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Re: [Inkscape-translator] Forking Inkscape on gitlab to work on translations
by Maren Hachmann 26 Aug '18

26 Aug '18

Hi Yaron, I've joined Zanata as moini, and already had a little look around. It's really awfully slow (on their servers, don't know what it would be like on a local machine)! I was surprised to see they need to use alicdn... (for their alpha editor). UI is a bit non-intuitive. But I'd still like to see what settings one can make. Can you add me so I can look around? As for weblate, I've had a closer look at their hosted version, and asked for explanations of what hosting means. Michal, the author, explained to me that, currently, for the hosted version, there is no admin access to the project at all, so I doubt it would be something we could use for our various translation files, branches, settings... and our translators who would like to have a little more control over what gets in and what doesn't. Locally, the amount of options is overwhelming, I still need some time to look into it. As we now have the help of a person who might be willing to help us set these things up (someone who does ansible and can make it work) plus our own servers, self-hosting appears to be an option that is within reach... Don't know what others think at all, I haven't gotten any feedback about it yet. Kind Regards, Maren > > Am 25.07.2018 um 21:47 schrieb Yaron Shahrabani: > > Yeah, I wasn't super thrilled about crowdin but they have a nice git > > integration, the problem is that they are limiting the number of > strings > > for free projects so I gave up. > > > > I'm now experimenting with Zanata, I've uploaded Hebrew and German to > > the same project (I can give you permissions) with 3 versions (0.91, > > 0,92 and master), the infrastructure is pretty cool and not very > > automatic, no git integration and pretty slow (much slower than > weblate) > > but it's open source and funded by Fedora. > > - Aha, that sounds interesting. Yes, it would be cool if I could take a > look. > > https://translate.zanata.org/project/view/inkscape/versions?dswid=321 > > Join and give me your username, I'll add you to it. > > > > Is there any git integration planned? I see there's a script for it in > their official repos: > https://github.com/zanata/repo-sync > > Not sure it's the best implementation but we can include it in the git > repo and it'll probably work for us. > > > > > Do you know what would be needed to make it work, and what it would > do?... > > I'm not really sure but I can contact the engineers. > > > As you've seen both Weblate and Zanata, what would you say, how do they > compare feature-wise? > > Weblate is still much better :) > > We should probably try and see if there's a way to make it look more > appealing to you because the hosted solution is very good. >

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FAQ: Item about preserving colors updated
by Maren Hachmann 22 Aug '18

22 Aug '18

Hi translators, I've just updated (that is, mostly rewritten) the FAQ item about how to preserve colors for future use (Marc had fixed a directory for Ubuntu, but we already have a better explanation for that in another part of the FAQ, and some important info was missing anyway). https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#how-create-custom-palettes-and-how-save-… Can you help port that update to your language? Hope you're all doing fine, thank you for your help, Maren

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Website: Updates to 'Around the Internet' page
by Maren Hachmann 18 Aug '18

18 Aug '18

Hi there, Brynn has checked the 'Inkscape Around the Internet' page for dead links, and found a couple of things that needed an update: 1. Multiple-Artist Collections > Wikimedia Commons - Category:Created with Inkscape: Link and text changed 2. Multiple-Artist Collections > Museum of Sodipodi and Inkscape About Screens is now a link to About screens on the Inkscape website. 3. A dead link (search for 'nojhan') has been removed. 4. The linke about nautical flags has been updated. (the page requires updates in French, Portuguese and Brazilian Portuguese. @Finlay: German is ready. It has no other translations.) I hope I'm going to be able to start on paving the way for easier translation of the Inkscape program, and everything that relies on po files, during the Hackfest :) @Yaron: I didn't forget, just didn't have the time to look into Xanata yet. I will! (hopefully next week) Kind Regards, Maren

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Website: FAQ and Report Bugs updated
by Maren Hachmann 08 Aug '18

08 Aug '18

Hi again, website translators! Today, I'm asking for your help with translation of the following changed pages: 1. New FAQ item added: How to reset user preferences (Item 19 in the How-To questions section: https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#how-reset-user-preferences ) 2. The Report Bugs page has been completely rewritten: https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/report-bugs/ #1 is a quick thing, #2 is quite a large chunk. Thank you everyone! @Finlay Thank you for your help with the news item! I did a quick review yesterday, good work! As I'm probably not able to do any translating until end of September, it would be a big help if you could look at the above ones, too. It's not urgent, though. Kind Regards + Happy Translating, Maren

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Website: New News about next Hackfest
by Maren Hachmann 03 Aug '18

03 Aug '18

Hi there, translators, there will be a Hackfest coming to my city in September - I'm quite a bit excited about it :) Here's a news article about it: https://inkscape.org/en/news/2018/08/01/inkscape-hackfest-germany/ Could you help us by translating to your language? @Finlay Do you think you can find the time for helping me with it? I've got a lot on my mind currently and could use your help, if you aren't on holidays :) Thank you, everyone! I'm hoping to use the Hackfest time for setting up some better translation infrastructure (not for the website cms, that can't be helped, but for the po file based translations) and for preparing release notes, and maybe improving on the Getting started guide... let's see how that works out, it sounds like it could become too much, depending on any unexpected hurdles, and any organizational stuff that comes up :) If there's any of the translators who would like to join us - remotely or locally, or perhaps just some of the time, it would be good to have testers for the new system, perhaps, and to get some of the more neglected translations up to a higher percentage. I see Victor has already started to help with that, and there has been some movement with Italian, too, which is very good :) Kind Regards, Maren

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pt_BR.po file translated
by Victor Westmann 02 Aug '18

02 Aug '18

The file for Brazilian Portuguese (pt_BR.po) is available through my Mega Upload account. Please see this link (https://mega.nz/#F!M1gQnIQZ!g6UDlPD4jnunTjMe3rhs2A) I tried to upload the file in the attachments but couldn't. Is there another way I can send this back to the project to be incorporated in time for 0.92.4 release? Thanks. --Victor Westmann

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Untranslatable strings in UI
by Qian Cai 01 Aug '18

01 Aug '18

I compiled the latest Inkscape from gitlab and found the sub-strings under both Filters and Extensions menus are still English even though the po files have those strings translated in FR, DE and zh_CN. Any ideas? Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [Inkscape-translator] Forking Inkscape on gitlab to work on translations
by Maren Hachmann 28 Jul '18

28 Jul '18

Am 25.07.2018 um 21:47 schrieb Yaron Shahrabani: > Yeah, I wasn't super thrilled about crowdin but they have a nice git > integration, the problem is that they are limiting the number of strings > for free projects so I gave up. > > I'm now experimenting with Zanata, I've uploaded Hebrew and German to > the same project (I can give you permissions) with 3 versions (0.91, > 0,92 and master), the infrastructure is pretty cool and not very > automatic, no git integration and pretty slow (much slower than weblate) > but it's open source and funded by Fedora. - Aha, that sounds interesting. Yes, it would be cool if I could take a look. Is there any git integration planned? I see there's a script for it in their official repos: https://github.com/zanata/repo-sync Do you know what would be needed to make it work, and what it would do?... As you've seen both Weblate and Zanata, what would you say, how do they compare feature-wise? Maren > The other options are Transifex etc., I can't think of any other worthy > project for this task… > > Kind regards, > YaronShahrabani > > <DevOps - Hebrew translator> > > > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:28 PM Maren Hachmann <maren@...325... > <mailto:maren@...325...>> wrote: > > Hi Yaron, > > welcome back! > > And thanks for exploring Crowdin. > > What do you see as their advantages? > I've taken a look at their website, and all I could find was a > proprietary, hosted program, with free plans for open source projects on > request :-( > > They don't appear to be open source, as far as I could find. > > This looks like it could be a quick-set-up option for interim solutions > for small teams outside of the official Inkscape project, but if it's > meant to be official, it would need to be open source. > > Have you also had a look at other translation web interfaces recently? > It's hard to stay up-to-date, we need more eyes :) > > This is what I found out about Weblate: > > I must admit that the first setup is pretty slow. Filling the database > took 20 minutes for 6 languages out of 90, then I had to break off, it > was getting too late, will try again another day, and maybe not with the > full Inkscape repo, but with inkscape-docs. > > They added a lot of control options and also translation memory and > multiple machine translation options since I last had a look. > The translation interface could be more straightforward (the menus - and > especially getting back to where I came from - were confusing). > The functionality seems to be just fine. > It allows discussions, comments, screenshot uploads (you told me about > that previously, but I couldn't take a look then). > Will need to do some more testing when I get my Hackfest Laptop from > Tuxedo (they are going to lend it to me for that time, and are a sponsor > of Kielux). > > Do you have any other systems to suggest for testing? > > Maren > > > > Am 25.07.2018 um 09:55 schrieb Yaron Shahrabani: > > Hey there, I'm sorry I faded away, I got really hooked up at work. > > > > Anyways, I've tried implementing Crowdin, less overhead, can be easily > > managed (as long as we have only a file or 2), returns back to > > repository, if there are scripts that manage your current Github repo > > (syncing etc.) I can probably use it to create my own setup and > connect > > it to Crowdin, I've tried it before with Gitlab but it was too > much code > > and the repository was closed. > > > > We can play around with my repository and if it works we'll move > it over > > to your repository, I can take ownership if needed, I'm already > doing it > > for several different projects. > > YaronShahrabani > > > > <DevOps - Hebrew translator> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 4:02 AM Maren Hachmann > <maren@...325... <mailto:maren@...325...> > > <mailto:maren@...325... <mailto:maren@...325...>>> > wrote: > > > > Am 23.07.2018 um 19:35 schrieb Bryce Harrington: > > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 06:17:34PM +0200, Firas Hanife wrote: > > >> Hello, > > >> > > >> I'm the current Italian translator for Inkscape. In the last > > years I worked > > >> alone on the translations, but now I have been contacted by > some > > users that > > >> would like to contribute to the translation work. > > >> > > >> I created a fork on gitlab for Inkscape: > > >> https://gitlab.com/FirasH/inkscape > > >> > > >> and for Inkscape documentation: > > >> https://gitlab.com/FirasH/documentation > > >> > > >> but I don't know how to configure my fork to do the following: > > >> 1) keep it up to date with master and 0.92.x except for the > > translation > > >> files > > >> > > >> I added the original repo as mirrored, but as soon as I > push a commit > > >> request I get an error due to mismatch between my fork and the > > original one > > >> (mirrored). > > > > > > Do your work on a branch off your forked version, and that > should > > avoid > > > that I think. Setting it up as a mirror should work ok; > I've done > > this > > > in other projects. > > > > > > However, I don't think this is a typical workflow that > translators > > use, > > > so hopefully they can share some other approaches that might > work > > better > > > for you. For code development, many people craft their > branch off the > > > main Inkscape repo rather than off their own mirror; this > tends to be > > > simpler to set up, and (I think?) easier to send merge > requests from. > > > But again the translation team can probably give you more > practical > > > advice for your particular need. > > > > Hi Firas, > > > > great that you found some support for helping with Italian > (does it have > > to do with someone from the English Inkscape forums asking on the > > Italian Inkscape forums? I remember suggesting it, but haven't > heard if > > there were any reactions.)! > > > > For German, we have an even more manual setup, see > > https://github.com/Ede123/inkscape-localization . The > repository only > > contains our own po files and not much else - that's why it also > > requires a lot of manual work. > > > > I think one of the reasons for having it in a separate repo > was that > > then we can discuss (in German) without annoying devs with it > (they > > probably already get a headache from all my posts...). > > > > Some time ago, Yaron suggested using Weblate, but then we were > in need > > of someone who would want to be responsible, and discussion > subsided. As > > it's django-based, I was just playing around with it a bit > this evening > > locally. It seems a bit slow, from their demo page (and > locally, too), > > but I'll play with it a bit more. Maybe we can some day set up an > > instance of it on one of the virtual hosts on cloudscale, and > have it > > automatically push translation changes to a branch on gitlab. > > > > Maren > > > > > > > > > Bryce > > > > > >> 2) keep the "names" of the people who contributed to my fork in > > the commits > > >> (that I will review, then create a merge request) > > >> > > >> Thanks in advance, > > >> Firas > > > > > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Inkscape-translator mailing list > > >> Inkscape-translator(a)lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:Inkscape-translator@lists.sourceforge.net> > > <mailto:Inkscape-translator@lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:Inkscape-translator@lists.sourceforge.net>> > > >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-translator > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Inkscape-translator mailing list > > > Inkscape-translator(a)lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:Inkscape-translator@lists.sourceforge.net> > > <mailto:Inkscape-translator@lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:Inkscape-translator@lists.sourceforge.net>> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-translator > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > Inkscape-translator mailing list > > Inkscape-translator(a)lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:Inkscape-translator@lists.sourceforge.net> > > <mailto:Inkscape-translator@lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:Inkscape-translator@lists.sourceforge.net>> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-translator > > >

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Translate in zh_CN
by Qian Cai 25 Jul '18

25 Jul '18

Hi there, I’d like to translate in zh_CN. I have already requested a membership for the team, Username: qian Email: qian@...411... I used to be a translator for Gimp. Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [Inkscape-translator] Forking Inkscape on gitlab to work on translations
by Maren Hachmann 25 Jul '18

25 Jul '18

Hi Yaron, welcome back! And thanks for exploring Crowdin. What do you see as their advantages? I've taken a look at their website, and all I could find was a proprietary, hosted program, with free plans for open source projects on request :-( They don't appear to be open source, as far as I could find. This looks like it could be a quick-set-up option for interim solutions for small teams outside of the official Inkscape project, but if it's meant to be official, it would need to be open source. Have you also had a look at other translation web interfaces recently? It's hard to stay up-to-date, we need more eyes :) This is what I found out about Weblate: I must admit that the first setup is pretty slow. Filling the database took 20 minutes for 6 languages out of 90, then I had to break off, it was getting too late, will try again another day, and maybe not with the full Inkscape repo, but with inkscape-docs. They added a lot of control options and also translation memory and multiple machine translation options since I last had a look. The translation interface could be more straightforward (the menus - and especially getting back to where I came from - were confusing). The functionality seems to be just fine. It allows discussions, comments, screenshot uploads (you told me about that previously, but I couldn't take a look then). Will need to do some more testing when I get my Hackfest Laptop from Tuxedo (they are going to lend it to me for that time, and are a sponsor of Kielux). Do you have any other systems to suggest for testing? Maren Am 25.07.2018 um 09:55 schrieb Yaron Shahrabani: > Hey there, I'm sorry I faded away, I got really hooked up at work. > > Anyways, I've tried implementing Crowdin, less overhead, can be easily > managed (as long as we have only a file or 2), returns back to > repository, if there are scripts that manage your current Github repo > (syncing etc.) I can probably use it to create my own setup and connect > it to Crowdin, I've tried it before with Gitlab but it was too much code > and the repository was closed. > > We can play around with my repository and if it works we'll move it over > to your repository, I can take ownership if needed, I'm already doing it > for several different projects. > YaronShahrabani > > <DevOps - Hebrew translator> > > > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 4:02 AM Maren Hachmann <maren@...325... > <mailto:maren@...325...>> wrote: > > Am 23.07.2018 um 19:35 schrieb Bryce Harrington: > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 06:17:34PM +0200, Firas Hanife wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> I'm the current Italian translator for Inkscape. In the last > years I worked > >> alone on the translations, but now I have been contacted by some > users that > >> would like to contribute to the translation work. > >> > >> I created a fork on gitlab for Inkscape: > >> https://gitlab.com/FirasH/inkscape > >> > >> and for Inkscape documentation: > >> https://gitlab.com/FirasH/documentation > >> > >> but I don't know how to configure my fork to do the following: > >> 1) keep it up to date with master and 0.92.x except for the > translation > >> files > >> > >> I added the original repo as mirrored, but as soon as I push a commit > >> request I get an error due to mismatch between my fork and the > original one > >> (mirrored). > > > > Do your work on a branch off your forked version, and that should > avoid > > that I think. Setting it up as a mirror should work ok; I've done > this > > in other projects. > > > > However, I don't think this is a typical workflow that translators > use, > > so hopefully they can share some other approaches that might work > better > > for you. For code development, many people craft their branch off the > > main Inkscape repo rather than off their own mirror; this tends to be > > simpler to set up, and (I think?) easier to send merge requests from. > > But again the translation team can probably give you more practical > > advice for your particular need. > > Hi Firas, > > great that you found some support for helping with Italian (does it have > to do with someone from the English Inkscape forums asking on the > Italian Inkscape forums? I remember suggesting it, but haven't heard if > there were any reactions.)! > > For German, we have an even more manual setup, see > https://github.com/Ede123/inkscape-localization . The repository only > contains our own po files and not much else - that's why it also > requires a lot of manual work. > > I think one of the reasons for having it in a separate repo was that > then we can discuss (in German) without annoying devs with it (they > probably already get a headache from all my posts...). > > Some time ago, Yaron suggested using Weblate, but then we were in need > of someone who would want to be responsible, and discussion subsided. As > it's django-based, I was just playing around with it a bit this evening > locally. It seems a bit slow, from their demo page (and locally, too), > but I'll play with it a bit more. Maybe we can some day set up an > instance of it on one of the virtual hosts on cloudscale, and have it > automatically push translation changes to a branch on gitlab. > > Maren > > > > > Bryce > > > >> 2) keep the "names" of the people who contributed to my fork in > the commits > >> (that I will review, then create a merge request) > >> > >> Thanks in advance, > >> Firas > > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Inkscape-translator mailing list > >> Inkscape-translator(a)lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:Inkscape-translator@lists.sourceforge.net> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-translator > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > Inkscape-translator mailing list > > Inkscape-translator(a)lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:Inkscape-translator@lists.sourceforge.net> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-translator > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-translator mailing list > Inkscape-translator(a)lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:Inkscape-translator@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-translator >

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