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Re: [Inkscape-devel] DXF import
by John Taber 09 Apr '05

09 Apr '05

Are there any plans for a DXF import ? Right now I have to open a DXF in Open Office Draw, save as SVG, then import into Inkscape. Too bad OO is not GPL otherwise could just take that code module and stick into Inkscape, but maybe there are others.

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Allowed INX param types
by unknown＠example.com 09 Apr '05

09 Apr '05

I was wondering. What are all of the possible param types that can be passed to scripts? I'm wondering specifically if it is possible to specify quoted strings and one of a set of enumerated value. Aaron Spike http://www.ekips.org/comp/inkscape/wavy.php

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NEW: Load from URL
by Bryce Harrington 08 Apr '05

08 Apr '05

As a configure-time option, Inkscape now supports loading SVG's from a remote URL via HTTP. This is implemented using the GNOME VFS library. This is a library that Inkscape has not had a dependency on previously, so it's implemented as an optional dependency that is controlled during configuration via the --with-gnome-vfs flag. In other words: $ ./configure --with-gnome-vfs $ make $ src/inkscape http://openclipart.org/clipart//animals/bugs/butterfly_jonathan_dietr_01.svg The file is loaded into memory and parsed directly, rather than saving to a temporary file, so it loads pretty fast. Enjoy, Bryce

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Scripting
by unknown＠example.com 08 Apr '05

08 Apr '05

aaron@...749... wrote: > ted@...11... wrote: > >> This is really nice. Aaron, one thing that we'd talked about in the >> past is starting to move twoards having a seperate package of scripts, >> to remove some dependencies from the base Inkscape package. So, you'd >> have "inkscape.rpm" and "inkscape-scripts-python.rpm" that you'd >> install (if you wanted). >> >> As someone who is starting to write more scripts, do you have thoughts >> on this? Would you perhaps want to start such a package? Do any of >> the packagers out there have any thoughts? > > I'd love to start a package, but I'm sure I wouldn't have a clue. I > thought I read somewhere that Inkscape was leaning toward a CPAN-like > setup perhaps an XML-RPC service. In some ways I think distributing a > package of extensions doesn't fit well with the cause. Thinking about how scripts should be distributed reminded me of a question I wanted to as a few days ago. Should there be or is there a search path for extensions? Could I for instance install my custom effect scripts and thier *.inx files into ~/.inkscape/extensions ? Aaron Spike

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Effect errors
by unknown＠example.com 08 Apr '05

08 Apr '05

I often write effects in Python that raise an exception, and therefore send no output to STDOUT. Inkscape responds with: Extension::Script: Unknown error for pclose : Success /tmp/ink_ext_qL04b1:1: parser error : Document is empty ^ /tmp/ink_ext_qL04b1:1: parser error : Start tag expected, '<' not found ^ ** (inkscape:6769): CRITICAL **: virtual void Inkscape::Extension::Implementation::Script::effect(Inkscape::Extension::Effect*, SPView*): assertion `mydoc != NULL' failed Is that just a healthy warning? I also notice on occasion (though I can not reproduce it on command yet) that I experience a crash soon afterward. So my question: Could stderr generated by scripts be captured into a gui window? This is of course unnecessary because, I can always run inkscape from the command line for debugging. But I thought the information might help users track down dependencies. Aaron Spike

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Basepoint of objects
by Craig Bradney 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

Hi Just wondering if theres any plans to implement the ability to change the basepoint of an object. I just submitted 1178771 for this. It'd be really nice to be able to change the position or rotation based on all of the corners and centre, and perhaps midpoints of the sides of an object. Please refer to Scribus' Properties Palette for an example if its interesting to Inkscape. Craig Scribus Team

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Basepoint of objects
by Craig Bradney 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

On Thursday 07 April 2005 22:41, bulia byak wrote: > On Apr 7, 2005 4:48 PM, Craig Bradney <cbradney@...242...> wrote: > > Basepoint = Top left, bottom right, centre etc of what would be the > > bounding box of an object. > > So we just need to make the centerpoint snap to these points (and to > grid and guides too). I was always going to do that. > > > A) Its not convenient to move the rotation center for every single object > > you pick up > > Why would you need a uniform location for more than one object at > once? Can you give a usage scenario? > > > B) The rotation centre is not obvious in all modes > > It's visible in those modes which it affects. Yes, I see now that the rotation value doesnt seem to be shown anywhere after rotation is done, which is why it may not apply to Inkscape (/SVG) in this instance. Or have I missed where this is stored too? :) > > C) Is there a way to accurately set the rotation centre to the TL, TR, > > BL, BR and C of the bounding box? > > Yes, once snapping is done. > > > Perhaps I've missed an easy way to say, eg, set a frame 100 units from > > the right of a page, or from another object. > > Ah, you mean you want the X/Y values in the selector controls to be > switchable to different corners of bbox? That might make sense, with a > small grid of toggle buttons to choose one of the corners or mid-sides > or the center. Yes.. thats basically it. In Scribus it is also used for the rotation centre. Craig

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Scripting
by unknown＠example.com 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

Sorry I don't know enough about the subject to formulate more proper questions. I'm interested in learning more about the python scripting support. I realize it is a ways down on the roadmap still, but occasionally I hear a bit about it. Is there anything in CVS that I can try or anything I can read to learn more and watch it develop? Aaron Spike

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inx files
by unknown＠example.com 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

I have read through most of the inx files in the extensions directory and I have created a few myself. I would like to learn whatever else there is to know about inx files. Who should I ask? Where should I look (in which source files)? Today I am wondering specifically about the param elements as seen in grid.inx. When I see the param element I expect two things. That there will be a gui facility for a user to change those values. And that those values will be passed to my script. When I tried neither happened. I think I've heard some chatter about the gui not being finished. But I was surprised that the values weren't passed on the command line. Am I at least in the ballpark with how this will work? Aaron Spike

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Re: [Inkscape-user] some pdf creation info
by Erik 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

Craig, I have used the pdf printer route with Inkscape numerous times but have always been a bit disappointed. I tried again this evening using a recent cvs with a test file containing a rectangle (+radial gradient) +star (+linear gradient) + spiral +some text. While this is hardly of mind shattering complexity there was an awful lot of huffing and puffing. Saved as svg the file size was 6KB. Saved as pdf the file size was 959KB. then I changed the gradients to uniform grey. Saved as pdf the file size was still 575KB. Some observations. I am using the PrimoPDF driver as downloaded, and saving in Screen mode. Win2000 and PentiumIII933. The saving takes ages - as in a couple of minutes. However, once it gets there the pdf contains the colour and the gradients. I remember trying transparency as well some time ago and that was ok too. The line quality onscreen is pretty bad but improves with magnification up until the jaggies come in. The slow speed and large file sizes are definitely a concern. I have not looked at what a "realistic" file would be like in terms of time. But if a svg file of say 60KB produced a pdf file of 10MB then I would doubt its use! Having said that, I must admit there are lots of issues with PDFs and even a very fast program such as Xarax. There the gradients/transparencies/other special effects are often changed into bitmaps and produce huge files. Interestingly, exchanging gradients for say 20% grey in Xarax brings the file size back down to sensible figures. We do not seem to have quite got there yet. Xarax also does not seem to suffer the time problems that Inkscape does. However, we know there are time problems and have done for some time. Maybe at this stage we should be thankful that we can get pdfs in this way at all. There are also many PDF printer solutions out there. It would be good for someone to look at a few of them and find out which is the most efficient at this stage. Certainly pdf capability is a limiting factor in my use of Inkscape at present. Erik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Gotthardt" <craig2b@...782...> To: "'InkScape-Users'" <inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:54 PM Subject: [Inkscape-user] some pdf creation info > > I have found that on xp (0.41.win.exe) CutePDF works to create a basic pdf > directly from inkcsape. It installs as a printer. > NOTE: ("dependency") needs Ghostscript to convert. > I dont know about linux? But Im sure theres something out there to use. > http://www.cutepdf.com/products/CutePDF/writer.asp > > Craig

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Re: [Inkscape-user] 0.41 autopackage - missing dependencies
by unknown＠example.com 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

Quoting Bryce Harrington <bryce@...260...>: > I think it would be invaluable for 0.42 that this whole > approach should be rethought and reimplemented in a clearer way. Not just invaluable but mandatory, IMO. It's been a usability disaster. -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-user] icon theming
by MenTaLguY 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

> My 16x16px icon got scaled down to about 10px in the toolbar. What's the magic here? I would like to be able to tell you why the icons are the size they are, but the icon drawing code we inherited from Sodipodi is scary and nobody quite understands it... :P I'll CC the devel list in case perhaps the gtkmmification team has made any breakthroughs studying and/or rewriting that code. -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-user] autosave ?
by MenTaLguY 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 18:04, Florent wrote: > So I'm appealing to anyone who can create an autosave :-) We already have autosave-on-crash already, actually. The one catch is that for crashes due to failed assertions (like this one), it isn't triggered yet. (I'm CCing the development mailing list, if anyone's interested in attacking this right now: At least on Unix, this is relatively easy to fix -- just set up a SIGABRT handler similar to the SIGSEGV handler we have now. The one catch is that the handler will need to disable itself as soon as it is triggered, because the autosave code raises SIGABRT when it is done. Also we should make sure we've got SIGBUS covered if we don't already.) -mental

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New dialog/panel junk
by Jon A. Cruz 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

I've started a bit of stuff on my "Panels" replacement for subclassing dialogs. It's on the Wiki, linked under "User Interface Discussion" http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DialogReplacement Bulia, see? I have a plan. :-)

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Gristle down?
by Bob Jamison 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

Is it just me, or is Gristle.org down? (Normally I wouldn't post something like this, but I can't get onto irc.freenode.net to check) Bob

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Absurd stack bottom value\n inkscape v0.41
by jerry ondola 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

the subject line is what is recieved after attempting to run inkscape 0.41 from the command line. using the gui interface, it quitely dies, no error messages. this is on gentoo. i've filed bug report #1176668, this happens with the CVS version and the emerge version. there where no other errors reported with or during the emerge. any other troubleshooting that i can do before dumping this version and going back to 0.37, which works fine ? thanks for the suggestions jerry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com

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New features in Illustrator
by Joshua A. Andler 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

Just thought I'd throw the link on the list so you can all see what they're up to... http://www.adobe.com/products/illustrator/newfeatures.html Boy does that "Control Palette" look awfully familiar. ; ) (yeah, I know Xara had it first, but still... goes to show how they're playing catch-up in some areas) The Live Painting and Enhanced Stroke options look interesting... I question how much better their new "live tracing" is, compared to their old tracing engine (as it is supposedly much better). The rest of the "new features" don't look too interesting to me (other than the custom workspaces, which might be handy... but it's something only a fringe crowd would benefit from). Just figured I'd see what others opinions were. -Josh

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Palette loading
by Jon A. Cruz 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

I got palette loading in last night. It now looks in the /usr/local/share/inkscape/palettes and ~/.inkscape/palettes directories for any Gimp-style palette files and loads them all up. Of course... that was just loading. :-) I'll check in soon to add UI changes to allow switching the palette displayed in the swatches window.

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undo crash
by bulia byak 04 Apr '05

04 Apr '05

Mental, I had to revert document-undo.cpp to 1.21 because your version crashes on any attempt to undo with: ** ERROR **: file xml/simple-session.cpp: line 45 (virtual Inkscape::XML::Event* Inkscape::XML::SimpleSession::commitUndoable()): assertion failed: (_in_transaction) aborting... Sorry I didn't discover this yesterday, was too busy with other things. But please do be more careful with testing before committing.

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Open Clip Art Library Release 0.12 Announcement
by Jon Phillips 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

Open Clip Art Library Release 0.12 Announcement April 1, 2005 UTC — Release 0.12 of the Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) is now available for download on-line as an individual package consisting of over 3100 images submitted by over 200 artists from around the world. This release also helps us celebrate our first year as a project and provides foreshadowing as to what the rest of this year will bring. Highlights from this release include: * Several previous submissions have been re-converted from their original WMF format using Stephen Silver's new wmftosvg converter * Updated keyword search tool on the website * New imagery related to the March theme of "Spring" During the month of March we received around 200 new images thanks to our many contributors. With everything from flowers to a much improved collection of vehicles, to more food imagery, the community is putting out another great Open Clip Art Library release. In April, we are encouraging people to submit imagery related to "Birthdays." Please share your vector graphics at the Open Clip Art Library. Use the following URLs to download the latest release of the Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org/downloads/0.12/openclipart-0.12.tar.bz2 http://www.openclipart.org/downloads/0.12/openclipart-0.12.tar.gz http://www.openclipart.org/downloads/0.12/openclipart-0.12.zip http://www.openclipart.org/downloads/0.12/openclipart-tools.zip The Open Clip Art Library (http://www.openclipart.org/) aims to create an archive of clip art that can be used freely for any use. All graphics submitted to the project are placed into the Public Domain according to the Creative Commons Public Domain Declaration.

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remembering window size in config
by Artemio 02 Apr '05

02 Apr '05

Hello all! I indeed know that it's possible to store window geometry in the .svg files, but now I have this feature turned off. It comes out not really useful in sutuations like described below. What if I want Inkscape to always start maximised, but my friend whom I share my works with wants his Inkscape to start not maximised but with a given window size? All apps I know remember minimised/maximised status and geometry in their configs. Is it possible to be added to Inkscape too, or this is not something you consider needed? Thanks! Artemio.

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NEW: snapping improvements
by bulia byak 02 Apr '05

02 Apr '05

- When several objects (or a group) are selected and the "snap points" mode is active, only the outermost points or nodes will snap, instead of all points in selection. [patch by Eric Jonas] - In the "snap points" mode, a text object will snap its baseline anchor (the left end of the baseline) to grid or guides. That anchor point is visualized as a little square mark when a text object is selected.

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Rotation anchor point & Inset/Outset functionality
by Joshua A. Andler 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

I'll probably be told to file and RFE, but... Is there by chance an option that I don't know of so that Inkscape can remember where you've moved the "anchor" or center of rotation for an object for future use? As far as I know, currently when you move that little + ("anchor") to some other position, when you switch to move mode and then back to rotation mode, the "anchor" is centered on the object again. It would be helpful for going back to edit objects between sessions of work (and even within the same one), if it could remember where you last had it. One thing that would be helpful either way though is for you to be able to do our new favorite "ctrl+click" on the anchor to get it back to the center of the object again. (yes I know it's easy and I can switch selector modes and go back and it's back in the center, but not switching tools is even easier than that) And this ties into a thought I had about Inset/Outset... would it be possible to have those functions "weighted"? Basically by using that "anchor" like for rotation, it could possibly pull the inset offset in a different direction other than purely centered. I guess the equivalent for how it would function would almost be like on radial gradients how you can pull the center to some other location and it "weights" the coloring. I know that the inset/outset stuff currently is a fixed amount so it will probably not work, but it was just a thought. I'm sure that once we also have the object transform (from one shape to another) that will probably handle what I'm looking for too though. -Josh

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NEW: baseline align & distribute
by bulia byak 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

Improvements in Align & Distribute dialog: o The new Unclump button works the same as in the Tile Clones dialog, except that it unclumps the selected objects instead of the tiled clones of the selected object. o Four new buttons let you align or distribute horizontally or vertically the baseline anchors of the selected text objects (non-texts are unaffected by these buttons). A text object's baseline anchor is the left end of its first character's baseline, visualized as a small square mark when the text is selected. Now you can easily align or distribute lines of text in different fonts or sizes, regardless of whether they have letters with extenders (such as 'y' or 'j') or not. o All the icons in the dialog are redrawn in a consistent style. Buttons are rearranged for clarity. Tooltips are made shorter and easier to understand. Also, Simarilius is planning to move his "Grid arrange" dialog as a second tab to the Align & Distribute dialog.

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BOOST okay?
by Jason Dusek 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

I would like to work on Inkscape, and I'd like to use BOOST ==================================== http://www.boost.org/ ==================================== for things like smart_pointers, numeric stuff and the like. is that okay? is it a problem to make inkscape depend on BOOST? -- _jason

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Strange transparency behaviour opening old files
by Lucas Vieites 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

Hi, I'm currently using Inkscape 0.41 and when I open up old files, created with 0.39, all the objects that have a gradient fill appear with the correct gradient, but with transparency. I'm attaching an svg file and a png I exported when I created the original, so you can see the difference. Cheers, -- Lucas Vieites Fariña Asix Informática <info@...212...> http://www.asixinformatica.com/ Tel/Fax: +34 986 54 26 98

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Icon theme
by Jean-François Lemaire 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

Hello, I just commited share/icons/David_icons.svg and share/icons/README.icons They are not installed when I update and make install but I suppose something has to be done for those files to be installed? No idea what, however. Jef

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Extension errors
by Mike Hearn 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

Hi, Currently Inkscape seems to store a list of extensions it's seen before somewhere, I am not sure where. This causes problems for people who use the autopackages because if they have installed Inkscape before from say apt-get, they probably pulled in various apps along with it like Dia etc and also the plugins. They then install the autopackage and these extensions disappear and now Inkscape gives them an error whenever they start. I don't think having an extension be removed is really an error, could this behaviour be changed? It's already a preference to not show these logs at startup, maybe it could just default to off? Also I'm afraid I spotted a stupid bug in the specfile, it was not installing any extensions at all. So here is the 3rd revision of the 0.41 autopackage <sigh>: http://navi.cx/~mike/inkscape/inkscape-0.41-3.x86.package Could it be uploaded to SourceForge and the website changed please? Apologies for the inconvenience. This sort of dumb mistake does remind me why I recommend to others that developers should package their own stuff (a rule I ignored for Inkscape because I needed testing :). I would love for an Inkscape developer - ie somebody who *really* understands this software - to take over maintenance of the autopackages, even if I continue to do the nightly builds. If nobody is up for it then no matter, I will carry on with it. But I think users would have higher quality packages if a dedicated Inkscape developer were to do it. To give people a taste of what is involved, I pasted the specfile I'm using below. The build system isn't complicated at all. Enhancing the packages would involve doing things like making the gtkspell dependency optional at runtime so it could be enabled, and so on. thanks -mike [Meta] RootName: @inkscape.org/inkscape:$SOFTWAREVERSION ShortName: inkscape DisplayName: Inkscape Vector Graphics Editor Summary: Inkscape is an open source SVG editor with capabilities similar to Illustrator, CorelDraw and Visio SoftwareVersion: @VERSION@ Maintainer: The Inkscape team <inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net> Packager: Mike Hearn <mike@...333...> PackageVersion: 3 AutopackageTarget: 1.0 [Description] Inkscape is an open source SVG editor with capabilities similar to Illustrator, CorelDraw, Visio, etc. Supported SVG features include basic shapes, paths, text, alpha blending, transforms, gradients, node editing, svg-to-png export, grouping, and more. [BuildPrepare] if [ ! -x configure ]; then ./autogen.sh fi export APBUILD_STATIC="popt=$source_dir/autopackage/libpopt.a gc gccpp" export LDFLAGS="-L/home/mike/static/lib" export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/home/mike/static/lib/pkgconfig prepareBuild --enable-binreloc [BuildUnprepare] unprepareBuild [Imports] echo '*' | import # import everything [Prepare] require @gnu.org/libstdc++ 3 require @xmlsoft.org/libxml2 2.6 require @xmlsoft.org/libxslt 1.0 require @gtk.org/gtk 2.4 # statically linked for now: require @rpm.org/popt 0.0 # statically linked: require @libsigc.sourceforge.net/libsigc 3 require @libpng.org/libpng 3 # statically linked: require @gtkmm.org/gtkmm2 3 require @zlib.org/zlib 1 [Install] installExe bin/inkscape bin/inkview installMan 1 man/man1/* installIcon share/pixmaps/inkscape.png installDesktop "Graphics" share/applications/inkscape.desktop copyFiles --nobackup share/locale $PREFIX/share copyFiles share/inkscape $PREFIX/share copyFiles lib/inkscape $PREFIX/lib [Uninstall] uninstallFromLog

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User levels, post editing, and such
by Jonathan Leighton 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

Okay, I had a look at the WordPress we have running on the site today, and discovered that users of the same level cannot edit each other's posts. Personally, I think it would be good if they could because then we could all help each other in terms of spell checks, tweaks, etc -- which would hopefully result in higher quality posts. Apparently, according to those in the know about such things, prior to WordPress 1.5, people were complaining because people with the same user level *could* edit each other's posts, so they changed it like it is now. However, I am also told that a plugin could be written to change this behaviour back. Before plunging in and trying to do so, I thought I'd better check that such behaviour is desirable. If so, I'd only make it possible for the devs, who have had their user level raised, because we wouldn't want people submitting drafts that can be edited by anyone with an account. On this note, I'd just like to explain one thing: I chose a user level of 5 for developers because if you go any higher, you start getting into configuration options and stuff -- I didn't want to over-complicate things, and I'm really the only person who needs to worry about configuration. For a full explanation of what the different user levels do, have a look here: http://codex.wordpress.org/User_Levels. If anyone objects to my decision of the default developer user level, do feel free to say so. Jon -- Jonathan Leighton aka. Turnip http://turnipspatch.com/ | http://digital-proof.org/

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Parser warning
by Jean-François Lemaire 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

Hello, Thanks to Bulya I just noticed that if I create a gradient, the following line: xmlns:xlink="&#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38; #38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38; #38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;ns_xlink;" gets added at the beginning of the file, around line 8 or 9, and when I open this file in Inkscape I get the following parser warning: /home/jfl/x.svg:9: parser warning : xmlns:xlink: '&#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38; #38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38; #38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;ns_xlink;' is not a valid URI 38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38; ns_xlink; ^ What is that? Jef

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Documentation Brainstorming for Shape Controls
by Kevin Wixson 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

Inkscape has wonderful capabilities, among them, the ability to edit basic shapes after they've been initially created via the various shape tools stands out. There isn't, as far as I can tell, any consistent or particularly descriptive way of talking about these capabilities presently in use. I need some help coming up with a clever and descriptive name for the ability to edit shapes (polygon, rectangle, ellipse, spiral) with their respective tools (and the Tool Controls bar). "Shape Control" doesn't quite cut it, imo. Just looking for some brainstorming on this, so please throw out some suggestions. Thanks, -Kevin

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keys.xml and "# toggle grid and snapping to grid"
by Luca Bruno 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

Hi all, I'm translating keys.svg in Italian. I've found that the shortcut for "toggle grid and snapping to grid" is the #, which from the document seems to be mapped on Shift+3... On the italian layout it's mapped only to AltGr+à (yes, strange key :), while on Shift+3 we have "£"... No other shotcut use AltGr combination, so I ask if is possible to change this shortcut to something more natural for us. Thanks, Luc@ P.S. the translation is not yet finished, but i've attached my work so far, for the inclusion in CVS. I'm working on keys.xml, I'm right? I've found also keys.fr.xml, but I cannot find a makefile entry for it... How does it work? -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Luca Bruno : :' : The Universal O.S. | luca.br(AT)uno.it `. `'` | GPG Key ID: 3BFB9FB3 on keyserver.linux.it `- http://www.debian.org | Proud Debian GNU/Linux User -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Calzature moda sport. Da Oliviero.it le ultime novità autunno-inverno 2004/2005: Nike, Puma, Adidas.... * Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid(46&d)-3

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NEW: more clonetiler fun: color, tracing, unclumping
by bulia byak 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

There's quite a lot of new stuff to announce - if you don't feel like reading all this, just scroll down for screenshot links :) "Tile Clones" dialog improvements: - The new Color tab allows you to change, randomize, or alternate the hue, saturation, and lightness of the tile color per row or per column. You can also set the initial color of the tiles to which these alterations will apply. Changing color works only if the clones' original (or some parts of it, if the original is a group) has unset fill or stroke (use the Fill&Stroke dialog to unset paint). http://inkscape.org/screenshots/gallery/inkscape-0.42-CVS-tiles-color.png Note the new HSL color sliders (replacing the old HSV). - The new Tracing tab allows you to trace the drawing under the tiling. You can set it to pick color, opacity, or any or the RGB or HLS channels in the area covered by each tile; then optionally randomize, invert, or gamma-correct the picked value; and finally apply that value to the tile's probability of presence, size, color, or opacity (or any combinations of these). This makes it possible to do an infinite amount of effects on drawings (both vector drawings and imported bitmaps), such as tesselated mosaics, "impressionist paint", geometric grids, color separation lattices, and more. You can also easily control the extent and the density of your tiling by preparing a temporary shape and tracing opacity-to-presence over it, or you can "paint over" a stroke with a pattern or randomized scattering. http://inkscape.org/screenshots/gallery/inkscape-0.42-CVS-trace-color.png http://inkscape.org/screenshots/gallery/inkscape-0.42-CVS-trace-objects.png If the original tile is a group, you can unset paint on some objects on the group while others (e.g. highlights or shadows) will retain their original colors, unaffected by trace coloring. - The new Unclump button attempts to reduce local unevenness in distribution of the tiles. When you unclump a tiling, each tile tries to move to a point equidistant from its closest neighbors. If a single unclumping is not enough, you can press Unclump repeatedly, trying to achieve a balance between eliminating small-scale clumps and preserving large-scale features of the tiling. Unclumping works equally well on both randomized and regular tilings, changing them both into a characteristic texture which appears random, but not blindly random - very similar to what a human would produce if asked to evenly fill a space with random dots. As a result, properly unclumped dot tilings remind of hand-made engravings. http://inkscape.org/screenshots/gallery/inkscape-0.42-CVS-tiles-unclump.png Notice how the contrast and detailedness of the dot pattern improve as you apply unclumping repeatedly (top right) - even though unclumping is unaware of the background image that was traced by the tiling, it seems to bring out more image details that were "hidden" in the random scattering. You can also apply unclumping to regular tilings, converting them from "newspaper print" to "old engraving" (bottom right). - On all tabs, controls have been rearranged into a table-like layout for more convenient access. Separate controls are added for alternating values per row or per column, as well as for randomizing each value separately (e.g. now you can randomize only the horizontal shifts but not vertical). - The new Exponent values on the Shift tab allow you to make rows or columns to exponentially converge (for values less than 1) or diverge (for values greater than 1). The default of 1 creates rows and columns spaced evenly. - The upper limits for scales and shifts are increased (from 100% to 1000% of tile size), and the precision of the input fields is higher. - There's a mini-statusbar at the bottom of dialog which shows the number of tiled clones of the selected object.

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David Christian Berg's icon theme
by Jean-François Lemaire 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

Hello, David Christian Berg told me recently that he won't have time to finish is icon theme in the near future, but since his theme is complete enough for me, I suggest that it should be committed. So I am about to upload a screenshot of an Inkscape session with his theme (http://users.skynet.be/jflemaire/fichiers/Inkscape_session.png) and a blurb for the website news. Some questions, though: - Should I upload the whole lot (the icons.svg file, the PNG screenshot and the blurb) on the patch tracker or somewhere else? - If I understand correctly, the only way to change the icon theme is by putting the 'icons.svg' file into the '$INSTALL/share/inkscape/icons' directory. But what if a user does not have write access to this directory? - Since I'm running KDE, some stock icons are different (such as open and save) because they are taken from the stock KDE icons. It shows on the screenshot. Is that a problem? Jef

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swatches
by David Christian Berg 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

Hey guys, I just noticed that there are swatches implemented -- jippi! But is it worth complaining about already? :-) David

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape website in French
by Nicu Buculei 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

i don't have consistent answers, but i reply anyway because you forgot to reply to the list Luca Bruno wrote: > I think that something should be done for the internalization of the > website... I've seen just today the "Italian" link at the bottom of the > page: that's not *italian*... only babelfish can speak that way :)... i believe the automatic translation was a *temporary* solution > I'm already subscribed to wordpress; I'd like to translate news feed in > italian but, doing that, I will duplicate news...it will be useless for > non-italian user. > > Isn't possible to implement a language chooser or something similar? > I've never used wordpress (and rss-feed in general :( ) so I cannot > speak about that, but i was thinking about something similar to > www.debian.org : it recognizes the language of your browser and sets the > site language accordingly... so you offer to maintain yourself an translated version of the website or at least of the front page? > Also having different submask (fr.inkscape.org,it.i.o...) to redirect > to, would do the job :) probably this was not implemented yet mainly because of the lack of volunteers offering to maintain those localized pages -- nicu

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Inkscape website in French
by Jean-François Lemaire 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

Hello, Would it be possible to have the news in French on the website? Some kind of French version of the homepage or something. I would be willing to make the translations if that were possible. For example, http://www.linuxgraphic.org links to the Inkscape website when a new version is released, and I suppose the French users (or potential users) would very much like to be able to read the news. The same goes for the release notes, I guess. And before someone says everybody reads English, let me assure your that this is not true. Almost none of my (Belgian) French-speaking friends can understand English, let alone read it, and the situation is generally said to be worse in France (no offence intended towards our French friends, of course. That's just the way it is.). Jef

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkboard - RPM for first release
by Montgomery, Steven S 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

Well, the release notes have a description of what's working as well as submitting bugs: Basic one-to-one document editing functionality exists in this initial release. You can login to a Jabber server and initiate a connection with another user. You can then make changes to the document and they will be sent to the sharing user and any changes they make will be sent to you. There are many bugs and surely more that we don't know about. Please use the Bug Tracker on SourceForge ( http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=113865&atid=666480 ) to submit any new bugs. We plan to have another release at the end of this week that addresses several bugs we already know about as well as adding some more functionality. For example, the v0.1 release doesn't attempt to send the initial document when creating a new share connection, but the version in CVS successfully sends an initial document. The initial release can be downloaded at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=113865. The distcheck missing was in Linux(Fedora Core 3 to be specific). Thanks, Steven -----Original Message----- From: Ted Gould [mailto:ted@...11...] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:02 AM To: Montgomery, Steven S Cc: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkboard - RPM for first release On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 01:44 -0500, Montgomery, Steven S wrote: > Release 0.1 source should be available for download on Sourceforge. Awesome! Is there an announcement that tells us what functionality is working in this version? Where should bugs be submitted? Can you provide a link to the downloads? > I should note that we always have the error about intltool. Inkscape > still seemed to work fine, so we didn't think much of it. But I guess > rpm is a little more picky... > > Oh, and when I try `make distcheck` as suggested, I get 'make: *** No > rule to make target `distcheck'. Stop.' Well, intltool is what manages the translations. So you probably wouldn't notice any errors that were caused by it if you only used Inkboard in English. Sounds like a macro problem, but that would be really weird, probably better to fix distcheck first. Was distcheck missing on Linux or Windows? I'm not sure if it is supposed to exist in the Windows makefiles. It should be there for Linux. --Ted

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RE: [Inkscape-devel] Inkboard - RPM for first release
by Montgomery, Steven S 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

Release 0.1 source should be available for download on Sourceforge. On the issue with RPMs, here are the last few lines of the build log: Making all in po make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/inkboard-0.1/po' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/inkboard-0.1/po' make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/inkboard-0.1' LC_ALL=C ./intltool-merge -d -u -c ./po/.intltool-merge-cache ./po inkscape.desktop.in inkscape.desktop Possible unintended interpolation of @INTLTOOL_ICONV in string at ./intltool-merge line 94. Global symbol "@INTLTOOL_ICONV" requires explicit package name at ./intltool-merge line 94. BEGIN not safe after errors--compilation aborted at ./intltool-merge line 250. make[2]: *** [inkscape.desktop] Error 9 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/inkboard-0.1' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/inkboard-0.1' make: *** [all] Error 2 I should note that we always have the error about intltool. Inkscape still seemed to work fine, so we didn't think much of it. But I guess rpm is a little more picky... Oh, and when I try `make distcheck` as suggested, I get 'make: *** No rule to make target `distcheck'. Stop.' Thanks, Steven -----Original Message----- From: Bryce Harrington [mailto:bryce@...260...] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:04 AM To: Montgomery, Steven S Cc: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkboard - RPM for first release On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 01:52:22AM -0500, Montgomery, Steven S wrote: > Rose-Hulman team here again. We're in the process of making our initial > release of the Inkboard project. The first question is, how important > is it to have binaries(RPMs) for a release? Will most people want the > source code anyways? The source code is the important thing. If the code's good then others will handle the packaging. For instance, if your code is integrated into mainline, then the Inkscape project will generate all the debs, rpms, ebuilds, exe's, etc. as usual. :-) > A related issue, we having problems creating the RPM. I'm not sure if > it's a lack of understanding of RPMs or something to do with Inkscape on > the dev machine. Here's the error it gives at the end of a "rpmbuild > -ba": > make[2]: *** [inkscape.desktop] Error 9 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/inkboard-0.1' > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/inkboard-0.1' > make: *** [all] Error 2 > error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.68505 (%build) > > RPM build errors: > Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.68505 (%build) Actually I think you've missed the real error message; it'll probably be the one right before the Error 9 line. Can you post the entire build log? > Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. One thing to try is to run `make distcheck` prior to creating the RPM. That will analyze it for packaging errors. The most common cause of errors with RPM's is file paths. RPM's get installed into an arbitrary directory location, so if parts of your build process assume that a file is in a particular location (like /etc or /usr/share/inkscape), that could potentially mess it up. Hope this helps, Bryce

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Patch to fix compile errors with amd64 and gcc-4.0
by Zan Lynx 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

(I am not subscribed to the list, please CC me on any replies.) I was compiling Inkscape 0.41 with GCC 4 and got a lot of errors about stuffing 64-bit pointers into 32-bit ints. I think I fixed them and here's the patch. I didn't understand why some of the code was as it was, so this patch may be all wrong, but it compiled and seems to work well. -- Zan Lynx <zlynx@...770...>

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NEW: grouping across layers/groups
by bulia byak 28 Mar '05

28 Mar '05

* The Group command (Ctrl+G) no longer complains when you try to group objects from different layers or groups. Now it pulls the selected objects from wherever they are in the document tree, groups them, and puts the group in the parent layer/group or the topmost (in z-order) selected object.

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WordPress implemented [was: CVS trouble]
by Jonathan Leighton 27 Mar '05

27 Mar '05

Joshua A. Andler wrote: >Great thanks! Weird thing, but the confirmation email with the password >still hasn't arrived... any thoughts? (did I mistype my email address?) > > Hmmmm... I can see your address in the admin panel, and it's correct. Give it a few hours, and if it still hasn't come, email me and I'll see if I can get in touch with Sourceforge. I did look in the SF docs and it says that outgoing email from the project web space is permitted, and not blocked by any software, so it *should* work. It might be that SF is just slow. Cheers, Jon -- Jonathan Leighton aka. Turnip http://turnipspatch.com/ | http://digital-proof.org/

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Deform Class
by Joshua Blocher 27 Mar '05

27 Mar '05

Hi, As a few of you know from jabber i have been working on deforming paths. I have finished one function and starting a write the second. before i get much further i need help figuring out what a deform class has to/needs to/ should have in it. here is what i have so far but, they are not all implemented mind you. comments and input more than welcome. class Deform; NR:Point CoordDiff( NR:Point, NR:Point ); NR:Point AdvCoordDiff(); int DeformPath(); int DeformObject(); public: NR:Point GetCoordDiff( NR:Point, NR:Point ); NR:Point GetAdvCoordDiff(); int DoPathDeform(); int DoDeformObject(); Thanks, josh aka verbalshadow

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Another article about Inkscape
by Bob Jamison 27 Mar '05

27 Mar '05

Hi, all, Occasionally I check Google News for articles about Inkscape. Here is another one I found, that is interesting because it is in a tech section of a mainstream media outlet, not in a tech journal: http://star-techcentral.com/tech/story.asp?file=/2005/3/15/prodit/10221334&… Bob

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Ktoon + Inkscape = killer app?
by Jiaxiang 25 Mar '05

25 Mar '05

I just got hold of KToon, a 2D animation program for KDE. http://ktoon.toonka.com/ I'm ultra-impressed. It can export files in SVG, SWF and PNG sequence (as it's listed) formats. It's pretty mature from the set-up and features it has in use. Maybe some talented programmer(s) who are familiar with everything Inkscape and SVG can jump in and add SVG animation capabilities that might get this powerful program somehow connected/interlaced with Inkscape or even just SVG animation standards? :) (Personally, I'm ready to help make SVG the web standard that it should be.) Pardon my zeal over SVG animation... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

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common interface for graphics apps on the "free desktop"
by Jakub Steiner 25 Mar '05

25 Mar '05

One of the good things about Adobe's product line is that they "work together". Same tasks require the same interface. Shortcuts are consistent. On the free desktop we have two major graphics applications, Inkscape (http://www.inkscape.org) and GIMP (http://www.gimp.org). It will not be uncommon to have users needing both apps in their workflow. I hope you guys agree trying to have similar consistency helps to provide a sane user experience. To be specific, there are areas where GIMP & Inkscape provide similar functionality in a slightly different way. For now I will ignore the path tool. An inconsistency that came up while I was working on something is the mouse wheel behavior. GIMP uses shift+scroll wheel to zoom, Inkscape Ctrl+mousewheel. GIMP uses Alt+mousewheel to pan horizontally, Inkscape uses Shift+mousewheel. I've filed this as http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1115612&group_id=9… Another area is the aspect ratio constraint and other transform modifiers. Note that this isn't a user-transition problem. People like me will be using GIMP & Inkscape simultaneously. It's _not_ about forgetting what a user has been used to in the past. Having inconsistent behavior makes one stumble in both apps. It would be cool if somebody found the motivation to write up some extension to the Gnome HIG, defining a standard behaviour for gfx apps (*hint* *hint* ;). Sorry for cross posting, but I hope to initiate some discussion among both camps. cheers -- Jakub Steiner <jimmac@...659...>

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simplify broken in cvs?
by mak 25 Mar '05

25 Mar '05

hello. i have been having some troubles with simplify <CTRL+L> in the latest cvs-builds. to _reproduce_ simply create a new document > make a polygon, bezier-curve or anything, except spirals & freehand-lines[those seem to work !?], select and press <CTRL+L>. > inkscape uses 99% cpu. i upped an example-svg here: http://mak.d3f3kt.net/simplify.svg ... if i'm doing something wrong, please feel free to point it out, maybe i need to be more patient[?]. tia. mak. -- [ m e t a sieben ] [ mak@...766... ] [ m4k@...450... ]

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Creative Commons Search
by Jon Phillips 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

Hello everyone, Please check out the new creative commons search at yahoo. It does turn up some of our content, but hopefully it will get more sorted out: http://search.yahoo.com/cc I have the ear of some of the ppl. at creative commons, so feature requests I can pass on. Jon -- Jon Phillips USA PH 510.499.0894 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) CVS Book (http://cvsbook.ucsd.edu) Scale Journal (http://scale.ucsd.edu)

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Mitchell Baker mentions SVG in Mozilla
by Bob Jamison 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

Slashdot had an interview with Mitchell Baker this morning, and she answers a question about SVG in Firefox. "when will it be turned on by default?" http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/22/1442200&tid=154&tid=… Actually, she doesn't answer it, which is very, very disappointing. The situation is quite depressing, with no hopeful future in sight. Bob

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sourceforge and subversion
by Bob Jamison 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

According to SF.net's news page, they are finally considering implementing Subversion repositories. Here is the item: > *Subversion Service: * The research, analysis, and support gear-up > needed to implement a Subversion service at SourceForge.net is now in > progress. As with all SourceForge.net services, extensive analysis and > testing must be performed to verify suitable levels of stability and > scalability before a service can be rolled-out. We are expecting the > initial phases of this effort to last several weeks, to be followed by > the implementation of a testing environment which will be used for a > live beta test by specific selected projects. Pending successful > scalability testing, service details will be finalized and service > will be offered to all projects. (Last updated: 2005-03-02 Pacific) Anyone who is familiar with CVS, but has had an opportunity to use Subversion would never go back. Examples: (a)Try in CVS and SVN, renaming a directory with 100 files in it. No contest. (b) An SVN branch is not a tagging, but an actual branch of a directory tree, with the branch diff'd from the trunk. (c) Commits are 'atomic,' meaning that a commit is not applied if it fails during transfer, but only if it is handled correctly. Very sweet. It would be nice if Inkscape were one of the "specific selected projects". Bob

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CVS trouble
by Jonathan Leighton 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

Apologies that this isn't really related to Inkscape development, but... I'm having real trouble with checking in the WordPress stuff I did. I was up til nearly 2AM last night trying to get it to work (I got errors when trying to commit), at which point I when to bed grumpily. Anyway, today I finally got it to commit without any errors, but when I look at the repository via the web interface (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/inkscape/inkscape_web/) it seems to have not worked right. The four WordPress-related directories have checked in (wp-*), but NONE of the files seem to have. Furthermore, in the wp-includes, wp-admin and wp-images directories, it seems the "cvs" data directories have also checked in (which they shouldn't have), again, without the files. I'm confused as hell, because the output in the terminal when I committed seemed to be fine. For instance: RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape_web/wp-includes/vars.php,v done Checking in wp-includes/vars.php; /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape_web/wp-includes/vars.php,v <-- vars.php initial revision: 1.1 done That, and other similar output suggests to me that it worked. But maybe I'm missing something? If anyone can help me out I'd be very grateful. I'm sure this is just my newbie-ness but I can't see where I've gone wrong. Also, on the topic of Subversion, I'd definitely support switching to that -- this is the first time for me using CVS, but I have used Subversion in the past with zero problems, and CVS is feels like an uphill battle. Thanks, Jon -- Jonathan Leighton aka. Turnip http://turnipspatch.com/ | http://digital-proof.org/

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Newsforge article on color management
by Bryce Harrington 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/03/08/1712218.shtml?tid=152&tid=1… (Scribus and Cinepaint have support for LittleCMS, but neither GIMP nor Inkscape support it yet. I wonder which project will succeed in implementing the support first?) Bryce

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Mitchell Baker mentions SVG in Mozilla
by Bob Jamison 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

John Taber wrote: >Hmm, one of the killer features that IE doesn't have and they are holding it >back ? He does give a explanation of why re decisions on the feature >conflicts - maybe our SVG community can help them out here. Or maybe should >make available binaries of their SVG enabled CVS version? >John > Well, a person can already find an SVG-enabled version of Firefox, if one looks hard enough. But how do you get this voodoo magic to the unwashed masses, and the PHBs? It really needs to be in every browser. What SVG needs for it to start gaining momentum is a user base. Imagine if 6% of browsers in use already (FF's share) could display SVG without any extensions or plugins. People would actually start putting content onto their sites. Maybe not completely; but a server could check for "Accept: image/svg+xml", and for those lucky people show a detailed SVG rather than a crappy bitmap. More content, more browsers; more browsers, more content. Bob

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] shortcuts do not work on canvas with Russian layout
by Artemio 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

> All works for me. Please update to the latest CVS and if the problem > persists file a detailed bug report (platform, libs, etc) Woo-hoo, works here with latest CVS version! I can use Ctrl+letter and Shift-Ctril+letter on obects, thanks! A.

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shortcuts do not work on canvas with Russian layout
by Artemio 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

Hello all! Long time, no write ;-) Still, I can't get the shortcuts to work with Russian layout, but now I noticed the following: they do work for main menu and in other places (like in text editor), but they do not work on the canvas. I am using last week's cvs built from source. So, say if I select an object, I can press Alt + E, C - this will follow to the Edit menu and copy an object. I can trigger and browse any menu like this Russian layout. In text editor, I can copy/cut/paste text (Ctrl + ...), apply/close (), etc. But on canvas, none of the modifier keys work (and, thus, shortcuts do not work either). I remember that this problem exists since last spring, and I had 3 different systems (and, thus, libraries configurations) since then. Artemio.

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Inkscape 0.41 autopackage
by Mike Hearn 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

Hi, I rebuilt this against autopackage 1.0 which provides misc bugfixes and improvements. After this point you generally won't have to rebuild packages to get improvements but 1.0 is the first API stable release so it's necessary. The new package can be found here: http://navi.cx/~mike/inkscape/inkscape-0.41-2.x86.package Could the one on SourceForge please be replaced? Also I noticed the current package is corrupt on switch at least, so it'll give the mirrors a chance to get non-truncated packages. thanks -mike

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EYE DROPPER: Added some buttons and Copy Color as HEX
by Jon Phillips 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

Hello everyone, I thought I would pull a Bulia and drop some features. When doing web design and pre-layout, I found it annoying that I could'nt get the hex value of colors, so I added a "Copy as Hex" button when using the eye dropper to get a color value. This way, one can quickly paste that into whatever web page they are working on...In the meantime I did a few other tasks. There are a few things still necessary to be done, but I wanted to report as I can't spend anymore time on it right now...I need to make some money... Made controls for Eye Dropper available on the auxiliary toolbar. * Added entry boxes for hex values of last selected color and opacity. * Added "Copy as RGBA" button that copies last selected color as RGBA value to the clipboard * Added "Copy as HEX" button that copies the last selected color as a HEX value (useful for web work where hex values are needed) * Added toggle switch option to select current color as visible on screen without alpha. When not toggled, then the current color and opacity as represented with alpha becomes the stored desktop value. * Removed the aforementioend option from the application preferences menu, as it is now available via the dropper auxiliary toolbar. What still needs to be done: 1.) I made an icon for the toggled value for Picking a color, I think called "pick_color" in icons.svg. I couldn't come up with a good one, so maybe someone could come up with a better icon to replace the crappy one I did for the toggle button. 2.) I need to fix HEX values that are copied when the option to pick color with alpha is selected. I know how to fix, but just don't have time right now to do...it is a simple thing...but I'm slow right now. 3.) I'm sure there are some things I missed since I did this quickly. Please email/fix/post bugs about... Thanks, Jon

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new interfaces...
by Jon A. Cruz 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

new interfaces planned... Previewable Dockable PreviewFillable DockFillable The first one is started, and in src/ui/previewable.h. Check out src/dialogs/swatches.* for some initial rough work with it. sleep calls.... details later.

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shortcuts do not work on canvas with Russian layout
by Artemio 22 Mar '05

22 Mar '05

Hello all! Long time, no write ;-) Still, I can't get the shortcuts to work with Russian layout, but now I noticed the following: they do work for main menu and in other places (like in text editor), but they do not work on the canvas. I am using last week's cvs built from source. So, say if I select an object, I can press Alt + E, C - this will follow to the Edit menu and copy an object. I can trigger and browse any menu like this Russian layout. In text editor, I can copy/cut/paste text (Ctrl + ...), apply/close (), etc. But on canvas, none of the modifier keys work (and, thus, shortcuts do not work either). I remember that this problem exists since last spring, and I had 3 different systems (and, thus, libraries configurations) since then. Artemio.

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Re Path Splitting?
by Erik 22 Mar '05

22 Mar '05

OK. 1. Open Inkscape. 2. Draw a short Freehand path. 3. Choose one of middle nodes. 4a. Break path at selected node or 4b. Split path between two non end-point nodes. Intuitively I would think that the result should be two or more separate paths? However, the result seems to be two or more sub-paths within the original path. Is this a bug or is it meant to behave like this? If it is meant then how do I get the sub-paths to be separate? Probably a simple explanation so I'd like to hear it. Erik Forgot to mention I'm using Win2K and build 1:14 of 22 March.

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Inkscape website with WordPress
by Jonathan Leighton 21 Mar '05

21 Mar '05

Ok, I've finished making an example of doing the Inkscape news with WordPress. Please navigate to http://inkscape.turnipspatch.com/ and have a look. If you want to try out the admin, then go to http://inkscape.turnipspatch.com/wp-admin/. The us.erna.me and pa.ssw.ord is "Test" and "inkscape" respectively. This username has full access privileges -- I might have a change that if abuse becomes a problem, but I don't think the people on this list would be the ones to do that so we'll see how it goes. Let me know of any opinions you have, whether you think it's a good/better solution etc. Jon PS. I decided not to create a "theme" for Inkscape as this would mess up interoperability with the non-WordPress part of the website, and also make it hard for people not familiar with WP to know what to do when editing pages. -- Jonathan Leighton aka. Turnip http://turnipspatch.com/ | http://digital-proof.org/

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Inkboard - RPM for first release
by Montgomery, Steven S 21 Mar '05

21 Mar '05

Rose-Hulman team here again. We're in the process of making our initial release of the Inkboard project. The first question is, how important is it to have binaries(RPMs) for a release? Will most people want the source code anyways? A related issue, we having problems creating the RPM. I'm not sure if it's a lack of understanding of RPMs or something to do with Inkscape on the dev machine. Here's the error it gives at the end of a "rpmbuild -ba": make[2]: *** [inkscape.desktop] Error 9 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/inkboard-0.1' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/inkboard-0.1' make: *** [all] Error 2 error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.68505 (%build) RPM build errors: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.68505 (%build) Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you, Steven Montgomery

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New CVS ebuild for Inkscape
by Jonathan Leighton 21 Mar '05

21 Mar '05

Hi all, I made some changes for myself to the ebuild I found in the wiki, but thought it would be good to share them with everyone else too. It was a couple of weeks ago, but this is what I remember I did: * Updated the dependencies to the ones in the Inkscape 0.41 ebuild currently in Gentoo bugzilla. * Changed the "x86" keyword to "~x86" -- a CVS ebuild should definitely not have a stable keyword. * Changed "econf || die" to "econf ${G2CONF} || die" so that USE flags actually work. I think that's it. If someone could put it on the Inkscape website in place of the old one I'd be grateful. It's attached. Regards, Jon -- Jonathan Leighton aka. Turnip http://turnipspatch.com/ | http://digital-proof.org/ # Copyright 1999-2003 Gentoo Technologies, Inc. # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2 # This is not the 1.0 version ! This is a cvs ebuild # By Dell'aiera Pol (id jabber: pol@...592...) # Just put this file in /usr/portage/media-gfx/inkscape/ then run 'emerge inkscape' # Report bug @ blenderman@...593... or via jabber. ECVS_MODULE="inkscape" ECVS_CVS_OPTIONS="-dP" ECVS_SERVER="cvs.sourceforge.net/cvsroot/inkscape" inherit cvs S=${WORKDIR}/${ECVS_MODULE} DESCRIPTION="A SVG based generic vector-drawing program" HOMEPAGE="http://www.inkscape.org/" LICENSE="GPL-2 LGPL-2.1" SLOT="0" KEYWORDS="~x86 ~ppc ~amd64" IUSE="gnome mmx doc" RDEPEND=">=x11-libs/gtk+-2.4.1 >=media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.16 >=dev-libs/libxml2-2.6.7 >=x11-libs/pango-1.4.0 dev-perl/XML-Parser virtual/xft media-libs/fontconfig dev-libs/popt sys-libs/zlib media-libs/libpng =sys-devel/gcc-3* >=dev-libs/libsigc++-2.0.3 >=dev-cpp/gtkmm-2.4 gnome? ( >=gnome-base/libgnomeprint-2.2 >=gnome-base/libgnomeprintui-2.2 ) >=dev-libs/boehm-gc-6.4" DEPEND="${RDEPEND} sys-devel/gettext dev-util/pkgconfig >=dev-util/intltool-0.29" src_compile() { ./autogen.sh || die G2CONF="${G2CONF} --with-xft --with-popt" use mmx || G2CONF="${G2CONF} --disable-mmx" use gnome && G2CONF="${G2CONF} --with-gnome-print" econf ${G2CONF} || die emake || die } src_install() { DOCS="AUTHORS COPYING ChangeLog HACKING NEWS README" make DESTDIR=${D} install || die }

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profiling clone deletion
by MenTaLguY 20 Mar '05

20 Mar '05

Here are the top three offenders when deleting ~10000 clones: > % cumulative self self total > time seconds seconds calls s/call s/call name > 26.42 35.29 35.29 50000 0.00 0.00 sp_object_get_child_by_repr(SPObject*, Inkscape::XML::Node*) > 14.10 54.12 18.83 9999 0.00 0.00 sp_item_pos_in_parent(SPItem*) > 11.45 69.42 15.30 20003 0.00 0.00 SPSelection::_removeObjectDescendants(SPObject*) They're also the only ones that individually accounted for > 10% of the CPU time, and together these three account for 51% of the entire time. Surprised me, actually; sp_repr_prev() only showed up at 7%, and it was only called 10000 times. So that means my speculations last night were largely wrong. But I guess this is a good illustration (for those following along at home) why it's good to profile rather than assume. ^^; But anyway... pondering how best to optimize things now. Suggestions welcome. I'm a bit reluctant to do the obvious and have every SPObject keep e.g. a hashtable of Node/SPObject mappings for its children, as that would come at a very heavy memory cost. At least for _removeObjectDescendants and sp_object_get_child_by_repr(), we may also be able to call them less in the first place... -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape SVG Animation Interface
by Jiaxiang 20 Mar '05

20 Mar '05

It was inspired by Beez Bezier animator: http://beez.sourceforge.net/ I also use Flash 2, but I think it's interface a little annoying (huge buttons) and so are its tools. (I still like it, though.) I just noticed that someone is actually working on an animation extension for Inkscape. It's called Spalah Flash: http://spalah.sourceforge.net/?p=2&m=25&go= Yeah, my mock-up shows the world that I don't know anything about programming. Animation is a complicated task. Oddly, the Beez Bezier animator has even less features than my mock-up, yet it can still produce animation. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Inkscape SVG Animation Interface
by Jiaxiang 19 Mar '05

19 Mar '05

This is just a quick mock-up of an idea for an Inkscape SVG animation interface. http://img42.exs.cx/img42/9633/inkscapeaniui8se.png DISCLAIMER: I'm merely an Inkscape user. I don't know anything about programming or GUI design - and I also don't pretend to know. This is just submitted to give some general idea of what, from the perspective of a this user, may or may not be the bare basics to add such a neat and powerful tool into the Inkscape tool box. Note: This would ideally be an additional window within Inkscape. The genius of its construction/destruction is left to you in the wonderful world of Inkscape development. With a handshake... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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RE: Inkscape SVG Animation Interface
by Jiaxiang 19 Mar '05

19 Mar '05

http://img42.exs.cx/img42/9633/inkscapeaniui8se.png __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Inkscape SVG Animation Interface
by Jiaxiang 19 Mar '05

19 Mar '05

This is just a quick mock-up of an idea for an Inkscape SVG animation interface. DISCLAIMER: I'm merely an Inkscape user. I don't know anything about programming or GUI design - and I also don't pretend to know. This is just submitted to give some general idea of what, from the perspective of a this user, may or may not be the bare basics to add such a neat and powerful tool into the Inkscape tool box. Note: This would ideally be an additional window within Inkscape. The genius of its construction/destruction is left to you in the wonderful world of Inkscape development. With a handshake... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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"icon preview" comments
by bulia byak 19 Mar '05

19 Mar '05

1. It shows only the last selected object, not the entire selection. So to preview a whole icon made of several objects, i have to group them and select the view. Very inconvenient. 2. There must be some way to set the background color of the dialog. The perception of an icon changes a lot with different backgrounds, and it would be nice to be able to preview different backgrounds in the dialog, without changing the document. 3. Please provide at least the size labels for the buttons. 4. Please make it auto updating on selection changes and modifications, without having to press Update.

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Opera 8 native SVG support
by Alan Horkan 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

Version 8 of the Opera Web Browser is in beta. http://www.opera.com/linux/changelogs/800b3/ One of the new features is support for SVG 1.1 Tiny, which is what makes this worth posting. With any luck this will serve as a kick in the ass for the Firefox Web Browser and they will also get their act together and support SVG. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ Inkscape, Draw Freely http://inkscape.org Abiword is Awesome http://www.abisource.com

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Postscript Gradient Export
by Michael Forbes 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

Hello Inkscape Developer! I attached a patch for Inkscape to allow it to export both linear and radial gradients subject to all transformations I could think of. I had some problems with GhostView rendering some radial gradients when the focus of the gradient is outside the actual object it fills. But I think it is a bug in GhostScript and not my understanding of PostScript. The only thing I am unsure is whether it is a good idea to change "%!PS-Adobe-2.0" to "%!PS-Adobe-3.0" since PostScript gradients are a Level 3 feature (perhaps some programs can't handle postscript level 3. first time Inkscape hacker, -Michael Forbes ------------------------------------------------------------ Student System Operator binx.mbhs.edu BEN Manager http://ben.mbhs.edu BNC Internet Division http://bnc.mbhs.edu MBHS Webmaster http://www.mbhs.edu BlazerNet President http://blazernet.mbhs.edu Computer Team Co-President http://computerteam.mbhs.edu MBLUG President http://mblug.mbhs.edu ------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Snap to objects?
by bulia byak 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:51:49 -0500, Lou Quillio <public@...758...> wrote: > 1. Grid/guide display and snap distance settings are document-level > prefs, which is expected. Snap toggling is also a document pref. > That's unusual. It takes five clicks to toggle snapping and > return to work. It would not be logical to have these settings separate. Besides the # and | keys toggle BOTH snapping and visibility. > 2. Initial snap distance is so fine (0.4000px) that the snapping > action is imperceptible, which gives the impression it's not > working. That's indeed a problem, and I've been planning to fix it by making the snap distance specifiable in screen pixels, i.e. the same in _visible_ length but different _absolute_ length depending on zoom. I think it would make much more sense. However this would only be possible to do in combination with snapping only to the visible grid lines (some of them become invisible as you zoom out), as I proposed here long ago. I still think it's the best approach, though some people objected (frankly I don't remember their arguments, though I remember not being convinced by them :) and so I shelved this idea. What's the current opinion of people?

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reminder for bug reporters
by bulia byak 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

Hi all, when reporting bugs in the tracker, please ALWAYS: - indicate the Inkscape version - indicate the platform - ATTACH THE FILE. Even if you think the file is "nothing special" and the bug is obvious. A file's worth a thousand words. It's often difficult to understand the bug explanations; attaching a file helps a lot. More often than not, reported bugs are already fixed in CVS; if you attach your file, a developer can quickly test it and close the report. WIthout the file and with unclear report text, a developer has to waste his time asking questions in the bug (which are not always answered, btw, especially in anonymous reports). So please do us (developers) a favor and always attach the file with your problem. It's much better to attach an unneeded file than to fail to attach a needed one. There are other things you might do to help (such as a backtrace), but a test file is absolutely essential. If Sourceforge won't let you attach a file (happens sometimes), post it on the web somewhere and attach a link in comments to the bug. Thanks!

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: [cairo] Pango + cairo
by Owen Taylor 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

[ Adding gtk-i18n-list to the CC, as more on-topic ] [ ... Various comments about SVG text requirements snipped ... ] On Thu, 2005-03-17 at 13:32 +1100, Peter Moulder wrote: > > I believe that there is a place for a library supporting advanced text > > applications, but that Pango Layout is not it. The overhead is really > > quite large and seems unnecessary for an API whose primary goal is > > laying out text in widgets. > > Owen, can you comment on what you see as pango's scope? Are you > interested in non-rectangular text regions? Are you interested in > non-greedy line breaking? (I'd guess that non-greedy line breaking > would be desirable even for dialog boxes, at least from a functional > point of view; the only question is whether it justifies the cost in > terms of maintainability of pango code and perhaps code size.) Pango's goal is to support anything anybody wants to do with text. The scope is implicit in the fact that text is hard, and internationalized text is harder. If you start from scratch and don't use Pango, you either have to say "full international coverage is never going to be interesting to me", or you have a year or two of work to do to catch up to Pango. So, the question isn't to me "what is Pango's scope" but rather what parts of Pango should be universal, and what parts do you replace. In particular, what about PangoLayout? It's really only a small part of Pango's code - maybe 10-15% of the total 65,000 lines of code, so maybe it's just ignorable? If you want non-rectangular line breaking, just use the low level parts of Pango My opinion is that while there may be some cases where ignoring PangoLayout and starting from scratch is right ... we really want PangoLayout to be extensible to handle almost any case where we are taking a block of text and laying it out into lines. Because of the 8000 lines of code inside PangoLayout, the part that actually lays out the text is only a small fraction ... 1000-2000 lines of code. The rest is bookkeeping, rendering, iteration over the layout and so forth. There's a big patch from Damon Chaplin outstanding to redo the line layout part of Pango to add justification. I haven't had the time to fully review it yet. It's pretty darn complex. If it turns out that we can't just replace the current code wholesale, that patch may be a good point to look at making line-layout pluggable. Non-greedy linebreaking is very challenging to do with good internationalized shaping. (I think Damon spent some time trying to figure out and then gave up.) But if someone had a spare month, I think it's definitely possible. And I wouldn't mind shipping it with Pango, as long as it was optional. As well as performance considerations, it is just the wrong behavior for most interactive applications. Non-rectangular layout, on the other hand, is pretty easy. It's not totally trivial when you have mixed fonts within a line and thus uneven line spacing, but I think the main challenge there is simply coming up with a good interface for representing the shape to Pango. Regards, Owe

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Re: select arrowheads?
by bulia byak 17 Mar '05

17 Mar '05

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:59:15 -0800 (PST), John Cliff <simarilius@...36...> wrote: > What I'd hoped to do was make the default markers styleless, then to > xlink:href them from defs with a style applied (ala gradients and the > vectors), as they should be able to inherit then (or can they? that was > how i read it anyhow) > Problem is we dont support xlinked markers atm. and I didnt know where > to start adding support for it. Markers cannot href each other. So you'll have to simply duplicate a marker when applying style to its user path (only if the hrefcount of the marker is > 1, otherwise it's not needed). However the copied marker should carry some extrension attr indicating that it's a styled copy of another marker, for purposes of showing in the list only the markers which differ by contents, not style. > btw, other complication is that some markers are solid filled paths, > while others are just stroked, so you have to work out where to apply > the style. What you do if the marker refs a gradient I dont know :) I think it's possible to redraw all the basic markers (arrows, squares, etc) so that they look the same but only use stroke, no fill. This will simplify things a lot, as you'll just copy the new path style to marker and that will paint it the needed color. More elaborate markers will use fill too, in which case their fill color will be determined by that of the user path. Note that per SVG spec, unset stroke is invisible (unlike unset fill which is black), so in the original markers you will need to provide stroke:black on <marker>, and replace it with whatever is the user path's new style.

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17 Mar '05

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape website with WordPress
by Jonathan Leighton 17 Mar '05

17 Mar '05

John Taber wrote: >My two cents - if the CMS or any other scripting thing does not really buy you >a must have or great to have that you can't do otherwise without a lot of >pain, then it's not worth it down the road. Warren Buffett swears by KISS so >I tend to think it is a good thing to strive for. If the CMS does buy a lot, >and if it's well done, then do it. > Yes, exactly. But there are different interpretations of this rule. I'd say that having an RSS feed is a fairly essential feature. I'd also say that maintaining a news section is a fairly essential feature. Now, the code for that needs to come from somewhere, and either someone on the Inkscape project has to write it, or we have to use publishing software from someone else. I think that by letting the WordPress developers deal with publishing and WordPress, it allows the Inkscape developers to get on with the task at hand: Inkscape. This is a simplistic view ('scuse the repetition), I know, and there are issues to consider, which Bryce explained extremely well, but when it comes down to it, I say let the publishing people deal with the publishing, and the Inkscape people deal with the Inkscaping. Just as an example: the only time you'd have to write (X)HTML with WordPress is when you want "advanced" things like blockquotes, lists, etc. All the paragraphing, validating (to an extent) and entity encoding is done for you, so you don't have to worry about it. The Inkscape website currently fails on validation due to non-validating news entries. Dates are also added automatically, so there's no chance of forgetting that. >I'll format my blogs simply using css (although even css doesn't work very well in IE for >customers stuck with that so maybe I'll just keep my blogs in simple html). > > I know quite a few people who would shoot you for saying that, although I'd rather they shot Microsoft ; ). Jon -- Jonathan Leighton aka. Turnip http://turnipspatch.com/ | http://digital-proof.org/

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multi-line text entry causes exception in cvs
by inkblotter 17 Mar '05

17 Mar '05

$ ./inkscape terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::out_of_range' what(): basic_string::replace Emergency save activated! [snip] public cvs, up-to-date this evening fc3, gcc 3.4.2 Steps to repeat: select the text tool enter some text and then hit CR to enter a multi-line text object *bang!* Happens every time. Aren't exceptions wonderful? I suspect things are changing in text handling at the moment, yes?

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Re: [cairo] Pango + cairo
by unknown＠example.com 17 Mar '05

17 Mar '05

Quoting Keith Packard <keithp@...579...>: > I'll read through the SVG spec and see whether this is always > true; it may be that SVG allows applications to request text > wrapping or embed newlines. Newlines in SVG text are just whitespace; they don't introduce a new line: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/text.html#WhiteSpace However, SVG 1.2 introduces flowing text and graphics, where text flowing/wrapping is performed according to a specified greedy algorithm. http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG12/flow.html Speaking for Inkscape, we're currently in the progress of implementing support for this in Inkscape, and we do use pango for what we can, but I'm fairly certain we ended up having to do line breaking/wrapping ourselves as the required algorithm is very different from what Pango wants to do. (Admittedly, I'm not very personally involved with that part of the codebase these days so I might be off on some of the details; I'll CC the list in case anyone more familiar wants to correct me...) -mental

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Show Page Shadow Option
by Jon Phillips 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

I can't find the email where I said I would commit my "Show Page Shadow" option to the "Document Preferences" dialog. Anyhow, I added and tested it (I'm trying to make good on my backlog of promises). Now anyone may quickly set whether page shadow is on or off per-document via the "Document Preferences" dialog. If you would like to make it permanent, you can change your local preferences.xml under namedview by adding the attribute: showpageshadow="false" However, if you have the default.svg located by default at /usr/local/share/templates/default.svg on *nix, then you must add the aforementioned setting in namedview. Took me moment to track down where that conflict between preferences.xml and default.svg occurred. I think Jimmac and some others requested this and I don't like the cheesy "this is a document" page shadow either. Plus, it won't really be applicable when the documents are for animations, etc. Jon PS: Should I have made that atrribute "inkscape:showpageshadow" ??? I can change quickly if necessary. -- Jon Phillips USA PH 510.499.0894 jon@...235... http://www.rejon.org Inkscape (http://inkscape.org) Open Clip Art Library (www.openclipart.org) CVS Book (http://cvsbook.ucsd.edu) Scale Journal (http://scale.ucsd.edu)

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Re: [Scribus] Scribus on VNU.NET
by PLinnell 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

On Thursday 10 March 2005 20:15, Louis Desjardins wrote: > Hi everybody! > > The Frenchspeaking readers on this list will appreciate the > following link. It brings you to the Dossier published in Feb. 05 > in SVM Mac. There are no screenshots. However, there are many links > and a Fink how-to. > > http://svmmac.vnunet.fr/dossiers/logiciels/utilitaires/20050309001 > > Happy reading! > > Bonne lecture! > > Louis > _______________________________________________ > For those who are not French speakers or have not read the articles, the text version was very in depth group of articles about not just Scribus, but Inkscape and GIMP. For a major Mac publication to give it such broad coverage is in itself very significant.. To me, it says to their readers who might not truly understand OSS benefits, 'these are worthy applications'. What I found most pleasing was they highlighted the applications strengths: Inkscape's attention to UI detail and ease of use, along with prominently Scribus PDF export. Worth a look, if you can get it. Cheers, Peter

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape website with WordPress
by Jonathan Leighton 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

John Taber wrote: >On Wednesday 16 March 2005 11:30, you wrote: > > >>>I'll format my blogs simply using css (although even css doesn't work very >>>well in IE for customers stuck with that so maybe I'll just keep my blogs >>>in simple html). >>> >>> >>I know quite a few people who would shoot you for saying that, although >>I'd rather they shot Microsoft ; ). >> >> > >I don't understand why - I wasted a whole weekend redesigning our site using >W3C standard CSS, testing on Mozilla and Konqueror then found out that it was >basically unreadable in IE. So I've gone back to lots of tables. > > Sorry, my comment was perhaps a little rude. I didn't mean it like that. Basically, standards advocates (myself included) say that developing semantic (ie. not using tables for presentation), standards compliant sites is very important. There are lots of reasons: it helps search engines understand your content more, makes your site more accessible (by separating content and presentation), smaller file sizes, etc. IE has crappy support for standards, which is where the fight begins. There are, however, ways to get around the IE difficulties including suicide, changing career, and forcing everyone to use Firefox. Errr, sorry, I mean browser specific "hacks" (filters), writing CSS in a more compatible "style", and some other little things to fix stuff as well (like for transparent PNGs). There is also a slight hope that one day Microsoft may decide to improve IE's standards support, but I personally think Firefox will take over sooner than that. If you're still interested in going the standards route, you might find the following links to be of use (particularly the first): * http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/04/30/a_roadmap_to/ * http://www.htmldog.com/ * http://www.positioniseverything.net/ This has gone wildly off topic though (sorry everyone!), so if you have any more questions feel free to email me direct and I'll do my best to help you out. Jon -- Jonathan Leighton aka. Turnip http://turnipspatch.com/ | http://digital-proof.org/

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NEW: converting node to smooth improved
by bulia byak 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

Kevin, I reviewed your page at http://www.angelfire.com/mi/kevincharles/inkscape/ncwf.htm - thanks for the detailed description. I just committed a fix to Inkscape CVS. Now you can achieve your result with a single click. In Node tool, either Ctrl+click the node, or select it and click the "Make selected node smooth" button. The node will get handles and its adjacent segments will become curves, but the neighbouring nodes will remain cusp.

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NEW: dragging out handles
by bulia byak 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

Here's another Node tool improvement: - If a node does not show one or both handles (i.e. they are retracted), you can drag a handle out by dragging away from the node with Shift. This is often more convenient than using the "Convert node to smooth" or "Convert segment to curve" buttons. Unlike before, dragging a node without modifiers, or with any modifiers but Shift, will always move the node itself, not its retracted handle. Retracted handles are now not displayed at all, so for the user there's no difference between a node on a line segment (without handles) or a curve node with retracted handles. They behave the same, and you can Shift+drag out a handle easily from both.

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interface discussions
by Kees Cook 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

I love that the core features of Inkscape are so far along that the devel list has dived into long discussions of how to make subtle tweaks to the interface to make things _even better_. :) -- Kees Cook @outflux.net

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NEW: small improvement in drawing tools
by bulia byak 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

Inspired by http://www.angelfire.com/mi/kevincharles/inkscape/aiwf.htm, I added a small improvement to the drawing tools: - When you switch to the Pen or Pencil tool, they now start in the "add" mode: the selected path displays endnodes to attach to, and any path you draw becomes a single object with the selected path. To start a new path object, deselect the selected path by pressing Esc. Previously you had to press "a" to go to the add mode, and I'm sure many people were not aware of this. You can still turn the add mode off by pressing "a", but I'm thinking of removing that because I don't see what advantage that may have. If you don't want to continue the path, just deselect it. Removing the "non-add" mode altogether will make the interface simpler. Any comments?

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NEW: Unsetting paint and painting clones
by bulia byak 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

New in CVS: * Unsetting paint and painting clones: Both Fill and Stroke tabs of the Fill&Stroke dialog have a new mode button, "Unset paint" (with a question mark icon). Pressing this button removes the fill or stroke property from the style of selected objects, which has the visible effect of painting them black. The usefulness of this is that clones of such an object can redefine the unset fill or stroke, which means you can have clones painted differently from their original and from each other. Just use the Fill&Stroke dialog on a clone to assign it any kind of fill or stroke paint (flat color, gradient, etc.). Moreover, you can unset paint on some of the objects in a group, clone the group, and paint the clone; only those objects with unset paint will accept the paint, while others will retain their original paint.

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Inkscape Status 3/15/05
by Bryce Harrington 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

Tuesday, Mar 15, 2005 The last two weeks have seen a number of new features added, the fruit of some quite heated (and fruitful) discussions on the list. Bulia's work on redesigning gradients has generated a lot of good feedback from the community and should really prove to be a big step forward for the application. Mental has been continuing his work on converting C code to C++ and attending to some of the more complex bugs as they pop up. The new gtkmm-based gui code is now accessible via 'inkscape --new-gui'. Jon Cruz is adding a new 'panel' system to replace the current 'dialog' focused design, that will give people more flexibility in how the user interface looks and works. There's still a lot more work needed, though, and we desperately need more people working on it. We're also seeing the impact of the involvement of a number of new contributors. Cyreve is working on improving text flow and wrapping. Kevin Wixson has been plugging away at improving documentation. Statistics Feb 1 Feb 15 Mar 1 Mar 15 ========== ===== ====== ===== ====== Lifetime Rank on SourceForge: 569 * * * (96.0%) * * * Max Week's Rank on SourceForge: * * * * * * * * Total SF Page Views 2,296,458 * * * Total SF Downloads 115,645 * * * Total Freshmeat URL Hits 15,108 16,448 16,885 17,186 Total Freshmeat Subscriptions 156 169 173 173 Lines of Code in src/: 323,324 333,139 338,993 342,852 Code lines 227,872 234,651 238,641 241,177 Comment line 56,438 58,239 59,589 60,354 Blank 45,624 46,859 47,484 47,978 Lines of Docs in doc/: 17,918 26,848 26,848 26,848 Lines of content in website: 9,486 9,776 9,979 10,067 Size of the Inkscape wiki: 23,576 24,925 25,094 25,900 Bugs open/total: 148/917 155/972 177/1019 182/1047 Features open/total: 352/556 370/579 384/ 602 397/ 619 Patches open/total: 7/154 5/167 6/ 170 7/ 173 CVS Commits (as per inkscape-cvs) 9,975 10,312 10,600 10,868 Inkscape-devel membership: 143 151 152 158 Inkscape-announce membership: 166 169 171 177 Inkscape-user membership: 181 193 201 220 Num Translations: 33 33 33 33 Ave Translation Ratio: 44.7 47.8 45.0 45.0 * - Statistics unavailable

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Compiler warnings
by Bob Jamison 15 Mar '05

15 Mar '05

I spent a few hours yesterday compiling the tree with gcc4.0.0, and removing the warnings, so it should compile fairly cleanly now. Since warnings are a useful tool to indicate possible bugs (and I found one yesterday), can people please make sure that their committed code compiles without them? I know that "unused variable" and things like that can be a pain to avoid, especially in a "work in progress." But if we allow ourselves to become desensitized to warnings, we will likely ignore problem conditions and possible bugs. Bob

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] translated win32 installer
by Adib Taraben 15 Mar '05

15 Mar '05

Ciao Luca, Do you want a screenshot? all the other translation is all done with the include of the language file. I already checked this with the latest CVS at the office (Torino). Only the GPL is not translated. The german GPL translation project refers to the original english version as the only official and legally binding. I would see in the installer an option to select, if the installation is visible to the login that did the installation or to all users of the computer. HTH, Adib. Luca Bruno schrieb: > Bob Jamison <rjamison@...357...> scrisse: > > >>>>I did some work on the .nsi for the win32 installer. I included a >>>>german >>>>translation. It should be very simple to add more languages. > > >> > Luc, that is wonderful. Thanks for adding this section. You >> > probably >> > only need to change the type to ${LANG_ITALIAN}, but that is >> > the only thing I see.. > > > >>I fixed that, and it is committed. Thanks again. > > > Thank you for the commit and the check (sorry, my mistake, I forgot to > change the label)... > > Now I use only Linux, but if I remember correctly, there also other > steps in a normal Win installer (such as program dir chooser, license, > etc...) that I think could be translated. > I'm not aware of technical details, so I'm asking: Is it possible? How? > If somebody show me an hack about it, I'd like to help with a full > Italian translation... > > Please, let me know :) > > Ciao, Luc@ > > P.S. I use to sign all my mail with "Ciao, Luc@", but my correct (in > Italian) name is "Luca"... :) >

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Inkscape for AI users: a revert war :)
by bulia byak 15 Mar '05

15 Mar '05

Recently the wiki user Kwixson has significantly expanded and rewritten the "Inkscape for AI users" document on our wiki. Some of his edits seemed strange to me, and I proposed my variants. Unfortunately we could not reach a consensus, so after several mutual reverts we decided to post here and ask for the help and judgement from the community. The latest revision with our extensive comments is here: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?IllustratorUsers Below I briefly list the things I disagree with. 0. To begin, I really appreciate the input on this document from the user who obviously knows AI well. This is some kind of expertise which I personally lack, so I would not be able to write such a document all by myself. Obviously it must be written from an AI user's point of view and use AI terminology and concepts. 1. However, Kwixson's approach seems to go further than that. He apparently wants this document to describe _only_ those things which you can do in Illustrator, and describe them exactly _the same way_ as one would do them in Illustrator, even if Inkscape offers more convenient methods. I think this is wrong. 2. With Kwixson's approach, Inkscape would always seem inferior to AI, because you can't win just by copying. You can't be a better Illustrator than Illustrator, you need to be different to be better. And indeed Kwixson's text has a generally condescending tone and phrases like "is much less responsive", "is not as intuitive" etc. We need to be honest about Inkscape's weaknesses, but these judgements were often not based on any real weaknesses. 3. After all, who is this document for? Those who like AI the way it is will never switch, so it seems stupid to target them in such a document. I think we need to target those who are used to AI but are looking for something different and better. And therefore we must stress our strengths and differences, explaining them in a way which is easy to understand for AI users. Now on to specific examples. A. Kwixson has removed my mention of keyboard accessibility, in particular keys for screen-pixel-sized transformations, claiming this is not important. I've seen this attitude before from other AI users; they tend to dismiss this because they don't have it. Those who are really using Inkscape (or Xara, where I got the idea from, though by now Inkscape's keyboard is superior even to Xara) will disagree. B. In the section on shapes, Kwixson has removed my explanation of the difference between a shape and a path and the unique features that shapes offer. Instead he inserted an advice to do Ctrl+Shift+C (convert to path) as soon as you created a shape, to be able to node-edit it! This is because AI does not have shapes as such, treating everything as paths. I think this is plain stupid. Inkscape's shapes are clearly superior to those of any other program I know, and we must present them as such. C. In the section on Node tool, Kwixson provided some very cumbersome descriptions of how to convert a segment from curve to straight line and how to continue a path. When I proposed much simpler and more straightforward ways to do the same, he insisted that his descriptions closely match the way AI does this and therefore must stay. Once again, I don't see why one should go through all this when there's a much simpler way. Disclaimer on this point: I cannot even claim to completely understand Kwixson's descriptions, so I may have missed something important in them. Please anyone who knows AI's path editing, review these paragraphs and let us know what you think. Any feedback will be appreciated. I'm crossposting this to the user list too.

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CVS compiling for the uninitiated
by unknown＠example.com 15 Mar '05

15 Mar '05

I compiled CVS successfully a while back and was very excited. So today I tried: cvs -z3 update -Pd make and got: Making all in ui make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/inkscape/share/ui' make[3]: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop. make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/inkscape/share/ui' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/inkscape/share' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/inkscape' make: *** [all] Error 2 If I were to take a stab in the dark I would guess my makefile is too old and it doesn't include rules for the new ui stuff. I could be very wrong, but this makes me wonder when and how often should I use commands like "make clean", autogen.sh and configure when working with Inkscape CVS. I don't think I saw these sorts of instructions in the wiki. (I do think I read a short blurb about using autogen.sh when new folders enter the tree.) Sorry for such rudimentary questions. Education appreciated, Aaron Spike

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Experimenting with the gcc4.0.0 compiler
by Bob Jamison 15 Mar '05

15 Mar '05

I downloaded/installed a prerelease snapshot of gcc4.0.0 today, and did a clean build with it. I expected it to produce better warnings than 3.4, since 3.4 was more strict than 3.3. And it does! Here is an example: ./xml/node.h:42: warning: ‘class Inkscape::XML::Node’ has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor ./xml/document.h:23: warning: ‘struct Inkscape::XML::Document’ has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor ./xml/sp-css-attr.h:20: warning: ‘class SPCSSAttr’ has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor The planned release of 4.0.0 is Apr 15, so it would be wise to keep up with developments. Bob

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Re: bug report, sorry: 100% CPU with text, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V
by Ralf Stephan 14 Mar '05

14 Mar '05

switching to the more appropriate list > Self-built on PPC. Start up clean. Click text, click canvas, type a > few keys, then type Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V: voila 100% CPU. > 0.41 on an oldish G3 iMac with a heavily upgraded Suse-PPC 6.x, gcc-3.4.1, > kernel 2.2.18pre24, configure was --disable-static --without-inkjar > > Note: do NOT click selection. Can someone reproduce it on x86? Here is the gdb backtrace, the longest I've ever seen. Program received signal SIGINT, Interrupt. 0x0ed55b60 in __mempcpy (dstpp=0x1172b6e8, srcpp=0x11742c28, len=0) at ../sysdeps/generic/mempcpy.c:66 66 ../sysdeps/generic/mempcpy.c: No such file or directory. in ../sysdeps/generic/mempcpy.c #0 0x0ed55b60 in __mempcpy (dstpp=0x1172b6e8, srcpp=0x11742c28, len=0) at ../sysdeps/generic/mempcpy.c:66 #1 0x0ed1cb80 in msort_with_tmp (b=0x11742b48, n=36, s=32, cmp=0x102240f4 <CmpCtrl(void const*, void const*)>, t=0x1172b608 "") at msort.c:74 #2 0x0ed1cab8 in msort_with_tmp (b=0x11742b48, n=73, s=32, cmp=0x102240f4 <CmpCtrl(void const*, void const*)>, t=0x1172b608 "") at msort.c:49 #3 0x0ed1cad0 in msort_with_tmp (b=0x11742228, n=146, s=32, cmp=0x102240f4 <CmpCtrl(void const*, void const*)>, t=0x1172b608 "") at msort.c:50 #4 0x0ed1cad0 in msort_with_tmp (b=0x11741008, n=291, s=32, cmp=0x102240f4 <CmpCtrl(void const*, void const*)>, t=0x1172b608 "") at msort.c:50 #5 0x0ed1cab8 in msort_with_tmp (b=0x11741008, n=582, s=32, cmp=0x102240f4 <CmpCtrl(void const*, void const*)>, t=0x1172b608 "") at msort.c:49 #6 0x0ed1ccec in qsort (b=0x11741008, n=582, s=32, cmp=0x102240f4 <CmpCtrl(void const*, void const*)>) at msort.c:118 #7 0x102241f4 in text_holder::SortCtrl (this=0x113ace88) at libnrtype/FlowBoxes.cpp:341 #8 0x102254d0 in text_holder::ComputeBoxes (this=0x113ace88) at libnrtype/FlowBoxes.cpp:655 #9 0x102185f0 in flow_src::Prepare (this=0x113b5c98) at libnrtype/FlowSrc.cpp:119 #10 0x100dd2e0 in SPText::UpdateFlowSource (this=0x11361438) at sp-text.cpp:1433 #11 0x100ddf68 in sp_text_update (object=0x11361438, ctx=0x7fffd6c0, flags=11) at sp-text.cpp:501 #12 0x100c3b70 in SPObject::updateDisplay (this=0x11361438, ctx=0x7fffd6c0, flags=11) at sp-object.cpp:1019 #13 0x100b44f8 in sp_group_update (object=0x11361490, ctx=0x7fffd810, flags=0) at sp-item-group.cpp:240 #14 0x100c3b70 in SPObject::updateDisplay (this=0x10445438, ctx=0x7fffd810, flags=2) at sp-object.cpp:1019 #15 0x100b44f8 in sp_group_update (object=0x10445490, ctx=0x7fffd940, flags=0) at sp-item-group.cpp:240 #16 0x100d1a80 in sp_root_update (object=0x103f6cd0, ctx=0x7fffd948, flags=2) at sp-root.cpp:559 #17 0x100c3b70 in SPObject::updateDisplay (this=0x103f6cd0, ctx=0x7fffdb60, flags=2) at sp-object.cpp:1019 #18 0x100846ec in sp_document_ensure_up_to_date (doc=0x103bbc08) at document.cpp:638 #19 0x1010ed88 in sp_document_maybe_done (doc=0x103bbc08, key=0x0) at document-undo.cpp:98 #20 0x100f1f90 in sptc_commit (imc=0x1172b6e8, string=0x113b1de8 "e", tc=0x1135c750) at text-context.cpp:853 #21 0x0f156db8 in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__STRING (closure=0x11350700, return_value=0x11742c28, n_param_values=0, param_values=0x7fffddc0, invocation_hint=0x1172b608, marshal_data=0x0) at gmarshal.c:496 #22 0x0f13cff0 in g_closure_invoke (closure=0x113555a0, return_value=0x10350000, n_param_values=0, param_values=0x7fffddc0, invocation_hint=0x7fffdcf8) at gclosure.c:437 #23 0x0f154400 in signal_emit_unlocked_R (node=0x0, detail=0, instance=0x0, emission_return=0x113ace88, instance_and_params=0x7fffddc0) at gsignal.c:2485 #24 0x0f155994 in g_signal_emit_valist (instance=0x0, signal_id=2147474880, detail=2147474680, var_args=0x11350700) at gsignal.c:2244 #25 0x0f155be4 in g_signal_emit_by_name (instance=0x11350700, detailed_signal=0x7fffddc0 "\020;\2138") at gsignal.c:2312 #26 0x0f80fec8 in gtk_im_multicontext_commit_cb (slave=0x1172b6e8, str=0xed1cb80 "|\177\033x\177{Ã\024;Â½Ã¿Ã¿H", multicontext=0x0) at gtkimmulticontext.c:454 #27 0x0f156db8 in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__STRING (closure=0x11350700, return_value=0x11742c28, n_param_values=0, param_values=0x7fffddc0, invocation_hint=0x1172b608, marshal_data=0x0) at gmarshal.c:496 #28 0x0f13cff0 in g_closure_invoke (closure=0x113555a0, return_value=0x10350000, n_param_values=0, param_values=0x7fffddc0, invocation_hint=0x7fffdcf8) at gclosure.c:437 #29 0x0f154400 in signal_emit_unlocked_R (node=0x0, detail=0, instance=0x0, emission_return=0x113ace88, instance_and_params=0x7fffddc0) at gsignal.c:2485 #30 0x0f155994 in g_signal_emit_valist (instance=0x0, signal_id=2147474880, detail=2147474680, var_args=0x11350700) at gsignal.c:2244 #31 0x0f155be4 in g_signal_emit_by_name (instance=0x11350700, detailed_signal=0x7fffddc0 "\020;\2138") at gsignal.c:2312 #32 0x0f80dcec in gtk_im_context_simple_commit_char (context=0x7fffddc0, ch=288687872) at gtkimcontextsimple.c:1038 #33 0x0f80e3ec in gtk_im_context_simple_filter_keypress (context=0x0, event=0x0) at gtkimcontextsimple.c:1234 #34 0x0f80d108 in gtk_im_context_filter_keypress (context=0x7fffddc0, key=0x11350700) at gtkimcontext.c:317 #35 0x0f80faa8 in gtk_im_multicontext_filter_keypress (context=0x1172b6e8, event=0x11350700) at gtkimmulticontext.c:316 #36 0x0f80d108 in gtk_im_context_filter_keypress (context=0x113555a0, key=0x11337f58) at gtkimcontext.c:317 #37 0x100f123c in sp_text_context_root_handler (ec=0x113555a0, event=0x113555a0) at text-context.cpp:404 #38 0x10113dd4 in sp_event_context_root_handler (event_context=0x1135c750, event=0x11337f58) at event-context.cpp:687 #39 0x10102f10 in sp_desktop_root_handler (item=0x1172b6e8, event=0x11742c28, desktop=0x0) at desktop-events.cpp:56 #40 0x1020abc4 in sp_marshal_BOOLEAN__POINTER (closure=0xf5ecae0, return_value=0x7fffe9f0, n_param_values=0, param_values=0x10383fc0, invocation_hint=0x1172b608, marshal_data=0x0) at helper/sp-marshal.cpp:350 #41 0x0f13cff0 in g_closure_invoke (closure=0x108a2db8, return_value=0x7fffe9f0, n_param_values=0, param_values=0x7fffddc0, invocation_hint=0x7fffdcf8) at gclosure.c:437 #42 0x0f154400 in signal_emit_unlocked_R (node=0x0, detail=0, instance=0x0, emission_return=0x113ace88, instance_and_params=0x7fffddc0) at gsignal.c:2485 #43 0x0f15568c in g_signal_emit_valist (instance=0x1020ab14, signal_id=2147477336, detail=2147474680, var_args=0xffffffff) at gsignal.c:2254 #44 0x0f885adc in gtk_signal_emit (object=0x7fffe758, signal_id=4294967295) at gtksignal.c:360 #45 0x102046b8 in emit_event (canvas=0x7fffe758, event=0xf1889fc) at display/sp-canvas.cpp:1166 #46 0x0f830784 in _gtk_marshal_BOOLEAN__BOXED (closure=0xffffffff, return_value=0x7fffe9f0, n_param_values=0, param_values=0x7fffed00, invocation_hint=0x1172b608, marshal_data=0x108a2db8) at gtkmarshalers.c:83 #47 0x0f13d3b4 in g_type_class_meta_marshal (closure=0x7fffed00, return_value=0xffffffff, n_param_values=270576404, param_values=0x0, invocation_hint=0x7fffe9f0, marshal_data=0x108a2db8) at gclosure.c:514 #48 0x0f13cff0 in g_closure_invoke (closure=0x103b3ba8, return_value=0x7fffec50, n_param_values=2, param_values=0x7fffddc0, invocation_hint=0x7fffdcf8) at gclosure.c:437 #49 0x0f1546bc in signal_emit_unlocked_R (node=0x0, detail=0, instance=0x0, emission_return=0x113ace88, instance_and_params=0x7fffddc0) at gsignal.c:2523 #50 0x0f15568c in g_signal_emit_valist (instance=0xf13d338, signal_id=2147478584, detail=2147474680, var_args=0x0) at gsignal.c:2254 #51 0x0f155d6c in g_signal_emit (instance=0x1172b6e8, signal_id=292826152, detail=0) at gsignal.c:2288 #52 0x0f93e4a8 in gtk_widget_event_internal (widget=0x103b3ba8, event=0x0) at gtkwidget.c:3616 #53 0x0f94fad0 in gtk_window_propagate_key_event (window=0x103b3ba8, event=0xf13d338) at gtkwindow.c:4424 #54 0x0f954f6c in gtk_window_key_press_event (widget=0x0, event=0x7fffec38) at gtkwindow.c:4454 #55 0x0f830784 in _gtk_marshal_BOOLEAN__BOXED (closure=0x0, return_value=0x7fffec50, n_param_values=0, param_values=0x7fffec38, invocation_hint=0x1172b608, marshal_data=0x103b3ba8) at gtkmarshalers.c:83 #56 0x0f13d3b4 in g_type_class_meta_marshal (closure=0x7fffec38, return_value=0x0, n_param_values=252957496, param_values=0x2, invocation_hint=0x7fffec50, marshal_data=0x103b3ba8) at gclosure.c:514 #57 0x0f13cff0 in g_closure_invoke (closure=0x103b3ba8, return_value=0x7ffff120, n_param_values=2, param_values=0x7fffddc0, invocation_hint=0x7fffdcf8) at gclosure.c:437 #58 0x0f1546bc in signal_emit_unlocked_R (node=0x0, detail=0, instance=0x0, emission_return=0x113ace88, instance_and_params=0x7fffddc0) at gsignal.c:2523 #59 0x0f15568c in g_signal_emit_valist (instance=0xf13d338, signal_id=2147479816, detail=2147474680, var_args=0xffffffff) at gsignal.c:2254 #60 0x0f155d6c in g_signal_emit (instance=0x1172b6e8, signal_id=292826152, detail=0) at gsignal.c:2288 #61 0x0f93e4a8 in gtk_widget_event_internal (widget=0x103b3ba8, event=0xffffffff) at gtkwidget.c:3616 #62 0x0f82e554 in gtk_propagate_event (widget=0x7ffff108, event=0xf13d338) at gtkmain.c:2119 #63 0x0f82e884 in gtk_main_do_event (event=0x103b3ba8) at gtkmain.c:1383 #64 0x0f5a2350 in gdk_event_dispatch (source=0x1172b6e8, callback=0x11742c28, user_data=0x0) at gdkevents-x11.c:2218 #65 0x0f061bf0 in g_main_context_dispatch (context=0x103b3ba8) at gmain.c:1947 #66 0x0f063d10 in g_main_context_iterate (context=0xffffffff, block=2147474680, dispatch=0, self=0x102240f4) at gmain.c:2578 #67 0x0f064130 in g_main_loop_run (loop=0x7ffff108) at gmain.c:2782 #68 0x0f82d7c0 in gtk_main () at gtkmain.c:963 #69 0x0fcacc18 in Gtk::Main::run_impl (this=0x1172b6e8) at main.cc:470 #70 0x0fcac9fc in Gtk::Main::run () at main.cc:417 #71 0x10082d24 in sp_main_gui (argc=2147471328, argv=0xed1cb80) at main.cpp:378 #72 0x1008300c in main (argc=1, argv=0x7ffff7a4) at main.cpp:305 The program is running. Exit anyway? (y or n) ralf

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translated win32 installer
by Adib Taraben 14 Mar '05

14 Mar '05

Hi, I did some work on the .nsi for the win32 installer. I included a german translation. It should be very simple to add more languages. All the strings (5 per language) are in the .nsi file. Attached the new .nsi file and a diff against the current cvs. HTH, Adib. cvs diff -u inkscape.nsi (in directory D:\projekte\inkscape\) Index: inkscape.nsi =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/inkscape/inkscape/inkscape.nsi,v retrieving revision 1.10 diff -u -r1.10 inkscape.nsi --- inkscape.nsi 12 Feb 2005 17:44:35 -0000 1.10 +++ inkscape.nsi 12 Mar 2005 23:32:39 -0000 @@ -41,14 +41,28 @@ ; Language files !insertmacro MUI_LANGUAGE "English" +!insertmacro MUI_LANGUAGE "German" ; MUI end ------ +; English strings +LangString lng_Caption ${LANG_ENGLISH} "${PRODUCT_NAME} -- Open Source Scalable Vector Graphics Editor" +LangString lng_Editor ${LANG_ENGLISH} "Do you want $(^Name) to be the default SVG editor?" +LangString lng_Reader ${LANG_ENGLISH} "Do you want $(^Name) to be the default SVG reader?" +LangString lng_Removed ${LANG_ENGLISH} "$(^Name) was successfully removed from your computer." +LangString lng_Uninstall ${LANG_ENGLISH} "Are you sure you want to completely remove $(^Name) and all of its components?" + +; German strings +LangString lng_Caption ${LANG_GERMAN} "${PRODUCT_NAME} -- Open Source SVG-Vektorillustrator" +LangString lng_Editor ${LANG_GERMAN} "Wollen Sie $(^Name) zu Ihrem standardm��igem Bearbeitungsprogramm f�r SVG machen?" +LangString lng_Reader ${LANG_GERMAN} "Wollen Sie $(^Name) zu Ihrem standardm��igem Anzeigeprogramm f�r SVG machen?" +LangString lng_Removed ${LANG_GERMAN} "$(^Name) wurde erfolgreich von Ihrem Computer entfernt." +LangString lng_Uninstall ${LANG_GERMAN} "M�chten Sie $(^Name) und alle seine Komponenten von Ihrem Rechner entfernen?" Name "${PRODUCT_NAME} ${PRODUCT_VERSION}" -Caption "${PRODUCT_NAME} -- Open Source Scalable Vector Graphics Editor" +Caption $(lng_Caption) OutFile "Inkscape-${PRODUCT_VERSION}-1.win32.exe" InstallDir "$PROGRAMFILES\Inkscape" InstallDirRegKey HKLM "${PRODUCT_DIR_REGKEY}" "" @@ -72,14 +86,14 @@ Section -Post WriteUninstaller "$INSTDIR\uninst.exe" - MessageBox MB_YESNO|MB_ICONQUESTION "Do you want Inkscape to be the default SVG editor?" IDNO NoEditor + MessageBox MB_YESNO|MB_ICONQUESTION $(lng_Editor) IDNO NoEditor WriteRegStr HKCR ".svg" "" "svgfile" WriteRegStr HKCR ".svgz" "" "svgfile" WriteRegStr HKCR "svgfile" "" "Scalable Vector Graphics file" WriteRegStr HKCR "svgfile\shell\edit\command" "" '$INSTDIR\Inkscape.exe "%1"' NoEditor: - MessageBox MB_YESNO|MB_ICONQUESTION "Do you want Inkscape to be the default SVG reader?" IDNO NoReader + MessageBox MB_YESNO|MB_ICONQUESTION $(lng_Reader) IDNO NoReader WriteRegStr HKCR ".svg" "" "svgfile" WriteRegStr HKCR ".svgz" "" "svgfile" WriteRegStr HKCR "svgfile" "" "Scalable Vector Graphics file" @@ -87,14 +101,13 @@ NoReader: SectionEnd - Function un.onUninstSuccess HideWindow - MessageBox MB_ICONINFORMATION|MB_OK "$(^Name) was successfully removed from your computer." + MessageBox MB_ICONINFORMATION|MB_OK $(lng_Removed) FunctionEnd Function un.onInit - MessageBox MB_ICONQUESTION|MB_YESNO|MB_DEFBUTTON2 "Are you sure you want to completely remove $(^Name) and all of its components?" IDYES +2 + MessageBox MB_ICONQUESTION|MB_YESNO|MB_DEFBUTTON2 $(lng_Uninstall) IDYES +2 Abort FunctionEnd ; ####################################### ; Inkscape NSIS installer project file ; Used as of 0.40 ; ####################################### ; ####################################### ; DEFINES ; ####################################### !define PRODUCT_NAME "Inkscape" !define PRODUCT_VERSION "0.41+cvs" !define PRODUCT_PUBLISHER "Inkscape Organization" !define PRODUCT_WEB_SITE "http://www.inkscape.org" !define PRODUCT_DIR_REGKEY "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths\inkscape.exe" !define PRODUCT_UNINST_KEY "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\${PRODUCT_NAME}" !define PRODUCT_UNINST_ROOT_KEY "HKLM" ; ####################################### ; MUI SETTINGS ; ####################################### ; MUI 1.67 compatible ------ !include "MUI.nsh" !define MUI_ABORTWARNING !define MUI_ICON "${NSISDIR}\Contrib\Graphics\Icons\modern-install.ico" !define MUI_UNICON "${NSISDIR}\Contrib\Graphics\Icons\modern-uninstall.ico" ; Welcome page !insertmacro MUI_PAGE_WELCOME ; License page !define MUI_LICENSEPAGE_RADIOBUTTONS !insertmacro MUI_PAGE_LICENSE "Copying" ; Directory page !insertmacro MUI_PAGE_DIRECTORY ; Instfiles page !insertmacro MUI_PAGE_INSTFILES ; Finish page !define MUI_FINISHPAGE_RUN "$INSTDIR\inkscape.exe" !insertmacro MUI_PAGE_FINISH ; Uninstaller pages !insertmacro MUI_UNPAGE_INSTFILES ; Language files !insertmacro MUI_LANGUAGE "English" !insertmacro MUI_LANGUAGE "German" ; MUI end ------ ; English strings LangString lng_Caption ${LANG_ENGLISH} "${PRODUCT_NAME} -- Open Source Scalable Vector Graphics Editor" LangString lng_Editor ${LANG_ENGLISH} "Do you want $(^Name) to be the default SVG editor?" LangString lng_Reader ${LANG_ENGLISH} "Do you want $(^Name) to be the default SVG reader?" LangString lng_Removed ${LANG_ENGLISH} "$(^Name) was successfully removed from your computer." LangString lng_Uninstall ${LANG_ENGLISH} "Are you sure you want to completely remove $(^Name) and all of its components?" ; German strings LangString lng_Caption ${LANG_GERMAN} "${PRODUCT_NAME} -- Open Source SVG-Vektorillustrator" LangString lng_Editor ${LANG_GERMAN} "Wollen Sie $(^Name) zu Ihrem standardm��igem Bearbeitungsprogramm f�r SVG machen?" LangString lng_Reader ${LANG_GERMAN} "Wollen Sie $(^Name) zu Ihrem standardm��igem Anzeigeprogramm f�r SVG machen?" LangString lng_Removed ${LANG_GERMAN} "$(^Name) wurde erfolgreich von Ihrem Computer entfernt." LangString lng_Uninstall ${LANG_GERMAN} "M�chten Sie $(^Name) und alle seine Komponenten von Ihrem Rechner entfernen?" Name "${PRODUCT_NAME} ${PRODUCT_VERSION}" Caption $(lng_Caption) OutFile "Inkscape-${PRODUCT_VERSION}-1.win32.exe" InstallDir "$PROGRAMFILES\Inkscape" InstallDirRegKey HKLM "${PRODUCT_DIR_REGKEY}" "" ShowInstDetails show ShowUnInstDetails show Section "MainSection" SEC01 SetOutPath "$INSTDIR" SetOverwrite ifnewer File /a /r "inkscape\*.*" CreateDirectory "$SMPROGRAMS\Inkscape" CreateShortCut "$SMPROGRAMS\Inkscape\Inkscape.lnk" "$INSTDIR\inkscape.exe" CreateShortCut "$DESKTOP\Inkscape.lnk" "$INSTDIR\inkscape.exe" SectionEnd Section -AdditionalIcons CreateShortCut "$SMPROGRAMS\Inkscape\Uninstall Inkscape.lnk" "$INSTDIR\uninst.exe" SectionEnd Section -Post WriteUninstaller "$INSTDIR\uninst.exe" MessageBox MB_YESNO|MB_ICONQUESTION $(lng_Editor) IDNO NoEditor WriteRegStr HKCR ".svg" "" "svgfile" WriteRegStr HKCR ".svgz" "" "svgfile" WriteRegStr HKCR "svgfile" "" "Scalable Vector Graphics file" WriteRegStr HKCR "svgfile\shell\edit\command" "" '$INSTDIR\Inkscape.exe "%1"' NoEditor: MessageBox MB_YESNO|MB_ICONQUESTION $(lng_Reader) IDNO NoReader WriteRegStr HKCR ".svg" "" "svgfile" WriteRegStr HKCR ".svgz" "" "svgfile" WriteRegStr HKCR "svgfile" "" "Scalable Vector Graphics file" WriteRegStr HKCR "svgfile\shell\open\command" "" '$INSTDIR\Inkscape.exe "%1"' NoReader: SectionEnd Function un.onUninstSuccess HideWindow MessageBox MB_ICONINFORMATION|MB_OK $(lng_Removed) FunctionEnd Function un.onInit MessageBox MB_ICONQUESTION|MB_YESNO|MB_DEFBUTTON2 $(lng_Uninstall) IDYES +2 Abort FunctionEnd Section Uninstall Delete "$DESKTOP\Inkscape.lnk" Delete "$SMPROGRAMS\Inkscape\Uninstall Inkscape.lnk" Delete "$SMPROGRAMS\Inkscape\Inkscape.lnk" RMDir "$SMPROGRAMS\Inkscape" RMDir /r "$INSTDIR" SetAutoClose true SectionEnd

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Re: New GUI projects
by Diego González 14 Mar '05

14 Mar '05

>* Commandline options > > Implement code that takes argc,argv, parses it via popt, and stores it > in a member of Inkscape::Application::Application in > src/application/application.cpp. If you"ve not used popt before, > here"s a handy PDF on it: http://www.rpm.org/local/popt.pdf > > The current option handling code is in main.cpp, but is kind of > hackish so feel free to redesign it a bit. Glib 2.6 has a new API to address this need, if you're going to use glibmm the new API (GOption) is wrapped.

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Freehand drawing tool
by Bryce Harrington 14 Mar '05

14 Mar '05

There'd been some comments about the quality of the Inkscape drawing tool compared with Sodipodi. I experimented around a bit with both. I see what they mean, but it's difficult to quantify the issue. Inkscape's drawing tool "feels" snappier, it doesn't lag like Sodipodi, and it produces lines smoothly, but it just doesn't "feel" right. I can't draw worth beansy, but I could see the difference when I tried writing my name: http://bryceharrington.com/freehand_drawing.png Try signing your name with the two apps and see if you notice a difference. Bryce

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extensions usability
by unknown＠example.com 14 Mar '05

14 Mar '05

We need to rethink this approach to warning about unloaded extensions. It seems to be causing a LOT of confusion amongst our user community, of which the below is representative. At the very least the dialog needs some text explaining the implications for the users so they don't jump to the conclusion that Inkscape is broken. ----- Forwarded message from "Robert C. Smith" <rcsthrax@...106...> ----- Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 13:51:27 -0700 From: "Robert C. Smith" <rcsthrax@...106...> Reply-To: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] autopackage To: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net "One or more extensions failed to load The failed extensions have been skipped. Inkscape will continue to run normally but those extensions will be unavailable." Wayne...I plan to run dual-boot but had problems loading Mandrake which I am investigating. The above shows that the Windows load of Inkscape HAS PROBLEMS and that this isn't just an open-source distribution issue. I would appreciate that this fact be recognized as discussion proceeds. I am new to open-source except for the Gimp. What is an "extension?" What are the implications of lacking an extension? What is new in .41 which would provoke this error message? (The situation is independent of service packs.) ....RCs On 9 Mar 2005 at 9:37, wayne wrote: > On Wednesday 09 March 2005 07:03 am, oisin feeley wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:10:46 -1000, wayne <iw@...131...> wrote: > > > Just installed inkscape 0.41 with autopackage. When I open it, I > > > get a message saying that one or more extensions failed to load. > > > > I get that message too and it doesn't appear to affect running > > inkscape-0.41, so you may be able to discount it from your > > debugging. Examining the file ~/.inkscape/extension-errors.log shows > > the following. > > > > Extension "Sketch Input" failed to load because a dependency was not > > met. Dependency:: > > type: executable > > location: path > > string: skconvert > > > > Extension "Postscript Input" failed to load because a dependency was > > not met. Dependency:: > > type: extension > > location: path > > string: org.inkscape.input.sk > > > > Extension "Postscript Input" failed to load because a dependency was > > not met. Dependency:: > > type: executable > > location: path > > string: pstoedit > > > > Extension "AI Output" failed to load because a dependency was not > > met. Dependency:: > > type: executable > > location: path > > string: pstoedit > > Extension "EPS Input" failed to load because a dependency was not > > met. Dependency:: > > type: extension > > location: path > > string: org.inkscape.input.ps > > > > Oisin > > 0.4.1 doesn't run at all after the "one or more extensions failed to > load" error window. I end up with the command line error message > about: > > SCIM: im_module_init > > > free(): invalid pointer 0x9453670! > > > free(): invalid pointer 0x9453650! > > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > > Wayne > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real > users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start > reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > _______________________________________________ Inkscape-user mailing > list Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user ----- End forwarded message -----

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New GUI projects
by Bryce Harrington 14 Mar '05

14 Mar '05

Here are some areas where help is needed in the new gui code. If you'd like to help, pick anything off this list that looks interesting and have at it. * Transformation dialog. There's some bits of code that are currently commented out because they depended on inkscape internals that weren't available while inkscape_gtkmm was separate. With the code integrated, these can now be hooked up. Uncomment something, recompile, and fix any errors that occur. * src/ui/dialog/dialog.cpp. Search for 'TODO'. A lot of little leftover things that need to be reviewed/implemented/fixed. Pick something that looks interesting. * Hook in the canvas. I assume there's something in the existing codebase we can just link up to, but don't know what that'd be. In any case, there's a stub for it in src/application/editor-impl.cpp called initSvgCanvas(). * Implement preferences loading/saving. In src/application/application.cpp, implement the functions Application::loadPreferences() and Application::savePreferences. For reference, the current preferences code is in inkscape.cpp. * Commandline options Implement code that takes argc,argv, parses it via popt, and stores it in a member of Inkscape::Application::Application in src/application/application.cpp. If you've not used popt before, here's a handy PDF on it: http://www.rpm.org/local/popt.pdf The current option handling code is in main.cpp, but is kind of hackish so feel free to redesign it a bit. * Finish (re-)implementation of Inkscape Preferences dialog. Car Hetherington did much of the work of gtkmmifying the preferences dialog, but it's diverged from mainline. Also, there was some thought put into reimplementing it, so if you feel ambitious, go ahead and rework the dialog to fit the new design. * Gtkmmify the Statusbar. This should hook in to src/application/editor-impl.cpp in the initStatusbar() routine. The current code for the statusbar is in desktop.cpp. Start by looking at SPDesktop::_set_status_message, then search on 'statusbar' and 'select_status'. I *think* what is needed is to implement a new class Inkscape::UI::Widget::Statusbar that subclasses Gtk::Statusbar and adds the Inkscape-specific functionality we need, but that's just a rough guess; I haven't put much thought into it so if you know a better approach, go for it. The above tasks are what we need most desperately right now, but I think if we can get these items done, that will move us a *huge* step forward. I'd love the help, and if you have any questions on any of it, let me know. Bryce

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Gtkmm updates
by Bryce Harrington 14 Mar '05

14 Mar '05

I've just checked in a few improvements to the gtkmm code: * Added support for share/ui to path-prefix.h and removed all hardcoded paths in the gtkmm code. You should now be able to run inkscape --new-gui with inkscape installed in either /usr or /usr/local without issue. * Integrated the new Transformation dialog. Looks much like the original one, but is implemented in gtkmm instead of gtk. This dialog is intended to serve as a complete working example of a gtkmmified dialog. * Added a bunch of individual icons to share/icons/. This is a mix of .svg and .xpms. This should probably be redone. We now prefer having all icons as svg, and having all of the icons in 'icons.svg' instead of as individual files. These files were done like this simply because in the separated inkscape_gtkmm codebase we of course did not have access to the inkscape renderer; now that the code is integrated, it would be a good project for someone to replace these temporary implementations with use of the inkscape renderer. Bryce

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