March 2005 - Inkscape Users - Inkscape Mailman

NEW: Unsetting paint and painting clones
by bulia byak 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

New in CVS: * Unsetting paint and painting clones: Both Fill and Stroke tabs of the Fill&Stroke dialog have a new mode button, "Unset paint" (with a question mark icon). Pressing this button removes the fill or stroke property from the style of selected objects, which has the visible effect of painting them black. The usefulness of this is that clones of such an object can redefine the unset fill or stroke, which means you can have clones painted differently from their original and from each other. Just use the Fill&Stroke dialog on a clone to assign it any kind of fill or stroke paint (flat color, gradient, etc.). Moreover, you can unset paint on some of the objects in a group, clone the group, and paint the clone; only those objects with unset paint will accept the paint, while others will retain their original paint.

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Inkscape for AI users: a revert war :)
by bulia byak 15 Mar '05

15 Mar '05

Recently the wiki user Kwixson has significantly expanded and rewritten the "Inkscape for AI users" document on our wiki. Some of his edits seemed strange to me, and I proposed my variants. Unfortunately we could not reach a consensus, so after several mutual reverts we decided to post here and ask for the help and judgement from the community. The latest revision with our extensive comments is here: http://inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?IllustratorUsers Below I briefly list the things I disagree with. 0. To begin, I really appreciate the input on this document from the user who obviously knows AI well. This is some kind of expertise which I personally lack, so I would not be able to write such a document all by myself. Obviously it must be written from an AI user's point of view and use AI terminology and concepts. 1. However, Kwixson's approach seems to go further than that. He apparently wants this document to describe _only_ those things which you can do in Illustrator, and describe them exactly _the same way_ as one would do them in Illustrator, even if Inkscape offers more convenient methods. I think this is wrong. 2. With Kwixson's approach, Inkscape would always seem inferior to AI, because you can't win just by copying. You can't be a better Illustrator than Illustrator, you need to be different to be better. And indeed Kwixson's text has a generally condescending tone and phrases like "is much less responsive", "is not as intuitive" etc. We need to be honest about Inkscape's weaknesses, but these judgements were often not based on any real weaknesses. 3. After all, who is this document for? Those who like AI the way it is will never switch, so it seems stupid to target them in such a document. I think we need to target those who are used to AI but are looking for something different and better. And therefore we must stress our strengths and differences, explaining them in a way which is easy to understand for AI users. Now on to specific examples. A. Kwixson has removed my mention of keyboard accessibility, in particular keys for screen-pixel-sized transformations, claiming this is not important. I've seen this attitude before from other AI users; they tend to dismiss this because they don't have it. Those who are really using Inkscape (or Xara, where I got the idea from, though by now Inkscape's keyboard is superior even to Xara) will disagree. B. In the section on shapes, Kwixson has removed my explanation of the difference between a shape and a path and the unique features that shapes offer. Instead he inserted an advice to do Ctrl+Shift+C (convert to path) as soon as you created a shape, to be able to node-edit it! This is because AI does not have shapes as such, treating everything as paths. I think this is plain stupid. Inkscape's shapes are clearly superior to those of any other program I know, and we must present them as such. C. In the section on Node tool, Kwixson provided some very cumbersome descriptions of how to convert a segment from curve to straight line and how to continue a path. When I proposed much simpler and more straightforward ways to do the same, he insisted that his descriptions closely match the way AI does this and therefore must stay. Once again, I don't see why one should go through all this when there's a much simpler way. Disclaimer on this point: I cannot even claim to completely understand Kwixson's descriptions, so I may have missed something important in them. Please anyone who knows AI's path editing, review these paragraphs and let us know what you think. Any feedback will be appreciated. I'm crossposting this to the user list too.

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Undeliverable: I love you!
by Robert C. Smith 15 Mar '05

15 Mar '05

I didn't send this. Why is a copy of this arriving on my doorstep at <rcsthrax@...289...>? Please, someone, get your act together. Robert C. Smith On 15 Mar 2005 at 6:25, System Administrator wrote: > Your message > > To: ong@...530... > Subject: I love you! > Sent: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:27:25 +0100 > > did not reach the following recipient(s): > > ONG@...531... on Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:25:23 +0100 > The recipient name is not recognized > The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=us;a= ;p=transocean > offsh;l=SRVEX01MON0503150525FQL9NAQX > MSEXCH:IMS:Transocean Offshore Inc:SFM-MONTROUGE:SRVEX01MON 0 > (000C05A6) > Unknown Recipient > > >

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bug report, sorry: 100% CPU with text, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V
by Ralf Stephan 13 Mar '05

13 Mar '05

[Apologies for reporting here but sourceforge will not let me post with lynx-2.8.4 (can someone tell them?)---it says something like wrong filename for upload but I did not give any.] Here goes: Self-built on PPC. Start up clean. Click text, click canvas, type a few keys, then type Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V: voila 100% CPU. Chosing Paste from menu works as usual. Thanks for it all, ralf

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Conversion to pdf
by unknown＠example.com 12 Mar '05

12 Mar '05

Hello, Just discovered Inkscape and I like it. Great work. I designed a flyer and want to send it to some people so they can print the flyer. I always did this in OpenOffice.org Draw and exported the flyer as pdf, so everybody could easily open it. Now I've used Inkscape to make my flyer and want to do the same. I wanted to open the flyer in Draw and use the functionality to save it as pdf but that won't work. Alse the standard svg and eps won't work. Maybe an idea to implement in the next version of Inkscape. Export to pdf. But for now.. Is there an other way to create pdf from the flyer I created in Inkscape? I used some jpg's and text in the flyer. Thanks, Marcel --------------------------------------------- Dit bericht is verzonden via Postbakje Free. http://www.postbakje.nl/ - Gratis WebMail

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NEW: more gradient stuff
by bulia byak 12 Mar '05

12 Mar '05

Some improvements since the last announcement: - All tools that were previously able to click to select (namely node, shapes, and gradient tools), can now do Shift+click (add to selection) and Alt+click (select under) exactly as the Selector tool. - Dragging a gradient handle with Ctrl+Shift will scale the entire linear or radial gradient around its center. - Gradient handles for each gradient are connected by blue lines for fill gradient and yellow lines for stroke gradient. - In gradient tool, instead of dragging, you can double-click an object to create a new gradient centered within the object's bounding box. If you have several objects selected, or if your selected object is behind another one, you can double-click with Ctrl to create gradients on selected object(s) without changing selection. - The selected gradient handle will intercept any color/opacity setting commands and apply them to the corresponding stop(s) of its gradient(s). This means that at least two-stop gradients can be completely edited without ever opening the Gradient Editor dialog. In particular, you can use these methods to change the color of the selected handle: + Dropper tool (for example, to blend a radial gradient onto background, select its outer handle and pick the background color with the dropper). + Paste style (if the pasted style contains both fill and stroke style, the stop will take the fill style). + Fill and stroke dialog [this does not quite work yet because the dialog switches to gradient button and won't let you edit the color] - Double-clicking any gradient handle will open the Gradient Editor dialog with that handle's gradient loaded and the corresponding stop selected in the list. - Before, the actual direction of the linear gradient was not always perpendicular to the line connecting it handles if the bounding box of the object was not a square. This is now fixed, though the fix only works for new gradients that you create (i.e. gradients in old files are not affected). In other news, Richard Hughes' text layout rewrite appears to have reduced the memory consumption on a text-heavy document by about 20%, and rendering is faster by the same percentage. Hooray! :)

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RE: [Inkscape-user] Re: [Inkscape-devel] [way offtopic] terminology
by Chris W. Parker 11 Mar '05

11 Mar '05

Chris W. Parker <> on Friday, March 11, 2005 11:59 AM said: > Alan Horkan <mailto:horkana@...3...> > on Friday, March 11, 2005 11:45 AM said: > >> I suppose I got a little carried away in my enthusiams for Inkscape. > > Which is strange because he was being enthusiastic about it as well... Ok wait.. I think I got a little confused with regards to who said what. I'm straight now though. Chris. >From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Mar 11 23:38:06 2005 Message-ID: <BF5E2268AD85464FA1DDE2F055749968232E2E@...526...> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Administrateur_syst�me?= <postmaster@...525...> To: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:38:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-MS-Embedded-Report: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C526D6.6D091B2E" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Report problems to http://sf.net/tracker/?func�d&group_id=1&atid 0001 1.0 FORGED_RCVD_HELO Received: contains a forged HELO Subject: [Inkscape-user] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Non_remis�:_Re:_my_website?Sender: inkscape-user-admin(a)lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: inkscape-user-admin(a)lists.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user>, <mailto:inkscape-user-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Id: Inkscape User Community <inkscape-user.lists.sourceforge.net> List-Post: <mailto:inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net> List-Help: <mailto:inkscape-user-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user>, <mailto:inkscape-user-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=inkscape-user> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C526D6.6D091B2E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Your message To: 3dslebatard@...525... Subject: Re: my website Sent: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:47:04 +0100 did not reach the following recipient(s): 3dslebatard@...525... on Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:37:57 +0100 Le nom du destinataire n'est pas reconnu L'identificateur MTS du message original est : c=FR;a;p=Roval;l=ROVAL01050312073711P3ZXH0 MSEXCH:IMS:Roval:Flers:ROVAL01 0 (000C05A6) Destinataire inconnu ------_=_NextPart_000_01C526D6.6D091B2E Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net To: 3dslebatard@...525... Subject: Re: my website Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:47:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-MS-Embedded-Report: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C526D6.6D091B2E" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C526D6.6D091B2E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have attached your document. +++ Attachment: No Virus found +++ Bitdefender AntiVirus - www.bitdefender.com ------_=_NextPart_002_01C526D6.6D091B2E Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="VIRUS_DETECTED_AND_REMOVED_website.pif_VIRINFO.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="VIRUS_DETECTED_AND_REMOVED_website.pif_VIRINFO.TXT" 03/12/2005 08:37:57 The original attachment website.pif, contains a virus or meets the File-Blocking rules. ScanMail has took the Moved action, please see your Exchange Server administrator for details! ------_=_NextPart_002_01C526D6.6D091B2E-- ------_=_NextPart_000_01C526D6.6D091B2E--

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RE: [Inkscape-user] Re: [Inkscape-devel] [way offtopic] terminology
by Chris W. Parker 11 Mar '05

11 Mar '05

Alan Horkan <mailto:horkana@...3...> on Friday, March 11, 2005 11:45 AM said: >>> Every post we make to the mailing lists is marketing for >>> Inkscape. >> >> Chill out, man. Seriously. > > I should apologise, I guess that came across as rather harsh which > wasn't my intention. Of course people can call Inkscape anything > they like but Inkscape is a great name and I would encourage people > to keep using it. > > I suppose I got a little carried away in my enthusiams for Inkscape. Which is strange because he was being enthusiastic about it as well... I think Ink is a fine short name for Inkscape. Much less awkward than IS. That's my 2c worth. Chris.

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autopackage
by wayne 09 Mar '05

09 Mar '05

Just installed inkscape 0.41 with autopackage. When I open it, I get a message saying that one or more extensions failed to load. When I close that window, I get another message saying that Inkscape encountered an internal error and will close. In the command line, this is what appears: SCIM: im_module_init free(): invalid pointer 0x9453670! free(): invalid pointer 0x9453650! Emergency save activated! Emergency save completed. Inkscape will close now. Do I have to uninstall SCIM? How do I get around this? Thanks, Wayne Mandrake 10.1 >From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Mar 09 00:06:10 2005 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:06:21 +0200 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@...385...> Message-Id: <200503090906.j2996LNa025015@...385...> To: <inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="j2996LNa025015.1110359181/iceberg.hellug.gr" Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Report problems to http://sf.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1&atid=200001 -0.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list Subject: [Inkscape-user] Returned mail: see transcript for details Sender: inkscape-user-admin(a)lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: inkscape-user-admin(a)lists.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user>, <mailto:inkscape-user-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Id: Inkscape User Community <inkscape-user.lists.sourceforge.net> List-Post: <mailto:inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net> List-Help: <mailto:inkscape-user-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user>, <mailto:inkscape-user-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=inkscape-user> This is a MIME-encapsulated message --j2996LNa025015.1110359181/iceberg.hellug.gr Content-Type: text/plain The original message was received at Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:06:13 +0200 from AToulon-202-2-3-2.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.252.41.2] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <simos@...384...> (reason: 550 5.2.1 <simos@...384...>... Mail delivery has been disabled for this user) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to igloo.linux.gr.: >>> DATA <<< 550 5.2.1 <simos@...384...>... Mail delivery has been disabled for this user 550 5.1.1 <simos@...384...>... User unknown <<< 503 5.0.0 Need RCPT (recipient) --j2996LNa025015.1110359181/iceberg.hellug.gr Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; iceberg.hellug.gr Received-From-MTA: DNS; AToulon-202-2-3-2.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr Arrival-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:06:13 +0200 Final-Recipient: RFC822; simos@...384... Action: failed Status: 5.2.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; igloo.linux.gr Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.2.1 <simos@...384...>... Mail delivery has been disabled for this user Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:06:21 +0200 --j2996LNa025015.1110359181/iceberg.hellug.gr Content-Type: text/rfc822-headers Return-Path: <inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net> Received: from hellug.gr (AToulon-202-2-3-2.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.252.41.2]) by iceberg.hellug.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1/Debian-13) with ESMTP id j2996DNa025011 for <simos@...384...>; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:06:13 +0200 Message-Id: <200503090906.j2996DNa025011@...385...> From: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net To: simos@...384... Subject: Mail Delivery (failure simos@...384...) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:05:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0CA80.6B015D10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal --j2996LNa025015.1110359181/iceberg.hellug.gr--

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Inkscape for Adobe Illustrator users
by Brandon Blackmoor 09 Mar '05

09 Mar '05

> From: bulia byak <buliabyak@...155...> > Subject: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape for AI users: a revert war :) > > 3. After all, who is this document for? Those who like AI the > way it is will never switch, so it seems stupid to target them > in such a document. I like Adobe Illustrator. However, it is not feasible to create a cooperative open-source project (see: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CostumeShop/ ) which relies on an expensive piece of proprietary software. That is why I was initially interested in Inkscape. Now that I have become more familiar with it, I have grown to like it for its own sake. :) > A. Kwixson has removed my mention of keyboard accessibility That is an important and useful difference. It should be restored. > B. In the section on shapes, Kwixson has removed my explanation > of the difference between a shape and a path and the unique > features that shapes offer. Paths and shapes are different. Adobe Illustrator users need to know that they are different, and what makes each useful in a specific context. This explanation should be restored. > C. In the section on Node tool, Kwixson provided some very cumbersome > descriptions of how to convert a segment from curve to straight line > and how to continue a path. When I proposed much simpler and more > straightforward ways to do the same, he insisted that his descriptions > closely match the way AI does this and therefore must stay. This is stupid. The goal of this section of the document is not to slavishly mimic the procedures of Illustrator. The goal of this section of the document is to show how the Illustrator user how to achieve the same (or similar) *result* in the simplest and most straightforward way possible. -- Brandon Blackmoor bblackmoor@...477... 2005-03-09

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