Re: [Inkscape-user] new illustrator screenshots
by Adam Pearson
Bryce said:
<snip>
Trying to provide an alternative to Illustrator is just asking for
frustration, whereas if we focus on having fun and doing cool stuff
there's no telling how far we'll get.
<snip>
Very much agree!
Adam
18 years, 7 months
Fw: Re: [Inkscape-user] new illustrator screenshots
by Adam Pearson
FWIW, I am doing a small project - as a means of learning both Inkscape and
Illustrator - on both in parallel and I am already listing comments on what
I am doing in each program - that is, I have got my own comparison chart
building up.
I am not a great believer in these comparisons as they are very personal,
depending on each person's background experience, whether they are a
keyboard" or "mouse" person, how and in what order they like to do things
and so on. As illustration, I worked for 40 + years in the construction
industry and it was never possible to say that that project was better than
the other one, there are so many different parameters in the contexts. I
suspect there will be no "better" program, just "different".
Regards
Adam
-------Original Message-------
From: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net
Date: 06/08/04 10:59:16
To: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] new illustrator screenshots
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Trent Buck wrote:
<snip>
> FWIW, I think inkscape's UI is already better than AI's.
I'm going to be devils advocate here, "FWIW" if you dont back it up with
examples it is not worth anything. It is important to manage
expectations, it is all to easy to get carried away with enthusiasm but it
can backfire badly if (when) users are dissappointed by an interface or
are not as impressed by "massive" improvements as we are (particularly
improvements to the underlying technology that users wont necessarily
appreciate). I think it is important that we make Inkscape look good by
keeping the standard of discussion to a high level.
But I can see some of Inkscapes stengths. The wealth of keybindings is a
big plus, although I'm not sure about the logic of some of them and there
is a risk that having a keybing for almost everything will be confusing
and potentially cause problems if users misclick but that is a whole other
story but this is a big deal and Bulia has done great work.
That the User Inteface is in GTK and fits in with my Gnome Desktop is a
also bonus. I'll try and list some more of Inkscapes strengths
later.
Even if we talk only about the User Inteface of Adobe Illustator it still
has many tools (to be topical lets say Layers for example) that Inkscape
doesnt have (yet ;). You can achieve similar end results without them but
Adobe has provide a tool, a better inteface to manage large numbers of
objects.
You said Inkscape is better so I make it a challenge to you to list more
ways, and maybe we can start a comparision chart in the Wiki which would
be useful for promoting Inkscape.
My point is that I would urge caution when claiming Inkscape is better
than anything because there is nothing stopping people from using both.
Inkscape can complement and become part of a graphic designers toolset,
think of the users, comparisons dont really benifit them.
Hopefully I've adequately expressed what I'm trying to say, so ping me
back and lets see if we can count the ways we love Inkscape.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/
18 years, 7 months
Re: [Inkscape-user] new illustrator screenshots
by bulia byak
>Even if we talk only about the User Inteface of Adobe Illustator it still
>has many tools (to be topical lets say Layers for example) that Inkscape
>doesnt have (yet ;).
It's not a UI issue, it's just missing functionality. This demonstrates that
it's difficult to tell apart these two aspects, and for this reason, even
though I do consider that the basics are more convenient to work with in
Inkscape than in AI, I don't claim that it's more convenient overall -
because this will always incite someone to talk about our missing
functionality. So let's stay focused on specific issues. After we accumulate
enough such small advantages in many areas, the overall balance will be more
often judged in our favor (looks like this starts happening already, but in
my opinion it's a bit premature).
>My point is that I would urge caution when claiming Inkscape is better
>than anything because there is nothing stopping people from using both.
>Inkscape can complement and become part of a graphic designers toolset,
>think of the users, comparisons dont really benifit them.
"Use together" is good in theory, but do you know many people who use e.g.
both Emacs and vi on equal basis?
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18 years, 7 months
Help needed setting up good Nightly Snapshot system
by chris
Hi,
Though I've only been playing with inkscape for a couple-three weeks (since
the icon-designers' interview), and my only scripting expertise (outside of
some rather crude personal shell scripts) is php, I'd love to help out if I
can, because I well know this fabulous tool is going to become very important
as svg is necessarily implemented in the WC3. I've been looking at
autopackage, and feel I could take up that if the need arises. Also, readme's
and wiki's are right up my alley. Also:
* Code is checked into a subdir of inkscape_project/
I think I could write that one ;-)
Anyway, after /. you'll probably be getting a barrage on your request from the
more able, but just in case....
axlotl
18 years, 7 months
Help needed setting up good Nightly Snapshot system
by Bryce Harrington
Hi all,
As Bob mentioned, the visit from Slashdot cratered our nightly Win32
snapshot server, and we need some help coming up with a better
solution. No Inkscape experience needed, just need to be familiar with
SourceForge, scripting, and compiling apps.
The snapshots have proven useful in letting users test out and report on
recently implemented features without having to compile it themselves.
So this is a pretty highly valued service for the community.
What we need going forward is a script or set of scripts that:
* Checks out from CVS once a day and compiles for Win/Lin/Mac
both debug and optimized. (e.g. via SF compile farm?)
* If compilation is successful, post the packages to mirrors
(e.g. SourceForge).
* Allows users a place on the web to go to to get the latest version
* Creates and provides autopackage versions (the AP folks are
doing this for us currently, so this may not be necessary but is
worth considering if it's not hard to do.)
* Doesn't place the administrative responsibility on a single
specific person
* Code is checked into a subdir of inkscape_project/
* Has a README and/or wiki page explaining install & usage
If you'd like to work on this or a piece of it, let me know and we can
work out the details.
Bryce
18 years, 7 months
pressure sensitivity
by Jonathan Chetwynd
Gimp, painter, illustrator and other graphics programs have had support
for pressure sensitive tablets such as wacom for some time.
However inkscape-sodipodi appear not to have. Is there a reason?
thanks
Jonathan Chetwynd
http://www.peepo.co.uk "It's easy to use"
irc://freenode/accessibility
18 years, 7 months
[Fwd: svgx.org-Open Source Graphics for the Masses]
by JonPhillips
-----Forwarded Message-----
> From: michael bolger <michael@...138...>
> To: JonPhillips <jon@...41...>
> Subject: svgx.org-Open Source Graphics for the Masses
> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:47:41 -0700
>
> Hi Jon, new post at http://www.svgx.org
>
> Scalable Vector Graphics
> and the Open Source Community
> -from osnews.com, Bryce Harrington
> see; Inkscape SVG Editor and Inkscape Wiki
> also; Open Clip Art Library item section; project and tools
> "Open Source community is now adopting the SVG format"
>
>
> -also will add additional "permanent" main page link in next several days.
>
> Cheers
> Michael
>
--
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Visual Arts Department
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18 years, 7 months
