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Node edit tool for multiple objects
by Stathis Sideris 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

Hello all, I think that one of the very few things that Illustrator does better in comparison to Inkscape is that fact that its node edit tool allows editing the nodes of multiple objects at the same time. I think the procedure is: select multiple objects with object select tool, switch to node select tool, select nodes from separate objects, move. I do realise that doing a "Combine" on the objects would allow me to edit their nodes in such a way, but this involves 2 extra steps (Combine/Break apart). If this functionality is added to the node edit tool, it may make sense to have a switch (checkbox) to determine whether to limit it to one object editing or multi-object editing. Or a related theme, there is no way to scale/rotate a subset of the nodes of an object in Inkscape (rather than rotating/editing the whole object). Does anyone else think that those things would be useful? Stathis

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Re: [Inkscape-user] forum?
by Valerie VK 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

Aye caramba! We're still on about this forum thing? Well... here are my two cents: Mailing list: It has the advantage of grouping everything together, but it's bad at fostering the "artistic" side because of its limited multimedia support and besides, lots of people find mailing lists to be hard to navigate. And bland. XD Wiki: I'm under the impression that wikis would not be the best for fostering an "interactive" community, but I admit I'm biased because I rarely use wikis except to find information (and not to interact with other people). Povray: I have even Less idea how Povray's community works. After the first hour spent over the manual (time needed to get how to get a sphere in Povray), I had decided that it was easier to draw people manually. XP Galleries: Opencanvas, as I've previously said, managed to get much exposure thanks to its art-based community, but this would not likely be appropriate for Inkscape. However, I think it would be nice if Open Clipart took on a more advanced gallery interface, a bit like Deviantart and co: Creative Common or not, someone who registers would be more likely to contribute if they were filling up "their" gallery (and can get feedback on top of that), and tagging would allow easing search and browsing. There could be entire downloadable "collections" too. On top of that, if it has a big "We recommend Inkscape" (or something in those lines) at the front, so much the better for Inkscape's visibility. No offense, but, I currently do not "get" Open Clipart's interface at all. XD In Deviantart and co by contrast, people browse and submit work practically without thinking. Blogs: Actually, I'd see a few advantages to a blog-based community. How many of you know how blog Communities work? Here's an example from the top of my head: http://community.livejournal.com/icon_tutorial If an Inkscape livejournal community were to be made for example, it'd present the following advantages: - it's as cohesive as mailing lists, really. You only have to check one place. - and for peple who already have their livejournal accounts, when they join, the community posts appear on their "Friends" list, so it's even more accessible to them - there are quite a number of people with their own blogs etc, so they'd be able to join "easily" - people can post questions, tutorials, thoughts and tips much like on the mailing list, albeit with a slightly nicer interface that allows images and such - either the users or a moderator would help "tag" the entries for easy future reference from the "Favorites" section or the "Tutorials (compilation)" section or the "Frequently asked questions" section, all easily accesible from the left bar - the only thing really is that unlike forums, threads can't be "bumped", but with the tagging it shouldn't be much problem. Besides, how often do "very old" topics resurface, anyway? Also, you'd have to revisit a topic to see any new comments, unless you're the one who started it. In practice though, it's not That much a hassle. - some people might also feel a certain reluctance to creating an account, but it's not much more work than signing up to a mailing list or to a forum, really. It's basically a mailing list's cohesiveness with many of a forum's presentation. I'm subscribed to both a few forums and a few livejournal communities of the similar categories, and livejournal communities (I admit, I know little of Blogspot and others) are indeed more cohesive and intimate so to say. Forums are better when the size of the community goes over the top, but blogs can be a good starter. Of course, I'm biased towards something I'm familiar with, but maybe the above explains a few things. In the future, I'd also suggest a more advanced "tutorial" section on the main page (and not just accessible through the wiki. I mean... geez). There are two things I think Inkscape does Very right in regards to documentation: 1. Include a number of tutorials on the basics in the very releases. Those are lifesavers. 2. Include screenshots. I give the Inkscape screenshots section 2 thumbs up because they're Really good at showing off Inkscape's capabilities. Where the suggested tutorial section is concerned, I'd propose advanced tutorials with a nice big-enough preview for advanced styles as well as simpler ones. Categories would include: - make a photorealistic car - make a photorealistic person - various other art styles - advanced technical blueprints (or whatever) - setting up a whole set of icons for webpage usage - the works This would be similar to what Corel Painter does, which is the great thing it does with Its documentation. Painter's documentation basically gives advanced painting tutorials by advanced artists. Inkscape may or may not have such advanced artists willing to contribute for now, but these will be good for exposure when available because when a user browses the webpage, as soon as they see these they'd go "This is what Inkscape is capable of. This is what -I- may be capable of, if I follow these tutorials." Sold! If the examples offered in the tutorials are good enough, the "wow" effect would be as nearly great as an advanced user gallery section with favourites etc. A section underneath would provide smaller tips for various effects. Anyway, those are my 2 cents. ___________________________________________________________________________________ You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html

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Students' art
by Victor Domingos 02 Jun '07

02 Jun '07

Hi! I'm sharing with you some works made in Inkscape by my students (12-13 years old), in a Portuguese school. Those were made in a computer class, not in Arts. I hope you like... :-) Victor Domingos http://lojamac.com/blog

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Re: [Inkscape-user] feature idea
by Valerie VK 02 Jun '07

02 Jun '07

It'd actually be nice to have this feature request applied: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1012134&group_id=9… In the comments section, someone made this example: http://www.yattaweb.it/wrapper-example.png It would kind of be like the node sculpting feature, but with the selector interface, instead of having you select all the nodes. It seems like a neat thing to have to me. It would make perspective transforms much more intuitive, etc, etc. > Node sculpting kind of does that, yes, but it isn't quite the same. > > Here is a link to the Blender wiki to give some idea of what I am > talking about. > Admittedly, this is 3D, but it has the gist of the idea. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather

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Re: [Inkscape-user] forum?
by Valerie VK 02 Jun '07

02 Jun '07

> I think that the mailing lists are doing an excellent job on the > techinical side, but they arent generating a users community in terms > of art particularly well. I dont think that having all the devs > reading all the forum is necessary for a forum once we start talking > about it in the context of art rather than technical support. > I think if they were done right, and kept pretty focused, then forums > could be a good way to grow the creative aspect of the community, and > could help tie together and stimulate some of the excellent work that > has been going on with the youtube screencast tutorials etc. > Very much feel they should be something that compiments the mailing > list rather than replaces, as I'd see them performing a dfferent role. > > > > That's the main reason I'd prefer the "official" Inkscape forum to be > an interface to the mailing list over other approaches, even though I > certainly do appreciate the benefits of "real" forums (e.g. being able > to post inline images as examples, more robust threading, etc.). > > > > -mental > > Hmm. If the goal is to develop an effective artistic community, then that's a whole new direction, and one that Open Source hasn't been very good at in my opinion (I view Gimp for example as a failure in terms of developing a cohesive Artistic community. If you want to find One community where there are lots of advanced Gimp artists, you just won't find that. Some Gimp artists would try to gather, but it's never been handled well in my opinion). It's true though that an active, cohesive and visible (artist) community would increase the visibility of Inkscape. Some people like to gather and discuss about their favorite programs just as much as they like using the program (just like how there are fan communities of books etc). It's not easy to obtain though. Photoshop has active communities left and right but that's because it's the industry standard, and since the community is so active (both in producing artwork and in making tutorials), it leads to More people picking it up, much like a viral effect. By contrast, Procreate Painter is also a powerful painting tool, but fewer people pick it up because most people use Photoshop and that's where all the tips and tutorials are. That said, I'm personally neutral on the issue of developing an artistic community for Inkscape. Inkscape can be used for casual art (and the online CG population happens to be quite large - see the size of Deviantart), but it's mostly (?) targeted at productive tasks such as icon or web layout creations, either for personal use or for work. And those people don't need as much of a marketing effect (at least... I don't think so?), because they might pick it up for work might pick it up just because it works fine and is free. It's productive issue. By contrast, casual artists of the Deviantart type for the example, flock towards the program that seems to give the biggest number of pretty results (even if they can't achieve them themselves XD ). If people are still curious though, here's an interesting non-forum community example I know of: a Japanese program known as Opencanvas (which, contrary to its name, is not open source). It started years ago as a free (as in "free beer") version, and subsequent versions had to be paid for, while the free one was no longer offered. Even then, however, it managed to retain a highly dedicated community. You can find it here: http://www.portalgraphics.net/en/ (English main page) http://www.portalgraphics.net/ja/ (Japanese main page, more developed) http://www.portalgraphics.net/oc/en/ (English version of the community page) No, I don't want Inkscape to mimick it (at all :S ). I just think it's an interesting case study. Opencanvas is actually a relatively simple program "that works". One interesting feature (that I don't want in Inkscape though :S ) is the "recording" of "events": basically for any finished work you can playback the whole process. Also interesting is the ability to automatically upload artworks (each process-playbackable) to its community page with just a few commands, where they can be judged and voted on. >From a user point of view: the user is curious as to the capabilities of the program, he goes to the community page, he immediately sees the "best" recent artworks made by the program, said artwork can be downloaded for the user to playback its whole drawing process. Also located on the community page are a number of art tutorials (strange, I can't find them anymore, ah well). The user says "wow" and gets the program for himself. Again, I am not advocating anything like that for Inkscape. I don't think it's possible, either. :S But it's an interesting and unconventional case study on artistic communities. Opencanvas as a result has become Very well known in Japan, and is even being adopted elsewhere. I admit, even I bought it at first (then practically never used it XD ). Oh by the way, can someone tell me just how Do you reply in a way that the message ends in the right thread in the mailing list archive? :S ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC

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Re: [Inkscape-user] forum?
by gri3f on 02 Jun '07

02 Jun '07

Valerie VK wrote: > No, I don't want Inkscape to mimick it (at all :S ). I just think it's an > interesting case study. Opencanvas is actually a relatively simple program > "that works". One interesting feature (that I don't want in Inkscape > though :S ) is the "recording" of "events": basically for any finished > work you can playback the whole process. Also interesting is the ability > to automatically upload artworks (each process-playbackable) to its > community page with just a few commands, where they can be judged and > voted on. Don't be surprised if you see event recording and playback in Inkscape someday. Mental and a few others have been building the necessary infrastructure to support this and a few other uses. Aaron Spike is this going to be something like the "action" on photoshop? where you can record series of process. and applied the same process onto different object? gri3fon ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow

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Inkscape 0.45 text dialogue
by Claus Cyrny 02 Jun '07

02 Jun '07

Hi, after selecting some text & selecting the 'text and fonts' dialogue in the menu, my newly installed Inkscape 0.45 (autopakage; Ubuntu "Breezy"; xorg) freezes. Did anyone else experience this, and is there some kind of workaround for this? I have to admit that my PC is very slow (350 MHz). TIA, Claus -- Home Page - http://home.arcor.de/ccyrny/ [in English] graf-o-matic 2.0 - http://grafomatic01.twoday.net/ [in German]

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There is a forum interface to this mailing list.
by MenTaLguY 02 Jun '07

02 Jun '07

Not to discourage all the Inkscape forums people have been starting, but since it seems to get missed a lot, there's a forum interface to this very mailing list: http://inkscape-forum.andreas-s.net/forum/8 (I posted this message using it.) -mental -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Inkscape-user Digest, Vol 12, Issue 62
by Tony Vigil 02 Jun '07

02 Jun '07

Elwin, Not exactly. You can run SwishMax just fine via CrossOver (Wine) in Linux. SwishMax is only $99.00, which is quite a bit less than the $$$ price tag for Adobe's Flash. - Tony ----- Original Message ---- From: Elwin Estle <chrysalis_reborn@...12...> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] Draw a web site using only Inkscape Yes, but isn't content creation for Flash pretty much tied to either Windows or a Mac (no linux...unless you want to jump through a buncha hoops), and the $$$ for buying Flash from Macromedia?

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Inkscape Crashing
by Aaron Elmquist 02 Jun '07

02 Jun '07

Whenever I start working with an object that contains 500+ nodes inkscape will crash and does not perform an autosave. I also experience the same issue when I do a rapid succession of undos from the keyboard. Is this a known bug? I'm running 0.45.1 on windows xp with 660 MB of memory. Generally, don't have anything else open beside Firefox.

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