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tutorial font
by bulia byak 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

Re: bug 890040 Actually the only guaranteed way to resolve the font mismatch problem is to support SVG fonts and embed fonts with documents. We will have to do this ultimately, if we want to be taken seriously as a design app. Other than that, we can be only "reasonably" sure. E.g. a user can take a Dingbats font and rename it to Times on his system. What we can do now: - Nathan, since you have access to different machines, could you please do a few tests to figure out what is the most common text font that would look OK for the tutorial? Just do a global search-and-replace of "Times New Roman" to any other font in tutorial.svg and see if it loads OK. I used Times New Roman simply because I have it, but I have little idea of what fonts arrive with modern distributions. Of course if anyone else can do this on his/her system(s) that would be great. Especially valuable are "bare bones" systems with no additional fonts installed. - Having default font configurable is probably not difficult to do, but it must be done in the libnrtype font matcher (so it does not take the first available font but looks up e.g. options.defaultfont) which I haven't looked at yet. Nathan, since you did some work in libnrtype recently, maybe you can hack it up? Or anyone? _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: bug 889618
by bulia byak 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

> > I did try hitting escape cos that works in lotus notes... > >I think that does suggest it might be worthwhile to bind escape to >closing them in any case? This was discussed in November. I even committed that but then we decided that Esc should move focus from dialog to canvas without closing, so I changed to that behavior. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Status report on front page broken
by "Áki G. Karlsson" 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

Hi all Small matter: Just wanted to let you know that the link to the status report on the front page of the Inkscape website is broken... http://www.inkscape.org/status/status_20040131.php Best regards Áki

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Grid snap feature
by Frederic Rodrigo 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

Hi, Do you reactive the snap to grid feature in the next release? I think it's a usefull tool, but in actually CVS doesn't have it. Fred.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] #if 0 code cleanup work
by bulia byak 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

Hello, >Changed transient policy to 0 as a default. Seems to fix the sawfish bug. Are you sure everyone wants it as the default? This is a serious change that should have been discussed on the list first. When I first implemented transient dialogs a couple months ago, everyone seemed pleased with that, and this sawfish complaint is the first one ever received about that feature. I think sawfish users can easily set it to 0 in their local configs, while the majority of users will be disappointed to see that unsinkable dialogs are sinkable again. So I suggest that you reverse that change. And if you want to make it easier for people to set their own dialogs-on-top policy, you could work on the preferences dialog instead, as described here: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PreferencesDialog _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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letter-spacing
by bulia byak 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

I just committed support for the letter-spacing CSS property. No GUI yet, but you can set letter-spacing on a text object via XML editor and it will work. (I just really needed it for my work, so decided to see if it can be done quickly, and indeed it can.) Please test! One problem is the em and ex units. I simply copied the Lauris' code which sets em equal to the font size and ex to 0.5 of the font size. Of course we need a proper way to extract the real em and ex values from the current font, but I don't know how to do that and if it's possible at all. (Or can Pango text help with this?) Any help will be appreciated. _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: bug 889618
by bulia byak 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

>Like where does it tell me to use any of those keys? Like in Help > Keyboard shortcuts. It's not done yet but will be done for the upcoming release. >Why can't they just have an X in the corner like nearly every other >window?? Because your window manager chose not to allow them to. Most other window managers (like the default ones of Gnome and KDE) don't remove the decorations from transient windows. Complain to your window manager developers, or search its configuration - it may have a switch for configuring this. Please change <group id="transientpolicy" value="1" /> to <group id="transientpolicy" value="0" /> in your ~/.inkscape/preferences.xml and report if this fixes the problem for you. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] #if 0 code cleanup work
by bulia byak 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

>johan: *-context.cpp files >bulia: knotholder.cpp, nodepath.cpp, rubberband.cpp, object-edit.cpp, >and object-ui.cpp I did all of these. >rejon: libnrtype/ I suggest that we leave this one for later, simply because none of us can claim to completely understand libnr/libnrtype. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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bug 889618
by bulia byak 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

Nathan, Could you please test the solution to this bug on the original reporter's Sawfish WM? If it works acceptably I will close the bug. Now there is options.transientpolicy option that can be set to 0 (default is 1) to not set transient property on dialogs. No GUI yet, maybe in the next version. But you can set the option already by editing your ~/.inkscape/preferences.xml. By the way, even with sinking non-transient windows, you can convenienetly emerge all active dialogs by pressing F12 twice. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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undoing text node changes
by bulia byak 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

Mental: I noticed that editing a text node in the XML editor does not complete transaction (unlike e.g. editing an attribute) and thus breaks undo. So I inserted sp_document_done() into sp_xmlview_content_changed() in widgets/sp-xmlview-content.cpp. This fixed the broken undo, but: 1. I could not find out what document we are editing, so I did the document_done function on SP_DT_DOCUMENT (SP_ACTIVE_DESKTOP). Can you rewrite it without ACTIVE_DESKTOP? 2. Now that the text node changes are undoable, undoing editing a text object in XML editor has the same problem as in this bug: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=861462&group_id=93… That is, if you create a text node, switch to any other tool, and then reproduce this bug's sequence but using XML editor instead of F8, the result is the same. Which proves that the source of the problem is not text tool, but the wrong way text node changes are logged and undone by the repr logger. It was only obvious in text tool because no other tools create/edit text nodes. Can you please have a look into it? _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Grid toggle / snapping keyboard shortcut
by bulia byak 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

>Would it be feasible to have the # key toggle both the grid visibility >and grid snapping at the same time? Good idea, added to my todo _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: Wireframe View
by bulia byak 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

> >Does Inkscape have a "wireframe" or "preview/outline mode"? This is again > >extremely useful when drawings get complex with many overlapping objects. >It > >may allready be present but I have not found it yet. Please let me know >if > >it is here. > >I am pretty sure the answer is no. However, would someone confirm this >please? Not that I know of. >From a users point of view this command is extremely valuable. > >One use is that it enables the user to pick an object that is buried inside >a heap of other overlapping objects without having to go through object >re-arrangements. For this, I will program "select under" by ctrl-alt-clicking in selector. Not ideal, but works in many situations. Stay in one place and ctrl-alt-click repeatedly watching the statusbar that shows what is selected, it will cycle through the entire stack of objects at this point. And lest I forget, the raise/lower commands need to be rewritten so that the selection, too, cycles through only the objects that overlap it, not all the objects of the document as now (this presently makes lower/raise almost unusable in large documents). _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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[Fwd: [Sodipodi-list] basics]
by Jonathan Phillips 04 Feb '04

04 Feb '04

FYI! I sent her an email... jon -----Forwarded Message----- From: sosman <sourceforge@...186...> To: sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Sodipodi-list] basics Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:05:22 +1100 I am having difficulty with even the most basic things with sodi podi. I am sure it can do what I want judging by pics people have done with it but I have almost zero experience with vector drawing packages. The kind of graphic I want to make is embarassingly simple, in fact I got something looking like what I want at http://metrak.com/tmp/no.svg but I cheated by just using a circle and line then adjusting the stroke width. I suspect when I send this to my print shop to cut out a vinyl mask the result won't be what I would like. I guess I really need to make the outline of the shape into vectors. Some basic things I haven't figured out: - how to construct an arc with the "circle, ellipse and arc" tool. - how to join the ends of an arc with a straight line. - how to centre concentric circles and then make sure the line is symmetrical. If any one could point me at a basic tutorial or give me a heads up on these newbie questions that would be most appreciated. cheers ------------------------------------------------------- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn _______________________________________________ Sodipodi-list mailing list Sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sodipodi-list -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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tutorial ready
by bulia byak 04 Feb '04

04 Feb '04

The Help > Tutorial is mostly written, please read and criticize. It's pretty big, but not complete of course. Maybe later I'll break it into a basic tutorial and an advanced tutorial. I'm also interested to see how it comes up with regards to fonts, window size, etc. Posting a screenshot of the tutorial to the site would probably make sense. BUG: When I zoom out from the tutorial page, it ultimately crashes. This looks like an instance of this bug: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=859364&group_id=9… which could not be reproduced outside of my machine. So please test the tutorial by zooming out as far as you can, and report if you get a crash. Now I will write an XSLT transformation to automatically generate an SVG page with the keyboard shortcuts for reference, also to be linked from Help. I think it's nicer and more instructive to present Inkscape help in Inkscape, instead of running an external browser :) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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O'Reilly Open Source Convention
by Ted Gould 04 Feb '04

04 Feb '04

Okay, So I'm going to submit an abstract to present Inkscape at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention. I think it'll be good publicity for the project (with many people that wouldn't see it otherwise) and it's a cheap conference to go to as I can stay with Bryce ;) Here's the info on the conference: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2004/ And here is my first shot at an abstract: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OSCon2004Abstract Ideas? Comments? Thoughts? Free at the end of July to come to Portland? --Ted

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#if 0 code cleanup work
by Bryce Harrington 04 Feb '04

04 Feb '04

Hi all, In the Roadmap for 0.37 one of the code-cleanup tasks we identified was to go through the codebase and examine some dead code that has been disabled by putting it into '#if 0' blocks. It's kind of grunt work, but it really needs to be done. We could put it off for a future release, but it'll still be gruntwork. I figure why not get it out of the way? If we all chip in, it won't be that big of a deal to finish. We'd asked for volunteers earlier but at this point maybe it'll be best to just parcel it out. I've split the review work up into a dozen sub-tasks so we can divide the work amongst ourselves. I did one section (the 'widgets/' subdir) and found it only took an hour or two to complete. Could I ask each of the following people to tackle the indicated sections? johan: *-context.cpp files ted: desktop*.cpp and svg-view.cpp files tvon: sp-gradient.cpp, sp-root.cpp ishmal: file.h, interface.cpp, geom.cpp, inkscape.cpp, and style.cpp pjrm: *-chemistry.cpp and seltrans.cpp bulia: knotholder.cpp, nodepath.cpp, rubberband.cpp, object-edit.cpp, and object-ui.cpp bryce: widgets/, dialogs/ mental: display/ rejon: libnrtype/ This then will leave four remaining areas for whomever gets feeling ambitious, or for anyone that'd like to participate that isn't in the above list: * bonobo/ * svg/ * helper/ * xml/ To do the work, basically just grep for 'if 0' in your section to find the files, and examine each. If you aren't sure what the code does, ask on Jabber, IRC, or the mailing list. Delete the code unless it seems valuable and worth keeping, in which case please write a detailed comment describing a) what it does, b) why it's worth keeping, and c) what needs to be done to bring it back into the codebase proper. Thanks, Bryce

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] inkview slideshow - was fullscreen
by bulia byak 04 Feb '04

04 Feb '04

>Apparently most had already been written. I've put up a page on wiki about >it >with the shortcuts: >http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Inkview Could you make F11 toggle fullscreen, as in the main app, without requiring shift+F11? _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: bug 889618
by bulia byak 04 Feb '04

04 Feb '04

>Incidently, sawfish is (I believe) the default window manager for Gnome. AFAIK they changed to Metacity. _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418

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undoing text node changes
by bulia byak 03 Feb '04

03 Feb '04

Mental: I noticed that editing a text node in the XML editor does not complete transaction (unlike e.g. editing an attribute) and thus breaks undo. So I inserted sp_document_done() into sp_xmlview_content_changed() in widgets/sp-xmlview-content.cpp. This fixed the broken undo, but: 1. I could not find out what document we are editing, so I did the document_done function on SP_DT_DOCUMENT (SP_ACTIVE_DESKTOP). Can you rewrite it without ACTIVE_DESKTOP? 2. Now that the text node changes are undoable, undoing editing a text object in XML editor has the same problem as in this bug: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=861462&group_id=93… That is, if you create a text node, switch to any other tool, and then reproduce this bug's sequence but using XML editor instead of F8, the result is the same. Which proves that the source of the problem is not text tool, but the wrong way text node changes are logged and undone by the repr logger. It was only obvious in text tool because no other tools create/edit text nodes. Can you please have a look into it? _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inscape Status Jan 31, 2004
by bulia byak 03 Feb '04

03 Feb '04

>Project Status Saturday, January 31, 2004 Very nice! Would you post it to the site please? There seems to be a shortage of web site updates - this one will make up for it a bit. BTW notice how the lines of code are decreasing - a welcome result of dropping unneeded dialogs and trimming dead code. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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un-gtkmmification
by MenTaLguY 03 Feb '04

03 Feb '04

Okay, I've removed our gtkmm dependency for now. I did preserve Spark's close confirmation dialog, although I reworked it a little bit to conform to standard Gtk practice. -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] fullscreen
by bulia byak 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

>OK, sounds like something fun. I'll start coding on it tonight. Cool! :) >I also had the idea of starting on a keyboard shortcut chooser GUI, like >wmakerconf (of Windowmaker). Complete with xml preference export file etc. >to avoid keyboard shortcut overlap as Nathan mentioned. >I had the idea of programming it as a GTK widget as this might be useful to >other projects. Making shortcuts configurable is definitely in our agenda, and providing a GUI for this would be even better. However the problem is that the keys are defined in a lots of different places, and not all of them are equally easy to make configurable. See here for an overview: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?KeyboardProfiles _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin…

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Reminder: GUADEC 2004 Call for Papers
by David Neary 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

Hi all, The closing date for submitting abstracts for papers to be presented at GUADEC is now only 2 weeks away. Anyone why is planning on giving a talk should send in an abstract (it doesn't have to be professional, just a short description of what you want to present) to guadec-papers@...45... as soon as possible. I have attached the original call for papers, which contains a lot more information, below. Looking forward to hearing all your great ideas, Regards, Dave, on behalf of the GUADEC planning committee. GUADEC 2004 CALL FOR PAPERS The Fifth European Gnome Users and Developers Conference June 28-30, 2004, Kristiansand, Norway http://guadec.org/ Abstract submission deadline: February 16th, 2004 The European Gnome Users and Developers Conference (GUADEC) invite you to participate in the Fifth Conference on June 28-30, 2004, Kristiansand, Norway The GNOME User and Developer European Conference (GUADEC) will bring together developers, GNOME Foundation leaders and individual, business and government GNOME and open source software users. The conference is a unique forum for highlighting the capabilities and direction of GNOME, the user environment for desktops, networked servers and portable Internet devices. GUADEC will also feature discussions of the future direction of open source development. We're looking for people to give - Talks, Tutorials, Posters, Panels, Planning Sessions / BOFS Areas of interest include, but are not limited to: GNOME core: Latest developments on the GNOME desktop, core GNOME applications, related libraries, security, Mobility and Wireless Access etc. Free Software in the Information Society: Development of policies and cases related to Patents, Open Standards, Migration strategies and experiences (e.g. Office documents), Software in Public sector such as schools and hospitals, Information Society progress including developing countries. Graphics: Development and deployment of applications in particular: Multimedia, Games, Film, GIMP Freestyle: Interesting Free Software issues not covered in the other tracks and open for a less formal forms of presentation REFEREED PAPERS TRACK GUADEC seeks original papers describing research in all areas based on GNOME or related to Open Source. Papers should not have been published or be in submission at another conference or journal. Accepted papers will appear on the Web site and we plan to publish them in conference proceedings. For papers to appear in the proceedings, we need to be strict on the submission format. Format details available on the above web site. We encourage you to submit the 'source' for the paper as well (eg. HTML, LaTeX, DocBook, MagicPoint, etc). Any featured software in papers must be available under a licence compatible with the Open Source Definition (http://www.opensource.org/osd.html). Any papers that are accompanied by non-disclosure agreement forms will be rejected. All successful papers must be eligible for republication on-line and on distribution media given to conference attendees. The GNOME Foundation requires publication rights to accepted papers, including the publication of the audio proceedings as well as publication and reproduction rights to any video filmed during the presentations. These rights are non-exclusive. Copyright ownership is retained by the author. You may be asked to sign an agreement to these conditions upon arrival at the conference. PAPER SUBMISSION Authors of papers are invited to submit abstracts (150 - 400 words) in plain text, due February 16th 2004 Final papers (1500 - 4000 words) or maximum 5 pages, photo and biography, due May 15th 2004. Please send your submission to guadec-papers@...45... See http://2004.guadec.org/ for further details and information on Posters, Panels, and Planning Sessions / BOFS Kristiansand is situated on the Norwegian south coast, offering a city beach and a vivid summer town life. The most visited attraction in Norway, the zoo (Dyreparken), is located nearby Kristiansand. Here the animals are kept in large outdoor space instead of cages. Perhaps we can even find some gnu's there. For those who prefer an excursion to a waterfall and Salmon River this can be also arranged. Other options include concerts, visit to islands, etc. General questions about GUADEC may be sent to info@...133...

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] fullscreen
by bulia byak 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

Hi Johan, perhaps a logical next step after implementing fullscreen is making the entire window layout configurable, with different configurations stored for normal mode and fullscreen mode. Right now this is partially done for rulers and scrollbars; there's a stored preference for each, controlling whether they are shown or not. If you are interested, you could split the rulers and scrollbars options into normal and fullscreen, and then apply the same to the menu, both toolbars, and the statusbar. I think this should not be difficult; all the screen layout code is in desktop.cpp, and the functions for showing/hiding rulers/scrollbars is also there, including the hooks for storing and retrieving preference values. See also this page: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HandlingPreferences _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Win32 Text Alpha value
by bulia byak 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

>Ah... It's definitely in the 0.36 rpm build Oh, ages ago... >I played with it a little bit, and while the colors do look good with a >3/4ths alpha, I'm wondering if for users unfamiliar with what alpha is, >if that default might lead to some confusion, since their objects will >"bleed" color through each other. So maybe setting default alpha to 1 >would be the safest? I don't think so. My tutorial (has anyone read it?) points out the alpha of default shapes and uses it to introduce the alpha concept early in the process. I think it's an advantage as it shows off our capabilities at once. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Win32 Text Alpha value
by bulia byak 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

>Would changing this entry at line 37 >in preferences-skeleton.h be sufficient? > >If so, I will do it... > > >" <group id=\"tools\"" >" style=\"fill:none;fill-opacity:0.75;" No. This is not necessary, as this value affects all tools. I fixed this (a month ago) by <eventcontext id=\"text\"" style=\"fill:black;fill-opacity:1; .... This has been fixed in my builds since then. If it's still broken somewhere, preference-skeleton.h is not the culprit. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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windows build anyone?
by bulia byak 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

Can anyone please compile the latest CVS for Windows so the latest additions could be tested there? I have Windows but no Windows development tools. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Search Smarter - get the new eXact Search Bar for free! http://www.exactsearchbar.com/

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] RE: More whinging about shortcuts andkeybindings ;)
by bulia byak 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

>Hmm, that gives me an idea... how do you feel about the idea of having a >more general 'viewport history' or something like that (which would >include zoom), orthagonal to the document undo history? It IS already a vewport history, that is, each list member in desktop->zooms_past stores four numbers that define the visible area _and_ zoom. However new members to this list are added only when you are zooming in or out, not when you are panning canvas at the same zoom. This is logical: you can pan very slowly, and adding a new "undo step" for each one-pixel panning will make this history unusable. However you gave me an idea: I can store past viewport not only before I do zoom, but also after that; later, when a next zoom is started, I will compare the current viewport with the last stored and, if it's the same, not store it. This way I will be adding one viewport record if there was no panning between zooms and two records if there was panning, these records storing the first and last viewports at this zoom. I think it will be a bit more convenient this way. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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bug 859364
by bulia byak 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

Mental, I found that a slight rearrangement/optimization of code in libnrtype/nr-rasterfont.cpp fixes this bug for me. So I committed this change because, at least, it does not look as silly as an empty g_print(). I'm closing the bug, as I don't think we'll find a better solution because: - I'm weak at low-level debugging of weird problems (IANAP), and you could not reproduce it - I'm at a loss when it comes to libnr stuff. By the way this worries me a lot, because we have some other bugs (such as 871342, 871582) that are buried deep in libnr and nobody seems to be able to touch them :( - Nobody except you was interested - nobody even reported if they can reproduce the crash or not! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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RE: Inkscape minor changes I'd like before the next release (if acceptable)
by bulia byak 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

>On most of the keyboards I have seen the right Alt key is labelled AltGr >(which as far as I can remember is short for Alternative Graphic which is >a holdover from back in the days of machines like the Commodore 64 where >holding down AltGr and a letter would print a graphical symbol). > >I tried using them, lots of crashing >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=887327&group_id=93… Thanks for reporting, that crash is now fixed in CVS. > > No. Arrows are for moving. Rotation is different and needs different >keys. > >I disagree (rotation is still moving and I think) using differnt keys is >unnecessary. No. It's a very different kind of moving. If only because moving has four directions and rotation only two (as I wrote you before). You cannot unambiguously map rotation directions to (some of the) four arrows. And finally, arrows are already so busy with different kinds of moving/panning that adding rotation to them would produce a total mess. Nobody will be able to remember those shortcuts. >If i can get a working build I will be sure to try using the keys you >proposed but using both Alt keys as you have suggested seems like it >would be quite awkward. It's a bit awkward physically, but it's very easy mentally. It's easy to understand the logic behind these shortcuts and therefore to remember them. Try to invent another system where you can scale/rotate both handles or any single one of them, with two different speeds. Without using left/right alt trick, these keys will likely occupy half of your keyboard and will be impossible to remember. > > Panning must not depend on whether there is a selection. > >I dont understand. Can you explain why? Because I may want to pan regardless of any selection, of course! > > >I'm thinking maybe also that you cannot have a meaningful 'rotate' when > > >you are in Node Edit mode (as opposed to the standard select mode) > > > > Yes I can. Select a node and press [ or ]. > >I alway think of the node as being the point specifically, you mean to >rotate the bezier spline (i think spline is the word I'm looking for, you >know the lines that go throught the node and that you can adjust to change >the curve). Not spline, but the control handles of the bezier attached to the node. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] fullscreen
by bulia byak 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

>On Sat, 2004-01-31 at 14:11, Johan Ceuppens wrote: > > I've put in a ctrl-F11 shortcut. I'm not familiar with Illustrator, so >I've > > put in ctrl-shift-F11 to revert back. Is that ok ? > >Well, probably just having a single keybinding to toggle to/from >fullscreen would be fine. Agreed, I think just F11 to toggle fullscreen would be nice, and it will line up with F12 which hides/shows dialogs. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Inscape Status Jan 31, 2004
by Bryce Harrington 01 Feb '04

01 Feb '04

Project Status Saturday, January 31, 2004 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ We're currently in a pre-feature freeze mode, focusing on closing bugs and doing some other cleanups to ensure the upcoming 0.37 release is solid. A full feature freeze will occur shortly, and we anticipate the final release occuring before the next status report. Much of the effort the past two weeks have focused on bug fixes, minor feature enhancements, and other tweaks. Here's just a brief synopsis of some of the work lately: Attention has been put into the handling of icons, including some fixes for Win32. Further discussion over keyboard shortcuts has identified some improvement tweaks. Some documentation updates/rewrites have been done. A discussion about a remove/apply transformations has resulted in some good ideas and sparked some coding effort in that direction. We've temporarily disabled the 'Filters' menu, with the plan to reactivate it later when we've gotten it more useful. Some discussion on renaming the Dialogs menu has also occurred. A code style document has been drafted after much debate and haggling, and we're looking forward to applying our new rules on the codebase well into the future. A full screen mode has been added. SourceForge has been problematic the past couple weeks, with both CVS and email being either extremely slow, or unavailable entirely. We expect the mailing list problems to resolve themselves once the MyDoom virus has passed; the CVS issue appears to be more chronic so we are considering alternative providers and will be switching once a suitable one is found. We recognized a need for a tutorial, and after considering some of the more typical options like firing off the default HTML browser or tying in with platform-specific help systems, we hit on a novel idea - why not use Inkscape's SVG text subsystem directly, like is done with the About Inkscape dialog box? What better way to teach SVG than to present it in SVG directly? :-) This has inspired a *bunch* more ideas that we hope to see folks explore in the future. Statistics Nov 15 Nov 29 Dec 15 Dec 31 Jan 15 Jan 31 ========== ====== ====== ====== ====== ====== ====== Lifetime Rank on SourceForge: 4391 3676 2452 2444 1928 1945 (68.5%) (73.6%) (82.4%) (82.5%) (86.1%) (86.1%) Max Week's Rank on SourceForge: 62 37 27 22 321 335 (99.6%) (99.8%) (99.8%) (99.9%) (97.5%) (97.8%) Total SF Page Views * 50,000 86,000 107,600 126,500 158,000 Total SF Downloads * 1700 3640 4,751 5,735 7,300 Total Freshmeat URL Hits 746 1121 2237 2567 2,958 3,178 Total Freshmeat Subscriptions 16 19 28 30 33 34 Lines of Code in src/: 115,901 116,970 132,134 165,664 166,914 164,140 Code lines 100,549 132,458 133,150 130,557 Comment line 11,591 12,234 12,468 12,424 Blank 20,559 21.540 21,929 21,796 Lines of Docs in doc/: 1,135 2,100 2,225 2,615 3,068 3,505 Lines of content in website: 1,173 1,624 2,090 2,261 2,885 2,994 Size of the Inkscape wiki: 3,700 5,737 7,385 11,062 11,284 11,897 Minutes since last ChangeLog mod: 360 120 1260 42 6 4 Bugs open/total: 9/15 40/51 67/111 66/130 74/160 61/166 Features open/total: 18/18 23/24 40/45 103/115 104/120 108/124 Patches open/total: 1/ 6 5/20 6/25 4/32 4/32 3/33 CVS Commits (as per inkscape-cvs): 481 963 * 1580 * 2343 Inkscape-devel membership: 49 61 64 65 64 63 Inkscape-announce membership: 9 14 16 20 22 23 Inkscape-user membership: 0 11 * - Statistics unavailable

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] RE: Inkscape minor changes I'd like before the next release (if acceptable)
by Jonathan Phillips 01 Feb '04

01 Feb '04

Usually when you see caps from me, its because my hand hit the caps key on accident :) Cool man...Do you live in Chicago? Someone on our list lives in Chicago. I'm gonna be there in 2 weeks...fyi Jon On Sat, 2004-01-31 at 17:13, Alan Horkan wrote: > On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Jonathan Phillips wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:07:36 -0800 > > From: Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...> > > To: Alan Horkan <horkana@...44...> > > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] RE: Inkscape minor changes I'd like before > > the next release (if acceptable) > > > > Alan, > > > > I think our development crew value comments, suggestions and posts to > > the bug tracker. Please don't mistake my comments as against that, but > > rather as constructive-criticism for a debate that is in favor of the > > person who fixes the "engine," so to speak. > > > > We need developers of all skill-levels, and not just programmers. > > Sorry, I saw the All-Caps and my brain switched off temporarily and I > overreacted. > > If Inkscape wasn't so differnt from the GIMP and Dia in how it handles > it's shortcuts and I could get it to build I could probably with a little > difficulty provide patches for keybindings. > > It is difficult for me to convince developers I'm right at least in a > certain way. When confronted by the 'show me the attitude' all I can do > it politely state my case and try not to take it personally. > > I need to improve my 'building' skills if i want to get more of a chance > to prove my 'architecture' skills > > Thanks for the feedback. I do appreciate that you engage my arguements > and I sometimes overreact a little but I think I can safely put that down > to how difficult it can be to express oneself clearly using only the > written word. > > Sincerely > > Alan Horkan > http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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Win32 path fix
by Bob Jamison 01 Feb '04

01 Feb '04

I added a fix to Win32 for Inkscape to load its resource files relative to the executable, from wherever Inkscape.exe is called. This is essential for calling Inkscape from other than the current directory, or double-clicking an icon. This is especially useful for associating ".svg" with Inkscape. If, for example, you used this Registry file (with the path name corrected for your box), you could double-click a .svg file and have Inkscape open it. Save it as inkscape.reg, and double-click it to add to the registry. The latest automated Win32 build has this enabled. I guess that in the future this Registry entry should be done by an installer. ======= SNIP ======= REGEDIT4 [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.svg] @="svgfile" [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\svgfile] @="Scalable Vector Graphics File" [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\svgfile\shell] [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\svgfile\shell\edit] @="" [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\svgfile\shell\edit\command] @="C:\\inkscape\\inkscape.exe \"%1\""

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RE: Inkscape minor changes I'd like before the next release (if acceptable)
by bulia byak 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

>I've been reading the KeyboardShortcutsToDo document in Wiki >http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?KeyboardShortcutsToDo > >You ask >::(two rotation directions ''times'' two rotation speeds ''plus'' two >radial movements) ''times'' two handles for each node ''equals'' 12 keys >or key combinations in total! >:I'm thinking about how to fit this into the keyboard in a more or less >elegant way that can be remembered. Suggestions welcome. > >I would venture a guess that a certain amount of context could be used to >reduce the requirements for so many unique keybindings. I think I managed to shape this quite well with [] <> with various modifiers. See the KeyboardShortcuts page (the ToDo needs updating). Try it on a real node path to get a feel. >I'm thinking we should be able to heavily overload the arrow keys. >Also my instinct is that treating Alt and AltGr differntly is something >that should be avoided if possible. I'm not sure what is AltGr, but left and right Alts or Ctrls are pretty convenient for rotating the two handles separately. Try it. >I remember you had some objections to when this was brought up >http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~horkana/inkscape/jasc-webdraw-tooltips.txt but I >cannot quite recall what they were. (Perhaps it was that you didn't like >that rotate clockwise was both Down Arrow and Right arrow and similarly Up >Arrow and Left arrow were anticlockwise.) I still think the shorcuts used >for this by Jasc Web aren't bad. No. Arrows are for moving. Rotation is different and needs different keys. >Inkscape already uses up and down arrows for Nudging, shift+arrow gives a >bigger nudge. Inkscape uses Ctrl+Arrows for some sort of >Panning/scrolling but I think this is a waste. Why? I use it all the time. It's very convenient. >I'm not sure if it is this >is a good keybinding for panning but it should not be used when there is a >selection. Panning must not depend on whether there is a selection. > When something is selected then Ctrl+Arrows could be used for >rotating it. No. Confusing. Panning keys always pan. Rotating keys always rotate. That's the way it should be. >When there is nothing selected (and because we know dont want to rotate >the whole canvas), we can still use Ctrl+Arrows for panning in this >context if that is what we really want to use those keys for. What you propose is a usability disaster. Accidental rotates when I intended to pan and vice versa will drive me crazy. >Although I'd normally try and avoid using the Alt key for much I do think >alt+arrows could be quite useful, if not instead of the keys you have >suggested then perhaps for skew/shearing. Alt+anything has the general meaning of moving slowly, one visible pixel per keypress. That's the way it works with arrows, [], and <>. I can't live without it. >I'm thinking maybe also that you cannot have a meaningful 'rotate' when >you are in Node Edit mode (as opposed to the standard select mode) Yes I can. Select a node and press [ or ]. >so we >can use these keybindings again for manipulating the nodes. Now that I >think about it Select and Node Edit need to be kept clearly seperated out >anyway, and I'm hoping this makes a whole huge amount of sense. >(Modes like in Vi can be nasty for users but we have them already and may >as well make the most if it) Those operations that are clearly and unambiguously applicable both to objects and to nodes, such as move or rotate, must apply to objects and nodes in selector and node tool respectively. That's just logical. >** ctrl-[, ctrl-] - scale 1/2 or 2 times the original Now it's ctrl-< and ctrl->. As I said, [ and ] are for rotating. >Unfortunately Adobe Illustrator uses them for >Bring to Front Shift+Ctrl+] >Brink Forward Ctrl+] >Send Backward Ctrl+[ >Send to Back Shift+Ctrl+[ Too bad :) I don't think we'll change that to conform to Illustrator because: 1) we already have established keys for back/forward and 2) [ and ] are convenient for rotate. So we'll leave this for the "Illustrator compatibility mode". >I'm conflicted by my sycophantic desire to pander to Adobe Illustrator >users and the desire to use the same keybindings as I used for Dia (which >if i recall correctly were the same as Visio, see below) and perhaps get >other Gnome application to try and use the same bindings consistantly. >Only by keybindings being consistant across applications do they become >significantly easier to learn and remember. > >Send to Back Ctrl+B >Send Backwards shift+ctrl+b >Bring to Front Ctrl+F >bring forwards shift+ctrl+f Ctrl-b, shift-ctrl-f are already occupied. Ctrl-f will be one day used for search (I hope). >I desperately want the Page Up and Page Down keys back so that they can be >used to move up and down the page as the Gods of User Interface Design >intended so I have been thinking about the possible shortcuts. No. In a text editor, the up/down direction is significantly different from left/right so it has additional keys (pgup/pgdn). Not so in a drawing program. Here we have four equally important directions, and they must be equally served by keys. That's why all moves and pans can only be done by arrows, because there are 4 of them. On the other hand, pgup/pgdn can later be used for navigating across "pages" or "layers" of an svg, but that's far away into the future. For now, I like pgup/dn as they are. >Whiel I'm at it I may as well mention that I really strongly want to >rename the Dialogs menu with a 'Tools' menu and make it consistant with >about a zillion pieces of Software instead of just a handful of ugly >software (Gimp, Cinepaint, Sodipodi, Dia). "Tools" is vague. "Dialogs" is exactly what this menu contains. I see no reason for a change. >Sorry if this mail makes little sense, it was written completely out of >order, I originally intended to mail it to the list and I really need to >get some sleep and get my damned project finished on time! I want to sleep too, so replying briefly :) >I found a PDF document that lists some of the shortcuts (keybindings) used >by Adobe Illustrator 7.0 >http://www.bsu.edu/web/ucspubs/pdf/other/crossprod.pdf See KeyboardProfiles - if you care about Illustrator, plan a profile as described on that page. I promise to implement loading keys from a file as soon as we have two complete profiles of different mainstream editors. >PPS I figure I must be doing something wrong or overlooking some detail >but I cant quite seem to get Inkscape (on windows) to import any Images. File > Import? _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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RE: Inkscape minor changes I'd like before the next release (if acceptable)
by bulia byak 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

>Even though you can think of Inkscape of currently only having one page I >think having 'page up' and 'page down' do just that is best. (Even given >the importance of Layers in the GIMP I dont think they should be stealing >Page Up and Page Down either and that they should use a differnt >shortcut). None of the vector editors I know uses pgup/pgdn for panning canvas. It's just a foreign concept for a two-dimensional one-page canvas. How would you define the "page" to scroll if what you have before you is just one page? > > "Tools" is vague. "Dialogs" is exactly what this menu contains. I see no > > reason for a change. > >Consistancey with about a Zillion applications ... You can talk about consistency in naming when the functions are similar. What other apps call "tools" is different. E.g. Illustrator has a similar menu used to open various dialogs, but it's called View, not Tools. (And View is obviously more vague and confusing than Dialogs.) > > See KeyboardProfiles - if you care about Illustrator, plan a profile as > > described on that page. I promise to implement loading keys from a file >as > > soon as we have two complete profiles of different mainstream editors. > >I will still push for the defaults to be as much possible like Adobe >Illustrator or failing that another well established piece of professional >graphics software so that at least one large userbase will be able to >migrate relatively easily to Inkscape. You're welcome. Just don't forget to consult (and test) the current Inkscape shortcuts, and make sure your proposal does not infringe on (or gracefully resolves) other shortcuts - because by now, a lot of keys are already taken. >Lots of new and unique keybindings >is the worst of all worlds. Sorry but to me, lots of convenient shortcuts are what matters most, and their consistency with other apps is secondary. That's what keyboard profiles are for. (See Wiki.) Especially given that we now have quite a few shortcuts for which other apps have no equivalent at all. For example Illustrator cannot move by single pixel, cannot scale or rotate by keyboard, cannot edit nodes by keyboard - I find it very frustrating when I have to work in Illustrator. > > File > Import? > >That was among the things I tried but that didn't work. I will test. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: default document
by bulia byak 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

>So what do you think then about just adding the keyboard shortcuts as >this type of tutorial, with the key graphics I created sometime ago. Where are these graphics? Can you send them to me? >NOTE: Basically, we could even have an "open template," where we could >have sets of template svgs of different documents where people could >select like--standard icon, or letter, or A4, or stationary, or a style Yes, but that's another matter. I'm now working on Help menu. >Hmmm...what do you recommend now for the keyboard shortcuts/manpage. Not sure about manpage (maybe we can live without it in the Help menu, now that we have a tutorial), but I'm working on shortcuts as an SVG reference sheet. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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RE: More whinging about shortcuts and keybindings ;)
by bulia byak 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

>Is it part of the plan that the item "Dialogs, Tool Options" be merged >into the secondary toolbar? I think I recall it being mentioned. Yes. It's in the plans. > > > > See KeyboardProfiles - if you care about Illustrator, plan a profile >as > > > > described on that page. I promise to implement loading keys from a >file > > >as soon as we have two complete profiles of different mainstream >editors. > >If you clarify what exactly you mean by "complete profile" I might be able >to do something, I'm pretty sure the Adobe Illustrator documentation lists >all the keybindings. See http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?KeyboardProfiles, section "What is to be done". Basically you need to compile a list of keybindings with a classification of their applicability to Inkscape. >I would hope that you will remain flexible and not reject changes just >because Inkscape has been doing something a certain way before (of course >when Inkscape has been around longer I'd accept this arguement >occasionally). Sure :) >View, Grid #" is a bad keybinding for Americans. if i recall correctly ># is Shift+3 on an American keyboard. What's bad with it being easy to remember? Can you find any key that looks more like a grid than #? >Also the label should probably be >changed to Show Grid (and similarly Show Rulers and Show Scrollbars). Yes, but then it must be Show/Hide, which is bulky. The menu needs to be redone so that the labels are dynamic, e.g. showing "Show grid" when no grid and "Hide grid" otherwise. Until then, let it be just "Grid". >I'd also recommend avoiding single letter keybindings for most things >except the tools (but I wont be surprised if you dont think the >Function keys should be changed either). I don't know - that depends on the strength of your arguments :) >For similar reasons I'm not sure about the keybindings for >Next Zoom Shift+' >Prev Zoom ' Your proposal being? >(abbreviations definately not allowed!) You mean, in the menu? I think we can take an exception, Prev is easy to understand next to Next, and they line up nicely. >but I find the whole idea a bit odd, it is like a seperate undo history >for Zoom which is not something I've seen before. Xara has a "previous zoom" command which is very convenient. Unfortunately it only takes you back to previous zoom and not further, which is why I decided to carry the idea further and implement a complete zoom history. I now use it all the time. >Group and Ungroup use the shortcuts Ctrl+G and Ctrl+U respectively which >are reasonable. But given the shortage of avialable keys, the Gnome HIG, >and the keybindings used by Adobe Illustrator I would suggest >you consider changing it to Ctrl+Shift+G for Ungroup. This might make sense, if you propose a compelling function for Ctrl+U. Otherwise, why disrupt? Ctrl+Shift+G for Ungroup works already exactly as Ctrl+U. >The Gnome HIG recommends the principle of using the Shifted version of a >keybinding for the inverse or for related tasks. >http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/draft_hig_new/input-keyboard.ht… >"Use Shift-Ctrl-letter for functions that reverse or extend another >function. For example, Ctrl-Z and Shift-Ctrl-Z for Undo and Redo." We support exactly that. >Getting distracted again I notice Inkscape has "Clear All" which is >grouped beside select all and I mistakenly thought it meant clear >the selection i.e. "Select None". That's a good point. I think makes sense indeed to replace "clear all" with a "deselect" command. Adding that to TODO. > > > > File > Import? >Tried agian with a more recent build from today and I still cannot import >any images (tried jpegs png and bitmaps). Please submit a bug with detailed description. >For all my complaining I really do like Inkscape and I appreciate all the >work you all put into it. We sometimes forget to thank people for >all their great work so, "Thanks for the software". You're welcome :) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin…

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gtk wheel
by Jonathan Phillips 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

I also make a motion to remove the GTK color that makes the fill/stroke palette to massive in the release. Agree? Disagree? Obviously, we will add back in once the custom gtk color wheel is finished. Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: fullscreen
by bulia byak 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

> > - on my KDE 3.14, fullscreen only works properly when there are no > > other maximized windows. If there's a maximized window and an Inkscape > > window over it, then calling fullscreen results in unending flashing > > of these two windows - this can only be stopped by killing > > Inkscape. Anyone else having this problem? > > > >This is a window manager related issue depending on WM_HINTS etc. (Xlib) >It works in sawfish, which is more tied in with gtk. I'll see if I can >disable >it somehow or change the X properties of a window. Now that I've checked, the fullscreen in Gimp 1.3.23 exhibits the same behavior. So, please try to tweak what you can, but it may well be unfixable with the current versions of GTK or KDE. Hopefully this will be resolved sometime in the future... > > - when I open new document windows from a fullscreen window, they are > > sometimes on top of it but sometimes they sink under the fullscreen > > window (can't guess what is the algorithm here). > > > >Hm, no idea, could it be window focus rules ? Maybe. I'll try to investigate. Thanks for the contribution, please keep up the good work! :) _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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fullscreen rocks
by Jonathan Phillips 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

Fullscreen rocks! I think we should add a toggle switch to the bottom of the doc. window next to the zoom toggle, possibly to the left of it. When you get into hardcore design work, it is good to have a switch to that. Great WORK jceuppan...did we give him dev. access yet? jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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Re: default document
by bulia byak 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

>my attempt is in cvs under doc/default.svg. I'd be most grateful if >someone with some time and skill could polish it up. Good idea, it should be added to the Help menu when it's ready (it's even simpler than adding a keyboard shortcuts page - no need to run a browser). Start it with how to scroll/zoom around and how to select things. Then, creating basic shapes; transforms with selector; changing fill and stroke; opening/saving; node tool; text tool; etc. The order is approximate, of course. >It would also be good to work out how to make the tutorial start at a >reasonable size, near the top. Just save it, and next time it will come up with this zoom/view/window size. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] can't compile
by bulia byak 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

>select-context.cpp: In function `gint >sp_select_context_root_handler(SPEventContext*, GdkEvent*)': >select-context.cpp:386: error: cannot convert `const NR::Point' to `double' >for argument `2' to `void sp_rubberband_start(SPDesktop*, double, double)' >make[3]: *** [select-context.o] Error 1 Oh my. It's yesterday's message. Please ignore, it's fixed now. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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GUADEC logo invitation
by David Neary 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

Hey there, The fifth annual GNOME conference, GUADEC [GNOME Users and Developers European Conference], will be held in Kristiansand 28-30.June, 2004. We need a logo for the event. Ideally we are looking for a logo including the GNOME footage with a local Norwegian touch. If you are interested in helping out please send your proposal to guadec-planning@...45... as soon as possible. The logo will be used for promotion, on website, t-shirts etc.. Since the logo will be used on material of many different sizes, proposals should be in a vector format if possible. All proposals will be on display on the website of the conference. Many thanks, The GVADEC V Team You can check out some more information on the GUADEC website at http://2004.guadec.org/

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banner printing
by Robert Crosbie 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

Hi all, I have a 8.25 x 40" svg graphic that I want to print as a template for a scrollsaw project. I'd like to try and print it out on 8.5x14 paper which I can then tape together for my template. Is there any way to do this using inkscape or some other means under Linux. I have to admint, I'm not familiar with inkscapes printing mechanism because I always export my images to bitmaps and use gimp for final manipulations before printing. Thanks, Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] gtk wheel
by bulia byak 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

>I've got my reinvented wheel about ready. > >Should I go ahead and push it in this weekend? Why not - if you think it's ready for the release, or can be readied quickly :) I would love to see it and criticize it :) _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Re: default document
by bulia byak 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

I checked in the Tutorial command in the Help menu. It simply opens tutorial.svg from INKSCAPE_PIXMAPDIR, where it is put by "make install" from icons/. Feel free to change the directory structure; I don't know hot to properly modify makefiles, so I just listed tutorial.svg next to about.svg in icons/makefile.am and it seems to work. Win32 build files may need updating, too. The tutorial is very preliminary, but I think I will finish it before the release. Suggestions welcome. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Update on Inkscape release plan
by Bryce Harrington 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

It sounds like there's a desire to push the release back a week, due mainly to concerns about mail trouble from the virus. Bryce

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RE: default document
by bulia byak 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

What's wrong with the list? I don't see any mail in it since yesterday. >The idea was to have inkscape check for ~/.inkscape/default.svg and open >that for "run without any parameters", and if ~/.inkscape/default.svg >were missing, to use the system wide default.svg given in >doc/default.svg. This gives us the ability for users to start with >their prefered document options (such as page size, colour, etc). The >tutorial should explain how this works so that the user can change the >default easily (checkbox in save?). We almost have it already. It now works via the default namedview template in preferences.xml. It allows you to set paper size, color, border width & shadow, grid and guide options, plus zoom and center of view. As for easy setting, I think now the best approach is to add a "save as template" button in the Document Options doalog, now that I've collected all document options into one dialog. Ultimately, we'll need a support for multiple external templates and a "new for template" option, but for now the template in preferences.xml is good enough I think. >I'm suggesting we try and get this in for this release, particularly if >someone can work on the tutorial to explain some of the features that >people tend to miss when they first try out inkscape(knots, offsets, >printing to .ps). I'm writing to you because you would be the best >person to implement the logic for this (I think?). So the logic is mostly there, except for the button, which should not be difficult to add. But you can edit your template in preferences already, and it may make sense to mention this in docs somewhere... but on the other hand, keyboard shortcuts are more important, and we still don't have them in the Help menu. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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default document
by MenTaLguY 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

For some reason nathan's mail isn't getting through -- he asked me to forward this: Subject: default document From: Nathan Hurst <njh@...32...> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:34:41 +1100 To: bulia byak <bulia@...23...>, inkscape <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> Hi Bulia, sometime ago we discussed the idea of making a default document open when inkscape is first installed, perhaps only opening on the first time use of inkscape, perhaps until the user changes their default document settings. The idea was to have inkscape check for ~/.inkscape/default.svg and open that for "run without any parameters", and if ~/.inkscape/default.svg were missing, to use the system wide default.svg given in doc/default.svg. This gives us the ability for users to start with their prefered document options (such as page size, colour, etc). The tutorial should explain how this works so that the user can change the default easily (checkbox in save?). I'm suggesting we try and get this in for this release, particularly if someone can work on the tutorial to explain some of the features that people tend to miss when they first try out inkscape(knots, offsets, printing to .ps). I'm writing to you because you would be the best person to implement the logic for this (I think?). njh

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default document
by Nathan Hurst 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

for some reason this didn't arrive. njh

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fullscreen mode
by Johan C 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

Hi, I'm interested in coding on inkscape. I've coded for Worldforge together with Bryce. I've talked a bit with some developers on gristle.org and decided to hack in fullscreen mode and maybe patterns later on. If anyone can point me in the right direction for the fullscreen mode that'd be great. So far, I've seen a gtk_window_fullscreen function somewhere with a GDK_F mask shortcut. I'll make this F11 as in the keyboard shortcuts todo on wiki. People on gristle.org suggested putting in a menuitem for it in the View menu. Any suggestions are welcome. Johan

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fullscreen mode
by Johan Ceuppens 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

Hi, I'm interested in coding on inkscape. I've coded for Worldforge together with Bryce. I've talked a bit with the developers on gristle.org and decided to hack in fullscreen mode and maybe patterns later on. If anyone can point me in the right direction for the fullscreen mode that'd be great. So far, I've seen a gtk_window_fullscreen function somewhere with a GDK_F mask shortcut. I'll make this F11 as in the keyboard shortcuts todo on wiki. People on gristle.org suggested putting in a menuitem for it in the View menu. Any suggestions are welcome. Johan

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default document
by Nathan Hurst 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

Hi Bulia, sometime ago we discussed the idea of making a default document open when inkscape is first installed, perhaps only opening on the first time use of inkscape, perhaps until the user changes their default document settings. The idea was to have inkscape check for ~/.inkscape/default.svg and open that for "run without any parameters", and if ~/.inkscape/default.svg were missing, to use the system wide default.svg given in doc/default.svg. This gives us the ability for users to start with their prefered document options (such as page size, colour, etc). The tutorial should explain how this works so that the user can change the default easily (checkbox in save?). I'm suggesting we try and get this in for this release, particularly if someone can work on the tutorial to explain some of the features that people tend to miss when they first try out inkscape(knots, offsets, printing to .ps). I'm writing to you because you would be the best person to implement the logic for this (I think?). njh

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RE: Inkscape minor changes I'd like before the next release (if acceptable)
by bulia byak 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

> > > > No. Arrows are for moving. Rotation is different and needs different > > >keys. > >How about using Ctrl+R for rotation through 90 degrees? (I use that a >whole lot more often than the small rotations anyway). Why ctrl-] is any worse? And if you decide you want to rotate it back, you only need to press ctrl-[. Whereas with ctrl-r, you'd have to do ctrl-r three more times :) >Ctrl+R is >currently used by Show Rulers and only becuase I cannot think of anything >better I'd suggest using Ctrl+Shift+R for Show Rulers because at least >then it would be the same as the GIMP. And ctrl-r in Gimp is what? > > Because I may want to pan regardless of any selection, of course! > >You might want to, you dont sound all that certain. Really, I pan with ctrl-arrows ALL THE TIME. When the doc is just loaded and there's no selection. When I have a selection and want to better center it. And in a million of other cases :) >I've just noticed that the Up and Down Arrow Keys currently Zoom in and >Out (when used without any modifier keys) and I would have expected them >to be available for Panning when nothing was selected. They're not supposed to, it's a bug which I will fix shortly. It does not affect selector and node tool. >I'd think that Up and Down would be best not used for Zooming. Sure. >For Zooming it would be better to just have >Zoom In + (and also =) as well as Ctrl++ (and Ctrl+=) Sorry, ctrl++ is already "union". It's easy to remember that ctrl with four math operators means four boolean functions. >Zoom Out - as well as Ctrl+- Ctrl+- is "subtract" >(the use of both + and = is to avoid the nasty differences between QWERTY >and AZERTY keyboards) and with Zoom having this generous selection of >shorcuts Yes. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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can't compile
by bulia byak 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

select-context.cpp: In function `gint sp_select_context_root_handler(SPEventContext*, GdkEvent*)': select-context.cpp:386: error: cannot convert `const NR::Point' to `double' for argument `2' to `void sp_rubberband_start(SPDesktop*, double, double)' make[3]: *** [select-context.o] Error 1 _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] win32 icon problem
by bulia byak 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

>These are all now fuzzy, poor colour contrast and much less clear than >previous icons. My guess is that they are not "new icons". There was no icons change on Linux recently. Most likely, the Win build is just broken because of the recent directory renames and thus uses wrong icons. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] gtk wheel
by bulia byak 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

>I also make a motion to remove the GTK color that makes the fill/stroke >palette to massive in the release. Agree? Disagree? Obviously, we will >add back in once the custom gtk color wheel is finished. Disagree, as I wrote just a few days ago. I use it all the time. Do not remove unless you have a fully functional replacement. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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win32 icon problem
by bulia byak 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Bob, in Inkscape0401280318.zip there's some problem with icons: they are all different from Linux version and often disappear (leaving black squares). Maybe something related to the recent glade/icons rename? Could you please have a look? _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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filters menu
by MenTaLguY 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Would anyone object if we removed the (mostly non-functional) Filters menu for the release? (When we bring it back, we'll need to call it something else anyway -- we plan on implementing SVG Filters eventually, and those are a totally different thing) -mental

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ted, your abstract
by Jonathan Phillips 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Ted, this is a reminder tody to not forget your abstract at work. It would be a good read... Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Prep for releasing Inkscape 0.37
by bulia byak 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

> > Can you please post these numbers, just out of curiosity? As well as > > probably SP 0.33 numbers and our 0.36 numbers? That would give us a >sense of > > competition, which is always good :) > >Btw, I've been keeping more detailed track of metrics on our website at >http://www.inkscape.org/status/. Oh, that one I know - thanks for keeping it up, it's really interesting. But the comparison to Sodipodi is more thrilling :) We must beat SP 0.33 downloads. We have everything needed for that. I think we lagged behind with 0.36 simply because the Windows build was not ready in time, and Windows downloads are massive. Now we must push our no-hassle Windows builds more aggressivly. >Also, I suspect when we move CVS off of SourceForge it will reduce our >SF rank subsequent to that. Not really - I read that they are not counting CVS activity due to some issue. What can probably affect our rank is our posting the release news via the news tracker (this wasn't done for the last release). _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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code cleanup
by Jonathan Phillips 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Also, after doing this conversion from glade -> icons, it is actually a really good idea to document your code cleanup performaed to each file. Don't forget (I think I'm reminding myself). Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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glade naming changed to icons
by Jonathan Phillips 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Hello all, I'm changing globally all references to glade, except in the logs of course. I'm about to commit my changes, and am adding a big Changelog of every file touched so that you can complain to me if something is wrong and we can track it down without a rollback. Thanks, Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape on Windows
by bulia byak 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

>I have GTK 2.2.4-2 (from the Gimp web site) installed, which is the >official version for Windows. However, when I try to install Inkscape, it >quits the installer, asking me to install GTK2. Are you using 0.36 installer? If so wait for 0.37, or grab a recent build here: http://troi.lincom-asg.com/~rjamison/inkscape/ These new builds do not require any external libraries. Just unzip and run. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] transforms
by bulia byak 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

>HOWEVER, please do not take the "auto-flattening" transforms behavior any >further -- particularly, don't apply group transformations to group >members instead. That way lies madness and severe numerical problems >(errors will accumulate rapidly over time). Think what will happen when we use groups as layers, and what is happening already now that it's possible to select within group. For example: - group some objetcs - move and scale the group - select an object within group - copy - paste The transformation is lost. Also see this bug: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=867521&group_id=9… How do you propose to solve these problems without propagating transforms within groups? Especially given that groups may nest arbitrarily deep? >Also bear in mind the expectations of users who use Inkscape to make >trivial edits to existing (possibly hand-structured) SVG files. They will be able to work in the global "preserve" mode. >I would prefer instead that transforms were _never_ flattened unless >explicitly requested. That's what "preserve" mode is for. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Prep for releasing Inkscape 0.37
by bulia byak 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

>1. First, there are a couple last code cleanup tasks that remain: We > need to remove the #if 0 code, and we need volunteers for that. I would prefer that this not be done in a hurry. You must thoroughly understand the piece of code before removing anything, because it may be actually very helpful. Just recently there were several occasions where I reused the old #if0 code, revising and upgrading it, as I was hacking the corresponding files. Without those #if0, my work would probably have been more difficult. So I propose to not try to do all of this for the release, but instead keep doing it as we go - once some part of code is significantly touched by someone, remind him/her to clean up dead code there. >4. Lastly is to get word out about this release. We have tasks > identified in the roadmap for doing this. A suitable goal would be > to match the Sodipodi 0.32 page view and download numbers. Can you please post these numbers, just out of curiosity? As well as probably SP 0.33 numbers and our 0.36 numbers? That would give us a sense of competition, which is always good :) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Proposal: Consider CVS Provider Change
by Bryce Harrington 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

As all SF-using developers know, SF CVS has been partly or totally unavailable for much of the past week. It is possible SF will overcome their current problems and things will greatly stabilize and finally become highly reliable. However, past experience coupled with knowledge of the company's uncertain financial situation suggest this is unlikely to be the case and that we can expect trouble to come. I would like to propose that if when SF CVS returns, we do not have adequate confidence that they'll be highly stable, that we then proceed with a plan to shift to a different CVS provider. There are many different alternatives to consider for CVS providers, each with their own pros and cons. If we go this route I suggest we assemble a set of requirements we would have for a provider, and then judge various options against them. Bryce

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] 'HACKING' file updated
by bulia byak 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

>Mmm, good thought. What if we replace the NEWS page with the latest >Release Notes from the Wiki, Yes - just add to the release algorithm: Take the latest release notes from the wiki, format as text, and place as the NEWS file in the root. Speaking of which, I've just rearranged the release notes a bit, and it would be nice to add more stuff to Internals, Ports, and Infrastructure sections. Can you think something up? We probably also need an intro paragraph and a Known issues section. >and remove the TODO list entirely (maybe >moving relevant items into RFE's or the Roadmap?) Most items there are "DONE", and those which are not are pretty obscure - obviously Lauris was writing that for himself. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjo…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] 'HACKING' file updated
by bulia byak 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

>I've rewritten the old (Sodipodi) HACKING file to make it shorter and to >briefly outline our development philosophy for those wanting to get >involved in the future. I've enclosed it below for review. Good work, thanks! Now it would be great to revise (or remove?) the old NEWS and TODO files... _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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transforms
by MenTaLguY 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

bulia- Please feel free to remove the "remove transform" verb. It's not normally useful, and deleting the transform= attribute using the XML editor is almost as easy. HOWEVER, please do not take the "auto-flattening" transforms behavior any further -- particularly, don't apply group transformations to group members instead. That way lies madness and severe numerical problems (errors will accumulate rapidly over time). Also bear in mind the expectations of users who use Inkscape to make trivial edits to existing (possibly hand-structured) SVG files. I would prefer instead that transforms were _never_ flattened unless explicitly requested. I will explain my reasoning further when I get home tonight. -mental

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Thank you
by Sebastian Stein 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

I like to thank Inkscape's developers for this great application. I first tried sodipodi, but the user interface is a mess and it lacks such simple things like drawing a circle. Please go on with your great work! Steinchen

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] remove/apply transformations?
by bulia byak 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

Thanks to everyone for responses! My summary: I was _not_ proposing to remove support for transform=, of course. I just want to make it more consistent and less confusing for new users. So here's a more detailed proposal: There's a switch in "tool options" for selector between "optimize" and "preserve" transformations. The "preserve" option causes all manual scales and drags in selector to add transform=, while "optimize" (the default) writes transformations to the object coordinates. I suspect that the "preserve" mode is buggy simply because it's not the default, and anyway it seems to apply only to manual operations in selector. What I want to do instead: - Make this switch truly global, affecting all transform operations no matter what caused them. - Make sure the "optimize" mode is as complete as possible, i.e. all commands write as much as possible to the object attributes in this mode (absolute "optimization" is not possible, as some transforms cannot be native for some objects and require a transform= anyway). - Make sure the "preserve" mode is equally global and complete, and thoroughly test it. - Add "apply transform" command for those switching between these two modes. Perhaps it might be combined with some other cleanup operations and called simply "cleanup" or "optimize", because "apply transform" is too confusing (I would expect it to call something like the Transformation dialog, not make some invisible change to XML). - Remove the "remove transform" command - it's really just confusing, and in any case it's easy to do the same by removing the transform= attribute in the XML editor, if anyone ever needs this. Jon: >The transformations might be nice if we have a library of objects >and make instances of the object, and rather than changing the >original, transform the instance. That's what SVG use element is for. There is some support for it but it is incomplete. I'm seriously considering adding some simple UI for it in the next version because having a "Clone" and "Define symbol" command would be really cool and seems to not be excessively difficult to add. And yes, of course svg:use requires transform=, and it should still work in both modes - the "optimize" mode would just not optimize an svg:use object, leaving its transform= in place. >saving each transformation and having a dialogue/palette with >transformations or all transoforms: shape scaling, rotating, >twisting, and so forth, would be useful, to go back in time to an >earlier state on a shape. Unfortunately no, transform= as currently implemented does not give you a "history" of transformaions. It's always a single matrix and you can just remove _all_ transformations if you remove it. SVG allows you to write each transformation as a separate command to this attribute, but I think Inkscape does not support this. Robert: >I actually have a need for both "transform = " and "apply >transform" (I see no need for "remove transform"). I would prefer >that when I transform an object, I get a "transform = " and then >have the ability to apply that transform. OK, you can just work in the "preserve" mode. >Lets say I want to draw a regular hexagon. I will draw 3 >identical lines, rotate one 60, another -60, then apply the >transformations. The endpoints of these paths will give me the >control points to draw the hexagon. >From this example, however, I don't see why you need preserving transformations - if you apply them at once! This means you just want the rotate command (in the Transformation dialog, I suppose) to work in the "optimize" mode, i.e. apply the transformations for you. Or am I missing something? >In inkscape, currently, I combine paths to apply a transformation. >I'd really like to see an apply transform button. It's not difficult to add, however I think the first priority is to make sure that _all_ transformation commands work correctly in both optimize and preserve modes. Bob: >But if we ever get into the DOM scripting part of the SVG spec, we >would likely want to keep the original object + each of its >transformations. Like, say an object is rotated by angle theta, >then translated to a point x,y. Say we want to to animate it by >changing theta, thus rotating it, but leaving the translation >alone. Sure, this is where the preserve mode will be used. When we have animation, it will be necessary indeed. Herve: >Well, in fact, i think that te transform= attribute dedicate to a >group object or an object (instead of directly transforming the >d=) may (my opinion) want to act like proto in vrml (3D xml) you >import a proto from another file and transform it : that way when >you change the original proto-file, all transformation will apply >to that imported-proto-file-object. that transform possibility may >add a 'abstrac-implemented-object-stuff' as 'new' in POO > >It is (i supposed) the way "use" should be implemented. Yes, when you reference an external object as in svg:use, you can't do without a transform=, and this cannot be optimized (see above). Groups however are another matter. Currently Inkscape always adds transform= to a group when you move it. I want it instead to write it to each group member recursively (in optimize mode only, of course). Any comments on this particular change? _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Proposal: Consider CVS Provider Change
by bulia byak 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

>I had an interesting experience trying to move a project off >sourceforge: they refused to take the project pages down. Maybe it's not so bad? Just schedule an automatic daily copy of your "real" CVS to the SF CVS, and you have a free backup copy... _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin…

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RE: F1 => Help ? [was RE: [Inkscape-devel] RE: couple of functionality tweaks]
by bulia byak 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

>Windows users associate F1 with Help >and reaching for the Function keys is somewhat awkward, so I'd expect we >will need to change the keybinding. Oh please no!!! It's the key I use very often. I'm so spoiled by it that now I press it all the time when in Xara (and curse when it gives me help :) I don't know why but it's very convenient, maybe even more convenient than space (for me). And yes, it's non-standard, but it's borrowed from CorelDraw, and therefore has at least some legacy behind it. I'm against changing it in the default keybindings. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] new preview?
by bulia byak 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

>the best I was able to do was to verify that Microsoft Visio 2000 uses > >Shift+Wheel for sideways >and >Ctrl+Wheel for Zoom > >which matches what I asked for the HIG to say >http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/draft_hig_new/input.html#mouse-… Great, I committed the change to match this. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Prep for releasing Inkscape 0.37
by Bryce Harrington 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

Sounds like it's time to start in on getting the Inkscape 0.37 release process underway. There's been a lot of great effort from many people going into this release, and we're all looking forward to delivering 0.37 to the community. I read over the latest version of the release notes yesterday and am amazed at how much has been acheved, well beyond the planned objectives. The steps we need to take to do this release are the same as before. 1. First, there are a couple last code cleanup tasks that remain: We need to remove the #if 0 code, and we need volunteers for that. We need to finalize the code style guidelines, which basically means getting concensus on keeping tabs or converting tabs into 4-spaces. 2. Next we will declare feature freeze. Anyone working on features right now will need to either get them in by then, or delay/disable them until after the release, or move the work onto a branch. In addition to removing high priority bugs we need to ensure we haven't lost features (like grid snapping). 3. Once the tarball release is cut, I would like to see us take an organized approach to creating and testing the binary packages, so that they are consistently named and of high quality. I'll try to draw up a plan for this for us. 4. Lastly is to get word out about this release. We have tasks identified in the roadmap for doing this. A suitable goal would be to match the Sodipodi 0.32 page view and download numbers. I think we can do it if we put some organized effort into it; we've got a good product and a lot of people will be thrilled to get word about it.

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'HACKING' file updated
by Bryce Harrington 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

I've rewritten the old (Sodipodi) HACKING file to make it shorter and to briefly outline our development philosophy for those wanting to get involved in the future. I've enclosed it below for review. Bryce Contributing to Inkscape ------------------------ Inkscape welcomes your contributions to help turn it into a fully SVG-compliant drawing program for the Open Source community. While many developers work on fixing bugs and creating new features, it is worth strong emphasis that even non-programmers can help make Inkscape more powerful and successful. You probably already have an idea of something you'd like to work on. If not, here are just a few ways you can help: * Pick a bug, fix it, and send in a patch * Choose a feature you want to see developed, and make it * If you speak a language in addition to English, work on your language's i18n file in the po/ directory * Find a new bug and report it * Help answer questions for new Inkscapers on Jabber, IRC or the mailing lists * Write an article advocating Inkscape * Author a HOWTO describing a trick or technique you've figured out CVS Access ========== We give CVS access out to people with proven interest in helping develop the codebase. Proving your interest is straightforward: Make two contributions and request access. Patch Decisions =============== Our motto for changes to the codebase is "Patch first, ask questions later". When someone has an idea, rather than endlessly debating it, we encourage folks to go ahead and code something up (even prototypish). This is then incorporated into the development branch of the code for folks to try out, poke and prod, and tinker with. We figure, the best way to see if an idea fits is to try it on for size. Coding Style ============ Please refer to the Coding Style Guidelines if you have specific questions on the style to use for code. If reading style guidelines doesn't interest you, just follow the general style of the surrounding code, so that it is at least consistent.

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] RE: couple of functionality tweaks
by bulia byak 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

> > Perhaps this is a misunderstanding: It should deselect any selected >nodes > > (they must become all gray), but not deselect the shape itself (why >would > > you need that in node edit?) If you need to edit nodes of another shape, > > however, you can click on it, and it will be selected instead (i.e. the >old > > shape's nodes will disappear, and the new shape will show its nodes, > > initially deselected (gray)). > > >The reason you need to be able to click on the canvas to not see the >nodes is if the shape you are editing has many nodes and it becomes hard >to see the original shape or curve or whatever. Trust me, it is really >helpful to be able to deselect quickly by clicking on nothing (aka, the >canvas). In node edit, you're supposed to work on nodes, so naturally it displays nodes for you. Just press f1 or f3 or space if you want to "hide" nodes. Or open a new view where you can switch (ctrl-tab) for a quick look without any noise - this way you won't even lose your selected nodes when you switch back. These and more are all natural ways to do what you want, while deselecting _object_ in _node_ edit does not seem quite legal to me. On the other hand, I might program it so that on the first click it deselects any nodes, and on the second click, deselects the shape (hiding its nodes). However I'm reluctant to do this because this may lead to occasional unintended deselections that may be quite annoying. Anyone else has an opinion? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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glade/ -> icons/
by MenTaLguY 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

Just a quick heads-up that we've put renaming the glade/ directory to icons/ on the TODO, since it contains icons and no glade files. -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] RE: keyboard shortcuts + man page
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

>Right now I'm in favor of firing up a browser rather than the full help >system before the release. Yes, I too think it's the best approach in the short term. >You can be assured to get a browser on linux (mozilla), iexplore on >windows, and safari on OS X. I guess browser preference could be another >pref, which would be separate from the option of a open file for preview >pref. Yes, let it be a preference for now. >Any thoughts? When are we going to start the feature freeze? Maybe >WEDNESDAY/THURSDAY, prior to our next release? As for me, I'm already in the "freeze" and actively working on bugs. Bryce, do you think you will be able to provide at least some marker functionality for the release? Anyone else working on anything feature-wise at the moment? _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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clone example
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

Here's a simple example to give you an idea. Edit the bottom shape (drag, rotate, node-edit) and the top one will respond. As you see there is some support in the program already, but it's quite buggy. Hopefully it can be cleaned up and made usable. (You could help, too, given that you need it for your designs :) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] remove/apply transformations?
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

>Suppose I'm drawing a snowflake: >http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie/images/woodworking/snowflake_2c.jpg > >I only need to work on one branch of that snowflake, group the paths and >the others are copies of that branch that are rotated. It's the perfect case for svg:use (I propose to call it "clone" in the UI). You create clones, rotate/move them, then work on the shape of the original and all clones are updated automatically. If there are no showstoppers in the current svg:use support, I will try to make this possible for the next release. (Which means you won't need the "preserve" mode, after all - the clones would work the same in both modes.) >I wouldn't have to do things like this if inkscape had some CAD-like path >features such as: Connect path A to the midpoint of Path B; Clip path A at >it's intersection with path B; etc. I'm constantly making objects to >precisely find these points that I need. When I need to draw something with such constraints, I use KSEG (http://www.mit.edu/~ibaran/kseg.html). It's very nice and powerful, although you can't easily export its drawings into SVG :( >It consists of 5 copies of the same path that are rotated, but I had to >draw a lot of intermediary objects and paths to ensure that that one path >would be seamless when it was rotated and combined into the larger object. >It's the intermediary objects that I need to apply the transformations to. Exactly, this is where clones are badly needed. I always wanted to have them in my vector editor, but so far no application offered exactly that kind of feature. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] remove/apply transformations?
by Robert Crosbie 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

---8<---Snip--->8--- >>Lets say I want to draw a regular hexagon. I will draw 3 >>identical lines, rotate one 60, another -60, then apply the >>transformations. The endpoints of these paths will give me the >>control points to draw the hexagon. > >From this example, however, I don't see why you need preserving >transformations - if you apply them at once! This means you just >want the rotate command (in the Transformation dialog, I suppose) to >work in the "optimize" mode, i.e. apply the transformations for >you. Or am I missing something? In this particular case, optimize mode would work well, but I am actually constantly switching between the two. Suppose I'm drawing a snowflake: http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie/images/woodworking/snowflake_2c.jpg I only need to work on one branch of that snowflake, group the paths and the others are copies of that branch that are rotated. In this case I want to work in preserve mode because If I make a change to one of the branches, I can copy that change to the transformed groups. But suppose I want the side-branches to meet. I will then use my hexagon example above to find the point where side-branches intersect and use that as my endpoint. I usually want to optimize the transformations in jig objects that are used to find points for my preserved object. Does that make sense? I wouldn't have to do things like this if inkscape had some CAD-like path features such as: Connect path A to the midpoint of Path B; Clip path A at it's intersection with path B; etc. I'm constantly making objects to precisely find these points that I need. Check out this celtic knot: http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie/images/woodworking/plate5of3a.jpg It consists of 5 copies of the same path that are rotated, but I had to draw a lot of intermediary objects and paths to ensure that that one path would be seamless when it was rotated and combined into the larger object. It's the intermediary objects that I need to apply the transformations to. Cheers, Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] RE: couple of functionality tweaks
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

>Hey, wait a minute, actually I programmed this long ago - and it works for >me! Could you please describe in detail how it's not working? With a sample >file and step-by-step instructions? Perhaps this is a misunderstanding: It should deselect any selected nodes (they must become all gray), but not deselect the shape itself (why would you need that in node edit?) If you need to edit nodes of another shape, however, you can click on it, and it will be selected instead (i.e. the old shape's nodes will disappear, and the new shape will show its nodes, initially deselected (gray)). _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin…

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RE: couple of functionality tweaks
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

>While I was editing a shape using the node-select tool, I tried to >deselect the shape by clicking on the canvas, which is kinda standard >practice, and the shape was still selected (ie, the nodes were active). >When one is using the node edit tool and they click on open space, all >nodes should be deselected. > >I'm putting an RFE in on this one, but I figured it might be a simple >change. >https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=884979&group_id=9… Hey, wait a minute, actually I programmed this long ago - and it works for me! Could you please describe in detail how it's not working? With a sample file and step-by-step instructions? Anyone else having problems with this? _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] RE: keyboard shortcuts + man page
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

>Take a look at 'ScrollKeeper': http://scrollkeeper.sourceforge.net/ What is involved in adding SK support? Can we do this quickly, for the shortcuts page only, before the release? If not, I would still much prefer to have a web browser fired as an interim solution, because easy access to the shortcuts page is critical for users. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] remove/apply transformations?
by Robert Crosbie 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

I actually have a need for both "transform = " and "apply transform" (I see no need for "remove transform"). I would prefer that when I transform an object, I get a "transform = " and then have the ability to apply that transform. Lets say I want to draw a regular hexagon. I will draw 3 identical lines, rotate one 60, another -60, then apply the transformations. The endpoints of these paths will give me the control points to draw the hexagon. This is a simplified example, but I do things like this a lot to get accurate points. In inkscape, currently, I combine paths to apply a transformation. I'd really like to see an apply transform button. Rob. http://members.rogers.com/rcrosbie >From: "bulia byak" <archiver_1@...19...> >To: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >Subject: [Inkscape-devel] remove/apply transformations? >Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:08:38 +0000 > >Another confusing concept. SVG allows to store transformations (moves, >rotates, etc) both "natively" (in the object's own coordinates) and as a >transform= attribute that is applied "after the fact". Of the many commands >that move/rotate objects, some (most) write the new coordinates directly >into the object, but some just add a transform= attribute without changing >anything else in the object. I see no apparent logic behind this difference >in behavior. > >Now, the "remove transformations" command simply erases the transform= >attribute if it is present. Recent Sodipodi adds "apply transformations" >which writes the transform= into the object and then removes it (i.e. no >visible change). I think this mess is very confusing and serves no useful >purpose. To an artist, "remove transformations" works as a weird sort of >undo whose results are generally unpredictable, and "apply transformations" >does nothing at all. So I propose: > >- remove the "remove transformations" command. > >- fix the remaining commands that add transform= so that they always >"apply" their transformations to the objects at once. (In particular, >scaling a text object must affect its font size; transforming a group must >write transformations into the group's members instead of adding transform= >to the entire group.) > >I may have missed something, so please argue. > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms… > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 >Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration >See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. >http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn >_______________________________________________ >Inkscape-devel mailing list >Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] new preview?
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

>If this functionality is in fact "Preview in Browser" then it is certainly >confusing which makes it useless in its current state but I think with >minor changes it could be made genuinely useful. Good idea to make this command an "External preview". Just store a command line with options in prefs, and when a preview is requested, save the current file and run the command on it. This seems to be similar to the task of running an external browser for help files - therefore, Jon, what would you say if I ask you to add this to your TODO? Right now, however, the "preview" is done by Inkscape itself, and is therefore useless. So I'm removing this command for now, until we have an external preview functionality. Alan, can you say your word on the most HIG-compliant set of scrollwheel modifiers? As I wrote some time ago: We have this item in the roadmap: * Decide on mouse scrollwheel modifiers [everyone, see mailing list archives] So, once you raised the issue, could you please review the current wheel behaviors: # Mouse wheel scroll canvas vertically # Ctrl + Mouse wheel scroll canvas horizontally # Shift + Mouse wheel zoom in or out and propose a change to conform to HIG, but without losing any of the three functions. After you publish your proposal here, if no one objects, I will code it. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] news + features
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

>Are there any more announcements? I add most features/fixes I do to the release notes. Review the release notes to see if there's anything that you like that wasn't on the front page yet. (And add anything missing to the release notes as well.) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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new preview?
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

Anyone would object if I remove this command? What it does is basically runs an SVG viewer on the current file. The idea behind this is unclear to me. If you want a parallel view of your file, "New view" would be just fine. So I think "New preview" is confusing and useless. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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news + features
by Jonathan Phillips 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

Does anyone have any news/announcements that they would like on the main page. I'm going to add prior to our release: - inkscape-user mailing list announcement Are there any more announcements? Jon -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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remove/apply transformations?
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

Another confusing concept. SVG allows to store transformations (moves, rotates, etc) both "natively" (in the object's own coordinates) and as a transform= attribute that is applied "after the fact". Of the many commands that move/rotate objects, some (most) write the new coordinates directly into the object, but some just add a transform= attribute without changing anything else in the object. I see no apparent logic behind this difference in behavior. Now, the "remove transformations" command simply erases the transform= attribute if it is present. Recent Sodipodi adds "apply transformations" which writes the transform= into the object and then removes it (i.e. no visible change). I think this mess is very confusing and serves no useful purpose. To an artist, "remove transformations" works as a weird sort of undo whose results are generally unpredictable, and "apply transformations" does nothing at all. So I propose: - remove the "remove transformations" command. - fix the remaining commands that add transform= so that they always "apply" their transformations to the objects at once. (In particular, scaling a text object must affect its font size; transforming a group must write transformations into the group's members instead of adding transform= to the entire group.) I may have missed something, so please argue. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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[Fwd: [Sodipodi-list] Writing SVG code for editing with Sodipodi]
by Jonathan Phillips 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

Looks like the UNITS problem! Arg! It seems like there are all these containers of ideas and badly implemented ideas that are TODO that still hang over us still in INKSCAPE. I say we evaluate, disable, and remove any of this unimplemented or crappy code from the project. It will probably make our life easier in the long run. The units problem is horrible. Our printing system and export system are pretty bad too. ARG! Jon -----Forwarded Message----- From: Pierre Abbat <phma@...177...> To: sodipodi-list(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Sodipodi-list] Writing SVG code for editing with Sodipodi Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:22:47 -0500 I wrote a two-line program that generated a lemniscate and pasted the code into a <path> element in a Sodipodi file. Since the width and height are in millimeters I thought the coordinates would be in millimeters. They weren't. The lemniscate was too small. I then edited it so that it looked like M-87.4619707139396mm 42.4024048078213mm M-88.2947592858927mm 41.4518786277521mm M-89.1006524188368mm 40.4508497187474mm and tried again. The lemniscate went flat. I removed the millimeters and scaled it and put it in the middle of the 300*300mm square. The center is now at 531.4961,531.4961. What unit is Sodipodi using, and how do I tell it that the coordinates are in millimeters? phma -- Jonathan Phillips <jon@...15...>

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export background
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

Now the page color, settable in the document options dialog and saved with the document, is also used as the background color when exporting anything from this document. By default this color is white and 100% transparent, so the default export has transparent background as before. However you can set it e.g. to white 0% transparent and have white background in PNG without having to add any background objects. For this to be possible I added inkscape:pageopacity attribute to the namedview. Now the page color is split into the pagecolor and inkscape:pageopacity attributes - ugly but at least partially compatible with Sodipodi. By the way, Sodipodi now has an extra color picker right on the Export dialog for the same purpose (setting background color for export). I think simply using page color is more natural and convenient. Especially given that, in the typical Sodipodi fashion, that picker's color is not saved/restored anywhere... I'm also thinking about saving export dpi in the namedview as well, so that each document would remember its last dpi setting. I think it's logical. Other improvements today: font list in the text dialog is autoscrolled to always show selected font; text object description shows font in the statusbar; currentColor and userSpaceOnUse fixes ported from Sodipodi; and many other bugfixes. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi…

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Proposal: "inkscape-user@" mailing list
by Bryce Harrington 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

For the purposes of assisting users following the 0.37 release, we should create an inkscape-user@ mailing list at this time. The purpose of this list would be to serve as a place for users to share tips and tricks and help each other learn how to make effective use of the tool. Having a place to build a user community will be adventageous, as many users may find devel lists overwhelming. If this sounds good, I'll set it up, and we can push membership in it as part of the 0.37 announce. Bryce

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Win32 - Bug in Markers?
by bulia byak 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

>Can someone check please? > >The line markers are not working with the freehand line or bezier curve >tools. I get the messages 'start_marker' marker is '<nil>', >'mid_marker'...... and 'end_marker'........is nil, as soon as I start. The >end cap choices are working. For me, nothing works at all in today's CVS. When I click any marker button, Inkscape crashes. >This is the first time I have used this so I do not know if it is recent >behaviour. Yes, I think Bryce added it recently. I hope it gets resolved for the release. Are the preferences problems resolved? I recently tested it on Windows 98 and it seems to work OK. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms…

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Inkscape on Windows
by Ryan Pavlik 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

Hello developers! I am not a member of the list, I just sent this in to alert you of a potential installer problem. I have GTK 2.2.4-2 (from the Gimp web site) installed, which is the official version for Windows. However, when I try to install Inkscape, it quits the installer, asking me to install GTK2. I will continue to try to override this setting in the installer, as the official GTK should work fine... Ryan (any replies please copy to me, since I am off list)

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sodipodi:type namespace
by MenTaLguY 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

I realized one other place where we need to be careful about not polluting sodipodi's namespace -- sodipodi:type. Currently, we only have one "type" of our own, SPOffset, but we can expect to add more. I think the best way to approach this is to prefix any types we introduce ourselves with inkscape: -- e.g. now the sodipodi:type for SPOffset will be "inkscape:offset". I think it's important we get these issues sorted out before the release. As a result, I've changed the sodipodi:type used in HEAD -- if you have existing documents using SPOffsets, you'll need to fix their sodipodi:type from the XML editor. -mental

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backups
by bulia byak 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

To fix this: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=866103&group_id=9… I want to back up the old prefs file before writing the new one. Adding an option to backup SVG files when saving would be great, too. There's a library here: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnulib/ that has this functionality and claims to be portable. So what do we do? - include gnulib as a dependency - lift just backupfile.c and copy-file.c from it and include in our codebase - find some other lib - write the backup function ourselves Any comments? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin…

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