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selection lists behind dialog boxes OS X
by Trevis Martin 30 Jan '05

30 Jan '05

Hi folks, First let me say what a great program inkscape is! I'm really happy to find it! Now on to the problem :-) I compiled inkscape myself according to the instructions on the wiki and it runs fine on OS X 10.3.7. I'm seeing two issues so far. The first one is the most annoying and that is on the stroke menus, when choosing style, the drop down list appears behind the box so you can't see part of it. This is even more true in areas like preferences where you cannot see the drop-down lists for things like "Dialogs On Top" in the "Windows" Tab, at all b/c it is completely concealed behind the window. Did I screw up the compile or do something wrong here? The second thing is that it seems that it refuses to save a file in .ai format. I just save it in svg anyway but when experimenting I found that it always gave an error message that file /Path/name/of/file could not be saved. Any ideas about either of those.? Patches or anything I could apply? Thanks, Trevis

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[survey] export bitmap/batch
by Alexandre Prokoudine 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

Hi, We are planning to do some redesign work on export bitmap palette and export in common. We'd like to know better how you use "export to bitmap" function, what you're missing and what is your way to do export. Basically, we see two ways of exporting: 1. Common "Export.." dialog, where file formats will be listed and option dialog will raise upon choosing of of them. 2. Current "Export to bitmap" palette for those people who do export to some bitmap file format all the time. What we need is decent descriptions (use cases) of your workflow a propos exporting. Another important thing is batch export. If you need batch exporting, please provide us information, what is the best way to do batch export in ian application like Inkscape according to your experience. Thank you in advance. Alexandre

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Text Stability
by Robert C. Smith 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

I typed a page with the same font in 3 different sizes and then deleted one of the titles. In re-doing it, I attempted to move the box which comes down from the Text at the top by clicking on the very top bar, and everything went nuts and I lost everything. I presume I should read the Help section; ...but did I do something really stupid? Robert.

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My impressions on Inkscape
by Jozsef Mak 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

As a long time Macromedia Freehand user I was curious about the latest release of Inkscape, which I have been testing for about a week. These are my observations. Inkscape's interface is so unintuitive that it almost hurts. The layout and the look and feel of the various panels and dialog boxes are awful. They lack coherence, functionality and are badly implemented. Examples: the Object properties palette is a puzzle; I expected that this would be one of the most important panels where the essential parameters of the selected object can be found and edited. I've found nothing to edit there. The font palette looks like it was borrowed from an office suite. The implementation of gradients are so weird that hard to describe. The Export Bitmap dialog box is poorly designed, the window wouldn't even close after saving files. The program lacks the tool to group panels into different panel groups. In addition, most of the features are incomplete. The new text on path is nice but, if you design a circular logo, most of the time, you would want to put text on the top and on the bottom of the circle. Can you do this in Inkscape? I couldn't figure out. Also when export text on path, it exports the path as well, which is unacceptable. Another example: the implementation of patterns. It is nice to have it but it is basic to have the tool to edit it after applied to a shape (moving, scaling and so on). Without this the feature has limited use. I also couldn't rename pattens but stuck with the generic names. I missed the preset zoom settings at the left bottom corner, as well. A word on priorities. In my view adding features should proceed from the most essential toward the less important. At the hart of a vector drawing program one expect to find tools, such as swatches, gradients, tints and pattern palettes and the capacity to to export and import them from one document to the other. Symbols are also essential to work efficiently. Until they are implemented pointless adding less commonly used ones like bitmap tracing, for instance. Any graphic artist can tell that this is a relatively seldom used tool in the actual work environment. By the way, I liked the Tracing Bitmap tool. What impressed me in Inkscape is the ingenious and interactive ways it allows to edit shapes. Also the fact that I could stroke path with gradient without first expanding it. I found great that I could export a selection rather than the entire ardboard; this feature dearly missed even in adobe illustrator. I also liked the options on the upper menu bar. This helps setting parameters effortlessly and it eliminates the need of dealing with additional dialog boxes which are always nuisances. I liked the layers and the fact that they are collapsible�-one more thing less cluttering the work environment. Would be nice if I could move object from one layer to the other with a click of a mouse. My conclusion: before adding additional features polish up and complete the existing ones. Also before go on adding more tools implement the fundamentals (swatches, tints, gradients, patterns, symbols and so on) and redo the interface from scratch. jozsefmak

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loading large files
by MenTaLguY 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

I've finally had an opportunity to spend some time analyzing the problem you had loading that large SVG. Your file did eventually load, although I think it may have taken as much as half an hour to do so on my machine. In Inkscape, sibling XML nodes are currently kept in singly-linked lists, which are not an efficient data structure when dealing with large numbers of siblings (in this case, more than 87000). It is possible to use faster data structures, but they would come at the cost of using extra memory. As it was, once the document loaded my machine ran out of memory when the renderer kicked in. So, I'm not really sure what the best course of action would be. I do think we have a problem dealing with large documents in general. I am CCing the development list for their suggestions. -mental

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Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re: [Inkscape-user] loading large files
by unknown＠example.com 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

Hi, Thanks very much for looking into this further. I re-emerged inkscape and tried loading the file again but, I'm afraid, gave up after 12 minutes or so. <snip> > > Your file did eventually load, although I think it may have taken as > > > much as half an hour to do so on my machine. > > > > Wow, it was under 2 minutes on mine :) (I'm speaking about > > 1236745up.svg, is this what you tried?) > > Yep. I was also starting to swap a bit towards the end, which may have > contributed. > > Mine didn't get to the point of swapping, instead (watching top) I see that it rapidly uses up 55.5% or so of memory and then stops using any more (at least until I killed it). What machines you are running on? Mine is a 1700MHz Pentium M, 512Mb ram. <snip> > > Just FYI, Batik ran out of memory on that document, and Adobe never > > loaded it either (maybe it would if I waited long enough, but I doubt > > that). So Inkscape was the only software capable of loading and even > > editing it. > > Yes, Batik failed for me as well. I didn't have Adobe handy. > > w.r.t singly-linked-lists, does Sodipodi store these structures differently? Sodipodi opens this file in about 30 seconds on my machine. However, both sodipodi and my colleague's copy of Adobe, which also loads the file, seem to chop off the image (which is very wide) at its left and right extents - so perhaps they don't really load the whole file. Perhaps I'm just asking too much & should make my files smaller? Thanks again, gav. P.S. Incidentally, Adobe has a nice feature - a progress bar while it's loading... ___________________________________________________________ Book yourself something to look forward to in 2005. Cheap flights - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/flights/ Bargain holidays - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/holidays/

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Head's up on 0.41 release
by Bryce Harrington 27 Jan '05

27 Jan '05

Hi guys, This is just an fyi that we're entering the run-up to the 0.41 release today, and have entered feature-freeze mode. I guestimate we'll have the official 0.41 release out in about 10 days. Meantime, this would be an opportune time to be downloading and testing the nightly snapshots. We'll probably be announcing release candidates starting in a week or so. At this point we're looking for crash bugs, data loss, and build failures, that have not yet been reported. 0.41 is primarily a bug fix release; there's a few new features but no major changes. The main motivation for this release is that 0.42 is going to have major changes going in, and want to get a good stable release out before we delve into this work. Bryce

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Re: German Tutorials
by Robin Pfeifer 26 Jan '05

26 Jan '05

Ted Gould: > I don't know what you schedule looks like, but we're probably going to > have a release in the next week or two, so if you hurry we could > probably get a few into this release. Bryce Harrington: > Yes, that'd be a great addition. Translation of the tutorials should be > straightforward, but please ask questions if you run into any trouble. Thanks for the welcome. I doubt that I can be *that* fast, though. Especially as I keep running into a strange problem I haven't yet found a solution for (and it appears not to be in the list of known bugs either). I have started out by taking the basic tutorial, copying it, and replacing the English paragraphs one at a time with German ones. In order to keep the formatting (bold face for keys to be pressed) I have tried to write my text around the bold parts so I could simply re-use them, but in some cases I have had to do that formatting myself in the XML editor, and that's my first encounter with direct XML formatting ever (there's a really loud and pleading, almost whining FEATURE REQUEST coming up here: decent text formatting!). Anyway, here's the problem: maybe I have done something wrong during my dabbling with the editor, but now whenever I write or delete something in those paragraphs, the amount of used RAM is stepped up by as much as 2 MB per keystroke. Add a letter, +2MB. Delete it again, +2 MB. That goes un until most free RAM is used (some 205 MB of 218 MB free RAM), then the same goes on in swap, 2 MB at a time, until both RAM and swap are full. After which the hard disk unsurprisingly begins to work like hell, the system becomes unresponsive and after a quarter of an hour or so, during which the system only staggeringly accepts mouse movement and the clock only counts every ten seconds or even more rarely, Inkscape disappears. I can work around this problem by saving and closing before RAM and swap are full, then closing Inkscape and opening it again. RAM won't be freed unless I close the program. That way I'm unable to edit more than a paragraph, most of the time even less, before I have to restart the program. I haven't been able to get the same error in a fresh file, even with using the XML editor and entering substantially more text than I've already translated. It doesn't appear in a Tutorial file I start editing anew, at least not immediately (though I haven't tried to get as far as I got with my first file), but it does get inherited if I copy the paragraphs I've already done over into a new file. If anyone is interested in taking a look at that file I can send out the unfinished translation file by e-mail. And then there's one other thing I've found out so far: using ` to cycle through zoom views does not work with a German keyboard layout, as you need the Shift key to even get this symbol (the Shift-less symbol on the same key is '). These symbols are used to make accented letters (é, è) unless the so-called 'dead keys' are disabled, but even then it seems you can't use them for cycling through zoom settings; at least I can't. Robin

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German Tutorials
by Robin Pfeifer 25 Jan '05

25 Jan '05

Hi, I'm Robin, new on the list as of today. I'm German, and I really like Inkscape. In a German Linux forum I saw a post this morning asking for German versions of the Inkscape tutorials, and it appears there are none - at least none that I could find. So if there are no objections, I'd like to do those translations myself, and of course make them available to the public, as a way of repaying the inkscape community for providing such a valuable program. Robin >From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Jan 24 13:20:10 2005 Message-ID: <1106601585.41f566719bc05@...32...> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:19:45 -0500 From: mental@...438... To: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] Hi, I'm a beginner References: <200501222208.01955.valc@...389...> <200501242145.08964.valc@...389...> <41F40914.50107@...355...> <200501251421.22668.valc@...389...> In-Reply-To: <200501251421.22668.valc@...389...> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 208.20.220.69 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p7 at rydia.net X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Report problems to http://sf.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=1&atid=200001 0.2 NO_REAL_NAME From: does not include a real name Sender: inkscape-user-admin(a)lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: inkscape-user-admin(a)lists.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: inkscape-user(a)lists.sourceforge.net List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user>, <mailto:inkscape-user-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Id: Inkscape User Community <inkscape-user.lists.sourceforge.net> List-Post: <mailto:inkscape-user@lists.sourceforge.net> List-Help: <mailto:inkscape-user-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user>, <mailto:inkscape-user-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=inkscape-user> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoting Valentin Cristescu <valc@...389...>: > Thank you, it's ok now. The XML Editor still doesn't work, but I don't kn= ow > if I need him. It's to technical for me. What is the problem with the XML editor? > So, the tab advise it's working. Right now I have one question: where can= I > find the wireframe view? It's not been implemented yet. -mental

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OSDL Desktop Linux Capabilities
by Bryce Harrington 25 Jan '05

25 Jan '05

For those interested in desktop linux in general, OSDL put out a first public draft (v0.9)of its DTL Capabilities document, for community review and comment. http://osdl.org/lab_activities/desktop_linux/DTL09/ Please feel free to send comment through myself or the mailing list on that page. (List subscription info is at lists.osdl.org.) Bryce

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