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[Reminder] Join Us to Discuss Marketing Inkscape - In 2 Hours
by Ryan Gorley 20 Jun '17

20 Jun '17

Just a reminder to all about this meeting in just over *2 hours *(20:00 GMT): - Online: https://inkscape.org/en/*developer/chat/ - IRC: irc://chat.freenode.net/#inkscape-devel I look forward to meeting you all there! On Jun 17, 2017 8:37 PM, "Victor Westmann" <victor.westmann@...400...> wrote: > No worries! > > We're all team! :) > > Victor Westmann > On Jun 17, 2017 6:07 PM, "Arlo Barnes" <arlo.barnes@...400...> wrote: > >> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Victor Westmann < >> victor.westmann@...400...> wrote: >> >>> I was just trying to help publicize this Inkscape meeting even further. >>> >>> That is good! And I did not mean to diminish that, I was just curious. >> Thanks, >> —Arlo >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-user mailing list >> Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-user mailing list > Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user > >

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Helpful Facebook page reporting
by Robert Sterbal 19 Jun '17

19 Jun '17

Here is a screen print regarding the last 5 posts to the inkscape facebook page: Is there a preferred way to report this? Thanks, Robert Sterbal robert@...3541... 412-977-3526 call/text

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How to change visible selections in EnumParam
by Michael Soegtrop 19 Jun '17

19 Jun '17

Dear Inkscape Team, my bool op LPE has classical bool operations suitable for closed paths and line cutting operations suitable for one open and one closed path. I wanted to adjust the options shown in the EnumParam depending on the path type, but couldn't find out how. Also it would be interesting to know if there is way to know when the path in a PathParam is set, because at this point I need to adjust the options shown. Otherwise I would make the decision on the main path and always require that the operand path is closed (and give a warning if not). Or do you think it makes more sense to have two LPEs, one classical bool LPE which only works for closed paths and one path trimming LPE to trim sets of open paths with a closed path. I think separating the two might be more obvious to the user. Best regards, Michael

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] How to change visible selections in EnumParam
by Jabier Arraiza 19 Jun '17

19 Jun '17

hi: On Sun, 2017-06-18 at 16:54 +0200, Michael Soegtrop wrote: > Dear Inkscape Team, > > my bool op LPE has classical bool operations suitable for closed > paths > and line cutting operations suitable for one open and one closed > path. I > wanted to adjust the options shown in the EnumParam depending on the > path type, but couldn't find out how. Also it would be interesting to > know if there is way to know when the path in a PathParam is set, > because at this point I need to adjust the options shown. Otherwise I > would make the decision on the main path and always require that the > operand path is closed (and give a warning if not). You need a header var "Geom:Pathvector older_pv" asigning it in the end of "do_before effect" and finaly compare it with current path You also need the definition of the header put the select widget to be available in all LPE, for this you redefine the "effect::widget" like in a lot of effects, perspective envelope, Laticce 2.... > Or do you think it makes more sense to have two LPEs, one classical > bool > LPE which only works for closed paths and one path trimming LPE to > trim > sets of open paths with a closed path. I think separating the two > might > be more obvious to the user. Not sure [UX] team? > Best regards, > > Michael Chers

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Some help needed with making operand path invisible in bool op LPE
by Michael Soegtrop 17 Jun '17

17 Jun '17

Dear Inkscape Team, with my recent pull request, the bool op LPE should work properly. A few notes / questions: 1.) The operand (other) path is not made invisible. I typically have my operand paths in an invisible layer. Is this ok, or should the bool op LPE make the operand path invisible? If so, I wonder how this could be done. The main problem is that I have no idea how I could re-enable the operand path when the bool op LPE is disabled (with the eye button in the bool op list). As far as I can tell, the bool-op code doesn't run at all when the bool-op is disabled, only when it is enabled. Or should I change the bool op so that it works on groups of paths (as created with Ctrl+K)? This would obviously solve the problem, but then I would need a grouping LPE, because one of my operand paths is typically a result of an LPE stack, while the other isn't 2.) The cut boolops only make sense if one path is an open path and one path is a closed path. Should I disable the cut options, if this is not the case? How can I detect this? 3.) The LPE only works on paths, not on objects. Is this ok? I guess this is the case for all LPE. 4.) The LPE has options for the fill type (odd-even, non-zero, positive). For the operand path (the other path) I can find out the inherent fill type of the path. The problem is somehow that the fill type is stored in SPItem objects, but the LPEs operator on SPCurve. The closest point upstream in the call stack is SPLPEItem::performPathEffect, but the SpItem is not passed down the the specific LPE code. Any ideas? Btw.: fill type negative would be nice to have. Best regards, Michael

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Marketing/Advocacy/Outreach Team - Proposed Objectives
by Ryan Gorley 17 Jun '17

17 Jun '17

As perhaps a primer to forming a new team to serve the Inkscape project, I would put forward for discussion the following *objectives* for such a team: 1. *Increasing the project's contributor base,* as measured by code commits, non-technical contributions, cash contributions, etc. 2. *Improving the market position of Inkscape*, as measured by user and target-user opinion studies, favorable press coverage, increased usage, etc. 3. *Increasing community loyalty and engagement*, as measured by participation in physical meetups, online discussions, social sharing, etc. Finding consensus about objectives seems more productive at this stage than strategy and tactics. I'd love to hear what you all think or would add/remove/edit. *(Bryce: I had this largely written prior to your response to the other thread, so feel free to steer this conversation in a different direction if you wish)*

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Social Media Management
by Robert Sterbal 17 Jun '17

17 Jun '17

I'm interested in helping with the social media management of the project. I didn't see who to contact to help with social media on this link: https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/to-do-list/ Who do I ask, and how do I contact them? Thanks, Robert Sterbal robert@...3541... 412-977-3526 call/text

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Join Us to Discuss Marketing Inkscape
by Ryan Gorley 17 Jun '17

17 Jun '17

If you're interested in volunteering your time and talent to help promote Inkscape, join us on the Freenode #inkscape-devel IRC channel ( https://inkscape.org/en/*developer/chat/), next *Tuesday 20 June @ 20:00 GMT*. This will be an informal meet-and-greet and a chance to take an inventory of who is interested and what experience we can bring together to spread the word about this amazing project. If you can't make it but wish to be involved, don't worry, we'll also organize a follow-up meeting in July. I look forward to meeting you all there! Ryan Gorley @ Dijt <https://dijt.co/>

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svg-2 text gsoc project?
by Boudewijn Rempt 15 Jun '17

15 Jun '17

Hi, We're currently working really hard to improve interoperability between inkscape and Krita by rewriting all our vector support to svg. We're also doing a new text object, based on svg instead of odg. So we're really interested in following along the 2017 svg-2 text gsoc project to see what we can learn. Is there already a branch and a wiki page for this project we can follow? -- Boudewijn Rempt | http://www.krita.org, http://www.valdyas.org

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CI timeout for merge request
by Maximilian Gaukler 14 Jun '17

14 Jun '17

Hi, as I saw you are migrating to gitlab, I wanted to submit a merge request for a patch I already proposed on launchpad. Unfortunately, the build takes way longer than the 1 hour timeout and therefore all my commits are flagged as "build failed": https://gitlab.com/mgmax/inkscape/builds/18388005 The first run made it to 77%, the second run to 39% of the build :-( Greetings, Max

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Git submodule policy / address sanitizer
by Michael Soegtrop 14 Jun '17

14 Jun '17

Dear Inkscape Team, since gitlib is up and running, the question arizes if we want to use submodules, and if so which folder structure should we use. I want to add address / memory sanitizer support and use https://github.com/arsenm/sanitizers-cmake. It is just a few files and I could copy them verbatim, but it would make sense to add it as a submodule. In case you don't know what address/memory sanitizer is: it creates instrumented builds (about 2x slower) which check for all sorts of invalid memory usage, like access to freed memory or reading uninitialized variables. The cmake scripts above enable this by a cmake define, similar to switching between debug and release builds. In my experience it saves a lot of time in tracking down obscure bugs in complex C++ code. I right now have a debug/release deviation I want to track down. Best regards, Michael

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[GitLab Migration] Make old repository read-only
by Eduard Braun 14 Jun '17

14 Jun '17

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GitLab Issues Tracker
by Martin Owens 14 Jun '17

14 Jun '17

Dear Bug hunters and Developers, GitLab contact Connor Shea has asked us what we might need in the GitLab issues tracker to consider using it as our bug tracker instead of launchpad. After talking with su_v and bryce on IRC, I've drafted this possible email detailing some of the issues: https://inkscape.org/en/paste/11094/ We need your input too, if there are things that the launchpad system does, or even if there are things you wish it did but GitLab could do. Or if there are specific issues with the GitLab user interface. We can detail them here and send them to GitLab. I've love specifically to hear more from Mc and jazzynico as they've done a lot of bug work. Thanks for your help. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Social Media Management
by Ryan Gorley 13 Jun '17

13 Jun '17

http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php Ryan Gorley @ Dijt <https://dijt.co/> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Robert@...3541... <rsterbal@...714...> wrote: > Do you have a link to the forum? > > On Jun 13, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Ryan Gorley <ryan@...3508...> wrote: > > I'll put forward that we meet at either 13:00 or 20:00 GMT on the Tuesday > 6/20 on either IRC Freenode #inkscape-devel channel or > https://meet.jit.si/inkscape. > > I'm open to alternative times. If we need to we could have an asynchronous > meeting on the forum as well. > > > Ryan Gorley @ Dijt <https://dijt.co/> > > On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Bryce Harrington < > bryce@...961...> wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 03:29:35AM -0600, brynn wrote: >> > I'm also of the opinion that many users feel ignored. Even though >> Inkscape >> > is provided to them for free, many people like to feel some kind of >> > ownership, or partnership (can't think of the right word that I want to >> use >> > here). They want to feel like they have a stake in the program or >> project. >> > For 2 or 3 years now, I've been trying to keep forums "in the loop". >> But >> > not being a social media participant, I can't do much there. >> > >> > In any case, I'm glad that you want to step in and help in this way. >> I've >> > saved your address, so that whenever Bryce is ready to extend >> invitations >> > again, for starting the advocacy group, you'll get the message. >> >> If people are interested in getting organized now, that's really the >> only piece that's been missing. And I've noticed some interest in >> outreach efforts bubbling stronger lately, so maybe the time's ripe? I >> was thinking a get together type meeting would be a fun way to kick >> things off, and just get to know everyone; if that sounds like it'd be >> useful why don't you guys suggest a place and time? >> >> I don't have fixed ideas for what the group would do, but it's been very >> evident that we have some deep needs in this department, and Inkscape >> needs an official team chartered to address them. >> >> > It will be AWESOME to get this group going! >> >> You guys should also decide what you want to call yourselves. We've >> kicked around "marketing", "advocacy", "outreach", and more, but I >> figure it would be a good decision for the team to make for itself. >> >> > Did you see Bryce's message listing all the people who are involved >> with the >> > various outlets? It's just a few messages above this one, in my inbox >> (if >> > that helps you to find it). It was sent to the list, without any >> specific >> > people addressed. (So maybe is somewhere else in your inbox?) >> > >> > I think probably you can find the email addresses for all of them, in >> this >> > devel list. Here's the archives, in case some of them haven't posted >> since >> > you joined. You can get their addresses from there: >> > https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/inkscape-devel/ >> >> Robert mentioned he's also working on assembling a list of outlets. >> >> There may be interest to tap in adding more; on the facebook group today >> someone asked about an official youtube channel. I'm sure there's no >> shortage of great ideas, as Brynn said the trick will be recruiting and >> building a solid team and nailing down some solid plans. >> >> Bryce >> >> > All best, >> > brynn >> > >> > -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sterbal >> > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 8:26 PM >> > To: Ryan Gorley ; robert@...3541... >> > Cc: brynn ; Martin Owens ; Inkscape Devel List >> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Social Media Management >> > >> > >> > >> > My sense is that users feel left out of the community. What is helpful >> is to >> > reach out to them, natively to the platforms they are on. Twitter, >> Facebook >> > and Google have very different voices. Putting out some content on a >> regular >> > basis and measuring engagement is a good step for any project. >> > >> > Again, all the references to actually projects are somewhat vague. Who >> works >> > with Facebook? How do I contact them? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > >> > Robert Sterbal >> > robert@...3541... >> > 412-977-3526 call/text >> > >> > On 6/12/2017 1:33 PM, Ryan Gorley wrote: >> > >> > Facebook is probably the easiest platform to have Robert contribute to, >> > since you just need to make him an editor to the page. Through >> TweetDeck we >> > can accomplish essentially the same thing with Twitter through account >> > contributors, though it is going to require a little setup (no cost) >> from >> > someone with the admin login. Google allows for editors on pages, like >> > Facebook does (I haven't tried on a community yet, but I'm sure it is >> > essentially the same). LinkedIn and DeviantArt probably need to be >> addressed >> > a little differently, and can be a topic for a different discussion. >> > >> > Is the facilitation of contributors to the social platforms and the >> creation >> > of a messaging strategy a good first task for the yet-to-be-created >> Inkscape >> > marketing team? >> > >> > >> > >> > Ryan Gorley @ Dijt >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 5:24 AM, Robert Sterbal <rsterbal@...714...> >> wrote: >> > That would be fine. >> > >> > This project has great resources and helping people find them would be >> the >> > main focus of the effort right now. >> > >> > I'd be happy to help with the project. >> > >> > Please note that it is not recommended practice in social media for >> only one >> > person to know the login credentials of any single social media >> presence. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Robert Sterbal >> > robert@...3541... >> > 412-977-3526 call/text >> > >> > >> > On 6/12/2017 4:23 AM, brynn wrote: >> > Hi Robert, >> > I don't use social media myself. But I certainly recognize the >> value >> > to a project like this. I have the impression, from the posts we get >> now >> > and then (in both forums and mailing lists), that there doesn't seem to >> be >> > anyone participating on a daily (or even just regular) basis, making >> sure >> > connections get made, questions answered, rumors squashed, etc. I >> think one >> > person holds the accounts (as Martin mentioned), but doesn't have time >> for >> > the day to day management. >> > >> > I do know there is (at least) one FB group which has been fairly >> > active lately, holding drawing contests or challenges. I could look up >> a >> > link to it, if you need it. Although you probably already know about >> it. >> > >> > One thing that's in the plans, is an advocacy group or team, which >> > would make sure all the various necessary announcements get made, >> through >> > all the project's web outlets. And as well, it would probably manage >> some >> > outreach or "marketing" plans (in quotes, since there's no "buying or >> > selling"). >> > >> > I'm hoping we can get that going as soon as the activity after >> > hackfest calms down. Would you be interested in being on that team? Or >> > even if you could just be the team's contact person for social media, it >> > would be a big help. I can't say for sure, since we haven't organized >> yet, >> > but probably the team would create small announcements, and send them >> to you >> > to post. >> > >> > Thanks for your offer to help! Let us know if you're interested >> in the >> > advocacy group, and at what level :-) >> > >> > All best, >> > brynn >> > >> > -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sterbal >> > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 9:59 PM >> > To: Martin Owens ; robert@...3541... ; Inkscape-devel@...142... >> ge.net >> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Social Media Management >> > >> > My main expertise is in Facebook groups. I co-admin a group with 19,000 >> > people about a TV show. I moderate a group for an iOS developer with >> > about 70 people in it. I've used social media since the 1990s and I >> > really enjoy connecting users to each other and to relevant resources >> > about their interests. >> > >> > I'd be happy to help organize your efforts. I'm a big fan of documenting >> > resources. >> > >> > Thanks for your reply, >> > >> > Robert Sterbal >> > robert@...3541... >> > 412-977-3526 call/text >> > >> > On 6/11/2017 11:13 PM, Martin Owens wrote: >> > Hi Robert, >> > >> > It's great to hear from you and your help with social media. >> > >> > Our working document for tracking project resources is here: >> > >> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kilt4tm1KDCNysd5oy5M5wJnCCS45fq >> > a7VIoEyBl090/edit#gid=0 >> > >> > The social media list as you can see is a bit all over the >> > place. scislac has the most keys, but I'm hoping we can get more people >> > involved and get a process for news propergation and the reverse (from >> > social media to project) >> > >> > Which parts are you most interested in helping with? Are you interested >> > in working with me to make sure we have project wide admin access to >> > these accounts? >> > >> > Best Regards, Martin Owens >> > >> > On Sun, 2017-06-11 at 22:32 -0400, Robert Sterbal wrote: >> > I'm interested in helping with the social media management of the >> > project. >> > I didn't see who to contact to help with social media on this link: h >> > ttps://inkscape.org/en/contribute/to-do-list/ >> > Who do I ask, and how do I contact them? >> > Thanks, >> > Robert Sterbal >> > robert@...3541... >> > 412-977-3526 call/text >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ----------- >> > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Inkscape-devel mailing list >> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> > >> > --- >> > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> > http://www.avg.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Inkscape-devel mailing list >> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Inkscape-devel mailing list >> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> > >> > >> > >> > Virus-free. www.avg.com >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Inkscape-devel mailing list >> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> > >

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Hackfest testing
by Jabier Arraiza 13 Jun '17

13 Jun '17

Hi all. I need information to could help at the hackfest goal "Testing". Never do tetings in C++ and I want to work more group based than usual. Cheers, Jabier.

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announce hackfest? (advocacy group/team?)
by brynn 13 Jun '17

13 Jun '17

Hi Friends, Should we put up an announcement about the upcoming hackfest, on the website and forums? (I realize it's already been announced on mailing list.) I found this page: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Hackfest2017 But it doesn't give the agenda - only where attendees will meet each day. (The Hackfest Topics page isn't written yet.) If someone can give me, if not agenda, just a short list of potential topics, I can write up a quick News item for the website. Something more than just - fix bugs, stability, and infrastructure - if possible? (And I'll also make forum posts.) Apparently we don't need donations so much this time. But (announcing) it would still be an opportunity to keep the user community more involved -- even if all they can do is read about it. Speaking of announcing, should we take another shot at creating an advocacy group or team? Maybe after the hackfest activity is over? Late July - August-ish? All best, brynn

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] I would like to speak to the person who compiled and uploaded Inkscape to the Windows Store
by brynn 13 Jun '17

13 Jun '17

I think I see the problem. I don't know why I never noticed it before, but there's an unclipped blur (or 2 or 3), which must be intentional, in the official logo. https://inkscape.org/en/~inkscape/%E2%98%85inkscape-official-logo-vector I don't know if it's a rumor, but someone mentioned the MS site doesn't handle that partial transparency very well. And it certainly appears as if that were the problem, by how the logo looks there. (It's not uncommon. I've seen a lot of sites like that. ImageShack, for example.) If this would solve the problem, I've created a version of the logo with a clip path, so that the blur isn't extending. The original is not changed at all. Just put a clip path on top. https://inkscapecommunity.com/jd/imgs/InkscapeLogo-w-clip.svg Exported PNG: https://inkscapecommunity.com/jd/imgs/InkscapeLogo-w-clip.png Glad to provide the files, instead of just links. Just don't want to attach into the mailing list. All best, brynn -----Original Message----- From: David Washington Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 9:27 AM To: Miguel Lopez ; brynn ; Martin Owens ; Marc Jeanmougin ; Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Jerry Nixon (XAML) Subject: RE: [Inkscape-devel] I would like to speak to the person who compiled and uploaded Inkscape to the Windows Store Hello! David from Microsoft here. Editing the icon is absolutely possible. This is done by updating the "store logo" on the developer portal. I believe Marc has the credentials to log in and fix this (I don't believe we have the ability to fix this on our end.) I don't have permissions to post attachments to this list but those of you who are on this direct email can view the attachment with the re-generated images that should be crisp and perfect on the store website. I understand how important this is. As a vector art tool, it doesn't make sense to have raster artifacts in the store logo. Let's work together to get this fixed. Cheers, David -----Original Message----- From: Miguel Lopez [mailto:reptillia39@...3425...] Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:58 PM To: brynn <brynn@...3133...>; Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...>; Maren Hachmann <maren@...3165...>; inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] I would like to speak to the person who compiled and uploaded Inkscape to the Windows Store It was on reddit, and there was a guy spamming about Krita and Inkscape both being fake. It doesn't help that there's some sort of relationship between open source community in general and Microsoft. https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit… I had to respond to him, and mentioned why the icon looks that way. You can find him on r/Surface, and r/Krita. It's probably not the first time someone brought it up. If editing the icon is not a option, the next best course is to have the page edited, and make it clear with a link and direction to get to the link to authenticate the validity of the Windows 10S version of Inkscape. Either way, I really rather not see this incident again, and it's clear that Microsoft wants to support open-source software, but I got to admit it's partly because they know some softwares will benefit their goals of having the Store given attention. Now with business, you can be assured that Windows 10S will be used for security purpose, and in a lot of case, Inkscape will probably be part of the package. But, I"m not here to discuss that, but only putting this out there. Really, the 1-bit limitation is not something that should exist in 2017. On 6/11/2017 8:43 PM, brynn wrote: > I was doing a bit of browsing, trying to find the alleged "fake" > complaint. All I found was a bad review, regarding repeated crashes. > Arrgh!! > > I see there's a link to the website, halfway down the page. > > I wonder if we should have someone posting periodic reviews, saying > how easy it is to get support? Maybe someone focused on writing such > a review would be likely to read such a review, and go for help? > > All best, > brynn > > > -----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 5:16 PM > To: Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] I would like to speak to the person who > compiled and uploaded Inkscape to the Windows Store > > We could edit the window download page that points to the Microsoft > link, making it clear who is the contact for the package and that it's > as official as any other download for inkscape. > > Best Regards, Martin Owens > > On Sun, 2017-06-11 at 23:30 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: >> You will need to contact Marc Jeanmougin, who set it up in the store. >> I believe we already talked about the icon on the mailing list, and I >> think it has been added by the Microsoft employees... >> >> Ah, here it is: >> Quote from the relevant list email by Marc: >> >> "I don't think there is much I can do about it, it's likely the icon >> pulled from the package, but probably transformed with a very poor >> transparency support (converted at some point to a 1-bit alpha >> channel, I guess), so the filter in the inkscape icon looks ugly. >> >> I'm CCing David, maybe they can fix it on their side :p " >> >> Kind Regards, >> Maren >> >> Am 11.06.2017 um 20:12 schrieb brynn: >> > >> > I don't know anything about someone thinking Inkscape is fake. Is >> > that like "fake news"? >> > >> > However this post did cause me to look up Inkscape in the Windows >> > Store. The icon certainly does look awful there! >> > >> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww >> > w.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fstore%2Fp%2Finkscape%2F9pd9bhglfc7h&data= >> > 02%7C01%7CDavid.Washington%40microsoft.com%7C811095b9e6c44f4345c608 >> > d4b13688bd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C63632829515 >> > 7844817&sdata=gkc3%2FantwrW8h9f832p6c%2FdCAaDwrBcOAKE7ZxjayAo%3D&re >> > served=0 >> > >> > All best, >> > brynn >> > >> > -----Original Message----- From: Miguel Lopez >> > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 10:38 PM >> > To: Inkscape-Devel >> > Subject: [Inkscape-devel] I would like to speak to the person who >> > compiled and uploaded Inkscape to the Windows Store >> > >> > Hi Inkscape-devel subscriber and developers, >> > >> > So, just as the title said. I am making a Krita series of file with >> > the icon suitable for the Windows Store. Why am I speaking of this? >> > >> > As attached is the progress so far. >> > >> > Because, it has come to my attention that someone thinks Inkscape >> > in the Windows Store is fake, and the icon alone, and the >> > screenshots are very telling signs that it is fake. So, now, I have >> > decided to make a Krita file to share for the icon. Also, the guy >> > who shared the lie that Inkscape is fake on Windows store also >> > thinks Krita is fake within Windows Store. >> > >> > If you are that person that I want, if you would like me to proceed >> > with the creation of the icon, I would be happy to offer the icon. >> > Right now, this is all I'm going to do at the moment. >> > >> > In any case, legitimacy is something to acknowledge as part of the >> > project. >> > >> > Also, .zip is rejected? Is there a list of rejected extensions so >> > that I wouldn't get Undeliverable message? >> > >> > Thanks for reading, >> > >> > Miguel Lopez >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ------------- >> > >> > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! >> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsdm >> > .link%2Fslashdot&data=02%7C01%7CDavid.Washington%40microsoft.com%7C >> > 811095b9e6c44f4345c608d4b13688bd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47 >> > %7C1%7C0%7C636328295157844817&sdata=X5EtGz9RiXmIQRP80Sroxm%2FGR3N3W >> > 3h%2FCZd8oyMHTb0%3D&reserved=0 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Inkscape-devel mailing list >> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fli >> > sts.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistinfo%2Finkscape-devel&data=02%7C0 >> > 1%7CDavid.Washington%40microsoft.com%7C811095b9e6c44f4345c608d4b136 >> > 88bd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C63632829515784481 >> > 7&sdata=4UMAaY5e8dhAtNs2xvFJLs0%2FbXcuXIlEffbbFQ%2B3rl0%3D&reserved >> > =0 >> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ------------- >> > >> > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! >> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsdm >> > .link%2Fslashdot&data=02%7C01%7CDavid.Washington%40microsoft.com%7C >> > 811095b9e6c44f4345c608d4b13688bd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47 >> > %7C1%7C0%7C636328295157844817&sdata=X5EtGz9RiXmIQRP80Sroxm%2FGR3N3W >> > 3h%2FCZd8oyMHTb0%3D&reserved=0 >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Inkscape-devel mailing list >> > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fli >> > sts.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistinfo%2Finkscape-devel&data=02%7C0 >> > 1%7CDavid.Washington%40microsoft.com%7C811095b9e6c44f4345c608d4b136 >> > 88bd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C63632829515784481 >> > 7&sdata=4UMAaY5e8dhAtNs2xvFJLs0%2FbXcuXIlEffbbFQ%2B3rl0%3D&reserved >> > =0 >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----------- >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsdm.l >> ink%2Fslashdot&data=02%7C01%7CDavid.Washington%40microsoft.com%7C8110 >> 95b9e6c44f4345c608d4b13688bd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7 >> C0%7C636328295157844817&sdata=X5EtGz9RiXmIQRP80Sroxm%2FGR3N3W3h%2FCZd >> 8oyMHTb0%3D&reserved=0 >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist >> s.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistinfo%2Finkscape-devel&data=02%7C01%7C >> David.Washington%40microsoft.com%7C811095b9e6c44f4345c608d4b13688bd%7 >> C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636328295157844817&sdata= >> 4UMAaY5e8dhAtNs2xvFJLs0%2FbXcuXIlEffbbFQ%2B3rl0%3D&reserved=0 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsdm.li > nk%2Fslashdot&data=02%7C01%7CDavid.Washington%40microsoft.com%7C811095 > b9e6c44f4345c608d4b13688bd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0% > 7C636328295157844817&sdata=X5EtGz9RiXmIQRP80Sroxm%2FGR3N3W3h%2FCZd8oyM > HTb0%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists > .sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistinfo%2Finkscape-devel&data=02%7C01%7CDa > vid.Washington%40microsoft.com%7C811095b9e6c44f4345c608d4b13688bd%7C72 > f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636328295157844817&sdata=4UMA > aY5e8dhAtNs2xvFJLs0%2FbXcuXIlEffbbFQ%2B3rl0%3D&reserved=0 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! 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Re: [Inkscape-devel] hide LPE
by Jabier Arraiza 13 Jun '17

13 Jun '17

Forget say you have in all LPE's the value "is_visible" and you can use with doOnVisibilityToggled or without. Cheers, Jabier.

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I would like to speak to the person who compiled and uploaded Inkscape to the Windows Store
by Miguel Lopez 13 Jun '17

13 Jun '17

Hi Inkscape-devel subscriber and developers, So, just as the title said. I am making a Krita series of file with the icon suitable for the Windows Store. Why am I speaking of this? As attached is the progress so far. Because, it has come to my attention that someone thinks Inkscape in the Windows Store is fake, and the icon alone, and the screenshots are very telling signs that it is fake. So, now, I have decided to make a Krita file to share for the icon. Also, the guy who shared the lie that Inkscape is fake on Windows store also thinks Krita is fake within Windows Store. If you are that person that I want, if you would like me to proceed with the creation of the icon, I would be happy to offer the icon. Right now, this is all I'm going to do at the moment. In any case, legitimacy is something to acknowledge as part of the project. Also, .zip is rejected? Is there a list of rejected extensions so that I wouldn't get Undeliverable message? Thanks for reading, Miguel Lopez

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New News for Git
by Martin Owens 12 Jun '17

12 Jun '17

I've penned a short article for our website: https://inkscape.org/en/news/2017/06/10/inkscape-moves-gitlab/ Please post to any other places where inkscape development is tracked. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] I would like to speak to the person who compiled and uploaded Inkscape to the Windows Store
by Miguel Lopez 12 Jun '17

12 Jun '17

Hi, David Washington and Inkscape developers, I believe I have my own solution the icon problem without requiring additional source code or Microsoft fixing the 1-bit transparency problem. Additional source code offers the benefits of having just separate logo for Windows 10S and non 10S version, but requires maintenance or additional time to maintain. If you note that many application logo does not actually use shadows, it is perfectly acceptable for the Inkscape application logo to lack shadow(s). Updating the current Inkscape logo would help solve this. In the attached files, it is the Inkscape logo without the shadows. It is still beautiful with 1-bit transparency mask restriction. Thanks, Miguel Lopez On 6/12/2017 11:27 AM, David Washington wrote: > Hello! > > David from Microsoft here. Editing the icon is absolutely possible. > > This is done by updating the "store logo" on the developer portal. I believe Marc has the credentials to log in and fix this (I don't believe we have the ability to fix this on our end.) > > I don't have permissions to post attachments to this list but those of you who are on this direct email can view the attachment with the re-generated images that should be crisp and perfect on the store website. > > I understand how important this is. As a vector art tool, it doesn't make sense to have raster artifacts in the store logo. Let's work together to get this fixed. > > Cheers, > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: Miguel Lopez [mailto:reptillia39@...3425...] > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:58 PM > To: brynn <brynn@...3133...>; Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...>; Maren Hachmann <maren@...3165...>; inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] I would like to speak to the person who compiled and uploaded Inkscape to the Windows Store > > It was on reddit, and there was a guy spamming about Krita and Inkscape both being fake. It doesn't help that there's some sort of relationship between open source community in general and Microsoft. > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit… > > I had to respond to him, and mentioned why the icon looks that way. > > You can find him on r/Surface, and r/Krita. It's probably not the first time someone brought it up. > > If editing the icon is not a option, the next best course is to have the page edited, and make it clear with a link and direction to get to the link to authenticate the validity of the Windows 10S version of Inkscape. Either way, I really rather not see this incident again, and it's clear that Microsoft wants to support open-source software, but I got to admit it's partly because they know some softwares will benefit their goals of having the Store given attention. Now with business, you can be assured that Windows 10S will be used for security purpose, and in a lot of case, Inkscape will probably be part of the package. But, I"m not here to discuss that, but only putting this out there. > > Really, the 1-bit limitation is not something that should exist in 2017. > > On 6/11/2017 8:43 PM, brynn wrote: >> I was doing a bit of browsing, trying to find the alleged "fake" >> complaint. All I found was a bad review, regarding repeated crashes. >> Arrgh!! >> >> I see there's a link to the website, halfway down the page. >> >> I wonder if we should have someone posting periodic reviews, saying >> how easy it is to get support? Maybe someone focused on writing such >> a review would be likely to read such a review, and go for help? >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens >> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 5:16 PM >> To: Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] I would like to speak to the person who >> compiled and uploaded Inkscape to the Windows Store >> >> We could edit the window download page that points to the Microsoft >> link, making it clear who is the contact for the package and that it's >> as official as any other download for inkscape. >> >> Best Regards, Martin Owens >> >> On Sun, 2017-06-11 at 23:30 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: >>> You will need to contact Marc Jeanmougin, who set it up in the store. >>> I believe we already talked about the icon on the mailing list, and I >>> think it has been added by the Microsoft employees... >>> >>> Ah, here it is: >>> Quote from the relevant list email by Marc: >>> >>> "I don't think there is much I can do about it, it's likely the icon >>> pulled from the package, but probably transformed with a very poor >>> transparency support (converted at some point to a 1-bit alpha >>> channel, I guess), so the filter in the inkscape icon looks ugly. >>> >>> I'm CCing David, maybe they can fix it on their side :p " >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> Maren >>> >>> Am 11.06.2017 um 20:12 schrieb brynn: >>>> I don't know anything about someone thinking Inkscape is fake. Is >>>> that like "fake news"? >>>> >>>> However this post did cause me to look up Inkscape in the Windows >>>> Store. The icon certainly does look awful there! >>>> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww >>>> w.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fstore%2Fp%2Finkscape%2F9pd9bhglfc7h&data= >>>> 02%7C01%7CDavid.Washington%40microsoft.com%7C811095b9e6c44f4345c608 >>>> d4b13688bd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C63632829515 >>>> 7844817&sdata=gkc3%2FantwrW8h9f832p6c%2FdCAaDwrBcOAKE7ZxjayAo%3D&re >>>> served=0 >>>> >>>> All best, >>>> brynn >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Miguel Lopez >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 10:38 PM >>>> To: Inkscape-Devel >>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] I would like to speak to the person who >>>> compiled and uploaded Inkscape to the Windows Store >>>> >>>> Hi Inkscape-devel subscriber and developers, >>>> >>>> So, just as the title said. I am making a Krita series of file with >>>> the icon suitable for the Windows Store. Why am I speaking of this? >>>> >>>> As attached is the progress so far. >>>> >>>> Because, it has come to my attention that someone thinks Inkscape >>>> in the Windows Store is fake, and the icon alone, and the >>>> screenshots are very telling signs that it is fake. So, now, I have >>>> decided to make a Krita file to share for the icon. Also, the guy >>>> who shared the lie that Inkscape is fake on Windows store also >>>> thinks Krita is fake within Windows Store. >>>> >>>> If you are that person that I want, if you would like me to proceed >>>> with the creation of the icon, I would be happy to offer the icon. >>>> Right now, this is all I'm going to do at the moment. >>>> >>>> In any case, legitimacy is something to acknowledge as part of the >>>> project. >>>> >>>> Also, .zip is rejected? Is there a list of rejected extensions so >>>> that I wouldn't get Undeliverable message? >>>> >>>> Thanks for reading, >>>> >>>> Miguel Lopez >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ------------- >>>> >>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsdm >>>> .link%2Fslashdot&data=02%7C01%7CDavid.Washington%40microsoft.com%7C >>>> 811095b9e6c44f4345c608d4b13688bd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47 >>>> %7C1%7C0%7C636328295157844817&sdata=X5EtGz9RiXmIQRP80Sroxm%2FGR3N3W >>>> 3h%2FCZd8oyMHTb0%3D&reserved=0 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list >>>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fli >>>> sts.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistinfo%2Finkscape-devel&data=02%7C0 >>>> 1%7CDavid.Washington%40microsoft.com%7C811095b9e6c44f4345c608d4b136 >>>> 88bd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C63632829515784481 >>>> 7&sdata=4UMAaY5e8dhAtNs2xvFJLs0%2FbXcuXIlEffbbFQ%2B3rl0%3D&reserved >>>> =0 >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ------------- >>>> >>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsdm >>>> .link%2Fslashdot&data=02%7C01%7CDavid.Washington%40microsoft.com%7C >>>> 811095b9e6c44f4345c608d4b13688bd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47 >>>> %7C1%7C0%7C636328295157844817&sdata=X5EtGz9RiXmIQRP80Sroxm%2FGR3N3W >>>> 3h%2FCZd8oyMHTb0%3D&reserved=0 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list >>>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fli >>>> sts.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistinfo%2Finkscape-devel&data=02%7C0 >>>> 1%7CDavid.Washington%40microsoft.com%7C811095b9e6c44f4345c608d4b136 >>>> 88bd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C63632829515784481 >>>> 7&sdata=4UMAaY5e8dhAtNs2xvFJLs0%2FbXcuXIlEffbbFQ%2B3rl0%3D&reserved >>>> =0 >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ----------- >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsdm.l >>> ink%2Fslashdot&data=02%7C01%7CDavid.Washington%40microsoft.com%7C8110 >>> 95b9e6c44f4345c608d4b13688bd%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7 >>> C0%7C636328295157844817&sdata=X5EtGz9RiXmIQRP80Sroxm%2FGR3N3W3h%2FCZd >>> 8oyMHTb0%3D&reserved=0 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inkscape-devel mailing list >>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist >>> s.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistinfo%2Finkscape-devel&data=02%7C01%7C >>> David.Washington%40microsoft.com%7C811095b9e6c44f4345c608d4b13688bd%7 >>> C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636328295157844817&sdata= >>> 4UMAaY5e8dhAtNs2xvFJLs0%2FbXcuXIlEffbbFQ%2B3rl0%3D&reserved=0 >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -------- >> >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! 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[Gitlab Migration] DONE
by Ted Gould 12 Jun '17

12 Jun '17

Hello all, There seems to be a good Git repository on Gitlab now: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape I think there's still work to do in making the branch names, for releases especially, consistent. And there are probably many that can be deleted. But folks should be able to get back to work using that Git repository. A reminder to folk that we have a guide in the Wiki, and I found a Gitlab cheat sheet on Git as well. Please ask on the mailing list or in #inkscape-devel if you have issues. http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Working_with_Git https://about.gitlab.com/images/press/git-cheat-sheet.pdf Thanks everyone, Ted

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Mailinglists Backedup
by Martin Owens 12 Jun '17

12 Jun '17

Hi all, Just in case there's any danger of sourceforge cutting our old mailing lists, I've backed them all up onto the website server. 800MB of old mbox files. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Missing Captcha for mailing list conformation
by jelle 11 Jun '17

11 Jun '17

Hi all, Confirming your desire to be on the mailing list is not so straightforward for those in China. As the API for the captcha is blocked here, you never get to confirm (it doesn't display anything). Can somebody here confirm for mulder.jelle@...36... in China Cheers, Jelle

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Stickers for Inkscape
by C R 11 Jun '17

11 Jun '17

Thought I'd post the first in the series: Coffee tribute to Inkscape: https://www.dropbox.com/s/t2r8gzwdvoguyqu/inkscape_sticker-latte_art.png?dl… The idea is to create a series of fun stickers that show off Inkscape's illustration capabilities, with web information, slogan, and inkscape logo as part of the objects pictured. Illustrations done in Inkscape with vector objects only. I will post the svgs for people to play with/bemoan when the series is finished. Maybe we could sell Inkscape sticker sheets for fund raising as well. Before anyone asks, yes, there will be a Tea and a Soda tribute to Inkscape as well in the series. ALL HACKING BEVERAGES SHALL BE REPRESENTED. Thanks for your attention. ;) -C

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Hackfest: Souvenir cups
by C R 10 Jun '17

10 Jun '17

Hey folks. So since people liked taking home the cups at last year's hackfest as souvenirs (which also saves me having to fly them back to London in my lap), I've decided to make them properly commemorative with an engraved plate. We also had that issue where cups sort of migrated about, so to answer the question: Is that my cup or yours, I've decided to further personalise them with name & project title. The first sample is successful as you can see here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/s3adt7ydgt2g008/hackfest_cup_paris_2017.jpg?dl=0 So what I need form all the attendees is what name and inkscape team title you'd like it to show. For example, the above has Jabier Arriaza - Inkscape Dev. I also need your preference for right-or left-handed cup to determine which side of the cup the plate will be attached. I'll need this information by the end of this week in order to make sure all the cups are assembled and ready to go. If you'd rather not post this information to the list, simply contact me privately at cajhne@...400... with your preference. Note: Everyone who attends get a cup, so you don't need to be a dev to get a glass. Just have attended and helped us work on Inkscape for the 4 hackfest days. Thanks! -C

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Sourceforge confirmation email
by Maren Hachmann 10 Jun '17

10 Jun '17

Hi everyone, please actively look for an email from sourceforge that asks you to confirm your sourceforge mailing list membership(s). They have changed their mailing list policies to make indicating the country of residence of a subscriber mandatory. More info can be found at: https://sourceforge.net/blog/sourceforge-project-e-mail-policy-update/ (@doctormo: if you want to extract the things mentioned at https://sourceforge.net/blog/sourceforge-project-e-mail-policy-update/ , do it before June 29th - old, inactive mailing lists will be deleted, for example.) Kind Regards, Maren

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GitLab Merge Requests
by Felipe Sanches 09 Jun '17

09 Jun '17

i'm used to the "pull request" workflow on github. It seems to me that the analogous workflow on GitLab would be the "Merge Requests". I forked the Inkscape git repo into my personal GitLab account here: https://gitlab.com/fsanches/inkscape Then I created a feature branch challed *variable_fonts* where I'll be working on the OpenType Variable Fonts feature. But I also created a feature branch specifically for a single-commit merge request. The code itself is very very simple. The idea here is just to exercise the workflow. The branch is called *disable_libnrtype_debugging_code* and you can see it here: https://gitlab.com/fsanches/inkscape/commits/disable_libnrtype_debugging_co… Then I opened a "merge request", but it failed to give me any success screen. Once I tried doing it for the second time it gave me an error as can be seen on the attached screenshot. It says: The form contains the following error: - Validate branches Cannot Create: This merge request already exists: ["Disable debugging code on libnrtype Layout-TNG-Compute at compile-time."] But when I look at Inkscape's GitLab repo dashboard, I cannot see any mention on open merge requests. I'm a bit puzzled about it. Did anyone receive an email notification about it ? Happy Hacking, Felipe "Juca" Sanches

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requesting wiki access
by Robert Sterbal 09 Jun '17

09 Jun '17

Please give access to the Inkscape wiki to: rsterbal robert@...3541... Automatic account creation has been disabled due to high levels of spam. To request an account please email the developer list Thanks, Robert Sterbal robert@...3541... 412-977-3526 call/text

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[Gitlab Migration] Branches migrated
by Ted Gould 09 Jun '17

09 Jun '17

Hello folks, All of the branches have no migrated to Git. I'll be running the script to normalize the e-mail addresses in the commit logs and then start pushing up to Gitlab. I expect that to take a couple hours each. Sorry about the delays. Ted

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[UX] Import image hard DPI change undertanding
by Jabier Arraiza 09 Jun '17

09 Jun '17

Hi all, I get some feedback from some users that have problems to undertand de DPI radio buttons on image import. Maybe is better switch to: * Use same image size * Scale to fit DPI Cheers, Jabier.

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[Gitlab Migration] Still exporting branches
by Ted Gould 09 Jun '17

09 Jun '17

Well, still running and finding more branches. I wish I would have written down exactly how many there were last run, but we're at 120 right now and I thought it was in the low 100's before... but it seems unlikely I'll get it pushed up to Gitlab tonight. I'll continue to update as I know more. Sorry for the incorrect estimates. Ted

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UX help for inkscape - project ideas?
by Máirín Duffy 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

Hi everyone, I've recently become involved in an opportunity to work with a graduate level college class on a semester-long project potentially on a regular basis starting this fall. The class is on information science and the students have skills in UX as well as info processing such as machine learning. The projects have a scope of 15 weeks, and involve 2-3 grad students working roughly 9 hours/week and presenting them at the end of the class I am putting together a list of potential project abstracts for the professor running the class and thought it might be neat to include an Inkscape potential project idea. I was wondering if there are any specific projects within Inkscape that might be good for this kind of project? I would be willing to serve as the mentor / liaision for the students. One idea that came to mind was perhaps the students could look into the new alternative glyphs work Tav did (as he mentioned, "The GUI leaves a bit to be desired"), come up with some UI mockups / proposals, maybe do some usability testing on prototypes, and present their recommendations to you guys at the end? What do you think? Cheers, ~m

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Marketing Inkscape - Survey Preview
by Ryan Gorley 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

Hello all, I have been in communication with Martin and Maren about assisting with some marketing on the project. I am a designer and marketer by profession. You can read the conversation <http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php?topic=497.0> that got this all started if you're interested, but in short, I feel passionately about helping Inkscape succeed. I am emailing to get your feedback on a survey I would like to begin collecting responses for. As I see it, growing users and growing contributors are two sides of the same coin for any successful FOSS project. This particular survey is focusing on the user side of that coin. My intent is to help develop criteria for, and consensus around, who our primary markets for Inkscape should be. A free and open application is of course for anyone to use for any reason. However, because our resources in marketing this application are finite, we really need to clarify and prioritize to have any hope for success. So here is the survey: https://goo.gl/forms/ReZkSjOMokkaoSln2 *Don't spend your time responding (yet)*. I would like to make sure I'm covering the right user segments here, so do email me with your thoughts. I'm glad to meet you all and thanks for the help! Ryan Gorley @ Dijt <https://dijt.co/>

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[Gitlab Migration] Computers doing computer things
by Ted Gould 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

Hey folks, Things are going well, they just take a while. Got about 20 out of 100 branches converted over. I'm a little worried that it might take beyond I'm willing to stay up tomorrow evening as the last test import took about 18 hours (then run the address sanitizer and upload). I'll continue to give progress tomorrow, but I wanted to give folks a heads up in case it takes a bit longer than originally expected. Cheers, Ted

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[Gitlab Migration] Branches Frozen
by Ted Gould 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

Hello, Bazaar branches are frozen. Migration to Git has been started. It'll take a while :-) Ted

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[Gitlab Migration] Freeze Bazaar in about an hour
by Ted Gould 07 Jun '17

07 Jun '17

Hey folks, Just sending a notice that I plan on freezing the Bazaar repos in about an hour or so. Last minute commits should land now. Thanks,

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Marketing Inkscape - Survey Preview
by Ryan Gorley 07 Jun '17

07 Jun '17

Hello All, You probably saw that I pushed out a link to the survey in the user list. I've also pushed it out on inkscapecommunity.com. Anywhere else you recommend? The more that participate, the better. If you use Twitter, Mastodon, or Google Plus, please help give my posts a boost by re-sharing at these links: - https://twitter.com/ryangorley/status/872293309586079744 - https://mastodon.social/web/statuses/8227527 - https://plus.google.com/u/0/105767379162162441315/posts/VZjttRuDaLU Or share the original link (https://goo.gl/forms/ReZkSjOMokkaoSln2) to your hordes of fans however you wish. :) Thanks for the help and if you haven't take the survey yet, please do. Ryan Gorley @ Dijt <https://dijt.co/> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Ryan Gorley <ryan@...3508...> wrote: > There's actually a fairly short list of things that would make >> Inkscape ideal for graphic design. > > > If graphic designers are our primary audience, then we need to look very > seriously at closing that gap, and *beyond* at how we can make Inkscape > better than alternatives in terms of usability, features, and performance. > > Product design, on the other hand will >> pull it into territory that is better left for 3D modeling and CAD >> programs. There are already specialist FLOSS programs for this, also >> vector based (Blender, FreeCAD, etc.). From this perspective, graphic > > design is the only choice with enough general overlapping >> functionality to make it useful for the broadest range of applications >> related to what Inkscape does best - 2D vector graphics. >> > > Makes sense to me. I'm not sure how many people are using the tool this > way. > > >> The reason designers are entrenched in the Adobe "ecosystem" is that's >> what is taught in university, and when they look for alternatives, >> there aren't any programs that fit the bill entirely for vector >> graphics. They are looking to replace Illustrator, the functionality >> of which isn't covered by any other FLOSS project. In fact, Inkscape >> is key to making pro graphic design possible on Linux. Adobe isn't >> even an option on Linux. So a decision to move away from graphic >> design would be a quite terrible loss for all manner FLOSS artists. > > > I agree. And just to clarify, I'm not advocating abandoning anyone, I am > just hoping to identify a market who could be persuaded to use Inkscape on > its own merits now (or in the near future), and not strictly because it is > the only vector drawing tool available on Linux or that it's free of charge. > > >> That's true, if tools (in Inkscape) are built to utilise the svg spec > > to produce pain-free vector animations (for example), or style sheets >> that integrate easily with web content, all those things will be >> beneficial to designers of all types. Producing software that takes >> the complexity out of it is good for both techies, and non techies >> alike. >> > > Yes, yes, yes! > > >> Mac support is something to work on, but the fact remains, there >> really are not any other good options for vector illustration on >> Linux. I think a FLOSS focused vector program should fill the gap in >> tools for FLOSS operating systems as a primary goal, regardless of >> what other more popular OSes are out there. > > > It's a worthy goal, and I would sure appreciate it because I use desktop > Linux. :) From a marketing standpoint, however, I'm not sure we're going to > find new interest and greater adoption from the few of us on Linux, since > we really don't have any choice anyway. Let's not abandon Linux users, but > we must also acknowledge that statistically speaking almost everyone else > is different than us in this regard. Once they're using Inkscape, maybe > there will not be as much keeping those graphic designers back from using > Linux also. > > >> We gain no ground by being >> afraid to go up against Adobe's Creative Suite. >> > > Believe me, I'd love to take them on. We can't ignore their dominance in > the graphic design market however. The only way to beat a giant like Adobe > is to use their strength against them. They have an entrenched user-base, > who will keep them back from trying new and innovative things, especially > in regards to workflows and interface design, because people don't > generally like to change the way they do things. This makes them slow. They > are also trying to be a tool for as many people as possible. This makes > their software complex. And lastly they have broad adoption in the market > and have more to lose than to gain by trying new things. This makes them > risk averse. To beat them we cannot be these same things. > > >> I submit that the path of least resistance is not necessarily the path >> to success. Making Inkscape for a niche group of readily accepting >> users will keep Inkscape a niche program used by a small segment of >> the population, and it will leave a large segment of designers who >> want to use free software waiting for something else to replace >> Inkscape as their vector editor. Right now, nothing else comes close. >> > > I totally agree. And thank your for engaging in this conversation. It > helps a lot! >

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Fwd: Re: last used style
by Miguel Lopez 07 Jun '17

07 Jun '17

-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] last used style Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 05:57:11 +0200 From: Olof Bjarnason <olof.bjarnason@...400...><mailto:olof.bjarnason@...400...> To: Miguel Lopez <reptillia39@...3425...><mailto:reptillia39@...3425...> +100. Den 1 juni 2017 05:33 skrev "Miguel Lopez" <reptillia39@...3425...<mailto:reptillia39@...3425...>>: I only use last used style as a workaround to not being able to set up fill/stroke before I create a object akin to Illustrator. You know what would save time? Being able to set up fill/stroke before a creation of a object, and at any time akin to Illustrator. In Illustrator, you go change the fill, and stroke, and objects will be created with those before you even make a object. On 5/31/2017 11:24 PM, brynn wrote: > Hi Friends, > I've been trying to get my nerve up to ask about this, since I > first used Inkscape, 10 years ago. So here goes. > > Can anyone give me a good reason for having all the tools > styles set, by default, to last used style? > > In 10 years, I have never met, seen, or heard of anyone who > needs this feature; while we have to answer this same general problem > for newbies over and over and over again. Countless times I've > answered these messages. I'll bet I don't even need to give examples, > do I? > > I would guess it's the single biggest stumbling block for > newbies. It certainly must be the single most asked question by > newbies. At least in forums, and probably LP Answers. > > I can imagine rare scenarios, where someone might actually use > this feature. But if I want an object the exact same style as the one > before, I simply duplicate (or copy/paste, or paste style). So it's a > mystery to me why last used style should be the default behavior, when > we have all these other perfectly suitable features, which don't cause > newbies (and those who help them) so many headaches. > > I understand if we might not want to throw it out the window > ((although that's what I would do with it, haha)). But is there any > chance we could at least not have it to be the default behavior? > > When we first download and open Inkscape for the first time, > all the tools have a characteristic style. If I recall, it's a pink > rectangle, light blue circle, yellow star, and green spiral, with > darker tones for the strokes, and all partially transparent. And for > Pencil and Pen, I guess it's the black stroke. > > Could we just keep those styles, but set all the tools for > "This tool's own style" instead of "Last used style"? And could we > have this the default behavior for when newbies first install Inkscape? > > Oh, it would save us SO, so much time, those of us who answer > newbie questions, day in and day out. I'd be so happy to write up a > bug/feature request report for this, if there isn't some serious > objection. > > Thanks for listening, > brynn > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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News item about the new manual work?
by brynn 06 Jun '17

06 Jun '17

Hi Friends, As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming hackfest, I suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short item about the recent new work on the new manual? I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article. I'm thinking Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first time around? Although I don't mean to volunteer her. As I said, I could do it myself, if we decide to do it. I think it would help in community-building, to keep the wider community up to date about these things. What do other manual workers and Docs list subscribers think? All best, brynn

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All hands to Merge Requests!
by Martin Owens 06 Jun '17

06 Jun '17

Dear developers, There are 23 active merge requests into our bzr branch system. Please go to: https://code.launchpad.net/inkscape/+activereviews And find a merge request to review. Reviewing this code, we can decide if it's code we should have or if it's safe to discard. Some of the items are "needs fixing", if the fix looks interesting or important and you think you can bring it over the line and get it in, please do help. And we can consolidate and clean up the merge requests before the great git gearing. Give a little of your time for the project to get us to git. Thanks everyone! Best Regards, Martin Owens Bazaar Sanitation Services

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gcode tools support lacking
by brynn 06 Jun '17

06 Jun '17

Hi Friends, It's been well over a year since the team who created Inkscape's gcode tools, have answered requests for support in their forum, cnc-club (see link in Extensions menu > Gcodetools > About). There currently are not any users who participate in forums, who understand these tools who are apparently interested in helping. Is there anyone in the community who would be willing to be contacted (in lieu of regularly visiting forums) with questions about the gcode tools, when they come up (which is more and more lately)? Or does anyone know of any resources, such as tutorials? I only know of one...oh great, and I guess I've misplaced the link. But it's fairly limited. (I've even offered to write tutorials for the gcode tools, if the cnc-club forum would collaborate - no answer.) Personally, if the community can't provide support for our own tools, well.... I guess I'd have to start refering users elsewhere, for producing the gcode. Some have already started referring elsewhere (http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=32491) Of course I don't want to do that. But this is a frustrating. Can the development community provide any guidance? Thank you very much, brynn

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Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: last used style #2
by C R 06 Jun '17

06 Jun '17

Sorry, sent this directly to brynn by mistake. Forwarding to the list, read below. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "C R" <cajhne@...400...> Date: 6 Jun 2017 1:15 p.m. Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fwd: Re: last used style #2 To: "brynn" <brynn@...3133...> Cc: > The workflow is draw first, style second. (Personally I like that > routine much better than choosing the style first. So when you're making > changes, please make it optional, so that those who prefer the "old" way, > can continue without altering their personal routines.) The new way will not affect the old way of doing it if you like that better. The idea is that the user should be able, at any point to select a fill and stroke, and have the next thing drawn be that colour. This will not change if you want to select a different colour after you draw - newly drawn/selected items will still be filled with the colours chosen by the user for stroke and fill after they are drawn.selected in the same manner as it does now. The changes add the ability to use the Lower-Left stroke and fill widget as a master widget for colour, so you don't have to set the fill/stroke colour in the tool dialog (upper-left) - which most users seem to miss anyway. One colour widget to rule them all, one to find them, one to bring them all, and in the Inkscape bind them. -C > > So draw a rectangle. Yikes, nothing's there. I can see the dotted > lines and arrows (i.e. bounding box and selection handles), but my rectangle > isn't there. Yes, this is why it's nice to set the draw colour/fill before the rectangle is drawn. > Why isn't it there? Because the last time you drew a rectangle, > eventually you made it completely transparent. Now, every rectangle you > draw will be transparent, until you change it. Oh, you changed it to blue? > Now every rectangle will be blue, until you change one. If the user has chosen to draw blue rectangles, reverting to some other default colour doesn't make a lot of sense. In most drawing programs, the "current colour" (the one shown in the colour widget) is what the drawn shape will be. I draw a line - I make it red. I draw another line... but it's reverted back to the default line colour... I'm wanting to draw red lines, that's why I went through the trouble of changing the colour. I have to change it every single time = big big waste of time. To get around this, as others have noted, the workflow is draw a bunch of lines, select them all, then paste style. Yea... it's not great. It's what people are complaining about. This is why it's simpler to have one widget to control colour. Currently the user has to look all over to see where to change the default colour, and are baffled when the colour changes back to the default colour when they draw a new shape. > As I said before, it's easily the most asked question, both in forums > and LP Answers. And in my opinion, well, a ridiculous feature. Simplifying the interface into a single colour widget will help, also if the user changes things outside this colour widget, new objects should not retain the transparency settings. - This more than anything causes confusion. A distinction needs to be made between object transparency and fill alpha colour. Object transparency, controlled by the slider in the stroke/fill dialog should not affect the current colour (and thus not the affect the colour/transparency of newly drawn items). - This, more often than not is what causes completely invisible objects, and it's a pain for the user to try and figure out which settings are causing the object to be transparent. It's a difficult problem, but with your help, I'm sure we can come up with a solution that works better for everyone. > Most > newbies pick up Inkscape, and they're happily clicking away, not thinking > about anything, but marvelling over the awesome program. An hour later, or > a day, or a week, and they don't remember that they were playing with either > the alpha channel or Opacity slider. And also in my opinion, it's not > intuitive that whatever change I make is permanent for the tool. Yes exactly. This is part of what I'm working on remedying. We are on the same page here. > What's the solution? Explain to everyone how to change the style > settings for all their tools. This implies there is some means of forcing people to read tutorials. The "happily clicking away" thing is what needs to continue. The tool configuration landmines are what need to be replaced - an easy way to do that is to re-think how transparency and colour are applied, and provide a more intuitive and simpler interface that doesn't have vanishing bits. I believe we collectively can do this without adding a bottleneck to anyones workflow, and removing the substantial ones that we all have just gotten used to living with because that's how it's always been. :) > Anyway, I'm rather shocked that the mailing list crowd doesn't > understand what the problem is. I guess it underscores once again how far > removed many developers are, from the user community. Many people in this thread use Inkscape professionally, myself included (every working day, for a professional portfolio you wouldn't even believe was made in FLOSS). So let's not go the us vs. them route. There is no "them", only us. Let's try and find a solution that works for everyone. > Would it be such a hard thing to do, to make the default doc have all > the tools set for "own style"? I think for some tools this makes sense, but only if "own style" is replaced by "last used" style for that tool. If I am adding text to a doc, I don't want to have to change the colour from some default value every time I add more text. If I'm drawing shapes, I expect that Inkscape will preserve the colour I've chosen, not change it back to some default value until I tell it to change the colour. If I'm drawing lines, I'd like the same as for shapes, though often the fill gets in the way. It's not that big a deal to change the fill to transparent, but maybe a good solution is to change the fill to none by default, then add fill colour if the line becomes a closed shape. This is not a simple problem, and understanding all the implications is half the battle. Let's continue to work on it together. -C > Thanks again, > brynn > > -----Original Message----- From: C R > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 2:12 PM > To: brynn > Cc: Inkscape-Devel ; J. F. Lemaire ; Martin Owens ; Olof Bjarnason > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fwd: Re: last used style #2 > > > Hi brynn. I think maybe we were confused about what you wanted. Sorry > we guessed wrong. On the plus side, it opened up discussion of the > tools, and how styles are used/reused, and it seems no one likes how > it currently is very much - Which is why I'm making mockups of how it > could work. I'll try and do a video showing the steps for each option. > > It's taking a lot of thought, and consideration of different > workflows, because the tools and how they function differ, so coming > up with a unified solution that makes everyone happy will take a bit > of time. > > Can you advise in particular the workflow you are using - I think we > would benefit from an example or two. I'll try to get in touch with > you on irc this week to discuss it so we properly address your > problem. > > Thanks for your patience! > -C > > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 6:45 AM, brynn <brynn@...3133...> wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> Sorry to have made that post just before I logged off for a day and >> a >> half. Aside from being a little afraid of what the response might be, I >> honestly didn't expect much response! >> >> Also honestly, I was totally lost with most of the discussion. And >> some of it, I can't even make a connection to what I asked. It's almost >> like my comment about holding onto something for 10 years, prompted >> everyone >> else to comment what they've been holding onto for years. But I don't >> think >> it ever came back around to my question. >> >> Moving the tool style indicator, or the selected object indicator, >> or >> when Fill and Stroke is called up, or setting style before/after, etc., >> (if >> I followed it all)..... Yikes, I'm totally lost! >> >> Changing whether we can set the style before or after drawing the >> object won't solve the problem I'm having. Not unless you somehow make it >> impossible to draw first and choose style second. And then you'll have >> complaints from all the "old" users who have it in their workflow to draw >> first, style second. >> >> I'll try to keep up with whatever mockups you come up with, and >> offer >> comments. >> >> But if I can just reiterate my original request (which doesn't >> require a ui change afaik). Please, can we make all the tools set for >> "This >> tool's own style" as the default? I don't mean take away "Last Used >> Style" >> as an option (well, I was joking when I mentioned it). I just mean, for >> the >> default document (which is what newbies use 99% of the time) can it start >> with everything set for "...Own Style"? >> >> It would not require current users, who might be using "last >> style", >> to go through and change everything, because their prefs file will keep >> them >> using whatever they already use. This would ONLY affect newbies, and make >> them less confused (and those of us who answer support requests, less >> bothered!) >> >> Not that I know much about programming. But what little I >> understand >> about how Inkscape works, it seems like it wouldn't take much time to make >> this change. Wouldn't it be just changing one thing, for each tool, in >> the >> default doc? Or maybe it's a change in the original prefs file? >> >> Since I didn't hear any objections - not to what I asked anyway, I >> guess I will make the feature request. >> >> Thanks again, >> brynn >> >> PS - (Re-titled this, in case of comments on my original request.) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Martin Owens >> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 7:51 AM >> To: Olof Bjarnason ; C R >> Cc: J. F. Lemaire ; inkscape-devel >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fwd: Re: last used style >> >> On Fri, 2017-06-02 at 11:01 +0200, Olof Bjarnason wrote: >>> >>> >>> Just trying to make this happen, and it won't happen if you do not >>> get buy in from some developer that has the time and energy to make >>> this happen... >> >> >> >> This kind of UX is right in my wheelhouse. Please add me as principle >> developer to work on the design. To which we can then test functionally >> with users. >> >> Best regards, Martin Owens >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > >

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Alternative glyphs
by Tavmjong Bah 06 Jun '17

06 Jun '17

Hi, Many fonts have alternative glyphs for some unicode codepoints. These glyphs can be accessed by enabling OpenType tables such as 'salt', 'ss01', etc. Inkscape has supported using such alternative glyphs through the 'Variants' tab of the 'Text and Font' dialog (under the last section, 'Feature Settings'). But one problem that was pointed out is that it is difficult to know what alternative glyphs are available for a particular font. I've just added code in trunk that will display such alternative glyphs in the 'Feature Settings' section. The GUI leaves a bit to be desired and there is some more work to do to show all alternative glyphs properly (for example, font style is ignored) but it is a start. Please test it out and give me your feedback. Tav

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chr[Hackfest]
by Christoph Rudorff 06 Jun '17

06 Jun '17

Hello Inkscape Community, I proposed at the irc board meeting my participation on the hack fest. I introduce myself as a dev and a user whose bug reports usually have a patch ready. I can do a talk "How we use inkscape to drive our CNC machine" and the gotchas that came up: http://chris.rudorff.com/Plotter/IMG_20170214_165918604.jpg This is a 1.4x10.5m vacuum desk with pen + laser tool. It cuts panels for sail making. It was build 1985 and survived more than computer system (WannaCry? WannaLaught!): http://chris.rudorff.com/Plotter/IMG_20170127_180750123.jpg So we hit the 1% zoom limit of inkscape ;) Beside the bugs I already fixed in inkscape I found more issues: memory leaks and performance eater. Top on my todo is the dxf importer. I hacked it for our needs but this extension can use a rewrite I can do. My travel is not that far but I can use some funding for staying/hotel/sofa. So I am looking forward meeting the people behind inkscape ;) chr[]

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [UX] A simple code that help
by Jabier Arraiza 06 Jun '17

06 Jun '17

Thanks Maren. I also add another feat at the same way: "hide selected objects" "unhide objects below" I hope i commit the code in half hour or less. Cheers, Jabier. On Tue, 2017-06-06 at 02:02 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: > Then for the strings I'd suggest: > - lock selected objects > - unlock objects below > > Maren > > Am 06.06.2017 um 01:51 schrieb Jabier Arraiza: > > Great!!! > > > > On Tue, 2017-06-06 at 01:47 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: > > > That sounds very useful to me, Jabier! > > > > > > Maren > > > > > > Am 06.06.2017 um 01:18 schrieb Jabier Arraiza: > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2017-06-06 at 00:34 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: > > > > > I still don't understand which items will be > > > > > unlocked+selected - > > > > > those > > > > > directly below the cursor, no matter how deep in the stack of > > > > > objects? > > > > > > > > > > Maren > > > > > > > > > > Am 05.06.2017 um 19:20 schrieb Jabier Arraiza: > > > > > > Seems a complex UI to me. To my workflow and easyest to > > > > > > undertand > > > > > > seems > > > > > > better unlook all selecting them in the same step, deselect > > > > > > the > > > > > > one > > > > > > you > > > > > > dont want locked and lock with right click all the others. > > > > > > Its > > > > > > like > > > > > > a > > > > > > natural action easy to remember, more than hidden feats. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Jabier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2017-06-05 at 17:40 +0100, C R wrote: > > > > > > > I see. Is it possible to just select all cursor locked > > > > > > > down > > > > > > > items, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > then choose which ones to unlock? Or is that too much of > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > pain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -C > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Jabier Arraiza > > > > > > > <jabier.arraiz > > > > > > > a@...3326... > > > > > > > rker > > > > > > > .es> wrote: > > > > > > > > Cursor down locked items. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2017-06-05 at 17:02 +0100, C R wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey jabier. What are "down" items? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I just had an idea for unlocking: context > > > > > > > > > > Select > > > > > > > > > Locked, > > > > > > > > > which then > > > > > > > > > changes to context > Unlock Selected, which would let > > > > > > > > > users > > > > > > > > > deselect > > > > > > > > > items > > > > > > > > > they want to remain locked before unlocking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Jun 2017 4:56 p.m., "Jabier Arraiza" > > > > > > > > > <jabier.arraiza > > > > > > > > > @mar > > > > > > > > > ker. > > > > > > > > > es> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Realy the improvement is for unlock. Lock is by the > > > > > > > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Jabier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2017-06-05 at 15:33 +0000, Miguel Lopez > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'll vote yes to the optional feature to come to > > > > > > > > > > > Inkscape! I > > > > > > > > > > > tend > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > manipulate objects within objects dialog (I don't > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > Layers > > > > > > > > > > > dialog > > > > > > > > > > > anymore because objects dialog, and I always > > > > > > > > > > > convert > > > > > > > > > > > group to > > > > > > > > > > > layers > > > > > > > > > > > in the final) for locking, but it wouldn't hurt > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > extra > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > to lock. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/5/2017 11:13 AM, Jabier Arraiza wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A thing easy to do: > > > > > > > > > > > Right click->context_menu:lock selected items. > > > > > > > > > > > Right click->context_menu:unlock down items. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First one is optional. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to add to Inkscape? Please let try to say > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > best 1 > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > > strings > > > > > > > > > > > to the menu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Jabier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > world's > > > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.lin > > > > > > > > > > > k/sl > > > > > > > > > > > ashd > > > > > > > > > > > ot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > > > > > > > > > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inksc > > > > > > > > > > > ape- > > > > > > > > > > > deve > > > > > > > > > > > l@...1721... > > > > > > > > > > > sts. > > > > > > > > > > > sour > > > > > > > > > > > ceforge.net> > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inks > > > > > > > > > > > cape > > > > > > > > > > > -dev > > > > > > > > > > > el > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > ------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the > > > > > > > > > > world's > > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/ > > > > > > > > > > slas > > > > > > > > > > hdot > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > > > > > > > > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inksca > > > > > > > > > > pe-d > > > > > > > > > > evel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > --------------------- > > > > > > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the > > > > > > > > > > world's > > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/ > > > > > > > > > > slas > > > > > > > > > > hdot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > > > > > > > > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inksca > > > > > > > > > > pe-d > > > > > > > > > > evel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ---- > > > > > ---- > > > > > ----------- > > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's > > > > > most > > > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > > > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > >

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[UX] A simple code that help
by Jabier Arraiza 05 Jun '17

05 Jun '17

Hi all. A thing easy to do: Right click->context_menu:lock selected items. Right click->context_menu:unlock down items. First one is optional. Want to add to Inkscape? Please let try to say the best 1 or 2 strings to the menu. Cheers, Jabier.

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Gitlab Migration (for reals this time)
by Ted Gould 05 Jun '17

05 Jun '17

Howdy folks, (sorry about the accidental first send) As we've discussed more that once we're looking to move a Bazaar repositories on Launchpad over to Git repositories on GitLab. We're now closing in on the time for that migration. We've discussed a schedule in the board meeting this afternoon and I wanted to make sure everyone is aware of the plan. We're expecting 24-hours of "downtime" as part of this. ==== Step 1 ==== Wed, 7 Jun evening US time We're going to make the Bazaar repositories owned by the project owned by the board and then start migrating them to Git. This will hopefully mean that accidental commits won't happen. The migration to Git will take a few hours, giving it over night to complete (allow for some network hiccups). ==== Step 2 ==== Wed, 8 Jun morning US time Push the Git repo and branches to GitLab, this should take a little while, but will hopefully be done by the afternoon. We should be generally good to go after that, but will verify a couple of downloads. ==== Step 3 ==== Party! I'll send an e-mail to the mailing lists for each phase as we go through them with a status update. If you have an open branch on LP, it should be migrated. Please make sure to push before Wed. night the 7th. It would be even better if they could be merged but that shouldn't be required. You should be able to pick up your branch from Gitlab on the other side. Ted

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Inkscape Phone
by Jabier Arraiza 05 Jun '17

05 Jun '17

Hi all. Is posible add a mobile phone for Inkscape proyect. The growing services based in mobile some of them mobile only, maybe require an oficial mobile phone. The goal is not use calls or data changes and use throught WIFI. Cheers, Jabier.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-docs] News item about the new manual work?
by Maren Hachmann 04 Jun '17

04 Jun '17

Hi Carl (and Brynn, see bottom), Am 04.06.2017 um 15:55 schrieb Carl Symons: > > I have been holding off on any further editing and proofreading pending a > resolution of the following information for myself. > > There are places in the manual where additional information would be useful. > Information that is not in the original version. Should it be added? If yes, > to what extent should the content be tweaked? This depends on the amount of detail you want to add. It should fit into the book's concept of giving 'just the necessary basics'. Everything that is not strictly necessary, and does not *largely* improve the helpfulness of the book for someone who knows *nothing* about vector graphics, should be left to the detailed manual for advanced users. This is just an introduction, for people who want to learn by do(odl)ing, and who will pick up the concepts as they advance. It is meant to be easy - in writing style, with short sentences, as well as in contents. Would you like to pick up proofreading again where you left? You're welcome to make edits that fit the above description any time, without having to ask for permission. > Also ... there was some discussion about reorganizing the manual, changing > chapter order and the like. > > Apologies if this has been discussed previously. I've only recently joined the > manual effort. > > It would help to know if the project is mostly about translation or if it's > more extensive than that. Guidance please. @Brynn + Carl: I think we might postpone the changing of chapter order to a later point of time, so we will get a first, 'working' copy faster, and so people have a chance to gain insight into the conceptualization of the book. Also, that discussion got us sidetracked a bit, it seems, if it lead to Carl not knowing what to do next (and if). If anything, changing the order is a matter of drag and drop, and can be done any time, it shouldn't stop us from working. (I was thinking having a skeleton ready at Hackfest time might be useful, in case Elisa and Cédric would like to help work on this then - but of course, I don't know what their plans are for Paris). Kind Regards, Maren

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-docs] News item about the new manual work?
by Maren Hachmann 04 Jun '17

04 Jun '17

Thank you, Marietta, Carl, and Martin for pointing me into the right direction (hopefully) and for calling for help, and volunteering your time :) I'm glad to know that people are still interested in helping, but might just not have known how (or, in CR's case, are too busy with other stuff - believe me, I understand). Guess I got too used to the standard open source theme of 'grab a task and do it if you're up to it' - and I'm also kind of shy about telling others what to do. I'm sorry about not getting that I should take on a more active, guiding role, to make it easier for new members to join. @Marietta: What do you think about Martin's suggestion? Kind Regards, Maren Am 04.06.2017 um 22:52 schrieb Martin Owens: > On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 13:20 -0500, Marietta Walker wrote: >> If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations >> in knowing the software. > > You would make a good editor then, both in the generic sense for > English grammar and the functional sense in 'do you understand this' > > Is this something you'd be good at helping with? > > Best Regards, Martin Owens > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ Inkscape-docs mailing > list Inkscape-docs(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >

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Extension
by Jabier Arraiza 04 Jun '17

04 Jun '17

Hi all. There is a pending merge with a python extension. https://code.launchpad.net/~rwhite8282/inkscape/frame-extension/+merge/2873… There is two things to do with it: * Review it, I could do but not too much expertice on python. * Decide if is a extension suitable to grow default ones or maybe is better include into inkscape.org/extensions. Cheers, Jabier.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] All hands to Merge Requests!
by Martin Owens 04 Jun '17

04 Jun '17

Hi Michael, This sounds very much like it should have gone into trunk /before/ going into 0.92 or 0.93. The process is that items are merged into trunk/main and then are forked to the release branch, these forks then get merges from trunk (and rarely fixes just for that branch). If it was working for 0.92 and still works in trunk and has been reviewed, merge it in. The deadline is Wed 7th June, so it's practically now! Best Regards, Martin Owens On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 17:12 +0200, Michael Soegtrop wrote: > Dear Martin, > > I am sure the answer is somewhere in the lengthy discussion on moving > to > git but I must admit I didn't follow it. What I need to know is what > the > deadline is. > > The stuff was working fine in 0.92 and reviewed OK (by Jabier), it > just > didn't make it in time for 0.93. So all that needs to be done is > merge > it from 0.92 to 0.93 (or the current baseline). > > There is one additional LPE in this branch which is intended for > making > designs for stitching machines. This is also working, but it could > need > some improvements in the path optimization algorithms (a TSP). But I > think this can be fixed later (enable this LPE only in development > builds). > > Best regards, > > Michael > > On 04.06.2017 17:01, Martin Owens wrote: > > > > Michael, > > > > If you don't think it can be completed in the time left, then we > > should > > look for the git branch when the migration is complete. If it's not > > there, you may have to copy across your changes and commit them > > into a > > new branch. > > > > But if you need help with your branch, this is a good time to ask. > > > > Best Regards, Martin Owens > > > > On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:11 +0200, Michael Soegtrop wrote: > > > > > > Dear Martin, > > > > > > I am not sure how to proceed with my bool lpe. Shoul dit be > > > finalized > > > in > > > bzr until some deadline, or should I move it over somehow > > > (manually) > > > to git? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Michael

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] All hands to Merge Requests!
by Martin Owens 04 Jun '17

04 Jun '17

Michael, If you don't think it can be completed in the time left, then we should look for the git branch when the migration is complete. If it's not there, you may have to copy across your changes and commit them into a new branch. But if you need help with your branch, this is a good time to ask. Best Regards, Martin Owens On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:11 +0200, Michael Soegtrop wrote: > Dear Martin, > > I am not sure how to proceed with my bool lpe. Shoul dit be finalized > in > bzr until some deadline, or should I move it over somehow (manually) > to git? > > Best regards, > > Michael

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Board Meeting Minutes ~ 2017-05-03
by Bryce Harrington 04 Jun '17

04 Jun '17

== Meeting Minutes for 2017-05-03 == I don't usually prepare meeting minutes, but there was a ton of discussion with a lot of follow ups and action items, so figure it could use some additional visibility. Summary of Action Items: + ACTION: Need to sharpen pencil on budget to see where we're at exactly. [bryce] + ACTION: Draft https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfest-2017/ [Tavmjong] + ACTION: Make a news item for the hackfest fundraiser [Tavmjong, doctormon] + ACTION: Advertise hackfest fundraiser on twitter [Mc, Tavmjong] + ACTION: Advertise hackfest fundraiser on facebook [Tavmjong or designee] + ACTION: Advertise hackfest fundraiser on G+ [Tavmjong or designee] + ACTION: Advertise hackfest fundraiser on Instagram [Rob-Sterbal, Tavmjong] + ACTION: Investigate stickers & pricing for hackfest [jabiertxof] + ACTION: Decide GUADEC attendance [Alex] + ACTION: Propose donation "add-on" for Win10 store to inkscape-devel@ [Mc] + ACTION: Jot signed-mug raffle idea down on Fundraising_Ideas page [CRogers] + ACTION: Test the message patch from ML [tedg] + ACTION: Announce plan for gitlab migration [tedg] + ACTION: Discuss scripting ideas for bug migration [Mc, doctormon] + ACTION: Re-raise topic of bugtracker migration at a future time [Mc] + ACTION: Help Mc kickoff funded devel of a feature [bryce] + ACTION: Propose a batch t-shirt run (e.g. for hackfest) [tedg] + ACTION: Re-contact Mihaela to finish starting up Spreadshirt [doctormon, bryce] + ACTION: Experiment with first-call / last-call dates on board votes [bryce] + ACTION: Check on board member voting [bryce] Full log: https://inkscape.org/en/paste/11064/ === Paris Hackfest === * 5 devs + interest from a few others * Note that Conservancy has clarified travel reimbursement documentation + Process hasn't changed but it's explained better. + Hackfest travelers should doublecheck * Future hackfests may be short on cash + We have $8000 budgeted for hackfests currently + The 2017 hackfest allocates $13,000 expenses - Most people won't use their full allocation - Some people won't be able to attend - So actual expense should be far less than the allocation + ACTION: Need to sharpen pencil on budget to see where we're at exactly. [Bryce] * Should use this as opportunity to do fundraising for further hackfests + ACTION: Draft https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfest-2017/ [Tavmjong] + ACTION: Make a news item for the hackfest fundraiser [Tavmjong, doctormon] + ACTION: Advertise hackfest fundraiser on twitter [Mc, Tavmjong] + ACTION: Advertise hackfest fundraiser on facebook [Tavmjong or designee] + ACTION: Advertise hackfest fundraiser on G+ [Tavmjong or designee] + ACTION: Advertise hackfest fundraiser on Instagram [Rob-Sterbal, Tavmjong] * Should we plan a community "open day" at the Hackfest? + Sticker give-aways to visitors of the event (if any) + Stacks to distribute to regular attendees to give out at other events + If it's done, designate a single day for visitors, to avoid distraction, and make sure to advertise the fact prominently + Purpose of hackfest is not community outreach, so perhaps should be left for a separate event. * The SFC-produced stickers might not get done in time for the hackfest, but the designs could be used for locally printed ones + Ryan Gorley recommends https://www.uprinting.com/vinyl-sticker-printing.html + Shoot for 20 per attendee, ~200 total + ACTION: Investigate stickers & pricing for hackfest [jabiertxof] * Virtual attendance (e.g. livestream, google hangouts, etc.) + If someone sets it up, post explanation on how to get set up === GUADEC - Gtk3 === * Coming up end of July in Manchester * Last year they said they could help us with Gtk3 stuff. * Would be worthwhile if Alex could go, pertaining Gtk3 + tghs (Mac gtk3) is in Leeds so can make it for attendance * ACTION: Decide GUADEC attendance [Alex] === Sticker Printing by Conservancy === * Stickers are designed from the about screen entrants. Artists were asked if they would be open to having their work printed on stickers. + https://inkscape.org/en/~doctormo/%E2%98%85stickers-2017-draw-freely + https://inkscape.org/en/~doctormo/%E2%98%85stickers-2017-landscape-inkscape * Designs were sent to SFC with a $100 budget (vote approved by board) + Waiting on Brett to get back to us on it === Funded Projects === * Various funded feature development ideas were floated during the meeting: + 1% zoom limit (chr[]) + hidpi support (Windows users want this particularly) + gtk3 migration may give a native-looking ui for mac os, and many people would pay for that * Various fundraising ideas were floated during the meeting: + Kickstarter fundraising based on feature sets that people ask for all the time has worked very well for Krita - krita succeeds well at advertizing becaue they work with awesome artists to promote them - They also deliver things that artists ask for as their primary goal. + Donation dummy "add-on" to Inkscape on the Windows store - ACTION: Propose donation "add-on" for Win10 store to inkscape-devel@ [Mc] + Raffle for an inkscape mug and/or t-shirt signed by hackfest devs - ACTION: Jot signed-mug raffle idea down on Fundraising_Ideas page [CRogers] + More ideas are being captured at: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Fundraising_Ideas === Gitlab Migration === * General desire is to get it achieved prior to the hackfest + The hackfest would be a good opportunity to f2f through the various followup work-items. + But should target getting it done a couple weeks prior, else major issues could be disruptive of the event. + So need to target getting it done in the next week or so. + Followup-workitems for post-migration: - Automating builds - Fix cmake bzr-isms - Update builds for windows - Update builds for mac - Fix jenkins - Rewriting inkscape.org to re-document git instead of bzr * Ted has done some dry runs. The 0.44 branches generate import errors, but everything else looks happy. + Ted wants ~24hr downtime to deal with migration issues, so need to disable commits for that interim. + ACTION: Test the message patch from ML [tedg] + ACTION: Announce plan for gitlab migration [tedg] * plan -- send notice to the list (today?), then 24hr later change ownership of inkscape.dev's branches or otherwise configure them so they can't be committed to, run the migration script, do any cleanup, and if all's well we reopen on gitlab 24 hr after that + Branches owned by individuals may need separate attention. People can continue hosting branches in LP for now, but we might revisit this later (esp. if/when we wish to close out the Inkscape LP project.) With gitlab, user branches are kept more separate (e.g. as forks) but we can import broadly and prune later. + Do the migration mid-week, as people seem to use W-E's for devel * Bug reporting will remain with Launchpad for now. + Launchpad's spam problem has been growing... + Existing bzr revno references from bug reports will continue to work, but going forward these will need to start referencing to git SHA's at gitlab. For now we won't have the easy shortcuts from bug reports to commits (or vice versa). + Non-trivial to import bugs to gitlab.com -- it doesn't permit setting the bug owners/commenters for one thing. - might be doable if we ran our own gitlab instance. - Maybe be acceptable of old bugs/comments are just left owned by inkscape.dev? + ACTION: Discuss scripting ideas for bug migration [Mc, DoctorMo] + ACTION: Re-raise topic of bugtracker migration at a future time [Mc] === Infrastructure backup/alternate hosting === * This effort is in early discussion/planning stage. Bryce and Martin have been working on it behind the scenes but now ready for some wider input and thinking. * Rationale for investigating alternatives: 1. Capacity has been a bit limited with OSUOSL; we've banged our head on this a few times now. 2. Responsiveness to IT requests has also been pretty slow. Two infrastructure moves have had to be scuttled/replanned due to this. 3. Outages occur periodically (generally due to #1 or #2 but sometimes unrelated). * Goal is having a primary host, with a second independent host we can bring up as cold failover in emergencies. + Geographically separated, e.g. Europe + Canada/US + Backup host would be kept simple - a mirror of the primary that can be manually switched on as needed. + Even if we stick with OSUOSL we still should have another host, just for best practices in case of failures. * Current hosting has been 100% sponsor supported. We have budget to pay for IT support but obviously would prefer sponsor support here. + We're not yet ready to start contacting or engaging, but close === Funded development project management system == * Bryce still plugging away at it * Manual funding of feature development also possibility + This would mainly involve recruiting and vetting developers to take on one of the already defined and funded projects + Also need to track devel progress and completion, and coordinate payment (via Conservancy) + Similar to GSoC but less teaching, and shorter durations + ACTION: Help Mc kickoff funded devel of a feature [Bryce] === Merchandise Sales === * Temporary-run batch T-Shirt sales + "Must pass this line, limited sale" + Could just use existing logo + Need to identify a good quality t-shirt supplier (Cotton Bureau?) https://cottonbureau.com/submit-a-design + ACTION: Propose a batch t-shirt run (e.g. for hackfest) [tedg] * Spreadshirt + On hold, no changes to report + Probably time to pick a kickoff date and run with what we have + ACTION: Re-contact Mihaela to finish starting up Spreadshirt [doctormon, bryce] * If anyone wants to take lead on setting up other merchandising options, contact bryce. We're pretty open to ideas, just need someone to make arrangements and set up the order/shop/etc. === GSoC === * Just started this week, first evaluation in a month * There will be an additional $500 per student for travel costs. + Does the board need to be involved in arranging or approving the expenditures? Probably, since it'll go through conservancy... + We'll wait until the issue comes up; board can do a quick enough vote on it. Contact bryce when you have specifics. === How's the Board Doing? === * More efficient voting + Need quicker turnaround + Not all board members are placing votes + ACTION: Experiment with first-call / last-call dates on board votes [bryce] + ACTION: Check on board member voting [bryce] * Automation of board work + Need tool to upload text files to the website's pastebin (I.e. to send IRC log snippets of board meetings, w/ metadata) === Other Business === None === Next Meeting === Same time & place, July 7th, 2017.

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Website / GSOC
by Maren Hachmann 02 Jun '17

02 Jun '17

Hi all, just noticed someone updated the front page for this year's summer of code (when I wanted to do that). Was the change meant to be published, or is there a reason why it's not published yet? Could any website editors, when they make a change that requires translation (i.e. not typo corrections), please send a short notice to the translators mailing list to notify us about the page that has been changed and the nature of the change? We don't have any diffs for website edits anymore, and I'd find it unfortunate if we all had to rely on me noticing any changes for keeping translations of the website in sync. Thank you! Kind Regards, Maren

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GitLab Migration Schedule
by Ted Gould 02 Jun '17

02 Jun '17

Howdy folks, As we've discussed more that once we're looking to move a Bazaar repositories on Launchpad over to Git repositories on GitLab. We're no closing in on the time for that migration. We've discussed a schedule in the board meeting this afternoon and I wanted to make sure everyone is aware of the plan. We're expecting 24-hours of "downtime" as part of this. Step 1:

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Inkscape Board meeting at Noon PDT today.
by Tavmjong Bah 02 Jun '17

02 Jun '17

Hi, Just a reminder there is an Inkscape board meeting today in less than two hours. http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Board_Meetings Everybody is welcome to participate. Tav

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Paris Hackfest Update
by Tavmjong Bah 02 Jun '17

02 Jun '17

Hi all, The Paris hackfest is less than a month away! It's time to start planning an agenda. Please help with this by adding topics to: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Hackfest2017_Topics If you haven't signed up yet, it's not too late to. Please add your name to: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Hackfest2017_Attendees Tav

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Git Migration
by Martin Owens 02 Jun '17

02 Jun '17

Hi Bryce + devs, I'm a bit worried about the Git migration. I'm a bit impatient ;-) but we haven't heard much from KK about availability and I'm thinking we need to plan a contingency. Thoughts? Are we planning to get this done at the hackfest? Best Regards, Martin Owens

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last used style
by brynn 01 Jun '17

01 Jun '17

Hi Friends, I've been trying to get my nerve up to ask about this, since I first used Inkscape, 10 years ago. So here goes. Can anyone give me a good reason for having all the tools styles set, by default, to last used style? In 10 years, I have never met, seen, or heard of anyone who needs this feature; while we have to answer this same general problem for newbies over and over and over again. Countless times I've answered these messages. I'll bet I don't even need to give examples, do I? I would guess it's the single biggest stumbling block for newbies. It certainly must be the single most asked question by newbies. At least in forums, and probably LP Answers. I can imagine rare scenarios, where someone might actually use this feature. But if I want an object the exact same style as the one before, I simply duplicate (or copy/paste, or paste style). So it's a mystery to me why last used style should be the default behavior, when we have all these other perfectly suitable features, which don't cause newbies (and those who help them) so many headaches. I understand if we might not want to throw it out the window ((although that's what I would do with it, haha)). But is there any chance we could at least not have it to be the default behavior? When we first download and open Inkscape for the first time, all the tools have a characteristic style. If I recall, it's a pink rectangle, light blue circle, yellow star, and green spiral, with darker tones for the strokes, and all partially transparent. And for Pencil and Pen, I guess it's the black stroke. Could we just keep those styles, but set all the tools for "This tool's own style" instead of "Last used style"? And could we have this the default behavior for when newbies first install Inkscape? Oh, it would save us SO, so much time, those of us who answer newbie questions, day in and day out. I'd be so happy to write up a bug/feature request report for this, if there isn't some serious objection. Thanks for listening, brynn

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Inkscape Board Meeting
by Bryce Harrington 01 Jun '17

01 Jun '17

== Board Meeting == We'll hold another board meeting this Friday, March 3rd at noon Pacific in #inkscape-devel. All members of the community are welcome to participate. http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Board_Meetings Agenda: + Sponsorship Levels + Hackfests: Portland, Paris + Merchandise sales + Inkscape gitlab + Other

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Scribus 1.5.3 released
by "Christoph Schäfer" 29 May '17

29 May '17

The Scribus Team is proud to announce the release of development release 1.5.3, another major step on the way to Scribus 1.6.0. In addition to being a milestone in terms of typographic features, the Scribus Team is convinced that 1.5.3 has become stable enough to be used in new workflows and documents in a similar way to the transition from 1.3.3.x to 1.4.0 after the release of version 1.3.6. However, care must be taken, because this is still a development release. Scribus 1.5.3 is very fast and has been thoroughly tested. Generally, everything that works reliably in 1.4.x also works in 1.5.3, but it's faster and more versatile. On top of that, it includes additional and already overwhelmingly reliant features galore. Most Important Changes ====================== - The most important change isn't immediately visible, namely a completely rewritten text layout engine, which supports complex scripts like Arabic, Hindi or Thai, as well as providing access to advanced OpenType features, such as ligatures and alternate glyphs. - Altogether, about 500 languages and/or scripts are supported. Please note that as of version 1.5.3, Scribus is supposed to render these diverse writing systems, which still needs thorough testing by those who are familiar with them. - Typing on the canvas and text rendering in general has become a lot faster. - Previews for fonts are now available in font selectors. - The "Text" tab has been removed from the Properties Palette and is now a separate UI palette. - The performance of copying and pasting objects in/from/to files with huge color palettes has been vastly improved. - An import filter for Krita's KRA format has been added. - Scribus now follows the XDG standard for configuration files. Therefore, the Scribus preferences directory has moved from ~/.scribus/ to a new default location: ~/.config/scribus/ - Color selectors display the color values as a tooltip. - A longstanding problem with the launch option for an external image editing program has been resolved. Until version 1.5.3 it was necessary to manually close the external program before it could be started again from within Scribus. This is no longer necessary. - The "Wikipedia RAL Classic" color palette has been updated, this time using Wikipedia's LAB color values. - A script called "Caption" has been included, which adds a text frame to an image frame, based on the latter's proportions. - The "Autoquote" scripts now supports inverted guillemets via the "de-g" parameter. - Code improvements have been made based on recommendations from using both the Coverity scan tool (https://scan.coverity.com/) and the "clazy" tool (https://github.com/KDE/clazy). These changes improved efficiency, removed bugs and improved security. - Countless bugs, mostly introduced with the new features in earlier releases of 1.5.x, have been fixed. For details see the 1.5.3svn changelog (https://bugs.scribus.net/changelog_page.php?version_id=102) New Dependencies ================ - As of version 1.5.3, the minimum Qt version to compile the program is 5.5. - harfbuzz and libicu, as well as the related development packages are now required. Caveats - Some newly introduced features, like footnotes, may not function as desired, at least not yet. - The file format may undergo some changes between the current release and 1.6.0, so we advise caution when it comes to workflows that use automated document generation or parsing. - Vertical writing systems aren't supported for the time being, but support will be added in a later release. - The Online Help hasn't been completely updated, and it won't be until the final 1.6.0 release. Special Credits =============== - This version builds significantly on the code from 1.5.2 with the work that the Oman House of Open Source Technology team, led by Khaled Hosny, delivered. - 1.5.3 uses all of the remainder of the code, and we have Fahad Al-Saidi to thank for his continued work and especially for the bug triaging and code changes. - Andreas Vox introduced a layout cache to speed up text rendering. - William Bader has fixed the issue of launching several instances of an external image editing program. - Contributions to GUI translations via participants on the Transifex translation platform Primary Download Locations ========================== - Installation packages for Windows, Mac OS X, a Linux AppImage and the source code are available here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/scribus/files/scribus-devel/1.5.3/ - Fedora and CentOS RPMs: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/mrdocs - OpenSUSE, SLED, and SLES RPMs: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/mrdocs - Packaging for other Linux distributions, *BSD, Solaris and OpenIndiana is beyond our influence. We recommend updating the respective repository data on a regular basis. - Windows Portable App: http://portableapps.com/apps/office/scribus_portable#test Download Verification ===================== Please visit the official announcement on https://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/1.5.3_Release for Sha256 and Sha1 checksums. Expectations for Scribus 1.5.4 ============================== - An entire rebuild of the palette system used in Scribus, enabling a cleaner and more flexible GUI - Updates to dependencies, with a likely increase to Qt 5.6 - Migration of build systems or targeted versions of operating systems to later versions Credits ======= The Scribus Team would like to thank Anduin.net and Modirum for their continued hosting of all of the Scribus websites. We are grateful to the Organisation Internationale de la Francophonie and Linux New Media (Germany) for sponsoring. The Scribus Team is also honored to have Resene Colours (New Zealand), dtp studio Oldenburg (Germany), Scientific Illustration Services Corp. (USA), the Newspaper Association of America (USA), Software Consulting Services (USA), freieFarbe e.V. (Germany), bauwerk Kommunikationsdesign (Germany) as Special Supporters and donors of color palettes and other content since the 1.4.x release, just like we are grateful to the owner of Vector Portal for the permission to distribute some of his work as Scribus Templates. Porting Scribus to OS/2 and eComStation is being supported by Serenity Systems (USA). Finally, the Scribus Team would like to thank the many end users, translators, testers and contributors who helped us with this release.

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OpenType Variable Fonts on Inkscape (and possibly other libre graphics tools)
by Felipe Sanches 24 May '17

24 May '17

Hello, Inkscape friends, == Intro == ** You can skip this part if you already know me or if you don't really care for the intro details :-D ** I've been active in Inkscape development a long time ago (circa 2007-2010, I think), but then I moved on to collaborate on other projects such as GNU LibreDWG, FontForge, Metapolator, Kicad and a few programs in the 3D printing toolchain such as Sprinter/Repetier firmware, Pronterface and OpenSCAD. Also I'm regularly contributing to the MAME Project and heavily interested in Coreboot/Libreboot, etc. And during the past year and a half I've been developing and maintaining the FontBakery project, a Quality-Assurance testsuite for font families. == LGM Brazil == Last month I've attended the Libre Graphics Meeting here in Brazil and had the opportunity to meet a few GIMP developers. Unfortunately no-one from the Inkscape team was there this time, other than the couple of Brazilian past contributors (myself and Aurelio Heckert). == Variable Fonts == Dave Crossland brought to my attention that there's an opportunity for the "big four" libre graphics programs that heavily rely on typography (Inkscape, GIMP, Scribus and LibreOffice) to implement support for OpenType Font Variations (a.k.a. "variable fonts") before the proprietary graphics applications do so. It seems that while the major web-browsers are all already jumping into the "variable fonts" technology, the proprietary graphics tools are not so fast. The underlying free software libraries already provide the support for that. Harfbuzz did implement support on its January release, providing a new API for OpenType variable fonts. I wonder if anyone here is interested in getting involved in the implementation of support for that in Inkscape. == My plan for Variable Fonts in Inkscape (and perhaps GIMP) == With that in mind, I am planning to spend a full day per work-week dealing with this. I have started to do so last week. I spent last Thursday setting up my development machine to properly build GIMP and Inkscape from source. I know Inkscape is moving into git at some point very soon, but since it seems it did not happen yet, I decided to use git-bzr to have my own local git tree, where I feel more comfortable working. Then I built several dependency libraries needed to build these projects. GIMP still fails to build, but I already got Inkscape-devel built and running. Nice to see the recent improvements someone did on the measurement tool I implemented years ago. Thanks a lot! After that, I read the relevant portions of the text-handling code in Inkscape sources (most of it on the src/libnrtype/ directory). I see that it relies on Pango for setting up font description data-structures based on the user's font selection. And, if I got it right, Pango uses HarfBuzz+Cairo as its underlying layout & rendering backend. So, my first thought is that we may add a variable fonts "bridge-API" on pango that redirects the calls to the underlying harfbuzz hb_ot_var_* API. Or the other alternative would be to entirely migrate Inkscape code into using harfbuzz directly (ditching pango usage). Please correct me if I misunderstood things here, but it seems to me that both approaches could work, while the first is a quick and dirty hack while the second would be the nicer way of doing things even though it would require a larger coding effort. I'm copying Behdad Esfahbod in this thread as he is the developer of both Pango and HarfBuzz and may be interested in commenting on this. Happy Hacking, Felipe "Juca" Sanches

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UniConvertor
by Tavmjong Bah 23 May '17

23 May '17

Hi, Does anybody have UniConvertor working anywhere? Fedora 25 includes UniConvertor 2.0 which seems to fail do to a missing dependency (sk1libs). Tav

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Update to window rotation.
by Jean-François Lemaire 23 May '17

23 May '17

I too use an Intuos tablet but I disabled the touch feature because I hate it. I hope modest stylus users like myself won't be forgotten. Cheers, JFL

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telegram inkscape
by Jabier Arraiza 22 May '17

22 May '17

Hi all anyone has get the t.me/inkscape from telegram direction. Its cool if can delete the acount and the url reserved and send to inkscape board to manage it. Whith this inkscape community has the best link to telegram services we want to add in the future. Thanks so much in advance.

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Devanagari font rendering not correct
by Raghavendra Kamath 18 May '17

18 May '17

Hi, I noticed that the Devanagari (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari) font and possibly other indic scripts with overlapping ligatures and diacritics, Don't render correctly in inkscape. The part where the elements overlap leave a hole, and there is a gap in horrizontal bar at the top. If I remember correctly this is recent problem after .92 (I will try to get older inkscape version and test this). I have also filed a bug report here -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1691631 You can see a screenshot where the same word is written in same font in inkscape and libreoffice here -> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/320136836/inkscapevslibreoffice-devanagari.p… Notice the gap in the top horizontal line and also the holes where the top diacritics intersect with the horizontal lines. I kindly request others to test and check if this problem is present in other scripts where there are overlapping elements, and if they encounter same problem please add comment to the bug report. This gives a problem for people using inkscape for lettering comics or typesetting using these scripts. Thank you -- Raghavendra Kamath Illustrator raghukamath.com

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Stable 0.92.1 and gcc-7
by Ken Moffat 17 May '17

17 May '17

I know that trunk has been cleaned up for gcc-7, but some of us prefer to build rleases. The following patch (backported from trunk, boy, do I hate bazaar ;) fixed the errors I was getting. Now, I don't have all the possible deps, so it might be that there are other problems I haven't seen, but maybe this will help someone. ĸen -- I live in a city. I know sparrows from starlings. After that everything is a duck as far as I'm concerned. -- Monstrous Regiment

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
by Maren Hachmann 17 May '17

17 May '17

Hi, sorry for the delay. I've been trying things out a bit, and I feel I haven't seen enough yet, but I won't have time tomorrow, so posting anyway now. So, it seems that what we still need for a manual (any kind) is a platform to create it (not only write, but also output to different formats). I have had a chance to look at 3 different platforms on my list, and I'm trying to outline the pros and cons, as I perceive them, please add yours to the list. There are many more platforms in existance (see also: https://github.com/PharkMillups/beautiful-docs#generating-docs), and if anyone here has some experience with them, please add. ************* - Gitlab Wiki + X, as suggested by Martin. WHAT: An online Wiki on gitlab with a source code editor, associated with a gitlab project. PROS: - custom-made to suit the project's individual needs (no specifics yet) - Preview functionality CONS: - only (limited set of) Markdown, RDoc or AsciiDoc - limited formatting options, formatting not so much about 'roles' of formatted text, but more about 'looks' - the backend isn't written yet - no option for branches via interface (so we could start writing for trunk, and continue fixing for stable) - no direct translation support - support for the backend depends upon a single individual, no user community - no WYSIWYG editor - no GUI access to git repo, for managing where to put uploaded files etc. - no GUI for undoing a change (like in a 'normal' Wiki), or looking at a diff EXAMPLE (frontend): https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-web/wikis/home ************* - Gitlab Editor + Sphinx / readthedocs: WHAT: A git repository with an online source code editor and documentation update on readthedocs.org on save (i.e. commit). PROS: - available quickly (didn't know how it works exactly, but got it all up and running with test content within an evening) - uses git and reStructured Text - allows to have branches, so devel version features can be documented when they are coded - supports translations (not entirely sure how, though, haven't tested it yet, wanted to send this email instead. E.g. Django docs are translated. Fallback to English if no translation of a document. I think they use different branches.) - free theming, separately for each output format - free hosting, can also use our own domain name with readthedocs.org, e.g. docs.inkscape.org - after installing some programs, tool chain runs locally - preview via gitlab editor or local editor - same toolchain can be used for developer documentation (includes code documentation from docstrings) - extensible via plugins (haven't had a chance to take a closer look yet or test any) - I think it's possible to add a 'edit this page on gitlab' link to each page, to get new contributors, even when using readthedocs.org (not tested, but read that others did similar things) - extremely wide range of export formats via plugins - infinite hierarchy nesting - syntax highlighting (e.g. for command line usage instructions, or extension writers) - video embedding (not tested) CONS: - learning curve for admin (theming, plugins,...) - learning curve for editors (syntax, workflow) - no WYSIWYG editor, only preview (incomplete, because doesn't support all sphinx stuff) EXAMPLE: - repository: https://gitlab.com/Moini/inkscape-extensions-multi-bool/tree/master/docs - rendered documentation: http://inkscape-multi-bool-extension.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html ************* - Booktype: WHAT: A web portal for creating books, hosted by friends of the Inkscape project. PROS: - available right now, no further setup required - best interface by far, easy and intuitive to use - team functions, user roles, chat - prevents concurrent editing - wide range of export and import formats - support for themes/settings for specific export formats (e.g. different font sizes etc.) - free hosting and maintenance via flossmanuals(fr) - community of experienced documentors CONS: - confinement to django database for version control, more difficult to get data out of it again for editing - no direct translation support (make a copy of the book, copy changes over after doing a comparison in the history) - limited versioning support (only the latest one can be edited) - we'd need to ask someone to add CC-By-SA licence (currently, the options I got were CC-By, GPL. I guess this would be quick and easy to solve.) EXAMPLE (rendered documentation): https://www.flossmanualsfr.net/initiation-inkscape/ ************* All of them would be FLOSS, have support for internal linking, allow to insert images and allow editing via browser. ************* I wish it were possible to combine the ease of use of the booktype frontend with the portability, branch support, sustainability and versatility of the gitlab/sphinx/readthedocs backend... (In German that's called the 'eierlegende Wollmilchsau' - egg-laying wool- and milk-giving pig...) For the sphinx option, I believe I'd be able to take on the first setup and some of the tasks that come with customization and extending, as well as basic maintenance. For Booktype, anyone of the documentation writers could do that easily. Regards, Maren

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Offer to help put inkscape on windows store
by Marc Jeanmougin 12 May '17

12 May '17

Hi all, I recently discussed on IRC with dwcares from Miscrosoft who wants to help us simplify precesses on windows. Here is his email: === David Washington from Microsoft here. Earlier this afternoon I had conversation with Marc about potentially publishing the Inkscape app to the Windows Store, the app store for Windows 10 PCs. The Windows Store now supports publishing Win32 Desktop apps with little or no code change using the Windows Desktop Bridge. Taking advantage of the Windows Desktop Bridge and Distributing through the Windows Store also provides simplified options for automated updates, easy install and uninstall, and provides a new distribution path for folks who may have not found Inkscape before. Our team has identified Inkscape as a top desktop app that we’d love to see in the Windows Store. Given this we have some resources to help with the process of getting this ported using the Windows Desktop Bridge and published to the Windows Store. The process itself is lightweight, and our team is equipped help walk you through getting it ported and published. We’ve done some early investigation on the Inkscape binaries and we haven’t identified any issues getting it published. If this is something that seems interesting to you, we can get together on the phone and talk through the details for the next steps of getting this published. If you’d rather make progress in email/IRC, we’re happy to accommodate what works for your team. We’re prepared to work with you on getting this published as early as next week. I look forward to working together. I’ve included some folks from my team who will be helping you. Thanks much, David Washington Microsoft | Developer Experience | 206-605-2062 === Eduard, Nicolas or Partha, iirc you're the ones doing stuff on windows, could you take it from here if it seems interesting ? Thanks, -- Mc

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Hackfest lodging
by C R 12 May '17

12 May '17

So, now that we have some solid dates, I can help whoever needs it to get lodging. There are several reasonably priced locations that are just a few steps from the venue. Please send me an email if you want help getting a room. Please include your budget, what days you're attending, whether you require a single room, or whether you'd like to save more money and share. I'll do my best to reserve the space we need in the same part of the hotel. Thanks! -C

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moderators needed for the website
by brynn 12 May '17

12 May '17

Hi Friends, Thanks to Martin for creating the most amazing moderation system I've ever seen, for the website. Now that it's ready, volunteers are invited to join the website Moderation Team. Moderators work together to make decisions about each reported item (image, comment or member). No particular skills are needed. The biggest qualification is to care about maintaining the website as a beautiful and safe place for members to show their Inkscape work and interact. Most days you would only need to spend 15 to 20 minutes or less, although in the beginning, a little more time will probably be needed to become familiar with the system. And visit as many days as you can. The more moderators we have, the less time we each have to spend moderating. If you're interested in helping, please go to Community tab > Teams page (https://inkscape.org/en/teams/) and click on "Moderation Team". On the next page, click to request to join the team. (Sorry, I don't know exactly what the text is, for that link, but it will be regular size text, and orange color). After that, we'll contact you, and get you started. Thanks for your interest in contributing to the Inkscape Project :-) All best, brynn

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website moderation policy final
by brynn 12 May '17

12 May '17

Hi Friends, It seems like this last message about moderation policy got buried in all the recent important chatter. So I'm re-sending the most vital parts of it, so we can finish this up. For convenience, https://inkscape.org/community/coc/ And here's the suggested change: In the Guidelines for User-Submitted Content section, replace "Art and other content submitted to the Inkscape website should adhere to the following rules:" with "Content uploaded to the gallery should be related to Inkscape (e.g. created with Inkscape, created for use with Inkscape, showing how to work with Inkscape, etc.). We reserve the right to remove any content that does not seem appropriate or does not adhere to the following obligatory rules:" C R said > Little thing, but "created for use with Inkscape" could cover things like just regular images... in fact it could cover just about anything, even things made with Adobe Illustrator. I'd simply cut that bit out. Hhmm.....yes, I see what you mean. My interpretation of that, is for things like extensions or filters. But maybe there's a better way to say it? What about "created to be installed in Inkscape"? Or maybe just "to be installed in Inkscape"? That would eliminate any kind of image. Any other suggestions out there? Eduard? I wonder about adding "Inkscape Project"? Such as: "Content uploaded to the gallery should be related to Inkscape or the Inkscape Project (e.g. created...." That would cover things like a website graphics or page mockup, board meeting transcript, etc. C R said > If there's a significant amount of undesirable content currently, it's probably best to make it retroactive. If it's just a few things, then we should approach the owners about it. Not to be pushy, but to inform them of the new policy. To me, it's a significant amount. By my estimate, probably 1 or 2 thumbnails per page of the gallery are random photos! So that's way too many to consider trying to contact them. Personally, I would love to delete them without notice. But since the policy was not available at the time they uploaded, technically I think it's not fair to delete them. But they'll soon be shuffled further and further back, as the gallery grows. I'm happy just to get the policy settled and put it into effect. Thanks everyone for taking the time, and helping to finalize this issue. As far as I know, this will be the last step before we can start recruiting moderators, and using the system officially. All best, brynn

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
by Maren Hachmann 12 May '17

12 May '17

Would it make sense to use gitlab's new subgroups feature for this? The inkscape-docs team could be a sub-team of Inkscape, that way. There are only 4 members as of now, so changing wouldn't be so difficult as it might be later on. Maren > Am 28.04.2017 um 16:14 schrieb Martin Owens: >> On Fri, 2017-04-28 at 12:39 +0100, C R wrote: >>> I'd love to quit my job and just do docs. :) Unfortunately, that's >>> what it would probably take to get docs going to the extent we'd >>> like. >>> It's been discussed before, but never gone anywhere because of lack >>> of time/hands involved. >>> >>> Yes, we should use Scribus to do it. In fact, it should probably be a >>> github project to attract contributors. This way we can patch what >>> needs to be patched when stuff changes in subsequent releases. >> >> Sounds like you have a solid step one Chris. >> >> Here's the inkscape-docs group on gitlab, EVERYONE should join, there >> should be a button to join: >> >> https://gitlab.com/inkscape-docs >> >> And here's the new book/manual/docs project where files can be put: >> >> https://gitlab.com/inkscape/manuals >> >> I recommend using the wiki attached to the project to plan the >> adventure slowly. Add a bit at a time and don't rush to have something >> "complete" but have something small produced. >> >> Best Regards, Martin Owens >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> >

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Another video.
by Jabier Arraiza 11 May '17

11 May '17

Hi all, here is another video with new feats from a suv chalenge propose to me, thanks. All can enjoy in 0.92+devel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIzrQ2lpzuw See all!

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Let's encrypt: is this possible?
by Victor Westmann 10 May '17

10 May '17

Hi guys, I know that there is this amazing initiative out there called "Lets Encrypt" to enable a lot of sites to become HTTPS. Quoted from their own website: "*To enable HTTPS on your website, you need to get a certificate (a type of file) from a Certificate Authority (CA). Let’s Encrypt is a CA. In order to get a certificate for your website’s domain from Let’s Encrypt, you have to demonstrate control over the domain. With Let’s Encrypt, you do this using software that uses the ACME protocol <https://ietf-wg-acme.github.io/acme/>, which typically runs on your web host.*" If I got things right, they offer a free valid certificate. I know it must probably be expensive for us to enable thsi on our side (even though would give us even more credibility as an official website for the project). So... I was just wondering if this is doable from our perspective? Do we have an option to enable this on our side? Is it simple (it never is), is it expensive? https://letsencrypt.org/ Just wondering. --Victor Westmann

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Another video.
by Jabier Arraiza 09 May '17

09 May '17

Forget reply all :( Great!!! On Tue, 2017-05-09 at 18:21 +0000, Miguel Lopez wrote: > No way, you're joking, man. I gotta try this. > > > On 5/9/2017 2:20 PM, Jabier Arraiza wrote: > > Yes is gradient mesh, also works with all kind of gradients, fills, > > strokes, filters... you can apply individual things to each pieze > > and > > also allow live editing of nodes. > > > > Thanks for the feedbak! > > > > On Tue, 2017-05-09 at 18:12 +0000, Miguel Lopez wrote: > > > Is that gradient mesh? If so, wow. That makes it even more > > > impressive. Other than that, it's definitely getting more > > > powerful. > > > Wow. > > > > > > On 5/9/2017 2:08 PM, Jabier Arraiza wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, here is another video with new feats from a suv chalenge > > > propose to me, thanks. All can enjoy in 0.92+devel. > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIzrQ2lpzuw > > > > > > See all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---- > > > ----------- > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Inkscape-devel mailing list > > > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@...1784... > > > sour > > > ceforge.net> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > >

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Another video.
by Jabier Arraiza 09 May '17

09 May '17

Yes is gradient mesh, also works with all kind of gradients, fills, strokes, filters... you can apply individual things to each pieze and also allow live editing of nodes. Thanks for the feedbak! On Tue, 2017-05-09 at 18:12 +0000, Miguel Lopez wrote: > Is that gradient mesh? If so, wow. That makes it even more > impressive. Other than that, it's definitely getting more powerful. > Wow. > > On 5/9/2017 2:08 PM, Jabier Arraiza wrote: > > Hi all, here is another video with new feats from a suv chalenge > propose to me, thanks. All can enjoy in 0.92+devel. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIzrQ2lpzuw > > See all! > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@...1240... > ceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >

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New video "clonezilla"
by Jabier Arraiza 09 May '17

09 May '17

Hi all. here are my last video about clone original path LPE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAJAxKNY8lA Hope you like it.

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bspline-bug
by Jabier Arraiza 08 May '17

08 May '17

Hi all. Doing a design find a problem in a BSpline path that the closing node become auto-cusp, if move the path, go again to BSpline mode but on release again happends. The problem are I'm in the middle of the design and forget save a copy of the path and now I couldent reproduce. If anybody have the same problem, please send me the SVG. Thanks in advance. J.

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Amazon books, More info
by Jabier Arraiza 08 May '17

08 May '17

More info: https://www.createspace.com/

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Amazon book
by Jabier Arraiza 08 May '17

08 May '17

Hi all. If anybody is interested there is 2 platforms inside Amazon to publish with no money, and a commission, of course, printed books and ebooks. You "only" do the book, design ... and star selling. Also there is a owner special price that allow to resell or for presents to people involved, etc, with less margin of course. Maybe we can do a printing book of inkscape. They also provide legal codes for the book. I think it can be done in B&W or color. Cheers, Jabier.

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Let's encrypt: is this possible?
by Martin Owens 08 May '17

08 May '17

On Sat, 2017-05-06 at 10:54 -0700, Victor Westmann wrote: > When I go to inkscape.org on the chrome browser on an Android phone I > get this message (please check file attached). > That's why I asked. Thanks for checking this Martin. Ah I see, there are a couple of reasons for this. Most of them as that ssl is garbage for how many new crypto types you need to either switch on or switch off. So the error appears to be that one of the leafs being used in our SSL chain (AdTrust AB) is SHA1, which is just nuts, no leaf should be using SHA1. But this also explains why many SSL checkers I've run the site through give it a clean bill of heath. Our Cert is fine, but AdTrust's is out of date. :-( Are there any volunteers to help with this problem? Martin,

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Need help re-writing Eggbot extension
by D.W. Burger 08 May '17

08 May '17

I hope this is the right place to make this request. If not, maybe someone can point me to a better venue. I'm a non-programmer with an idea that I need help with. I want to use the EiBot Board from the Eggbot to construct a polargraph using 2 stepper motors and 1 servo that will be controlled from within Inkscape. The original Inkscape extension is written in Python and actually produces some readable output on a prototype polargraph I've constructed (see photo below). I've taken a look at the original Python script and have identified the key statements for moving the pen around. Anyone interested in helping with this? Thanks! Dave

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Inkscape Hackfest: Paris edition: June 27th — July 1st
by Tavmjong Bah 07 May '17

07 May '17

Hi all, The Paris hackfest is a go with board approval and a confirmed host (thanks Mc!). The hackfest dates are June 27th through July 1st. The first four days will be for hacking with a meeting with local Inkscape users on the fifth day (TBA). The hackfest will take place at Carrefour Numérique². This is a Fablab/hackerspace located inside Paris's excellent modern science museum. They use Inkscape all the time (and love it!). See http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Hackfest2017 for more details. Everyone in the Inkscape community is invited to attend! Financial support is available to Inkscape developers based on the number of years activity and number of commits to the source code. Support for others active in the Inkscape community (translators, documenters, etc.) will be handled on a case-by-case basis. For more details, see: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Hackfest2017_Attendees If you plan on attending please add your name to the above page or send me an email. The page has been seeded with those who have already expressed an interest in attending. Looking forward to seeing everyone in Paris! Tav

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Please migrate to GitHub/CMake
by Ivano Arrighetta 07 May '17

07 May '17

Hello there. My name is Ivano Arrighetta and I'm Italian. I would like to suggest to migrate to GitHub for version control, and to use CMake for creating build projects for Windows and Mac OS, other than Makefiles for *nix. GitHub also offers a WebSite builder and a Wiki for each repository, other than an issue tracker. I'm pretty sure everyone would benefit from this. Bye, Ivano.

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Week commits
by Jabier Arraiza 07 May '17

07 May '17

Hi all. This week do some changes to LPE and merge two branches: With the changes to LPE we have too much better response from effects, reducing to minimun the need to write on the parameter data and reshow the parameter widgets. The two branches: First of all sorry for not wait enought for a aprove check but I have a goal in a new branch in development to organice the code in LPE part of inkscape and want this merged to it. The first branch allow store the default parameter for each new live effect. I attach a screenshot time ago. The second branch is a refactor to fillet/chamfer LPE based in a new way to store data for each node in a pathvector. Specialy thanks Nathan and Tweenk for his help in development. This new way for fillet chamfer is not backward compatible, this is the reason for merge "too early" and dont launch it in 0.92. My apologyes for the problems can happends with old files. Please convert to path our previous fillet/chamfer works prior update trunk. Usage feedback are welcome ;) All the best, Jabier.

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Hackfest possibility - Paris Please Respond ASAP if interested!
by Tavmjong Bah 06 May '17

06 May '17

Hi, Marc has been looking for free spaces in Paris to hold a hackfest. He's found what looks like an ideal spot: Carrefour Numérique² located at the Cité des Sciences et de l'Industrie (an excellent modern science museum) in northeast Paris. http://www.cite-sciences.fr/fr/accueil/ http://www.cite-sciences.fr/en/explore/learn/carrefour-numeriqu e2/ There are Inkscape users there and they've even written their own in- house Inkscape plug-ins to drive their CNC machines. They've hosted other open-source groups including a monthly Blender users group and twice-a-year Ubuntu parties. They can offer us a "Numeric classroom" with five tables with power and wired Internet connection from May 29th to June 2nd. The question is, is there sufficient developer interest to pursue this? Please respond if you can attend. If there is enough interest I will present this option at the board meeting Friday. Tav

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Fwd: Re: Let's encrypt: is this possible?
by Miguel Lopez 06 May '17

06 May '17

-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Let's encrypt: is this possible? Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 13:51:36 -0400 From: Miguel Lopez <reptillia39@...3425...><mailto:reptillia39@...3425...> To: Martin Owens <doctormo@...400...><mailto:doctormo@...400...> Oh, ok. I never really paid attention to that as I rarely go there due to academic reasons, and I thought it didn't do this since someone brought this topic up. I guess all is clear now. On 5/6/2017 1:50 PM, Martin Owens wrote: > On Sat, 2017-05-06 at 17:43 +0000, Miguel Lopez wrote: >> Is it a option to automatically redirect to https? > It already does this, try and go to http://inkscape.org > >> On 5/6/2017 1:30 PM, Victor Westmann wrote: >>> Thank you Maren and Tobias >>> For pointing this out. I was not so sure. Sometimes I am visiting >>> the inkscape website and I noticed it points to the http version >>> instead of the https one. >>> Great to hear this. I rest my case. :)

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board meeting today?
by brynn 05 May '17

05 May '17

Hi Friends, Is there a board meeting today? Thanks, brynn

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website moderation policy
by brynn 02 May '17

02 May '17

Hi Friends, I've been helping to test some new moderation features which Martin has been working on (and Maren helping too), for the website. We have realized that (A) we might have different opinions about what the moderation policies should be, and (B) the current CoC might not cover them. But we all agree that the larger community should be involved, if the CoC needs to be edited. For convenience, the CoC says this: "Guidelines for User Submitted Content: Art and other content submitted to the Inkscape website should adhere to the following rules: -- Art must be your own original creation or derived from artwork available under an open licence. We cannot accept submissions that infringe copyrights. -- No nudity or graphic violence. (Note: we may allow this type of content once it is possible to tag it as such, but pornographic and/or illegal material would still be disallowed.) -- No content that is explicitly discriminatory in nature. -- No political agitation or totalitarian symbolism." Up until the moderation features are completed, installed and in use, the policy for images in the gallery has been this. As long as the image doesn't violate those 4 guidelines, it's acceptable, even though it may have nothing to do with Inkscape. After that, the gallery has been relying on a very small upload quota for members, to prevent mass spam attacks. In my opinion, resources uploaded to the website should bear some relation to Inkscape. Or more specifically, those which have no relation to Inkscape should not be allowed. Here's what I propose: >> Images should be made in whole or in part with Inkscape, or depict how >> Inkscape was utilized in user projects (such as a photo of a t-shirt which >> design was made with Inkscape). >> Any other images need to have some relation to Inkscape, the Inkscape Project >> (website, forums, hackfest), vector graphics, or marginally, FOSS. (maybe >> not FOSS?) This would exclude images like these: https://inkscape.org/en/~stacymcgraw@...1081.../%E2%98%85img-0616 https://inkscape.org/en/~KarenFechter/%E2%98%8520160319-150913+1 https://inkscape.org/en/~lgimenezborges/%E2%98%85vklsd https://inkscape.org/en/~Astro.C/%E2%98%85three-musketeers https://inkscape.org/en/~richardkwok0128/%E2%98%85testing+0 The reason I feel this way, is because there must be hundreds, if not thousands of galleries on the internet, where people can upload any kind of random photo. Why should the Inkscape website waste its resources hosting images which weren't made with Inkscape and have nothing to do with it? If the Inkscape website is going to the trouble of creating and maintaining a gallery, it ought to promote Inkscape, vector graphics, and maybe FOSS, almost, if not completely exclusively. My opinion of course ;-) So I propose the following, or something like it, should be the first item in the list of Guidelines for User Submitted Content. No doubt it could be worded better. -- Images must be created using Inkscape, in whole or in part; or depict how Inkscape was utilized for the user's project (such as a photo of a t-shirt which design was created using Inkscape). Or otherwise the image or resource must bear some relation to Inkscape, the Inkscape Project, vector graphics (or FOSS??) Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions on this? Thank you very much, brynn PS - Should this be cross posted to the user list too?

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Marketing Inkscape - Survey Preview (Ryan Gorley)
by jelle 02 May '17

02 May '17

Ryan, The interesting thing about SVG is that it can be used for both web and print graphics design without a need for conversion. The main lack for print graphics design are CMYK and spot colour support in SVG 1.1, which if I'm correct should be addressed in SVG 2.0. Unfortunately SVG 2.0 is dropping support for SVG fonts, which would have been the nail in the coffin of PDF otherwise. For a brief moment SVG was bound to be the choice of archiving around the world, but that was not in the interests of the companies that contributed to the standard. Just link your 14 MB hanyul opentype font for those 20 characters of Chinese to load or generate a separate font file for every page rather than embed it into the document (or maybe that can be done using base64 encoding). Sadly SMIL got dropped likewise. CSS animation is the bomb,... duh or javascript (if not blocked by the users that are fed up with agressive ads and CSS bloat). However, the SVG standard still allows to be used for a single document type work flow for all 2d graphics design types. Multi page document types would be a great addition and to my idea could be fairly easily be incorporated by adding objects in page groups like is now done with layers. I guess that having layers and page groups would be more of a hassle as each page would need to have those layers embedded into their group and during saving as standard SVG they need to get separated into single pages as SVG doesn't do multi page docs. It's a pity I'm a lousy coder though if I'd started 8 years ago with it it might have been implemented by now and I been a better coder (I would think). I can imagine that making links to pages and clicking them might unhide this page layer while hiding the active layer. Wonderful visions of multiple documents opened in one instance of Inkscape (joy) that can be tabbed, viewed in multiple open windows so you could select links on the other page etc. CMYK is a nastier problem because as I understand it Cairo (the renderer) doesn't support that. I believe that the only feasible way is to make things in Inkscape, export a bitmap, import it into Scribus (because it doesn't support SVG filters) and have the 32 bit .png be converted to CMYK .tif if you actually need black (~140MB for A4 at 200 dpi). I'm not sure what happens to CMYK info that gets exported from Inkscape to PDF, though my business cards look pretty good, so it may actually retain the CMYK info. It may also have been converted by the printer, but as they were Chinese I didn't discuss much with them. Both aspects have been a long standing wish from the graphics designers user base of Inkscape, but they are considered hard to implement or just not that sexy or both. Personally, I've been using Inkscape for the past 8 years as a single work flow tool to create both print and web graphics. What is lost to many is that this is an enormous time saver for designers and it allows for a higher productivity. Or at least ideally. If anything I consider full CMYK support the main issue. If I only could sent my Inkscape document straight to a output device, I could dramatically cut my production time. In print, where many things need to be completed before the customer enters your office that would greatly improve the usability.

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Freelance work wanted
by Jabier Arraiza 02 May '17

02 May '17

Hi all. Im searching fot the developer that made the PDF import in inkscape to send contact to Sayan. At the end there is our conversations. Cheers, Jabier. > Sounds good, Jabier. Thank you so much! > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Marker <info@...2893...> wrote: > > > Hi Sayan. > > > > I could do a recuest to him in Inkscape developer mailing list. ¿Is > > ok? > > > > Cheers, Jabier. > > > > > > On Tue, 2017-05-02 at 18:33 +1000, sayan wrote: > > > Hi Jabier, > > > > > > Thank you for your response! > > > > > > If you could contact this developer (or give me their launchpad > > > profile > > > link if you have), it would be a great help! > > > > > > Thank you very much! > > > > > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Marker <info@...2893...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Is great to hear you and your interest. Im available but maybe > > you > > > > prefer contact first with the current developer of the PDF > > import. > > > > I > > > > could try to contact with him/her. > > > > > > > > Also Im not a english speaker... > > > > > > > > Thanks for your interest over Inkscape. > > > > > > > > Cheers, Jabier. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2017-05-02 at 02:13 +0000, Sayan Bhattacharyya wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I found you on the Inkscape top commits list. We are looking > > to > > > > > customise the Inkscape command line tool for Ubuntu for our > > > > > business > > > > > application. Specifically, we are interested in the PDF -> > > SVG > > > > > conversion utility and wanted to check if you would be > > available > > > > > to > > > > > work > > > > > with us on a fixed price contract? > > > > > > > > > > The project will be in different phases. If you are available > > for > > > > > contractual work to customise Inkscape source code for > > clients, > > > > > we > > > > > would > > > > > love to hear from you! Once you get back to us, we can > > discuss > > > > > the > > > > > project and scope post the execution of an NDA. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Sayan > > > > > Founder and CTO, Desygner > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sayan > Hi, > > I found you on the Inkscape top commits list. We are looking to > customise the Inkscape command line tool for Ubuntu for our business > application. Specifically, we are interested in the PDF -> SVG > conversion utility and wanted to check if you would be available to > work > with us on a fixed price contract? > > The project will be in different phases. If you are available for > contractual work to customise Inkscape source code for clients, we > would > love to hear from you! Once you get back to us, we can discuss the > project and scope post the execution of an NDA. > > Thanks, > Sayan > Founder and CTO, Desygner

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Fwd: Re: Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
by Miguel Lopez 01 May '17

01 May '17

I have made videos of workarounds, and anyone making a workaround docs can use my video without my permission. I will upload them soon. Those docs can be deleted once Inkscape gets certain features, and I will delete those videos the minute Inkscape supports certain features. For now I have this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5TkIETfQa4 The point of the video is to show users how they can make a easily accessible editable mask in Inkscape without ever having to release mask. It also shows how to get some fade-out effect usually made with raster programs. There's the issue of the mask showing over the target object, and if I hide the editable mask layer, so does the mask goes to black. The one I will upload after are 2 Gradient Stroke workarounds videos - With Profile LIne, and without profile line 1 tangency line workaround video utilizing spiro, b-spline, and regular bezier path Way later I will do a shoe render, and how to use clip and masks in order to generate a extremely realistic-looking shoe that is 100 percent vector, but some of those results can easily be achieved with raster programs. I will also try to generate a warped pattern, and show how to achieve that. I know I'm not the best person to make a tutorial. On 4/29/2017 6:36 PM, Victor Westmann wrote: Hi Miguel, I think this is a GREAT advantage for the entire Inkscape project. It makes all the sense of the world to help users do all the needed workarounds and, if they want, help send funds to the project ($$) and/or a bug request on Gitlab(is it at Gitlab really?). Amazing. The more transparent we are (and we really are) the better. --Victor Westmann 2017-04-29 10:39 GMT-07:00 Miguel Lopez <reptillia39@...3425...<mailto:reptillia39@...3425...>>: I want to put out something regarding documentations. What about workarounds to Inkscape limitations as part of the documentation? Some users really need some answers to the limitation of Inkscape. There's another idea I have in mind. For making tutorials shorter, we can use existing tutorials of our own and linking to them as part of advanced section of Inkscape tutorials. Advanced users should already know the program in and out to know how to apply them for advanced rendering. Some of those might need workarounds though. My only issue with those workaround is the amount of time they require, and the tax on limited resources. Otherwise, if those weren't a issue, they would be fantastic though they're still not a replacement to what other programs has to offer. I can offer making workaround docs if anyone wants me to show how to work around Inkscape limits. For example : 1) Gradient Stroke - 1a) Method 1 (If profile line aren't needed) - Duplicate and then adjust stroke width, and then convert to path. Every strokes must be converted to path. You copy and paste the path that is going to get removed by applying the path difference. You repeat the process, and then you get every individual stroke which can be colored as however you please. 1b) Method 2 (If profile line is needed) You apply the same thing to the above, but you are not going to use stroke width. Instead, you are going to use power stroke to emulate profile line with gradient stroke. 2) Realistic Rendering of convulated objects like a shoe. 2a) This involves series of clipping, blurring, gradient mesh and brushing. Right now, Inkscape users can only use gradient mesh for basic overall lighting, and some bit of coloring using filtering since gradient mesh is underdeveloped in Inkscape. You apply blur to brushes in order to emulate shading. Doing this a lot can give very sastifying result within Inkscape, but also drains so much of rendering speed within Inkscape even with a powerful computer. But results are literally comparable to raster programs, and in some way even better because well, it's scalable. 3) The lack of warp tool for textures workaround 3a) As of now, we do have lattice tool, and the tweak liquifying tool. Those two can be used as a workaround to the lack of warp tool. Lattice deformation tool should had the option of allowing users to tweak the tangency line though instead of the tangency line being tangent to the horizontal and vertical direction. This is not something that can have a decent workaround since it requires duplicating so many objects and then tweaking it would be a major pain. For complicated textures, it can't be done within Inkscape unless you have a infinite amount of time and resource, and as we all know that's not possible. 4) For people who have trouble with tangency snapping (I'm one of those), and no that snapping option does not help one bit. 4a) The obvious workaround involves using the show handles. You can make tangent line utilizing the result of the show handles LPE. Also, this enables users to be able to create perpendicular, and tangent spiro path. 5) The lack of ease regarding manipulating mask/clip 5a) The workaround to this is well, using the clone as the masking/clipping source while retaining the original for clipping/masking at another location. This workaround works because you can always manipulate the source object, and hide it. It is almost exactly like as if you were manipulating transparency mask within Krita or Photoshop or GIMP. After testing it, it's beautiful really when you change between layer/group. 6) PDF export limitation 6a) The obvious workaround here is well, export to png and then convert to pdf. Of course, some rasterization would be needed if one has to convert to pdf, literally at times. I think those are the 6 issues that could be addressed via docs tutorial for those who are desperate to find a solution to those. They can always resort to Krita for those (except 6 because pdf export is not planned), but that's not a option if they have to create a vector render. If there's anything I miss regarding workarounds, lemme know. I can probably add more workarounds if I miss anything as I know the program in and out from a user perspective. On 4/29/2017 11:54 AM, C R wrote: >> I don't mean to slow anyone's roll here. But wouldn't it make more sense to put >> any kind of energy towards documentation into the much discussed, direly needed, >> user-focused, step by step manual? Rather than starting from scratch on a whole >> different kind of project? > Yea, this actually makes a lot of sense as a first step. > >> There are many books out there already, which amount to a series of tutorials. >> It's not a bad thing. I just think this kind of project is better suited for a >> single author, or maybe a small team. And I think the project needs the manual >> much, more more than the community needs another book of tutorials. > I agree. I think the book could be a lot of things in one. But I agree > with finishing what we already have before starting something new. > > >> As far as I understand, all that's needed is an English translation of...well >> can't find a link to the French version. Here's a link to whatever has been >> translated already: >> https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/introduction/ > I can't help with translation, unfortunately. But I'd like to see this > finished. So +1 for the suggestion. > >> Once we have the translation, we'll be off and running to update and finish it! >> By the way, is there anything those of us who can't translate, can do, to help >> the translators? > I volunteer to help this effort in what ways are needed. > >> And won't such a new book of tutorials have to be published? A big obstacle to >> writing any book is getting it published. You almost have to have an invitation >> from a publisher to be certain a book will get published. Or publish it >> yourself, which is not easy eitiher. > Books done in Scribus can be "published" in a variety of ways, opened > in browsers, laptops, eReaders, or just printed out. We could sell > printed copies along with other Inkscape stuff. Maybe copies signed by > members of the project would be kinda cool. No idea what the market is > for it, but the idea that we could do all of these at once is > attractive, and why I recommend Scribus. > > -C > >> Just my opinion :-) >> >> brynn >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Maren Hachmann >> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 4:01 PM >> To: Inkscape-Docs ; Inkscape Devel List >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? >> (targeting the moon) >> >> Would it make sense to use gitlab's new subgroups feature for this? >> >> The inkscape-docs team could be a sub-team of Inkscape, that way. There >> are only 4 members as of now, so changing wouldn't be so difficult as it >> might be later on. >> >> Maren >> >>> Am 28.04.2017 um 16:14 schrieb Martin Owens: >>>> On Fri, 2017-04-28 at 12:39 +0100, C R wrote: >>>>> I'd love to quit my job and just do docs. :) Unfortunately, that's >>>>> what it would probably take to get docs going to the extent we'd >>>>> like. >>>>> It's been discussed before, but never gone anywhere because of lack >>>>> of time/hands involved. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, we should use Scribus to do it. In fact, it should probably be a >>>>> github project to attract contributors. This way we can patch what >>>>> needs to be patched when stuff changes in subsequent releases. >>>> Sounds like you have a solid step one Chris. >>>> >>>> Here's the inkscape-docs group on gitlab, EVERYONE should join, there >>>> should be a button to join: >>>> >>>> https://gitlab.com/inkscape-docs >>>> >>>> And here's the new book/manual/docs project where files can be put: >>>> >>>> https://gitlab.com/inkscape/manuals >>>> >>>> I recommend using the wiki attached to the project to plan the >>>> adventure slowly. Add a bit at a time and don't rush to have something >>>> "complete" but have something small produced. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, Martin Owens >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list >>>> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >>>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Fwd: Re: Marketing Inkscape - Survey Preview
by Miguel Lopez 01 May '17

01 May '17

Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Marketing Inkscape - Survey Preview Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:04:25 -0400 From: Miguel Lopez <reptillia39@...3425...><mailto:reptillia39@...3425...> To: brynn <brynn@...3133...><mailto:brynn@...3133...> Better idea, 3 surveys 1- Users Market Survey 2-Coding Survey 3-Follow-up Survey using the 2 for developers Maybe even more follow-up survey if there is some ambiguous decisions? On 5/1/2017 12:33 AM, brynn wrote: > Well, I had to answer the questions, to get to pages 2 and 3. But I didn't > submit, in the end. > > Because of the question about who I think should be using Inkscape (more in the > future), I think you need to restrict this survey to the kind of developers who > work with the code. Even though I pay attention to development issues, it > doesn't matter to me who should be using Inkscape more. I'd love to see > Inkscape be more popular, and see more people using it, but it doesn't matter to > me who they are. > > All best, > brynn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Gorley > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 1:52 PM > To: inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:inkscape-devel@...1240...ceforge.net> > Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Marketing Inkscape - Survey Preview > > > Hello all, > I have been in communication with Martin and Maren about assisting with some > marketing on the project. I am a designer and marketer by profession. You can > read the conversation that got this all started if you're interested, but in > short, I feel passionately about helping Inkscape succeed. > > I am emailing to get your feedback on a survey I would like to begin collecting > responses for. As I see it, growing users and growing contributors are two sides > of the same coin for any successful FOSS project. This particular survey is > focusing on the user side of that coin. My intent is to help develop criteria > for, and consensus around, who our primary markets for Inkscape should be. A > free and open application is of course for anyone to use for any reason. > However, because our resources in marketing this application are finite, we > really need to clarify and prioritize to have any hope for success. > > So here is the survey: https://goo.gl/forms/ReZkSjOMokkaoSln2 > > Don't spend your time responding (yet). I would like to make sure I'm covering > the right user segments here, so do email me with your thoughts. I'm glad to > meet you all and thanks for the help! > > > Ryan Gorley @ Dijt > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@...941...rge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:Inkscape-devel@...941...rge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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Email spam from inkscape.org
by Martin Owens 01 May '17

01 May '17

Hi all, I've disabled the email server on osuosl's machine which is hosting inkscape.org, it sent out some spam (50~140) with a rather inviting political headline subject, and a mortgage advert body. whereupon 22 people emailed me (the webmaster) with abuse. I'm going to continue to monitor it, but without some sort of expert that can tell if the machine is compromised, I may just have to keep email offline for now. Sorry for the inconvenience. Effected will be: registration confirmation emails, password resets and any website notifications. Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Email spam from inkscape.org
by Ryan Gorley 01 May '17

01 May '17

Taking a quick look it doesn't appear the domain has an SPF record setup. This will help receiving mail servers block mail claiming to be from the domain but not sent from an explicitly authorized IP address. It's just a specially formatted zone record you can add if you have access. This tool ( http://www.spfwizard.net) appears to make it pretty easy, though you'd probably figure it out after 10 minute on your own with the help of Google. I use http://www.mail-tester.com to verify I've got things configured right afterwards. On Apr 29, 2017 4:34 PM, "Martin Owens" <doctormo@...400...> wrote: On Sun, 2017-04-30 at 00:22 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: > Oh :-( Does anyone know someone who could help? > > (I guess you've already checked that the server actually sent those, > and that it wasn't just in the emails' 'From' field? - Sorry, that's > the only thing I know about this..., there are people doing that with > our private server, too. I think there is an option in the mail > server settings that allows other email programs to request > confirmation that the mail was actually sent from that server). Hi Maren, I suspect the emails weren't sent from our system, as the email addresses that replied don't appear in our mail logs. But I'm being cautious because the system isn't as secure as it could be with an expert in the helm. Martin Owens ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel

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[UX] Defaultable LPE parameter improved
by Jabier Arraiza 29 Apr '17

29 Apr '17

Hi Again. This mail is about the same. I'm not too much sattisfy with the UX proposal from yesterday and I do a full redesign. There is a special code not used yet that allow to show LPE and params inside a "inkscape-preferences" dialog. If anybody want to use it in the future I share the code here: https://inkscape.org/en/paste/10909/ The current UX is more simpler in code and in use. I attach screenshot. Please review strings. https://inkscape.org/en/~jabiertxof/%E2%98%85default-parameters-new-ux Cheers, Jabier.

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Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
by Victor Westmann 28 Apr '17

28 Apr '17

Hi team, I was not sure as where I was supposed to open this discussion (or question) of mine. I was just wondering... I do know that it takes a lot of time, and money, and then more time, and probably a lot of revisions... but do you guys think we can try to aim making something similar to this? https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/designer/workbook/ This is a hard copy, printed, material that Affinity Designer, from the Serif company, sell. I confess I don't have a copy of this material (yet) as it seems it only exists, officially, in the printed version... but I saw some samples and was really inspired and eager to check if we could do something on our own more or less of the same kind. We could try to use the Scribus to achieve such results.. and some open fonts (from Google and Adobe) and try to assemble 4 - 6 different big learning areas inside this Inkscape Activity Book. They could be: 1. Creating isometric graphics, (there is a super sweet plugin that works wonderfully in Inkscape 0.91.2) 2. Vectorizing simple photos, 3. creating logos (or recreating famous ones (not sure this is allowed)), there are multiple AMAZING examples of this on Nick Saporito Youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w) 4. UX-UI design to create webpage (or mobile apps) mockups. I know it is a lot of work. But we could try doing a smaller and simpler version of it to see how it goes. It would help us gather more money to the Inkscape project and follow, more or less, the model of Krita (they have a paid support option and some books to sell as well) and Blender (they have a store with multiple long and detailed tutorials on how to do things in videos (DVDs)). Just wondering... I know this might be asking too much... but I plan to be involved in this. Even if we have time for only 1 or 2 modules. It would be amazing to craft such material and spread it to the community (paid or free). --Victor Westmann

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