Scribus fame, turned me onto it just recently. I decided after compiling it, that I should make a real rpm available to other SuSE 9.0 users. I have created a RPM for SuSE 9.0 and passed it along to the Inkspace developers to include on their download site. The src.rpm is there also, so other linux distro users might be able to alter the spec file enough to use on their systems. SuSE is now putting all their Gnome programs in /opt/gnome, in an effort to more closely adhere to the LSB. I don't think Gnome is located in the same location for other distros. Anyway, give it a look and see if you don't like the changes as much as I did. It still gives you all the Sodipodi features, plus a few more and expect many more after the new year! Inkscape site url: http://inkspace.org Patrick

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Proposal for New Subsystem Architecture(andNamespaces)
by bulia byak 22 Dec '03

22 Dec '03

>Actually, justification is something I know a lot about... I even sent >bryce a demo of my implementation of optimal line breaking but I don't >think he understood it :) Just out of curiosity, is your algorithm better than that of TeX? If so, how? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Proposal for New Subsystem Architecture (andNamespaces)
by bulia byak 22 Dec '03

22 Dec '03

>On Sat, 2003-12-20 at 23:07, Bryce Harrington wrote: > > Pango - Conversion to Pango from libnrtype may be worth doing earlier > > than Cairo since the existing text system lacks many needed features, > > however this will need to be researched in more depth to determine the > > feasibility and cost/benefit. Unless a clear benefit is identified to > > performing the change early, we should conduct the change along with the > > Cairoification. > >It might be relatively easy to begin Pango-ization by writing a Pango >backend for libnrtype (which in turn would use either the Pango ft2 or >win32 backends, depending on platform). Two practical questions: - will Pango support kerning pairs? (currently they are ignored) - will it make it easier to implement (or even "for free") letterspacing? If even one of these is true, I'd say go ahead! We need this urgent! > >-mental ><< signature.asc >> _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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rpm dependency
by Jon A. Cruz 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

This came up in the Jabber channel this morning: (09:52:02) edmack: Hi, I was trying to install the most recent rpm, and it told me I needed libXrand.so, and after searching on rpmfind.net, I couldn't find it.. what's the name of the package that provides it? (09:58:00) JonCruz: XFree86-devel Should we see if we can break free of that dependency?

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[Fwd: Re: [Sodipodi-list] Large format output?]
by MenTaLguY 21 Dec '03

21 Dec '03

-----Forwarded Message----- From: Lynn Kerby <lfk@...126...> To: sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Sodipodi-list] Large format output? Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:58:15 -0800 On 2003.12.18 10:34 Lynn Kerby wrote: >This is somewhat of an emergency. I've got some svg drawings in an 11x17 page format >(landscape architectural plans) that I need to print. Sodipodi doesn't output very >conforming postscript these days and I'm having difficulty getting it to generate anything >outside a standard Letter (or A4, though I think I've managed to get it to print Letter >sized pages now). Solved it myself with just a few more tweaks after sending out the mail.... OK, I finally managed to get the BBoxes right and the rotation and the transformation along with the appropriate magic to get the ghostscript driver to accept the %% directives. I'm not sure if this is conforming PS-2.0 or not, but it works for me for the time being. Maybe after I'm done with this stuff I'll dust off my postscript books and do a little work on sodipodi output. --- testprint_sodi.ps Thu Dec 18 10:18:56 2003 +++ testprint_podi.ps Thu Dec 18 10:47:49 2003 @@ -1,5 +1,15 @@ -%! -0 792 translate +%!PS-Adobe-2.0 +%%BoundingBox: 0 0 792 1224 +%%Creator: Sodipodi CVS20031203 +%%Title: HDP_Plan_00_20031218 +%%Pages: 1 +%%EndComments +%%Page: 0 0 +%%BeginSetup +<</PageSize [792 1224] /ImagingBBox null>> setpagedevice +%%EndSetup +90 rotate +0 0 translate 0.8 -0.8 scale gsave [1 0 0 1 0 0] concat 0 0 0 setrgbcolor @@ -3007,3 +3017,4 @@ grestore grestore showpage +%%PageTrailer

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