June 2004 - Inkscape Users - Inkscape Mailman

Re: [Inkscape-user] new illustrator screenshots
by Adam Pearson 08 Jun '04

08 Jun '04

Bryce said: <snip> Trying to provide an alternative to Illustrator is just asking for frustration, whereas if we focus on having fun and doing cool stuff there's no telling how far we'll get. <snip> Very much agree! Adam

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new illustrator screenshots
by Jon Phillips 08 Jun '04

08 Jun '04

Hello all, I finally got some these illustrator screenshots off my parents laptop I took in December. I posted to the wiki and they are available here: http://cabbage.ucsd.edu/~phillipsjd/media/adobeIllustrator10-win32/ I hope these help in comparing our user interface and in planning out new additions. Jon -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...87... http://www.rejon.org

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Fw: Re: [Inkscape-user] new illustrator screenshots
by Adam Pearson 08 Jun '04

08 Jun '04

FWIW, I am doing a small project - as a means of learning both Inkscape and Illustrator - on both in parallel and I am already listing comments on what I am doing in each program - that is, I have got my own comparison chart building up. I am not a great believer in these comparisons as they are very personal, depending on each person's background experience, whether they are a keyboard" or "mouse" person, how and in what order they like to do things and so on. As illustration, I worked for 40 + years in the construction industry and it was never possible to say that that project was better than the other one, there are so many different parameters in the contexts. I suspect there will be no "better" program, just "different". Regards Adam -------Original Message------- From: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net Date: 06/08/04 10:59:16 To: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] new illustrator screenshots On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Trent Buck wrote: <snip> > FWIW, I think inkscape's UI is already better than AI's. I'm going to be devils advocate here, "FWIW" if you dont back it up with examples it is not worth anything. It is important to manage expectations, it is all to easy to get carried away with enthusiasm but it can backfire badly if (when) users are dissappointed by an interface or are not as impressed by "massive" improvements as we are (particularly improvements to the underlying technology that users wont necessarily appreciate). I think it is important that we make Inkscape look good by keeping the standard of discussion to a high level. But I can see some of Inkscapes stengths. The wealth of keybindings is a big plus, although I'm not sure about the logic of some of them and there is a risk that having a keybing for almost everything will be confusing and potentially cause problems if users misclick but that is a whole other story but this is a big deal and Bulia has done great work. That the User Inteface is in GTK and fits in with my Gnome Desktop is a also bonus. I'll try and list some more of Inkscapes strengths later. Even if we talk only about the User Inteface of Adobe Illustator it still has many tools (to be topical lets say Layers for example) that Inkscape doesnt have (yet ;). You can achieve similar end results without them but Adobe has provide a tool, a better inteface to manage large numbers of objects. You said Inkscape is better so I make it a challenge to you to list more ways, and maybe we can start a comparision chart in the Wiki which would be useful for promoting Inkscape. My point is that I would urge caution when claiming Inkscape is better than anything because there is nothing stopping people from using both. Inkscape can complement and become part of a graphic designers toolset, think of the users, comparisons dont really benifit them. Hopefully I've adequately expressed what I'm trying to say, so ping me back and lets see if we can count the ways we love Inkscape. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/

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Re: [Inkscape-user] new illustrator screenshots
by bulia byak 08 Jun '04

08 Jun '04

>Even if we talk only about the User Inteface of Adobe Illustator it still >has many tools (to be topical lets say Layers for example) that Inkscape >doesnt have (yet ;). It's not a UI issue, it's just missing functionality. This demonstrates that it's difficult to tell apart these two aspects, and for this reason, even though I do consider that the basics are more convenient to work with in Inkscape than in AI, I don't claim that it's more convenient overall - because this will always incite someone to talk about our missing functionality. So let's stay focused on specific issues. After we accumulate enough such small advantages in many areas, the overall balance will be more often judged in our favor (looks like this starts happening already, but in my opinion it's a bit premature). >My point is that I would urge caution when claiming Inkscape is better >than anything because there is nothing stopping people from using both. >Inkscape can complement and become part of a graphic designers toolset, >think of the users, comparisons dont really benifit them. "Use together" is good in theory, but do you know many people who use e.g. both Emacs and vi on equal basis? _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht…

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Help needed setting up good Nightly Snapshot system
by chris 04 Jun '04

04 Jun '04

Hi, Though I've only been playing with inkscape for a couple-three weeks (since the icon-designers' interview), and my only scripting expertise (outside of some rather crude personal shell scripts) is php, I'd love to help out if I can, because I well know this fabulous tool is going to become very important as svg is necessarily implemented in the WC3. I've been looking at autopackage, and feel I could take up that if the need arises. Also, readme's and wiki's are right up my alley. Also: * Code is checked into a subdir of inkscape_project/ I think I could write that one ;-) Anyway, after /. you'll probably be getting a barrage on your request from the more able, but just in case.... axlotl

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Patron Saints of Graphic Design
by Bryce Harrington 03 Jun '04

03 Jun '04

http://lynnster.com/saints.html

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Help needed setting up good Nightly Snapshot system
by Bryce Harrington 03 Jun '04

03 Jun '04

Hi all, As Bob mentioned, the visit from Slashdot cratered our nightly Win32 snapshot server, and we need some help coming up with a better solution. No Inkscape experience needed, just need to be familiar with SourceForge, scripting, and compiling apps. The snapshots have proven useful in letting users test out and report on recently implemented features without having to compile it themselves. So this is a pretty highly valued service for the community. What we need going forward is a script or set of scripts that: * Checks out from CVS once a day and compiles for Win/Lin/Mac both debug and optimized. (e.g. via SF compile farm?) * If compilation is successful, post the packages to mirrors (e.g. SourceForge). * Allows users a place on the web to go to to get the latest version * Creates and provides autopackage versions (the AP folks are doing this for us currently, so this may not be necessary but is worth considering if it's not hard to do.) * Doesn't place the administrative responsibility on a single specific person * Code is checked into a subdir of inkscape_project/ * Has a README and/or wiki page explaining install & usage If you'd like to work on this or a piece of it, let me know and we can work out the details. Bryce

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pressure sensitivity
by Jonathan Chetwynd 03 Jun '04

03 Jun '04

Gimp, painter, illustrator and other graphics programs have had support for pressure sensitive tablets such as wacom for some time. However inkscape-sodipodi appear not to have. Is there a reason? thanks Jonathan Chetwynd http://www.peepo.co.uk "It's easy to use" irc://freenode/accessibility

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[Fwd: svgx.org-Open Source Graphics for the Masses]
by JonPhillips 03 Jun '04

03 Jun '04

-----Forwarded Message----- > From: michael bolger <michael@...138...> > To: JonPhillips <jon@...41...> > Subject: svgx.org-Open Source Graphics for the Masses > Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:47:41 -0700 > > Hi Jon, new post at http://www.svgx.org > > Scalable Vector Graphics > and the Open Source Community > -from osnews.com, Bryce Harrington > see; Inkscape SVG Editor and Inkscape Wiki > also; Open Clip Art Library item section; project and tools > "Open Source community is now adopting the SVG format" > > > -also will add additional "permanent" main page link in next several days. > > Cheers > Michael > -- Jon Phillips Graduate Researcher Visual Arts Department PO BOX 948667 LA JOLLA, CA 92037 USA cell.858.361.2811 jon@...87... http://www.rejon.org

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Inkscape Article
by Bryce Harrington 02 Jun '04

02 Jun '04

Here's the article about Inkscape on OS News: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7241 Bryce

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