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Re: [Inkscape-user] Questionnaire on Inkscape and Gimp
by ilya y. rostovtsev 13 Dec '06

13 Dec '06

> Hmmm... if his perspective really is anti-oss, well it sucks for him > that I didn't read that paragraph. I could care less when it comes to > anonymous surveys and what they use them for... so I skipped all the > "wordy" junk at the beginning and just filled it out truthfully. > > Honestly, if he is anti-OSS, I find this to be a bizarre place to ask. > It's almost like going to a church and asking people if they believe in > God or not. They're probably there for a reason. :) > > -Josh It would be more accurate to say that he went into a church, and asked people to fill out a survey that hopes to prove that there is no God. The survey is terribly written: it doesn't account for individual graphic artist work against a set team of graphical developers. I do not know of an Open-Source equivalent to Adobe bridge (which I haven't used in a multi-user environment), so I suppose a point can be made against OSS provisions for large-scale work (e.g. vector design -> color/texture providers -> layout implementation -> content management of some sort) at present. However, for single-man jobs, it has been me experience with OSS user base that they are, quite simply, more aware of extended abilities of the software toolset in their disposal than most users of "well locked up" proprietary stuff. Naturally, the preceeding argument is made about college kids doing web-design. When it comes to digital artists of highest caliber, there is no question that their experitise would be honorable regardless of which package they choose for themselves. I'm definitely interested in seeing the results of the survey, mostly due to the fact that no single good conclusion can come out of it. The "practical exercise" section of the questionaire is a complete joke that ought to take less than 30 seconds to finish INCLUDING the loading times of GIMP splash screen and initial "deep thought" phase of Inkscape. Last question: am I the only one of the opinion that most if not all OSS, graphic or not, has better documentation given out for free than most of the fancy (read: expensive) packages provide for extra dough? -ilya.

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Questionnaire on Inkscape and Gimp
by Flachland Tapir 13 Dec '06

13 Dec '06

I am trying to answer some severe critics from bryce and mental on my questionnaire: 1. For getting a larger sample size, be sure that I am posting my questionnaire not only on an Inkscape mailing list but also eg in an Adobe forum. 2. I didn't take Scribus, because its targeting mostly people active in print 3. its "just" a survey for my master thesis and it would go beyond the scope to consider all proprietary and OS packages available. 4. science is always distorted and subjective! 5. the questionnaire is only a part for verifying my thesis, I will also use other research methods for getting answers. 6. I am further using ISO 9126, the standard for software testing 7. I am not changing my hypothesis, I am changing the text on the website to sound more neutral! fltp -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze

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Questionnaire on Inkscape and Gimp
by Flachland Tapir 13 Dec '06

13 Dec '06

Hi volks, Where else should I go if not here? To find out about the professionalism of Inkscape and Gimp I have started a research project called "OpenSource graphics software in the creative media sector". It would make me happy if you spend a few moments to fill in the questionnaire. You find all you need to know at: members.kabsi.at/amiga tanks a lot fltp -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Questionnaire on Inkscape and Gimp
by Flachland Tapir 13 Dec '06

13 Dec '06

A research under a scientific aspect has to set up a hypothesis and verify it. I don't know if the answer to my hypothesis will be yes or no, so one shouldn't derive that I am for or against OS. To let you know, I am a great supporter of OS and so it came to my mind as a professional user of graphics software why programs like Inkscape and Gimp are not widely in use compared to e.g. Photoshop or Illustrator! So how would it sound to you if the hypothesis claims: "Inkscape is mature for a professional workflow, so it isn't widespread and this is because it's free"! Anyway, I am glad to get feedback!!! It is hard to stay neutral on that matter, and I'll try to rephrase my question in the survey. My opinion is that this is because the software isn't mature, what doesn't mean that I am against Open Source. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary <pajer@...1943...> > To: "Inkscape User Community" <inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] Questionnaire on Inkscape and Gimp > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:27:43 -0500 > > > Bryce Harrington wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 09:59:16PM +0100, Flachland Tapir wrote: > > > >> Hi volks, Where else should I go if not here? To find out about > >> the professionalism of Inkscape and Gimp I have started a > >> research project called "OpenSource graphics software in the > >> creative media sector". It would make me happy if you spend a > >> few moments to fill in the questionnaire. You find all you need > >> to know at: > > > > On your webpage you state the purpose of this survey is to prove: "I > > claim that the application in a professional workflow isn't mature > > compared to proprietary software used in the CMS. The effort for > > maintaining OSGS exceeds the costs & benefits you could save when using > > free software." > > > > Since your purpose is anti-Open Source, there seems little reason to > > help you. > > > That's not how I read it. He might be supportive of OS software, and is > trying to find out why its not more pervasive. In any event, wouldn't > you(we) want to know where and why our OS initiatives fall short? I > admit I'd feel more comfortable if I had some assurance that he's making > at least an attempt at being neutral. > > Bryce > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > _______________________________________________ > > Inkscape-user mailing list > > Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-user mailing list > Inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user > -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Inkscape-user] [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape site slow?
by Bryce Harrington 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 12:26:44PM -0800, John Bintz wrote: > Bryce Harrington said: > > Thanks. Next let's try upgrading apache. I notice some issues with > > non-exiting child processes, which seems weird and is probably what's > > resulting in the slowness. Should take a couple hours; I'll let you > > know when the upgrade is complete. > > I don't know much about the config for the Inkscape server, but are you > using Alternative PHP Cache along with PHP 5.1.4? I've managed to kill > APC on really busy servers in such a way that the child processes never > exit, eventually using up all of the MaxServers. I don't think we're using that cache (how would you tell?), but we do have php 5.1.4 installed. I'll try upgrading it to 5.1.8. Thanks, Bryce

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Inkscape web site still slow
by Lars Behrens 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

Hi Bryce, the Inkscape site is still or again slow/unreachable. Just wanted to let you know, as you requested. Cheerz Lars

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Inkscape site slow?
by Jasper van de Gronde 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

Is it just me or do other people also experience rediculous load times for the Inkscape site? (homepage and Wiki main page, I didn't dare go any further) With rediculous I mean something like a minute, or even several minutes.

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Boolean intersection of bitmap and vector shape?
by Richard Querin 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

Is there some way to import a bitmap into Inkscape and then trim the bitmap to match some arbitrarily drawn shape? I've tried doing a boolean 'intersection' between an imported bitmap and a closed curve object I've created to no avail. Do I have to trace the bitmap first? Any hints or tips how best to do it would be greatly appreciated. BTW, I'm experimenting with screencasting and have created a quick Inkscape screencast to try it out: ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfMDIK4uvV8)

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Re: [Inkscape-user] Mask/Clip is kinda hard to use
by Donn 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 11:17, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Paste Inside sounds like a very nice concept. Provided you can paste inside > and In Place. It was nice. Very nice. It had the superb quality of being entirely intuitive. You draw some larger shape. You select a bunch of any other stuff. You select the big shape and Paste Inside. Bang! Your stuff now lives inside the big shape - as if in a new world - like a new canvas almost! You could select the stuff inside, move-it, node-edit it, fill it, etc. Anytime you wanted stuff out, you sub-select it and Cut it. Bang! > An Outliner that lists objects and shows clipping/masking/cloning > relations would be helpful :) It would only be useful if the user-interface of mask/clip remains so hard for humans to actually use. Thanks for you other info! /d

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Re: [Inkscape-user] pattern mismatch - the reason for it
by Henning Lorenz 09 Dec '06

09 Dec '06

I discovered now the reason for the mismatch: The problem is that inkscape takes the path AND its stroke width into account when processing a tile clone, i.e. the offset of the new rows and columns is not based on the centre of the line but on the outline of it which depends on the stroke width (see attached screen shot). However, to produce a pattern which is good for a patternfill it is necessary that this process is based only on the centre of the line, i.e. the offset of the new rows and columns is independent from stroke-width. (Screenshot: thin line results in small offset, thick line results in larger offset - take the grid as a reference; to make the pattern suitable for a fill pattern each line has to be place on the grid without offset) A solution is to diminish stroke width to 0, do the tile-clone, and then adjust the stroke width to the wished value. However, the problem reoccurs when this pattern is used as a fill pattern! Even there the stroke width is taken into account! This could be easily fixed with a clipping mask. But the latter does not work with the command "objects to pattern", it results in an empty pattern. Henning On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:37:39 -0500, bulia byak wrote: > On 11/29/06, Henning Lorenz <henning.lorenz-wmbx2sCzPmCzQB+pC5nmwQ@...2053...> wrote: >> Then I changed the colour in the source, but there is a principal >> question: Is something wrong and if so, what? And why doesn't this affect >> the "pattern-pinstripes-diagonal" pattern? >> Maybe I just missed an important point in constructing patterns in >> inkscape? > > It's hard to visualize what you're talking about without a sample or > screenshot. However one thing you should be aware of is this: "Object > to pattern" creates a rectangular pattern with its sides parallel to > x/y axes. Only after that can you rotate or skew it. So if your > existing pattern is rotated or skewed, then converting it to objects > and then back to pattern will not give the same result. If you want to > edit it, first rotate the pattern so it's rectangular, convert to > objects, edit, convert to pattern, and rotate back to the original > angle.

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