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Clipping?
by Jim Ford 09 Nov '07

09 Nov '07

I'm finding trouble getting to grips with clipping! Say I have two lines crossing near their ends and I want to cut the 'loose' ends off. If I then draw around a piece of line I want trimming, select the line to be trimmed and the clipping path object, and then do Object -> Clip, everything _other_ than the bit I want trimmed disappears! Is this the way it should work? I have the feeling that I'm missing the point regarding clipping (and the docs aren't very clear)! Jim Ford

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about constraining movement, rotation and scaling
by Albert Cardona 08 Nov '07

08 Nov '07

Hi Inkscapers, I read in the manual that one can make 50% and 200% scaled objects, as well as scale up and down by 2 pixels. But: can one constrain the finess of the scaling the same way one can in Blender? That is: - hold control to scale up/down modifying only the first decimal, all other decimals to zero - hold control and shift to do the same for the second decimal. Such ease in precision constraining would be very useful for CAD-like accurate graphics. Albert -- Albert Cardona http://www.mcdb.ucla.edu/Research/Hartenstein/acardona

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Online vectorizing application
by jiho 08 Nov '07

08 Nov '07

Hello everyone, I just found out about this app developed at Stanford: http://vectormagic.stanford.edu/ which offers high quality bitmap vectorization/tracing through and online interface. There is a comparison of its output with Adobe and Corel's ones. The good part is that Inkscape's trace (well Potrace one actually) is already _way_ better than those two ;) However, VectorMagic takes it even a step higher. Their output is really nice. For comparison purposes I created a file with their test images, Inkscape's trace and VectorMagic trace: http://jo.irisson.free.fr/dropbox/inkscape/VectorMagicTests.svgz Bear in mind that their second image is hand tweaked in the middle of the tracing process and that mine are probably not the best Inkscape/ Potrace can do. I tried to tweak Potrace's parameters the best I could but I am no expert. Be that as it may, their output is still superior, particularly on the first image. Since it is developed in a university lab I wonder how they would license it. Maybe getting them a bit exited about Inkscape would incline them toward putting their code under a license liberal enough for Inkscape to use it. I did not contact them but I think it would be a good thing if someone more officially involved in Inkscape contacted them and discussed a possible collaboration, or at least pointed them to the traces Inkscape/Potrace can produce. I would love to see a fifth column on their comparison page with Inkscape kicking Adobe and Corel's a.... ;) Anyway, even currently their tracing service can be very useful to Inkscape users (they export SVG!). JiHO --- http://jo.irisson.free.fr/

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Latest autopackages not working
by Matt Jordan 08 Nov '07

08 Nov '07

Hello, At the beginning of September, I decided to start trying out the autopackage bleeding edge Inkscape. Oddly, the autopackage supply immediately went dry for almost two months, but lately it's been flowing again. Only problem is that the last two packages have failed for me with this error: inkscape: error while loading shared libraries: libMagick++.so.9: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I'm on Ubuntu Gutsy (7.10). I've rolled back to the Oct 27 autopackage to get a working copy. Matt

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KDE 4 and Inkscape
by momo 07 Nov '07

07 Nov '07

It looks like KDE 4 interface is beeing designed in Inkscape (at least some of it) Screenshot: http://www.tuxjournal.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/cbj12.png taken from http://www.tuxjournal.net/?p=791 Nice! Molumen

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How to 'bind' a bitmap pattern into the svg file
by Richard Querin 07 Nov '07

07 Nov '07

Hi, I've imported a bitmap file into Inkscape, converted it into a pattern and deleted the original bitmap object. I then created a polygon and used the pattern as fill. No problem. But when I emailed the svg to work today the bitmapped fills were lost as they were only linked to the file (and not embedded in it). Is there a way to bind in those bitmap patterns permanently so they travel along with the svg file?

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Non-programming tasks
by Joshua A. Andler 06 Nov '07

06 Nov '07

Hey all, It seems like a good time to discuss non-programming related items given the icon conversation. I figure we can get some thoughts out on the list and work from there. Basically, let's try and free the people who program from the tasks that the rest of us can do. ;) It's common for people to say "well if I could program I'd...", well, if you can't, but want more programming done on inkscape... here's your chance! The website: Realistically, we should probably have 2 or 3 volunteers that will agree to submit at least 1 news item per month. Bryce shouldn't be the only one. ;) It seems like it should be a fairly minimal commitment. I'm willing to fill one of those spots myself. I'll throw together something before the end of the week that talks about the persistent undo history that the MIT students are working on, and link to their page. Bryce, are you even still interested? On top of that, do you have the time? Either way, it is not difficult to find a couple news worthy items per month. Any other takers? Tutorials: Ryan Lerch and myself started to do some tutorial work for this development cycle a while back. I haven't contributed to this for a couple months as it seemed like there were still a number of changes going on at that point (plus a very busy schedule on my end). Luckily, it appears things are slowing down now on both fronts, so it seems like an opportune time to pick this back up. It's good for us to have more tutorials that focus on using features of inkscape (such as the in-progress clipping/masking/patterns tutorial), rather than tutorials for doing a particular task (easter egg). Do we have any volunteers to help us with tutorial writing/updating? Current discussion and drafts can be found at: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/TutorialUpdates-0.46 Also, as for tutorial localization and to attempt simplifying our files and the process for translators, I know there was discussion in the past about po2xml. Can anyone enlighten me on if this has change has been done? I've not updated my checkout of the tutorials in quite a while. If not, is this a huge task? Will there be any changes in formatting or the process for tutorial writers? Screenshots: Okay, do we think that artsy screenshots are in order yet? I have one that utilizes a number of filters, but a key piece of filter rendering is not correct (it's using turbulence). I also have an in-progress one that I'm using some filters on, but more importantly going to town with live path effects. Curve stitching is turning out to be my favorite feature in this dev cycle. :) The About screen: I just want to follow up on this. I know we're most likely not ready to go for it yet (as there are a number of filter bugs remaining). But I am just wondering if we think we're getting closer. Also, did Jon Phillips want to host this via ocal or create? Or are we going deviantART again? Just want to coordinate. Bugs & Feature Requests: Another area that generally needs attention is our bug and rfe trackers. It is always a big help if people can go through bug reports & feature requests and try to close duplicates, reproduce bugs, ask for more information where necessary, etc. Unfortunately, people submit items without searching the trackers first, so duplicates are quite common. Also, it's common that people will file a report and the issue is resolved in a development cycle, but they never come back to say that the issue has been fixed for them. Another common issue is anonymous bug reports. These get reported and never followed up on by the original poster as there is no way for us to contact them (these are fairly common to get fixed, but we don't get confirmation from those people). Anyone interested in helping with these that doesn't have access, please let us know. Thank you all for your time. -Josh P.S. Unrelated, is the 3d box tool not going to be activated for the next release?

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Live path effects not working?
by Denís Fernández Cabrera 05 Nov '07

05 Nov '07

Hello, people. I have just installed the lastest snapshot of Inkscape from the CVS, and it looks very promising (although I am not quite satisfied with the docked windows). I am trying to follow the steps listed in: http://inkscape.org/screenshots/gallery/inkscape-0.46-lpe-pathalongpath.png I get to the point where the fish is attached to the skeleton path, but despite the fact I can "edit on canvas" it, whenever I cease editing the fish, it disappears, only the skeleton remaining visible. The fish is still there, though, because I can edit it again. I will attach a sample SVG. -- Denís Fernández Cabrera mailto://denis@...2126... http://gatonegro.ceibes.org

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Error trying to compile current Inkscape snapshot.
by Denís Fernández Cabrera 05 Nov '07

05 Nov '07

Hello people, When I try to compile the current Inkscape snapshot, as per: http://inkscape.modevia.com/svn-snap/?M=D ...I get the following error: <begin code> (...) Making all in po make[2]: Entrando no directorio `/home/denis/src/inkscape-16424/po' file=`echo am | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ && rm -f $file && no -o $file am.po /bin/sh: line 1: no: command not found make[2]: *** [am.gmo] Erro 127 make[2]: Saíndo do directorio `/home/denis/src/inkscape-16424/po' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erro 1 make[1]: Saíndo do directorio `/home/denis/src/inkscape-16424' make: *** [all] Erro 2 denis@...2285...:~/src/inkscape-16424$ <end code> >From what I have seen through the files that the compilation has generated sofar, Inkscape did compile successfully, and it is even runnable locally (but, of course, not installable, because it throws out this very same error). The error seems to be something related to language files (that is what those .po files are, correct?), but I am unsure on how to fix it or avoid it. Could anyone help? Thanks in advance, Denís. -- Denís Fernández Cabrera mailto://denis@...2126... http://gatonegro.ceibes.org

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setting background to white
by Paul Tremblay 04 Nov '07

04 Nov '07

I have tried setting the background color to white in the document preferences, but when I export an SVG document to PNG (or convert it to other formats), it still prints out as one black image. I have to import the image into another program like Gimp to get rid of the background so I can print the document. How do I make a transparent background in Inkscape? Paul

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[ted@...10...: [Fwd: [Clipart] Fwd: Announcement: Wikimedia Foundation Greenspun illustration project]]
by Bryce Harrington 04 Nov '07

04 Nov '07

----- Forwarded message from Ted Gould <ted@...10...> ----- Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:35:26 -0800 From: Ted Gould <ted@...10...> To: Bryce Harrington <bryce@...983...> Subject: [Fwd: [Clipart] Fwd: Announcement: Wikimedia Foundation Greenspun illustration project] -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher@...155...> To: clipart@...400... Subject: [Clipart] Fwd: Announcement: Wikimedia Foundation Greenspun illustration project Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 00:32:15 +1100 Hi OpenClipArters, Forwarding along an announcement from the Wikimedia Foundation that it is facilitating a project to pay for the creation of illustrations. I (Brianna Laugher) am coordinating the project on the community side. I am thinking and hoping there may be a few cliparters who are interested in putting their SVG skills to work. The central wiki page for the project will be http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Philip_Greenspun_illustration_project . The project is still in the gathering-requests stage and I will send out an announcement when we expect to open requests up for people to fulfil. Please let me know if anything about it is not clear. thanks, Brianna ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Cary Bass <cbass@...2388...> Date: 3 Nov 2007 05:32 Subject: [Foundation-l] [ANNOUNCEMENT] Greenspan illustration project To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@...2389...>, Wikimedia Commons Discussion List <commons-l@...2389...> The Greenspan Illustration Project What is it? The Wikimedia Foundation has received a donation from Philip Greenspun for the purpose of creating and improving illustrations on Wikimedia. The Board has decided to accept his donation of $US20,000 for this special purpose. This is the first time the Foundation has been directly involved in funded content creation, although the German chapter's experience in winning a government grant to write articles on sustainable development has helped pave the way. The Foundation wants a "hands-off" minimal administration role with the bulk of the work of organizing the project and creating the content to be completed by members of our community. Since this is the first time we've done this, we're not sure how it will go. This is a bit experimental and we ask for your patience and enthusiasm to help make it a success. Brianna Laugher (<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise>) will be coordinating the project, with my help as the Foundation's Volunteer Coordinator. How will it run? Since Philip's kind donation is a lot of money and we're planning to pay around US$40 per illustration (with some lower and higher amounts, see details to follow), we want to progress the project in stages. Starting out with a small number of 50 requested illustrations, we'll look at our results and modify and improve it for successive stages. The project will flow along as follows: * Create list of requested illustrations. * Open illustration requests on issue tracking software * Users will self-assign requests, signaling his or her intent to create that illustration. * On creation and approval, the user is paid the amount as set in the original request. Things to note: * The list of requests will be approved by Brianna, in order that balance exists among "things any decent reference work needs"; "things the Wikimedia community requests"; and "things we nearly have, or have poor versions of". * Approval: a review group will be formed in order to provide assessment of submitted images. The main checks will be 1) editor's original work and acceptable license, 2) correct rendering on MediaWiki and 3) how well the image depicts the requested item. No image will be accepted that do not pass all three of these checks. * Other checks will be recommended (e.g. language-neutral version). * The payment system is not yet finalized. How you can help If you are interested in suggesting illustrations to be created, you don't have long to wait: soon there will be some pages on Meta where you can get involved. We will write to foundation-l when the pages are ready for your input. If you are interested in being part of the review group, please email Brianna as follows: brianna.laugher AT gmail DOT com The benefits This project can have two good outcomes. One, we get illustrations we wouldn't otherwise have, or wouldn't otherwise have had so quickly. Another benefit is that we can use this project as a way to encourage and launch new people into the "illustrator community". Creating high-quality SVGs is not a skill a lot of people have immediately, but may be developed fairly quickly. While many people might be vaguely interested in it but no more, a monetary incentive might be enough to push them to act, and learn, and create. Some of the image requests will be for smaller amounts (US$15) for relatively simpler illustrations???these will be specifically targeted to newcomers to encourage them to get involved. At the end of this project we might have $20,000 worth of illustrations, but the value of the content creating community will potentially be a lot higher. We expect a side benefit to this project will be the creation/finding and maintenance of good documentation for specific tasks using tools like Inkscape. More details See the project specifications at: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/5/51/WMF_Greenspun_Illustr… -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator Your continued donations keep Wikipedia running! Support the Wikimedia Foundation today: http://donate.wikimedia.org Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. Phone: 727.231.0101 Fax: 727.258.0207 E-Mail: cbass@...2388... _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@...2389... Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ----- End forwarded message -----

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error loading inkscape
by romunov 02 Nov '07

02 Nov '07

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dependency problem
by romunov 01 Nov '07

01 Nov '07

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snapping issue
by Frank Knappe 01 Nov '07

01 Nov '07

Hello, I'm trying to switch over from Corel Draw to Inkscape. Based on the first experiences I have some questions. 1) I've set up the document properties to have a 1mm grid and also all units are set to mm. When I now create a circle or a rectangle the dimensions are not multiples of 1mm. How can I achieve this? Manual changing the dimensions works of course, but isn't very convenient. The snap options are at the default levels. I also changed all to "always snap" but that didn't made a difference for me. 2) Is there an upper limit how many elements Inkscape can "import" from the clipboard. From a design mask I copied >20000 elements into the clipboard, but when I tried paste Inkscape told me that the clipboard is empty. Copy and paste of the same data worked in Corel Draw (and even into Word). Inkscape version: 0.45.1 OS: Win XP SP2 Thanks in advance, Frank

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Text on a path... ...plus?
by Matt Jordan 01 Nov '07

01 Nov '07

Hello, I'm able to do basic text on a path stuff, but I was wondering if it's possible yet in Inkscape to do something like the treatment of the word "Amazing" in this old magazine cover: http://www.artfullyredone.com/proddetail.asp?prod=TC-CC-F-4 In case the link doesn't work, I'd like to make the bottom of my text arch upwards while the top remains more or less flat. Other than doing it manually, can this be done yet with the text to path tool or any other tools? Thanks, Matt Jordan

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Distressed look
by Mick Nelson 01 Nov '07

01 Nov '07

Is there a tutorial on how to make distressed graphics (for shirt designs)?

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how to scale path nodes, not the object?
by Albert Cardona 31 Oct '07

31 Oct '07

Hi all, I'm used to Blender, enter edit mode and then have all the tools that apply to the entire object be available to any collection of selected vertices. So question: how can I do the same in Inkscape? What I want to do: 1 - F1 select path 2 - F2 select some nodes of the path 3 - scale/rotate those nodes relative to a specific center, or to the median point of the selected nodes. At the moment, only grouped translation is possible as far as I can see. Perhaps a python script would do? Is there a guide on how to script Inkscape with python? Thanks in advance for any tips. Albert -- Albert Cardona http://www.mcdb.ucla.edu/Research/Hartenstein/acardona

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Re: [Inkscape-user] [Inkscape-devel] Non-programming tasks
by bulia byak 30 Oct '07

30 Oct '07

On 10/30/07, Joshua Facemyer / Impressus Art <faceman@...2382...> wrote: > Bulia, is there any reason you'd not want me to take your new features > summaries and write these up as news articles? I think they'd be the > perfect sort of thing for eager users to read - I just don't want to > step on your toes ;) No stepping - feel free - the more people know about the new features the better :) -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

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Re: [Inkscape-user] [Inkscape-devel] Non-programming tasks
by Ryan Lerch 30 Oct '07

30 Oct '07

>> I'd say the new color modification with click-dragging is news worthy, >> the refinements to the gradient tool are news worthy, and honestly there >> is a ton of stuff that hasn't been touched on via the website. If you've >> followed development, I'm sure you have your own list going. >> >> > That was what I had planned on doing first - and you're right, I do have > a list of stuff from the dev list :) > > > if you want to, feel free to use some of those new feature screencasts that i did a little while back, they are CC licensed and on blip.tv - http://ryanlerch.blip.tv/posts?view=archive hopefully i will get a chance to do some more and update some of the ones that have had new features added (i.e the tweak tool) cheers, ryanlerch

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Re: [Inkscape-user] [Inkscape-devel] Non-programming tasks
by Joshua A. Andler 30 Oct '07

30 Oct '07

Joshua Facemyer / Impressus Art wrote: > Joshua A. Andler wrote: >> The website: >> Realistically, we should probably have 2 or 3 volunteers that will agree >> to submit at least 1 news item per month. Bryce shouldn't be the only >> one. ;) It seems like it should be a fairly minimal commitment. >> > I've been planning on helping with this, I guess now's a good time to > start :) Great to hear! > I've just reviewed website editing on the wiki - anything else I should > know? Not really. Perhaps for now, submitting news blurbs to Bryce (as he mentioned) is a good way to get rolling with it. > Also, are there any standards for what is considered Inkscape news? Well, it involving Inkscape is a good start. ;) Honestly, if you see any inkscape related articles anywhere, anything interesting going on in inkscape development, etc. > Finally, if anyone is interested in passing an idea along to me, I'll be > happy to write it up and post it. I have a few. Quickly though, to address your question to Bulia. Writing a summary about any of the new features he implemented is good, but copying from the release notes isn't the way to achieve it... that's partly due to you being able to directly link to that part of the release notes. :) I'd say the new color modification with click-dragging is news worthy, the refinements to the gradient tool are news worthy, and honestly there is a ton of stuff that hasn't been touched on via the website. If you've followed development, I'm sure you have your own list going. As I mentioned earlier, I plan on doing up a summary of the persistent undo work going on. Additionally, today we got official word that we will have a booth at SCaLE again this year, so I will write up an announcement on that as well. -Josh

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NEW: color gestures
by bulia byak 30 Oct '07

30 Oct '07

Color gestures A new method for quick and precise adjustment of colors is added in this version: color gestures. It works on the selected objects by grabbing the fill or stroke color swatch in the selected style indicator (on the left of the statusbar) and dragging it in various directions as described below. Note that this only works when the swatch displays a flat color; it does not work for a swatch showing "None", "N/A", or displaying a gradient (although you can select one or more gradient stops in Gradient tool and color-adjust them by color gestures just as you would do for objects). Color gestures can work on fill or stroke, depending on which swatch in the selected color indicator you drag. Color gestures work in HSL color space. Dragging without any keyboard modifiers adjusts the hue channel, dragging with Shift adjusts saturation, and dragging with Ctrl adjusts lightness. The adjustment is done by rotating the color swatch away from the original direction which is assumed to be NE at 45 degrees (i.e. from the swatch into the document window). That is, once you click and drag the color swatch, imagine a line going from the point where you clicked in the NE direction, across the entire Inkscape window. By dragging below or to the right of that line, you decrease the corresponding color channel, to the minimum at the lower edge of the window; by dragging it above or to the left, you increase it, to the maximum at the left edge of the window. If you hover your mouse exactly over the 45 degrees line, the change will be zero. Note that you can easily vary the precision of your adjustment. If you drag close enough to the swatch, each small movement results in a big change of the color. If you need a finer adjustment, just drag farther away from the swatch, towards the center of the Inkscape window or even to its upper right corner, where minute movements will produce very small changes in the color. In fact, this method gives you more color precision than even the color wheel in the Fill and Stroke dialog, unless you expand that dialog to fill the entire screen which is rarely practical. Watch the statusbar which will indicate, as you drag, the channel you are adjusting, the original value of that channel, and the new value. You can switch channels while you drag. That is, you don't need to restart dragging from the swatch if you want to adjust all three channels - you can do it in one drag, pressing and releasing Ctrl and Shift as necessary. Note that when you change the keyboard modifiers during drag, the position of the zero-change line is temporarily set to the current position of the mouse; this is done so that there are no sudden changes in color if you are switching modifiers away from the original 45-degree line. For example, you can select a green rectangle and first turn it into greenish-blue by dragging away from the Fill swatch and slightly above the 45 degrees line; then, without releasing the mouse, press Ctrl and drag a bit to the right to darken the color; then press Shift, release Ctrl, and adjust saturation. You can press or release Ctrl and Shift as many times as necessary during a single drag; when you are finally satisfied with your color, release the mouse to commit the change. Apart from precise adjustments, you can use color gestures to quickly perform common color transformations: * Ctrl+drag the swatch to the right and down to color all selected objects black. * Ctrl+drag the swatch upwards and to the left to color all selected objects white. * Shift+drag the swatch to the right and down to desaturate the color of selected objects. * Shift+drag the swatch upwards and to the left to maximize saturation of the color of selected objects. Note that when several objects or gradient stops with different colors are selected, the selected style indicator shows their averaged color. If you adjust that color by gesturing, the changed color will be assigned back to all selected objects/stops, in effect eliminating any difference between them. If you want to adjust many different-colored objects preserving their relative differences, use the color modes of the Tweak tool or color adjustment extension effects. This new technique requires some getting used to, but once you get the idea it is quite convenient, fast, and precise. -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org

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feature request: embedded SVG fonts
by Paul Tremblay 30 Oct '07

30 Oct '07

Inkscape is a great tool that has helped me create fonts. Thanks! One feature it does lack is the ability to read files with embedded fonts. The SVG standard states that a SVG document can have fonts embedded in it. An SVG font, in XML, goes at the beginning of the document in the <defs> element. You could created the craziest font, embed it in SVG, and any SVG viewer should be able to read that font, regardless if the font exists independent of the document. As many of you have probably experienced, getting a font to appear in a document can prove a frustrating experience. Your document looks perfect on your computer, but when you send it as an email you see boxes where letters should be. Getting a font to work in TeX is virtually impossible. So, the embedding of SVG fonts strikes me as an excellent feature. Another advantage to SVG fonts besides their ability to reside in the document is their simplicity. I can open any SVG font and edit it with a text editor. I can set the kerning values manually. Overall, SVG fonts could greatly solve the font headache. The only drawback of SVG fonts is their lack of hinting. Good fonts need hinting to appear nice in small print (or so I am told). However, I have read that the next specification of SVG fonts will include hinting. Unfortunately, most viewers do not follow the standard and read embedded SVG fonts. I have read that Adobe's plugin does, but I have never been able to get this plugin to work. Inkscape also does not have this ability. It would be nice for Inscape to include this feature, so that users could see what a font looks like without having to convert it to another format (TTF) and install it on their systems. The feature would make Inscape more consistent with SVG standards. And it would perhaps push other viewers to also see embedded fonts. Paul

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Problems with save / open
by Johan Vromans 29 Oct '07

29 Oct '07

Hi, I often use compressed SVG (SVGZ) as storage format. When I open drawing.svgz and do a Save As..., it shows SVG as the default format to save in. If I press Save, I get a file drawing.sgvz.svg. If I subsequently save as EPS, I get a file drawing.svgz.svg.eps, and so on. Should this be considered a minor bug? -- Johan

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MacBook + Parallel + Linux = Wacom + Sensitivity?
by Alberto Simões 27 Oct '07

27 Oct '07

Hi I am still with a PowerBook G4, but I might buy a new macbook soon. My question is: we know that Apple XInput does not support sensitivity for wacom devices. My question is, anybody tried to run inkscape under parallel (linux or windows), and knows if running it that way, sensitivity works? Cheers Alberto -- Alberto Simões

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What's the problem with DXF files?
by Jim Ford 27 Oct '07

27 Oct '07

I'll start by saying that I don't know much about vector graphics and the different file formats! As DXF, SVG and many other vector graphic files are ASCII text files, isn't it just a matter of parsing them with (say) Perl scripts to convert one format to another? I've seen C++ and Python mentioned in connection with creating DXF files, but isn't Perl better suited to the manipulation of text files? Obviously there are major problems that I'm not aware of! I'd be interested if anyone can briefly sketch them out for me. Jim Ford

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