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Keeping the Size and Changing the Border
by Alexandre Guglielmi 30 Jun '23

30 Jun '23

Hi Folks! How to maintain the external size of an object by changing its border thickness? Every time I change the border thickness, the object size automatically changes as well. This is really annoying, because I have to resize again...but in that case the border thickness changes too. So I'm going to repeat this boring procedure until I get it. Thanks in advance Alexandre Guglielmi Florianópolis - Santa Catarina - Brazil

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Re: Keeping the Size and Changing the Border
by Alexandre Guglielmi 30 Jun '23

30 Jun '23

Nathan, I will try these alternatives suggested by both you and Robert. Honestly, I expected simpler solutions, for a problem that "doesn't seem to be complicated". I imagine a configuration like this: a checkbox with an option "keep the external size of the object, regardless of the thickness of the border". I don't have much knowledge in inkscape, I never took a course, but I think this editor is amazing. Thank you very much. Alexandre Em qua., 28 de jun. de 2023 17:35, Nathan Upchurch … [View More]<nathan(a)upchur.ch> escreveu: > It looks like there are a couple of things going on here. First, it seems > like you’re expecting the bounding box size of an object to reflect its > geometry, rather than include its stroke and effects. To change this > behavior, select Preferences > Tools > Geometric bounding box (per the > attached BoundingBox_x.png images). > > As Robert said, if you want to create a stroke inside of an object, it’s a > little tricky. I find the offset tools difficult and not especially well > documented, so I usually either use boolean operations to make the shape I > want, or I will: > > - Set stroke width to 2x what I need it to be > - Set stroke order so that the stroke is on top > - Duplicate the object (ctrl+d) > - Select both, Right Click > Set Clip > > (See InnerStroke_x.png images) > > > > -- > > Kind Regards, > > Nathan > > ------------------------------ > > *Out of office, on vacation, or on sick leave? I absolutely do not expect > a response until you're back! Work is endless and human lives are finite; > please take some time for yourself!* > > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 12:24:14 PM CDT Alexandre Guglielmi wrote: > > > Hi Nathan! > > > > > > Of course, I will below... > > > > > > See I increased the border thickness to 1.5mm and the outer size of the > > > object also increased, and I don't want that. > > > I want the object to remain the same external size. > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > [image: Captura de tela de 2023-06-28 14-14-03.png] > > > [image: Captura de tela de 2023-06-28 14-17-06.png] > > > > > > > > > Em qua., 28 de jun. de 2023 às 09:42, Nathan Upchurch <nathan(a)upchur.ch> > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > Can you show an example? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > Nathan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > *Out of office, on vacation, or on sick leave? I absolutely do not > expect > > > > a response until you're back! Work is endless and human lives are > finite; > > > > please take some time for yourself!* > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 7:07:27 PM CDT Alexandre Guglielmi wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Folks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to maintain the external size of an object by changing its border > > > > > > > > > thickness? > > > > > > > > > Every time I change the border thickness, the object size > automatically > > > > > > > > > changes as well. > > > > > > > > > This is really annoying, because I have to resize again...but in that > > > > case > > > > > > > > > the border thickness changes too. > > > > > > > > > So I'm going to repeat this boring procedure until I get it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexandre Guglielmi > > > > > > > > > Florianópolis - Santa Catarina - Brazil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Inkscape Users mailing list -- inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-user-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org > > > > > > > > > > [View Less]

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Re: Keeping the Size and Changing the Border
by W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof. 30 Jun '23

30 Jun '23

Alexandre - There are instructions for a couple of ways of doing what you want at https://superuser.com/questions/128814/how-to-create-an-inner-border-stroke…. The easiest way may be to use the trick near the bottom of the page, of unsetting the option (an icon on the toolbar at the top) that says 'When scaling objects, scale the stroke width by the same proportion'. (I sent this message yesterday but it was blocked because the 2 images made it too big. I have now removed them.) - Robert … [View More]________________________________ From: Alexandre Guglielmi <alexandre.guglielmi(a)gmail.com> Sent: June 28, 2023 13:32 To: W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof. <robert.funnell(a)mcgill.ca> Cc: inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org <inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] Keeping the Size and Changing the Border Hi Robert! I'm also not familiar with path tools. I expected there to be a "lock", to fix the external size of the object, regardless of the thickness of the border. But it seems that there is no such option in inkscape. It is very annoying to have to correct the size after changing the thickness of the border. Thanks by answer. Alexandre Below, follow a example... [images removed] Em qua., 28 de jun. de 2023 às 12:57, W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof. <robert.funnell(a)mcgill.ca<mailto:robert.funnell@mcgill.ca>> escreveu: Alexandre - I think that what you are looking for is a stroke that is inside the object boundary rather than centred on the object boundary. I believe that the former is not available in Inkscape and is not supported by the SVG standard. However, I think you can get the effect you want using Path > Inset, or Path > Dynamic Offset, or Path > Linked Offset, or Path > Path Effects + Offset. They provide different levels of control. I'm not very familiar with these tools and don't know where the best documentation is. In playing with them I used various combinations of Edit > Copy & Paste In Place, Object > Raise & Lower, Path > Object to Path, and Object > Fill and Stroke. - Robert ________________________________ From: Alexandre Guglielmi <alexandre.guglielmi(a)gmail.com<mailto:alexandre.guglielmi@gmail.com>> Sent: June 27, 2023 20:07 To: inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org<mailto:inkscape-user@lists.inkscape.org> <inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org<mailto:inkscape-user@lists.inkscape.org>> Subject: [Inkscape-user] Keeping the Size and Changing the Border Hi Folks! How to maintain the external size of an object by changing its border thickness? Every time I change the border thickness, the object size automatically changes as well. This is really annoying, because I have to resize again...but in that case the border thickness changes too. So I'm going to repeat this boring procedure until I get it. Thanks in advance Alexandre Guglielmi Florianópolis - Santa Catarina - Brazil [View Less]

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Re: Inkscape Users Digest, Vol 43, Issue 5: Keeping the Size and Changing the Border
by Dale Walton 29 Jun '23

29 Jun '23

The way I handle this is to make the shape, copy it and then use the copy to clip the shape. thus giving it half the line weight. These should be grouped together. when you scale this group, the line will scale but you can then set the weight to whatever you want by setting the line weight to 2 times what you want, as you now only see half. On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 3:16 PM <inkscape-user-request(a)lists.inkscape.org> wrote: > Send Inkscape Users mailing list submissions to > … [View More] inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > inkscape-user-request(a)lists.inkscape.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > inkscape-user-owner(a)lists.inkscape.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Inkscape Users digest..."Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Keeping the Size and Changing the Border (hc_hc_hc(a)126.com) > 2. Re: Keeping the Size and Changing the Border (Philip Rhoades) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "hc_hc_hc(a)126.com" <hc_hc_hc(a)126.com> > To: Alistair K <alistair.kwan(a)gmail.com>, "W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof." < > robert.funnell(a)mcgill.ca> > Cc: Alexandre Guglielmi <alexandre.guglielmi(a)gmail.com>, inkscape-user < > inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org> > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 08:06:34 +0800 > Subject: [Inkscape-user] Re: Keeping the Size and Changing the Border > I personally agree with you, It seems there isn't a proper way to setting > the size of rect without stroke change. > > Bright. > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Alistair K <alistair.kwan(a)gmail.com> > *Date:* 2023-06-29 04:45 > *To:* W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof. <robert.funnell(a)mcgill.ca> > *CC:* Alexandre Guglielmi <alexandre.guglielmi(a)gmail.com>; > inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org > *Subject:* [Inkscape-user] Re: Keeping the Size and Changing the Border > I agree. Inkscape’s convention follows that of pre-computer technical > drawing in which the centre of the line is its position. The weight (what > some call its thickness but, if you learnt technical drawing by hand, it’s > also a consequence of the weight that you impress upon the pencil – though > not so for ink; correctly positioning an ink pen is quite a skill) has no > bearing on that. > > If you wish to define a shape by its outside edge, it must have no line at > all. Instead, you think of it as a polygonal frame. Being still cognitively > anchored in my pencils, compasses, dividers, setsquares and so on, I > instinctively think first to draw both outlines from scratch. > > Robert’s solution is much better: it computes the inner boundary from the > outer boundary, saving a great deal of work, and eliminating many > opportunities for mistakes and inaccuracies. > > I conceptualise the process as follows: > > If you’re starting from scratch > > 1. Draw a closed path for the outer boundary polygon > 2. OFFSET PATH for the inner boundary polygon > 3. COMBINE the two paths into a single complex polygon with a hole > 4. Set NO STROKE, and set FILL to simulate the stroke ink > > > If you have the centre line already drawn with a satisfactory stroke > weight, then > > 1. Convert STROKE TO PATH > 2. Resize so that the outer boundary is where you want it > > > The only difficulty is if you leave this until late in the process of > constructing a complicated drawing. By then, the clutter can make it > difficult to visually recognise the two polygons that you need to unite > into one. I usually give my paths a semi-transparent fill, in a colour that > I’m not otherwise using, to make it easier to tell them apart from the > other drawing elements. > > One more complication: iIf you do use lines of various weights, those may > or may not scale with your drawing depending on your scaling settings. > There are many situations, such as when preparing engineering and > architectural drawings, in which the line weights communicate particular > meanings so must not scale at all. Scaling, in these situations, is usually > to make space for finer detail, or to fit the paper for physical printing. > (In the old days, scaling could be done photographically, including during > the blueprinting process.) I mention this in case the rationale helps to > make Inkscape’s behaviour more predictable for you. Surprises, especially > surprises that look completely arbitrary, can induce a lot of stress. > > If you download a variety of vector art specimens, you’ll find that many > of them use no line at all for these reasons. What looks like a line is > actually a filled polygon, and that makes the image scalable. > > Alistair > > On 29/06/2023, at 3:57 AM, W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof. < > robert.funnell(a)mcgill.ca> wrote: > > Alexandre - > > I think that what you are looking for is a stroke that is inside the > object boundary rather than centred on the object boundary. I believe that > the former is not available in Inkscape and is not supported by the SVG > standard. However, I think you can get the effect you want using Path > > Inset, or Path > Dynamic Offset, or Path > Linked Offset, or Path > Path > Effects + Offset. They provide different levels of control. > > I'm not very familiar with these tools and don't know where the best > documentation is. In playing with them I used various combinations of Edit > > Copy & Paste In Place, Object > Raise & Lower, Path > Object to Path, and > Object > Fill and Stroke. > > - Robert > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Alexandre Guglielmi <alexandre.guglielmi(a)gmail.com> > *Sent:* June 27, 2023 20:07 > *To:* inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org <inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org> > *Subject:* [Inkscape-user] Keeping the Size and Changing the Border > > > > > Hi Folks! > > How to maintain the external size of an object by changing its border > thickness? > Every time I change the border thickness, the object size automatically > changes as well. > This is really annoying, because I have to resize again...but in that case > the border thickness changes too. > So I'm going to repeat this boring procedure until I get it. > > Thanks in advance > > Alexandre Guglielmi > Florianópolis - Santa Catarina - Brazil > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape Users mailing list -- inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org > To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-user-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Philip Rhoades <phil(a)pricom.com.au> > To: hc_hc_hc(a)126.com > Cc: Alexandre Guglielmi <alexandre.guglielmi(a)gmail.com>, inkscape-user < > inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org>, "W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof." < > robert.funnell(a)mcgill.ca>, Alistair K <alistair.kwan(a)gmail.com> > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 18:16:12 +1000 > Subject: [Inkscape-user] Re: Keeping the Size and Changing the Border > People, > > I don't have anything of substance to contribute to this discussion > except to say I find it really interesting conceptually! I have only > ever been an occasional user of Inkscape over the years but have always > much appreciated the huge effort that all you very talented people have > put in to create this great program! > > Regards, > > Phil. > > > On 2023-06-29 10:06, hc_hc_hc(a)126.com wrote: > > I personally agree with you, It seems there isn't a proper way to > > setting the size of rect without stroke change. > > > > Bright. > > ------------------------- > > > >> From: Alistair K > >> Date: 2023-06-29 04:45 > >> To: W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof. > >> CC: Alexandre Guglielmi; inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org > >> Subject: [Inkscape-user] Re: Keeping the Size and Changing the > >> Border > >> > >> I agree. Inkscape’s convention follows that of pre-computer > >> technical drawing in which the centre of the line is its position. > >> The weight (what some call its thickness but, if you learnt > >> technical drawing by hand, it’s also a consequence of the weight > >> that you impress upon the pencil – though not so for ink; > >> correctly positioning an ink pen is quite a skill) has no bearing on > >> that. > >> > >> If you wish to define a shape by its outside edge, it must have no > >> line at all. Instead, you think of it as a polygonal frame. Being > >> still cognitively anchored in my pencils, compasses, dividers, > >> setsquares and so on, I instinctively think first to draw both > >> outlines from scratch. > >> > >> Robert’s solution is much better: it computes the inner boundary > >> from the outer boundary, saving a great deal of work, and > >> eliminating many opportunities for mistakes and inaccuracies. > >> > >> I conceptualise the process as follows: > >> > >> If you’re starting from scratch > >> > >> * Draw a closed path for the outer boundary polygon > >> * OFFSET PATH for the inner boundary polygon > >> * COMBINE the two paths into a single complex polygon with a hole > >> * Set NO STROKE, and set FILL to simulate the stroke ink > >> > >> If you have the centre line already drawn with a satisfactory stroke > >> weight, then > >> > >> * Convert STROKE TO PATH > >> * Resize so that the outer boundary is where you want it > >> > >> The only difficulty is if you leave this until late in the process > >> of constructing a complicated drawing. By then, the clutter can make > >> it difficult to visually recognise the two polygons that you need to > >> unite into one. I usually give my paths a semi-transparent fill, in > >> a colour that I’m not otherwise using, to make it easier to tell > >> them apart from the other drawing elements. > >> > >> One more complication: iIf you do use lines of various weights, > >> those may or may not scale with your drawing depending on your > >> scaling settings. There are many situations, such as when preparing > >> engineering and architectural drawings, in which the line weights > >> communicate particular meanings so must not scale at all. Scaling, > >> in these situations, is usually to make space for finer detail, or > >> to fit the paper for physical printing. (In the old days, scaling > >> could be done photographically, including during the blueprinting > >> process.) I mention this in case the rationale helps to make > >> Inkscape’s behaviour more predictable for you. Surprises, > >> especially surprises that look completely arbitrary, can induce a > >> lot of stress. > >> > >> If you download a variety of vector art specimens, you’ll find > >> that many of them use no line at all for these reasons. What looks > >> like a line is actually a filled polygon, and that makes the image > >> scalable. > >> > >> Alistair > >> > >>> On 29/06/2023, at 3:57 AM, W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof. > >>> <robert.funnell(a)mcgill.ca> wrote: > >>> > >>> Alexandre - > >>> > >>> I think that what you are looking for is a stroke that is inside > >>> the object boundary rather than centred on the object boundary. I > >>> believe that the former is not available in Inkscape and is not > >>> supported by the SVG standard. However, I think you can get the > >>> effect you want using Path > Inset, or Path > Dynamic Offset, or > >>> Path > Linked Offset, or Path > Path Effects + Offset. They > >>> provide different levels of control. > >>> > >>> I'm not very familiar with these tools and don't know where the > >>> best documentation is. In playing with them I used various > >>> combinations of Edit > Copy & Paste In Place, Object > Raise & > >>> Lower, Path > Object to Path, and Object > Fill and Stroke. > >>> > >>> - Robert > >>> > >>> ------------------------- > >>> > >>> From: Alexandre Guglielmi <alexandre.guglielmi(a)gmail.com> > >>> Sent: June 27, 2023 20:07 > >>> To: inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org > >>> <inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org> > >>> Subject: [Inkscape-user] Keeping the Size and Changing the Border > >>> > >>> Hi Folks! > >>> > >>> How to maintain the external size of an object by changing its > >>> border thickness? > >>> Every time I change the border thickness, the object size > >>> automatically changes as well. > >>> This is really annoying, because I have to resize again...but in > >>> that case the border thickness changes too. > >>> So I'm going to repeat this boring procedure until I get it. > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance > >>> > >>> Alexandre Guglielmi > >>> Florianópolis - Santa Catarina - > >>> Brazil_______________________________________________ > >>> Inkscape Users mailing list -- inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org > >>> To unsubscribe send an email to > >>> inkscape-user-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Inkscape Users mailing list -- inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-user-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org > > -- > Philip Rhoades > > PO Box 896 > Cowra NSW 2794 > Australia > E-mail: phil(a)pricom.com.au_______________________________________________ > Inkscape Users mailing list -- inkscape-user(a)lists.inkscape.org > To unsubscribe send an email to inkscape-user-leave(a)lists.inkscape.org > [View Less]

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if i click maximise, inkscape does not change window size
by jindam, vani 15 Jun '23

15 Jun '23

I am running opensuse tumbleweed using proot-distro. My de is xfce. When i click maximize button on inkscape it does not change window size. Screen size [ 720x1280 ]. $ inkscape --debug-info Inkscape 1.2.2 (b0a8486541, 2022-12-01) GLib version: 2.76.3 GTK version: 3.24.38 glibmm version: 2.66.6 gtkmm version: 3.24.7 libxml2 version: 2.10.4 libxslt version: 1.1.38 Cairo version: 1.17.8 Pango version: 1.50.14 HarfBuzz version: 7.… [View More]

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inkscape selector tool not work porperly
by hc_hc_hc＠126.com 01 Jun '23

01 Jun '23

Hi， everyone, It's just begin from today. that my inkscape 1.2.2 and inkscape 1.3 beta0 not worked porperly. When I using "selector tool" drag a selecting box, some item out the box will be selected, only if it's tectangle border partly cover by my selection box. I mean if I draw a selecting box as blue rectangle showing , because of the line's border is partly covered by the box ,the line will eventually be selected. I don't find any setting related to that. So anybody … [View More]

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